Morning Reads – Thursday, December 3, 2015

Our thoughts and prayers are with the families affected by the tragedy in San Bernardino.

Peaches

Jimmy Carter

Sweet Tea

Liberty Drum

43 comments

  1. saltycracker says:

    Deal gets one right:

    What better way to fundamentally change a country than open it’s borders while incapable/unwilling to enforce laws violated by domestic and foreign peoples. And then pile on by providing financially unsustainable benefit programs……

    When the union leaders for a government entity, the border patrol, express real concern for the “loopholes”………

    • benevolus says:

      OK fine. We don’t let the refugees in. But that’s only half of the equation. What do we do instead? Do we just turn our backs and say “not our problem”? Conservatives always want us to be THE world leader, but that’s not leadership. We need a plan.

      • saltycracker says:

        The Feds must do the job they are unwilling to do. It is not a conservative position but an American one. We should extend humanitarian efforts outside the overwhelmed gates until we can keep entry under control. And understand that political correctness can be a Trojan Horse for barbarians.

        • John Konop says:

          You are right, we have politicians playing political games over a very serious issue. This cannot be about right or left…..it has to be about what is best for America.

    • D_in_ATL says:

      Considering the reckless manner in which concealed permits are handed out to any Dirty Harry wannabe who wants one the likelihood of more people being killed in ‘friendly fire’ is greater. Make it so that training is mandatory and that the holders are bonded and insured….then maybe….maybe…you might have a legitimate argument.

      • gcp says:

        Do we have any “friendly fire” incidents involving someone with a carry permit here in Ga. or anywhere? I have not heard of any such incidents.

            • Noway says:

              LOL! You never did answer my hypothetical question. You just went sputtering on about Dirty Harry, insurance and bonding and training. Calm down and find a way to get on with your next point on gun control. We’ll wait.

            • John Konop says:

              D,

              In fairness most of the massive shooting issues have to do with lack of proper treatment for mental health. The problem is most Americans do not think of mental health issues like the same as breaking your leg, stroke…..Instead we treat it like a criminal issue and or the get tough speech…If a person broke their leg we would not say just tough it out….Most of the shootings we knew in advance the person had major issues…our prison system has become the largest facility treating mental health in the country. We need to totally re-think how we deal with issues like the war on drugs, mental health…..It needs to be dealt with like a health issue…..If we know someone is at risk with dangerous mental health issues, we need to make sure they are on their meds or in a facility. If someone has a drug addiction treatment at a reasonable cost verse incarceration and scarlet letter drug conviction. Not only would it cost less, it is the right thing to do….just my 2 cents….

              • D_in_ATL says:

                Yeah, well….you obviously have some ‘agenda’ so why should I bother to discuss this with you….even though this is a forum to discuss these things.

                jk

                I agree with all that. Not what I was talking about though. My point, contrary to the delusions of what others here may think, is that if you desire to obtain a CC permit than it should be required, for the safety of your fellow citizens, that you show your competent and responsible enough to earn that privilege.

                • seenbetrdayz says:

                  Actually it’s a right, not a privilege. People don’t typically have to show others that they’ve ‘earned’ their rights.

                  • D_in_ATL says:

                    Ok sure. It’s a right. Show me one right as a US citizen that doesn’t require responsibility. That’s my point.

                    • seenbetrdayz says:

                      I still don’t know why anyone should have to prove anything to anyone as a prerequisite for a enjoying a right. Americans used to consider these things innate.

                      If someone demonstrates that they have abused their right to harm others, sure, take it away. But until then let’s give them the benefit of the doubt.

                      My biggest fear for what you suggest is that eventually you end up with California style gun ownership. Very few people in that state other than politicians find it easy to get a CCW permit. It’s a de facto ban on CCW.

                      As for bonding/insuring, it’s a double-edged sword. If I know I am insured, would I be more likely to pull my gun? As it is, restraint comes in the form of knowing that people such as yourself might be serving on the jury if ever I pulled my gun in haste, with events leading up to a court trial. In other words, I’d have to convince myself that it was absolutely necessary to pull my firearm if I thought the consequences meant I’d be faced with the possibility of jail-time.

                      But, if I’m insured, meh, we’re good. Just put it on my tab.

                    • seenbetrdayz says:

                      “If someone demonstrates that they have abused their right to harm others”

                      I could have worded that differently. Hopefully y’all can figure it out since we have no edit feature.

          • benevolus says:

            Despite the fact that it’s easy to get a permit here, and you can carry almost anywhere, apparently it is very rare for a permit holder to be at a place and time where a crime is being committed, or at least be willing to pull the trigger.

            There’s been a few cases where a property owner shot someone breaking in, but a street crime? Very rare for any civilian to intervene with deadly force I would think.

            In other words, you can’t blame the lack of vigilante intervention on the law. Something else is keeping people from shooting at criminals, even if it’s only lack of opportunity.

        • Will Durant says:

          We have no idea how many concealed carry permitted individuals have used their weapons illegally or otherwise in Georgia. Legally the law enforcement agencies are not allowed to release that information so there is really no way to track “friendly fire” or otherwise. It was reported at the time in a drunken Waffle House firefight that both the killer of a Griffin policeman and the policeman’s brother who rightfully shot the killer both held CCPs. I haven’t read any followups to that incident.

          • Noway says:

            Ok, Will, that may have been the case. I didn’t see it but let’s say you’re correct. Score one instance for a CCP holder going bad. But does the idea of having more of our fellow citizens being armed have any merit in potentially stopping someone from breaking bad like yesterday or back at VA Tech? Is there any logic to that? My view, of course, is yes. What say you?

            • Will Durant says:

              We can only score it as one instance because the information was anecdotal from a relative of the killer. Don’t you get it? We only hear about the CCP as good guys incidents because those are the only ones publicized. Usually by NRA and gun toter advocates. Law enforcement is not allowed to share their lists, even with each other, much less the press.

              You mean what if a CCP holder decided to carry a weapon capable of chambering high velocity armor-piercing rounds and still be concealed to a Christmas party for the developmentally disabled? Oh, and this ammo can only be fired when you are assured that no good guys are behind the culprits or even behind walls.

              Or what if failing that sort of ammo they were a crack shot and able to get off two Schwarzenegger-like rounds through the eyes of the culprits while under fire themselves from semi-automatic carbines?

              Or what if the legally purchased firearms used by the perps had been single-shot weapons capable of being used in an 18th century militia? Would the body count be so high?

              • gcp says:

                Murder and carry permits are separate issues. One can possess a permit and commit a murder but without carry permits you deny law abiding citizens the right to carry and the right to stop a crime such as the Smyrna incident.

                Also note the vast majority of criminals don’t possess gun permits.

    • Noway says:

      Hey, Bern, your idol, Obama, just sent his prayers to the people involved. Is that something to be derided by you, too?

      • benevolus says:

        The prayers aren’t the problem dude. It’s the lack of anything else besides prayers. (I can’t believe I am having to say this.)
        Obama did at least offer a specific proposal: If you are on a no-fly-list, you should also be on a no-gun-list.

  2. BriscoeDarlin says:

    Drop junior off at daycare? Check. AK’s? Check. Body armor? Check. IED’s? Check. Go-pro cameras? Check. Workplace violence? Give me a break.

  3. Noway says:

    You know, this has been a very stressful couple of days. America is under attack. Our innocent civilians are being butchered by radical animals and what does Loretta Lynch see fit to do? Um, she holds a press conference and says she’s charging people for paying bribes in FIFA World Cup soccer!? Excuse me but who gives a sh*t today or any day really that a bunch of soccer officials are bribing folks??! Jeez Manneez!! Where does the US Justice Dept have jurisdiction over this? How many taxpayer dollars are being sucked down the rat hole for this crap??? Folks at Fan Duel better be freaking careful!! What a colassal waste!

  4. saltycracker says:

    Folks have jumped to a lot of early opinions on San Bernadino. Now the tide is moving to something homeland Security doesn’t want to face. Homegrown Muslim extremists, pissed at a Jewish co-worker. Husband and wife were not exactly in stealth mode. We will see what tomorrow brings.

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