Morning Reads — Thursday, January 15, 2015

On this date in 1967, The first NFL Super Bowl was played. The Green Bay Packers defeated the Kansas City Chiefs 35-10.


Jimmy Carter

Sweet Tea

Liberty Drum


    • xdog says:

      Curry was about 80 pounds too light to play in today’s NFL. Of course, so were the rest of the players.

  1. blakeage80 says:

    What happens when the kid at the back of the room doesn’t get the distance he needs and knocks another kid out? I say have the kids practice on the principle for giving voice to such a stupid idea.

    • saltycracker says:

      That idea is DOA. A wrongful injury attorneys dream case when the first kid is shot tossing a can provided by the school in expectation the children step up.

  2. Raleigh says:

    Now we can you say, “ YOU brought a can of peas to a gun fight”. Why bless their heart….. Only in Alabama…

  3. saltycracker says:

    Obamacare has nothing to do with reducing costs and increasing efficiency in healthcare as much as spreading the increases and premiums out to create a temporary illusion like a lower mortgage payment. In Obama’s fantasy he is creating a mega-corporate oligarchy to fight the well springs of entrepreneurial disruptors that would drop the price of delivery like an HD flat screen TV at Wal-Mart.

    The bigger problem is the Republicans only offer more chaos.

  4. TheEiger says:

    The GMO legislation is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard of and the people pushing the GMO movement are possibly the least informed people I have come across. There isn’t a single thing that you put into your body that hasn’t been genetically modified in some way. That includes the squash and tomatoes you grow on your own in your back yard. Cross breading cattle for better quality beef is called a GMO. Crossbreeding two types of corn to make them more drought resistant and increase yield is a GMO. The day lilies in my back yard that I cross pollinate to get cool colors are evil GMOs.

    • xdog says:

      Cross breeding stock or flowers isn’t the same as GMO. One selects desirable traits and hopes they breed true. The other combines genetic material from two different organisms.

      Personally, if I’m gonna have mouse genes in my hamburger I’d like to know it ahead of time.

      • TheEiger says:

        This is what I’m talking about. You are more likely to eat an actual mouse in your ground beef than get sick from a GMO. The alternative is to use tons of fertilizers and pesticides to grow crops. Or dope cattle up with growth hormones so that they produce more milk and grow bigger quicker. GMOs are by far more healthy for the environment and for people’s health than using chemicals to get the same results. People have been genetically modifying animals and crops for hundreds of years. I have no problem with crossing corn with wild daisies that are insect resistant so that my food isn’t sprayed with horrible chemicals that do cause harm to our bodies.

        • xdog says:

          OK, fine. I haven’t noticed any decline in pesticides or fertilizer usage and I still want to know what I’m eating. More information is better than less, right?

          • TheEiger says:

            Do you work on a farm? How would you notice a decline in pesticides?

            The government is great at mandating things without thinking about the consequences. If you don’t want to eat GMOs you are just out of luck. If you want to eat healthy then buy certified organic. Next time you are at the store look at the expiration date of a gallon of regular milk and organic. I bet the organic is three weeks to a month out versus a week for regular milk. There is no need for GMO labeling. The solution already out there.

            • xdog says:

              I wish you’d stick to the point and tell me what your objection is to clearly identifying what is in food.

              Since you brought it up, “buy certified organic” is a meaningless phrase. A cell doesn’t know if a nitrogen molecule came from man-made fertilizer or from composted goat manure.

              You don’t do much shopping, do you? Regular milk has an expiration of 2 weeks or so. I think in Georgia the date is 21 days after pasteurization.

              • TheEiger says:

                My objection to the labeling is that it’s worthless. The farm I grew up on would be producing GMO cattle because we cross bred polled Herefords with black Angus bulls. That’s an added expense to small time farmers that are already struggling.

                Sure, a plant doesn’t care if it gets nitrogen from chicken crap or a bag of fertilizer. But the growth hormones in cows are not natural like nitrogen. The antibiotics are not natural. There is a reason we have so many super bugs and viruses now. It’s because of the over use of antibiotics. Even in the food we eat.

                I do a lot of the shopping. Look at the date on the organic milk next time you go.

                • Andrew C. Pope says:

                  Hate to break it to you, but organic milk has a much longer shelf life than “regular” milk.

                  Per Scientific American:

                  “Retailers typically give pasteurized milk an expiration date of four to six days. Ahead of that, however, was up to six days of processing and shipping, so total shelf life after pasteurization is probably up to two weeks. Milk that undergoes UHT* doesn’t need to be refrigerated and can sit on the shelf for up to six months.”

                  *All organic milk undergoes UHT treatment. The milk is heated to 280 degrees for 2-4 seconds. The process kills all the bacteria but leaves the milk with a sweeter taste (from the caramelization of some of the milk), which is why “regular” milk is typically pasteurized instead of going through UHT.


                • Andrew C. Pope says:

                  While I’m setting records straight, you should also know that your hybrid cows would not be considered GMO cattle unless you’re injecting them with artificial growth hormone or the genes of some other species. GMO means forcing genetic material from one species into another entirely unrelated species. Your cows are no less a GMO than my neighbor’s labradoodle.

                  If you really want to look at added expenses that have small-time farmers struggling, look at the prices Monsanto is able to charge for its seed due to the patent protection it has. Under the terms of the seed licenses, farmers often can’t keep seed, sell seed to others, or cross-breed with existing seed. Don’t think for a minute you can just avoid the Monsanto problem by using your own seed or growing a different crop. Courts have held that Monsanto can force farmers to pay royalties or civil damages for infringement just because some of the neighbor’s Monsanto seed blew over into their field.

                  • TheEiger says:

                    Which state bill are you referring to? Vermont, California, Washington, Oregon . . . ? You might not consider cross bred cattle GMOs, but the way some of the bills are written they could be. That’s what I’m talking about. The legislation that has been forth in other states exempts some things while unknowingly targeting others.

                    I will not defend Monsanto. I think it is horrible that they sue small time farmers for intellectual property infringement because the farmers hold over second generation seeds to plant the following year.

                    • xdog says:

                      Forget opinion and forget magazine cites. I went and did the field work yesterday at Publix. Regular milk expire date 31Jan. Two or three 29Jan and 30Jan. Organic milk expire date 31Jan. There was about 30 times as much regular as organic and I’m sure regular is shipped in much more frequently. The organic could have been there since Thanksgiving. Next time I’ll check with the dairy manager.

                      TheEiger, I still wish you would admit that GM and selective breeding are completely different matters but I agree with you about growth hormones and antibiotics in meat and chicken and I agree that Monsanto is a good argument against unbridled capitalism.

                    • TheEiger says:

                      “what is the legal concept that protects Monsanto?” Monsanto patents the seeds that they produce like you would patent any new technology. The problem is that a lot of old school farmers don’t buy new seed every year. They hold on to a portion of the seed they produce and use it to replant the next year. Obviously, Monsanto wants the farmers to buy new seed every year.


                      “I still wish you would admit that GM and selective breeding are completely different matters” To the two of us they are very similar, but different matters. The way that some of the bills in other states have been written though they are treated as the same thing.

                      The problem is that there is way too much misinformation. For example, someone early said that they are putting roundup “genes” into different plant species. Well, that’s just crazy talk because roundup is a chemical and doesn’t have “genes.” Are they producing plants that are resistant to roundup? Yes. But give me a field of corn and 100 years and I could selectively breed corn that has built up a tolerance to roundup by gradually increasing the amount I put on the field from a tea spoon in year one to 10 gallons in year 100. Or we can do it in a lab in a year.

            • John Konop says:

              I have a compromise for both of you just eat insects. Instead of trying to keep them of our food with pesticides…. just breed and eat them. Problem solved 🙂

              ……..7 Insects You’ll Be Eating in the Future…….

              ……..As the human population continues to inch closer to 8 billion people, feeding all those hungry mouths will become increasingly difficult. A growing number of experts claim that people will soon have no choice but to consume insects…..


    • Ed says:

      I get why people are concerned with GMOs and their labeling. Nothing wrong with knowing what is your food. The problem is they jump so quickly into paranoia while being flat out wrong on so many things and that becomes the driver of the debate.

      This response came from Howard Yana-Shaprio, an actual expert on GMOs. I’ve snipped it down a touch but if you don’t actually care to be informed on GMOs you won’t care what he has to say. (He works for the maaaaaaaaaaan, man. That’s exactly what they *want you* to think).

      Do we have a moral obligation to utilize the best evidence-based science to solve the problems of humanity? Yes or no.
      When you consider these questions, this is the only one that seems to be problematic. Everyone agrees that we must use evidence-based science to solve the problems, but then we use a myriad of words to describe something called GMOs, genetic engineering, mutation, transformation, cisgenics… and on. Almost no one can define all these words correctly and often use them incorrectly and interchangeably. This lack of understanding has created a debate that has no answer. If we talk about evidence-based science, there is an answer. If we talk about an emotional conversation, everyone’s answer is correct. What has certainly happened in the debate about GMOs is that it is now an emotional discussion versus an evidence-based discussion. The tools that were invented in this revolution are extraordinary. Marker-based selection have helped inform every type of plant breeding that goes on today, and we use Mendellian plant breeding because they’ve allowed us to speed the process to release new varieties to the public. If there is a criticism of the biotech industry, it’s over-promise and under-deliver. I think even the biotech industry understands that not everything that is GMO is good and it is not a silver bullet. There should be a way to discuss this rationally – anyone have an idea how to do it?
      That said, a highly-regarded review was done by David Zilberman (Professor of Agricultural and Resource Economics, UC Berkeley and co-director of the Center for Sustainable Resource Development in the College of Natural Resources at UC Berkeley). This review covers a massive amount of published data and is presented only as evidence-based and without emotion. I leave it to the reader to make their own decision. Here is the link:

      • TheEiger says:

        It’s hard to explain to people what a GMO actually is when there is so much bad information. I think this line from the link you posted is perfect.

        “For millennia, humans have modified plant genes in order to develop crops best suited for food, fiber, feed, and energy production. Conventional plant breeding remains inherently random and slow, constrained by the availability of desirable traits in closely related plant species. In contrast, agricultural biotechnology employs the modern tools of genetic engineering to reduce uncertainty and breeding time and to transfer traits from more distantly related plants.”

        Of course people should know what is in their food. Wait until people start asking for labels on the growth hormones used on chickens and cows. Or the nasty chemicals that are used to grow crops faster. I understand people’s outrage over what is in their food. It’s just directed in the wrong direction.

        Anyone that knows me knows that I am as far away from tree hugging hippy as you can be. I’m a middle Georgia boy that grew up on a cattle far. I just want healthy food that doesn’t have growth hormones and antibiotics in it.

        • John Konop says:

          ……Anyone that knows me knows that I am as far away from tree hugging hippy as you can be. I’m a middle Georgia boy that grew up on a cattle far. I just want healthy food that doesn’t have growth hormones and antibiotics in it………

          I am not an expert by any means…..enjoyed math way more than science in school….from what I read, I 100% agree…hormones and antibiotics is the real problem… are correct we should focus on the heart of the problem….not get lost in BS….

        • Raleigh says:

          Interesting, In the first place GMO (Genetically Modified Organism) have nothing to do with selective plant breeding techniques which have been practiced for 100’s of years by using cross pollination. There are no plants in nature that have resistance to Roundup herbicides. GMO research now centers around making the GMO plant itself exhibit the characteristics of Roundup without having to treat a field directly with Roundup. I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t think I would like to ingest little if any Roundup as part of my daily meals. There are some nasty side effects from ingesting Round Up. Not many people can answer what would happen if the “Roundup” genes after those have been introduced into plants were to get loose in the environment and cross with other plants. Of course this would not be the first time we have caused a biological disaster. Kudzu comes to mind. As far as meat production I have in the past been a part of Georgia’s Poultry industry. They grow chicken to adult size in 6 to 7 weeks where it would take Mother Nature 14 to 21 weeks. Now I wonder just how do they do that? The bigger question is what long-term effects will it have on you?

          • TheEiger says:

            “They grow chicken to adult size in 6 to 7 weeks where it would take Mother Nature 14 to 21 weeks.” They do that with tons of hormones that go right into the meat and into us.

        • Ed says:

          What really grinds my gears is that no one cares about the nastiest chemical of all. It kills thousands of people a year (far more than any other chemical) and is in literally all our food.

          I am talking about dihydrogen oxide.

          • TheEiger says:

            I think we should ban it! The government needs to save us from this horrible chemical.

            I hope no one had to google that one to make sure they know what dihydrogen oxide is.

              • TheEiger says:

                AG commissioner isn’t a bad job, but I’d prefer to raise the cattle and have the government leave me the hell alone.

                  • TheEiger says:

                    Right now there is. Beef prices have been been good the past year or so. It goes up and down like any market. It’s hard in certain parts of Georgia because the land it worth more as a new development than farm land. Estate taxes and property taxes hurt small farmers in Georgia. It’s hard to become a millionaire with cattle, but there are worst jobs than owning your own land and business.

                    • John Konop says:

                      I wonder if their is a farm to table specialty meat/butcher business model? I f you had it prepared ie smoked…..could be better business model. Specialty butcher business is doing well….become the producer you would be fully integrated….? Always looking at investments…

                    • TheEiger says:

                      Yep, there are quite a few. We sell to a local producer and our meat ends up in fresh market, whole foods and a few publix stores.

                      I’ll plug some of my friends.


                      Whole foods is a great place to local beef. There are still a number of small butcher shops that still offer local grass fed beef. It will cost you a little more, but the quality is worth it.

                      The business model isn’t with smoked, but with dry aged beef.

                    • TheEiger says:

                      The problem with doing your own farm to table business is because beef butchering is one of the most heavily regulated aspects of producing beef. It’s easier and more cost affective for us to sell our beef to someone else who will butcher it because of all of the state and federal regulations.

                      An example: if I wanted to butcher a cow in Georgia and sell a steak in Anderson, South Carolina I have to have a federal inspector at my facility while I was doing it. I also have to be certified by the state of Georgia. The are only a few guys that raise and butcher their own cattle because it’s extremely difficult and expensive to do it.

          • Raleigh says:

            Sorry but the proper scientific name for this DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE

            This is an extremely dangerous substance. Since people want to stop and pick apples from my trees without asking I post signs each year warning them the orchard has been treated with the stuff and how dangerous it is. Thankfully it seems to work and fortunately there has been no fatalities.

            Eiger, Government will never ban it. They are one of the largest users of it.

  5. saltycracker says:

    Medicaid: This is going to get interesting. Obama might want to extend this mess until he can get out of office. – you got coverage but we can’t see you and if we do, we ain’t paying much for it, TS states –

    NYT: As Medicaid Rolls Swell, Cuts in Payments to Doctors Threaten Access to Care

    WASHINGTON — Just as millions of people are gaining insurance through Medicaid, the program is poised to make deep cuts in payments to many doctors, prompting some physicians and consumer advocates to warn that the reductions could make it more difficult for Medicaid patients to obtain care.

    The Affordable Care Act provided a big increase in Medicaid payments for primary care in 2013 and 2014. But the increase expires on Thursday — just weeks after the Obama administration told the Supreme Court that doctors and other providers had no legal right to challenge the adequacy of payments they received from Medicaid.

    The impact will vary by state, but a study by the Urban Institute, a nonpartisan research organization, estimates that doctors who have been receiving the enhanced payments will see their fees for primary care cut by 43 percent, on average.

    State report:

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