Jimmy Carter Talks Voter ID

President Jimmy Carter made a quick visit to Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College to discuss the what he and the Carter Center have done to make free elections around the world. Carter made few political statements during the visit; however, he did slip in a few words on voter ID laws, as reported by the Tifton Grapevine.

“African American women (in the United States) got the right to vote in the 1960s. We’ve worked to make the right to vote legal in Tunisia, Madagascar, Nicaragua,” he said. “Every time Republicans come to power, they start trying to deprive people of the right to vote,” Carter said in one of few political comments made during his address.

“Why must voters have a driver’s license to vote? A voter ID is hard to get if you don’t have a driver’s license. The reason is to deprive people of the right to vote. Who doesn’t have driver’s licenses?” he asked. “The elderly, the young people, the African Americans and Hispanics.”

Georgia’s voter ID law has passed hurdles and is deemed constitutional. Nevertheless, the Democratic Party of Georgia will continue to search for the illiterate 134 year old woman living in a cave in north Georgia without any photo identification who shuns the world except on election day to prove that the law is not valid.

72 comments

  1. Bobloblaw says:

    Many countries where Carter has monitored elections, requires voter ID. Mexico require a specific voter ID card.

  2. And the Republican Party will continue to search for the person who committed voter fraud without an ID. (No they won’t because it’s likely to be a Republican absentee voter – if they can even find one).

  3. griftdrift says:

    And let’s not forget, it only passed Constitutional muster AFTER it was pointed out the original bill was in essence a poll tax. It was only AFTER political pressure that Republicans relented and included a free ID provision.

    So, yes, while the Democrats still search for someone who can’t vote ( although lately they seem to be more focused with just getting people to the polls and if I were a Republican, I’d worry a little more about that ), the Republicans still struggle to find voter fraud and a cure for holier than thou arrogance.

    • Uh oh we are on the same page.

      The process with which it played out here could have just been done in committee if the Democrats had said ok this is fine but let’s phase it in over a long period and make sure everyone can get an ID and the Republicans had said ok we’re making something out of nothing sounds good.

      • griftdrift says:

        Guess I’m on a liberal tic this morning. Or maybe I just have a better memory than most who want to conveniently forget it wasn’t magically born Constitutionally sound.

        Chris speaks the truth. Governing happens in committee and is never heard about. Politics is blared from the highest mountain from someone wrapped in a shroud of IMPORTANCE.

      • DavidTC says:

        The fact that republicans never seem to want to phase this in over a reasonable time, and had to be *forced* to set up free ID measures (Back when the courts actually would stop voter suppression) tells everything you need to know about their motives. Georgia, personally, is lucky that it *already* set up one, because the new ones are even worse.

        It’s amazing how Republicans demand *years* of time before new business regulations kick in, and demand all sorts of help with compliance for *those*. But not a penny to try to get everyone the ID they need, not any sort of slow phase in, nothing. Just denying people access to the ballot because they don’t have ID.

        David Brin explained it best here:
        http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2014/10/voter-id-laws-scam-or-accountability.html

        Guess what, Republicans? Poor people *can see you*.

    • Dave Bearse says:

      And don’t forget that a photo ID wasn’t available in dozens of Georgia counties, but hey, as far as the GOP was concerned those folks could just drive to another county and get one.

      • seenbetrdayz says:

        And as far as the Democrats were concerned, they could just vote in another county while they’re at it.

  4. saltycracker says:

    I feel his pain….Jimmy C had to show his ID to get a fishing license and what did that get him ? Attacked by a rabbit.

    And while he was at the ag college did he remind all the students to pick up their ag sales tax exemption as paying ST is voluntary for the “qualified”. (referencing the GA Trend reposted article)

  5. Of course, this never happens, does it? Or does it…

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/27/texas-vote-id-proof-certificate-minority-law?CMP=ema_565

    So now we must display our papers when demanded by ze authorities? This used to be a nazi movie stereotype.

    Yeah yeah it’s not Texas but I bet you a lone star beer the racists in the GOP have wet dreams over new laws that are keeping guys like this from voting. Pretty soon, everyone will not only be in compliance, but they will be called for jury duty.

    Then who will be in control? Can we stop making enemies of others? Because in a few years we are not going to be a majority.

    And that election time will be known as The Great White Fall.

  6. South Fulton Guy says:

    You can get a free voter ID card at the GA Department of Driver Services: http://www.dds.ga.gov/drivers/dldata.aspx?con=1749371755&ty=dl

    Below are just some of the examples of things you need to prove your identity for:

    1. Alcohol
    2. Cigarettes
    3. Opening a bank account
    4. Apply for food stamps
    5. Apply for welfare
    6. Apply for Medicaid/Social Security
    7. Apply for unemployment or a job
    8. Rent/buy a house, apply for a mortgage
    9. Drive/buy/rent a car
    10. Get on an airplane
    11. Get married
    12. Purchase a gun
    13. Adopt a pet
    14. Rent a hotel room
    15. Apply for a hunting license
    16. Apply for a fishing license
    17. Buy a cell phone
    18. Visit a casino
    19. Pick up a prescription
    20. Hold a rally or protest
    21. Blood donations
    22. Buy an “M” rated video game
    23. Purchase nail polish at CVS
    24. Purchase certain cold medicines
    But not to vote?

    • benevolus says:

      Here’s is what you need to get a photo ID:

      A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
      Documentation showing the voter’s date of birth
      Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
      Documentation showing the applicant’s name and residential address

      Here is what you used to need to be able to vote:

      A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth
      Documentation showing the voter’s date of birth
      Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter
      Documentation showing the applicant’s name and residential address

      So, just to be clear- You use the same ID you used to use to vote to get the new ID. It’s just an extra step.

      • DavidTC says:

        I was about to reply to this, taking it at face value, but then I realized parts of it are clearly wrong.

        You do not need ‘Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter’ to get a photo ID, you twit.

        Secondly, *pretending what you say is true*(It’s not) you realize what you just admitted was ‘Republicans set up a system to require poor people to somehow get to a DMV, which in many cases is an hour away and reachable only by car. This system serves no other purpose.’.

      • DavidTC says:

        And, for the record, here are the *actual* requirement to get a driver’s license:

        An original or certified copy of a US Birth Certificate/Amended Birth Certificate (Which is a bit more than ‘Documentation showing the voter’s date of birth’)

        Social security card (oddly not included on your list.)
        (Both of those preceding documents can be swapped out for others, but those are the two that people are going to be able to get.)

        Plus *two* documents showing current address.

        I don’t know what the *actual* rules for voting were before voter ID laws, but I’m pretty certain people weren’t showing all that when they voted. (Plus showing proof of registration.)

        • benevolus says:

          They weren’t showing “all that”. If you didn’t have a drivers license, you show some other ID (didn’t need to be photo), and they check to see if you are on the voter roll, then you sign the affidavit letting you know it’s a felony if you are lying.
          The only thing I am getting at, as usual, is that the photo ID requirement adds nothing to security of the situation and just adds another (useless) step in the process.

          • NoTeabagging says:

            David, it appears there are different documents required (or accepted) depending on whether you are applying for a GA drivers license, a GA ID card, or a GA Voter ID card.
            A bit crazy.

    • Will Durant says:

      25. Purchase spray paint
      26. Purchase certain paint additives
      27. Purchase plastic cement
      28. Purchase certain fertilizers
      29. Purchase of many ATF designated “precursor” chemicals
      30. Purchase of many DEA designated “precursor” chemicals
      31. Purchase of canned air

      ‘MURICA!

    • DavidTC says:

      I am getting *really* pissed with the anti-spam detection stuff. Here is a random *part* of my commment.
      In which you confuse ‘proving age’ with ‘providing specific photo ID’. The government requires those things not be sold to underaged people. The person selling you those things is allowed to determine your age *any way they want to*. (Of course, being wrong has harsh penalties, so erring on the side of ‘just checking ID’ is common in locations where everyone has ID.)1,2,18,24
      In which private companies check age despite them *not* being required to by law, thus making your point doubly stupid. (In that that not only could they verify age however they wanted, but they’re literally no punishment if they decide not to.):21,22,23
      In which you confuse ‘proving who you are to the government’ with ‘providing specific photo ID’. You do have to ‘prove your identity’, but you do not have to do it via the the few forms of photo ID required to vote. For example, you can use wage stubs, or a school record. And if you *can’t* provide those, they will look you up in the social security database.:4,5,6,11,12,15,16
      In which you confuse something that companies do becuse they want to with a rule of law:7,8,14,17
      In which you make things up. You do not need an ID to do any of these: 10,13,20

      • saltycracker says:

        16. Fishing license, I wish. Fla/Ga used to be reciprocal. No more. Salt water license $47 yr for a non-resident – I can show issuers my Fl tax bill, utility bills, SS#, FSU diploma but they want my drivers license with my picture and address on it….oops it’s Georgia….issuers take the simpler route….DMV or leave….We should too.

  7. NoTeabagging says:

    Strange thing about voter IDs:
    in GA you can show up with a drivers license that has a photo taken 20+ years ago and it is accepted.
    (Georgia does not make you update photos when renewing drivers license online. Optional, in person.)

    Expired Drivers license also accepted.

    Valid passport, photo up to 10 years old, with a penciled in address is also accepted.

  8. Elliott2483 says:

    I remember in 2012 Obolla was trying to be cute and have the UN monitor our elections and the first thing they mentioned is why in a first world nation all voters did have to present an id. The Obolla administration through the state department gave Kenya a several million grant recently to set up a voter id program. The hypocrisy is astounding. Here in Virginia we do it the right way : one day everyone votes or absentee ballots. This keeps much of the riffraff from the polls who only care where their next welfare check is coming from and can not even give the name of the Vice President .

  9. rosco says:

    South Fulton Guy and Will Durant’s lists are quite telling. If the requirement to present a photo ID in order to vote amounts to voter disenfranchisement or discrimination, why isn’t it also discrimination for all of the other things in life that require a photo ID? After all, there’s a lot more to life and to ones rights than voting.

    If Democrats really believe that photo ID requirements amount to discrimination, then they should be complaining about job discrimination, marriage discrimination, second amendment violations, discrimination in terms of government benefits (welfare, unemployment, Social Security, etc.) and so forth. But they aren’t. That’s a pretty clear sign that they are blowing smoke on this issue.

    On the other hand, if Republicans did drag their heels in the past and had to be forced into issuing free photo IDs to the poor, then shame on them. The state should provide free photo IDs to those who can’t afford them. In the modern world, life is very difficult without a photo ID of some sort. Voting is just the tip of the iceberg on how ones’ life is limited without a photo ID.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      What rosco just said. It may have taken a while to get it right, but the ID’s are free now. Why would someone complain about making sure that their vote isn’t diluted by illegal votes?

      • Michael Silver says:

        For the Democrats, its not about dilution of illegal votes. They need those illegal votes to win elections.

      • benevolus says:

        No one would complain about making sure there vote isn’t diluted by illegal votes. That is not what a photo ID does though.

    • DavidTC says:

      If Democrats really believe that photo ID requirements amount to discrimination, then they should be complaining about job discrimination, marriage discrimination, second amendment violations, discrimination in terms of government benefits (welfare, unemployment, Social Security, etc.) and so forth. But they aren’t. That’s a pretty clear sign that they are blowing smoke on this issue.

      Or it’s a pretty clear sign that *ALL THOSE THINGS CAN BE GOTTEN WITHOUT PHOTO ID*.

      You don’t need photo ID to be married. You don’t need it to get a job. You don’t need it to get government benefits. You don’t need it to buy a firearm.

      Or, here’s a question for you. Let’s turn this around. We *factually know* that millions of people do not have government issued ID. How, *exactly*, do you think they function?

      You can’t stand there and pretend that photo ID is required to operate in society, when there are actual numbers out there about the people who don’t have them.

      And you, personally, should probably do the *slightest* bit of research before accepting idiotic cut and paste lists and face value.

      On the other hand, if Republicans did drag their heels in the past and had to be forced into issuing free photo IDs to the poor, then shame on them.

      Since Democrats do [thing that isn’t true], Democrats should be ashamed of themselves. If [thing that everyone very clearly remembers is true] is true, than Republicans should be ashamed of themselves.

  10. DavidTC says:

    And, of course, no one has mentioned that in-person voter impersonation literally does not happen. In fact, vote fraud via a *single* vote is actually fairly rare, because most people know such a thing is unlikely to change an election…and it’s a felony.

    If there is voter fraud, it’s almost always carefully orchestrated among poll workers, not some random guy trying to double or even quadruple his vote. *That* actually has a chance of changing the election, and is the fraud we need to worry about. (Which is why we need to worry about opaque electronic voting machines, but the Republicans are *fine* with those.) You guys remember the Democratic Machine in Chicago that would steal elections? That was via poll workers.

    But, sometimes people do, indeed, try to vote multiple times. Sometimes people are really stupid. But what everyone has apparently deliberately chosen to ignore, we live in a state where we can absentee vote for no reason and do it without any ID at all.

    And thus, in-person voter impersonation is not actually very likely (Pretending we didn’t have voter ID laws), because of added risk points. 1) A poll worker might know who they are, 2) A poll worker might know who they’re pretending to be be, and 3) they get recognized by going through the line twice. And if they do get caught, they’re *right there*, everyone saw them, and they can be picked out of a police lineup later even if they managed to escape. Often, there are even security cameras.

    All those risk factors disappear for absentee voting fraud. Even if something does go wrong (The actual voter realizes they didn’t get a ballot, or starts trying to vote in person), and the fraudster is found out, well, good luck tracking down exactly who mailed the illegal ballot in and proving it in court.

    When faced with the prospect of committing felonies with identical outcomes, except one you have to show up at a government building in person in front of a bunch of other people who can identify you later, and the other you can do via sending a piece of mail, most people pick the mail. Duh.

    I’m not sure how much ‘impersonation fraud’ happens, but when it does, it happens via absentee ballot, period. It happens via other household members stealing the mail people who aren’t there, or who have died, or have moved out, or whatever, and ‘voting for them’.

    Pushing voter ID is like pushing for requiring that all cars have extremely complicated keys so no one can steal them…no one is forging the damn keys of cars to steal them in the first place! People are just hotwiring them!

    • Dave Bearse says:

      Quiet. You’re pointing out it’s more important to the GOP to erect barriers to voting to prevent the possibility of fraudulent votes that would be prevented by a photo ID requirement (“possibility” because there wasn’t a conviction in the decade prior to Georgia’s voter ID law) than take action to address an actual absentee ballot fraud, the most recent being 1,500 votes in Brooks County in 2010.

      Erect a barrier to in person voting without it preventing fraud. Make access to absentee ballots easier when there’s documentation of thousands of fraudulent absentees ballots.

      Easy choice for the GaGOP. Barrier to voting are worth it when it’s effect disproportionately impacts Democrats, while providing easier access to thousands of times more fraud-prone absentee ballots is worth it, because easier access to absentee ballots helps the GOP.

  11. seenbetrdayz says:

    Nevertheless, the Democratic Party of Georgia will continue to search for the illiterate 134 year old woman living in a cave in north Georgia without any photo identification who shuns the world except on election day to prove that the law is not valid.

    The rest of the comments were hard to read through the coffee-stained screen.

  12. Captain Doug Sumdirt says:

    Do you show an ID to purchase tobacco products and alcohol? Do you show an ID at your local Human Services office or Social Security office? Do you supply an ID as you withdraw funds at the bank or partial funds for that matter from a deposited check? yes in most cases to establish legitimacy, demonstrate compliance with a law or comply with a significant policy-driven purpose. The law is not skewed toward benefitting one race over another nor does it favor a particular political party. Just as I do not give a flip whether a lazy piece is discouraged because they do not want to enter the 21st century with identification, I equally would rather keep away zealots from either side registering votes for a recently deceased relative, neighbor or some other stranger. Worst yet is the stomping of sovereignty of our great land by letting non-citizens cast a ballot. I favor a responsible society; those with irresponsible ideas should get an education or go find a beach. Stay out of our hair, please.

    • Do you show an ID to purchase tobacco products and alcohol No, because I am 59 and the law does not require me to show an ID to prove my age. The law says the retailer must NOT see to anyone under a certain age, but there is no law requiring ID to purchase these products. That is “private policy” not “public policy” which ash a different level of leeway when it comes to ‘rights’.

      Do you show an ID at your local Human Services office or Social Security office? I don’t know, I do not go to such places, but again you do not have a ‘right’ to such services in the same level you have a ‘right’ to vote.

      Do you supply an ID as you withdraw funds at the bank or partial funds for that matter from a deposited check? Yes, but again no one has passed a law requiring such. I’ve cashed checks without ID because I know the teller and the teller knows me. There is no law.

      yes in most cases to establish legitimacy, demonstrate compliance with a law or comply with a significant policy-driven purpose yes, no and no. Strawmen de-strawed.

      The law is not skewed toward benefiting one race over another nor does it favor a particular political party. correct. It does not. It also is skewered toward the poor and the elderly. So it is not about race, it is about class and age. I live in Ellijay. In order to get a ‘legally valid state issued ID’ I have to drive 22 miles to Blue Ridge. Now they are only open Tues-Sat from 10-4. That one station probably covers about 50,000 people. There are no buses. There are no taxis.

      It is not the REQUIREMENT, its the HASSLE factor that makes many just throw up their arms in exasperation and don’t vote. When people work on voter drives, tens of thousands are thrown into voter limbo because 2 or 3 had bad information in it. We call can’t be white, urban and mobile like you, Captain.

      Just as I do not give a flip whether a lazy piece is discouraged because they do not want to enter the 21st century with identification, I equally would rather keep away zealots from either side registering votes for a recently deceased relative, neighbor or some other stranger. “lazy piece? The elderly are lazy pieces? The mom and dad both working 65-80 hours a week and can’t get off to go get the special nice permission slip from the state are ‘lazy pieces’? OR is that code word for ‘darkies’. To you, a zealot is a person who is active in the political community on a grass roots level. You ‘prefer’ they do something else besides register voters because of a problem that only exists in the fears of you and your bunker mates? That is treasonous talk, and as unAmerican a statement I have ever witnessed on this blog. You, sir, can go to ISIS.

      Worst yet is the stomping of sovereignty of our great land by letting non-citizens cast a ballot. I favor a responsible society; those with irresponsible ideas should get an education or go find a beach. Stay out of our hair, please. What is with all this pomposity? What non-citizens are casting ballots? Do you have anything to fuel your ship of foolishness besides your hot air?

      Stupid, pathetic angry middle class balding white desperate male. What are you going to do when the Obama ISIS corp come for you? I know. You will drop to your knees like a gender confused mangirl and convert on the spot. Fear on that, Sparky.

      And this, dear readers is your problem in a nutshell. You have a shell full of nuts.

    • benevolus says:

      Well Captain, you clearly do not value your voting right very much if you equate it with buying cigarettes. I guess I have to agree with Choosy in thinking that perhaps you are in the wrong country.

            • benevolus says:

              Well the suggestions are pretty obvious and have been discussed here many times:
              – Get rid of the electronic ballots. (Unlike many paper ballot advocates, I am OK with ScanTron type ballots)
              – Make sure the voter roll is accurate
              – There might be some tightening up of the absentee ballot process that would be appropriate, but I’m not sure what that would be.

              Our registration process is actually pretty robust. That’s why there is no voter impersonation here. That’s the point. Whatever fraud might be happening, it isn’t going to be fixed by a photo ID.

              • Harry says:

                Evidently people can vote in 42 states without photo ID. Where the opportunity for fraud exists, it happens – especially in close elections. That’s why people don’t leave unattended cash laying around. Trust but verify.

                • benevolus says:

                  The verify was already there.

                  This is pointless though. The photo ID rule isn’t going away. I guess it just gets on my nerves when people think we’ve solved some huge potential problem and so “we” feel good about it and let the real problems continue to fester. Slap each other on the back, “Good job!”. Voting fraud solved! Next issue!

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