Morning Reads – Thursday, September 25, 2014

On this day in 1995, Ross Perot announced that he would form the Independence Party. I voted for him in my 3rd grade election.

Peaches

Jimmy Carter

Sweet Tea

Liberty Drum

25 comments

  1. Jon Richards says:

    The interesting thing about the Colorado students’ protests is that they are complaining about the local control of the educational curriculum that some who oppose common core would like to see in Georgia.

  2. benevolus says:

    What would be better is a 3rd AND a 4th party. If we just get a 3rd party it is likely to split one party, and hand every election to the other (original) party. But if we split both of them we would maybe actually have some choices.

    Of course, Ranked Choice Voting makes this easier too.

    • Harry says:

      Climate change exists, maybe even global warming at certain intervals. Whether human-caused or primarily due to cycles in solar radiation hitting Earth, is what’s open to question. Funny how the same heating/cooling trends appear on Mars as here.

      • benevolus says:

        I’ve posted this link before, but here’s the executive summary, and all this is non-controversial science, known quantities:
        Planets reflect and absorb solar radiation based on several factors, including having an atmosphere.
        What gases are in the atmosphere is important.
        Carbon dioxide is a major contributor to the greenhouse effect.
        We are pumping a LOT of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
        We are therefore retaining a lot more solar radiation than we used to- because of the carbon dioxide.

        https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/throwback-thursday-global-warming-for-beginners-63e1a8175dbd

        • Harry says:

          No question there’s more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. No question carbon dioxide creates a greenhouse effect. Two questions: 1) What’s the cause? Increased solar radiation means more flora growth, thus leads to an improvement in the food chain for higher forms of life including humans, which generates more CO2 some of which is absorbed and mitigated by the flora growth. 2) To the extent net CO2 increase is caused by 7 billion of humans, what can governments do to control it besides talk and make artificial winners and losers? Political environmentalists seldom consider all the unintended consequences until later. A really good example is when the greens tried to get Georgia Power to build biomass power generating facilities — and then realized that the environmental effect of cutting trees, transporting biomass to the facility and burning it, caused more CO2 than simply using fossil fuels!

          • benevolus says:

            There are so many government mandated pollution and safety regulations that have had dramatic positive impacts it is absurd to question the concept. I mean, how can one even have a discussion at that point? Lead paint? Mercury? CFC’s? Of course governments can make a difference. But if one just wants to be a stooge for the oil companies there isn’t a rational discussion to be had.

            I’m glad I don’t have kids.

    • saltycracker says:

      Global warming ? You’d think all that stuff in the air would cool things down. The citrus industry can make a case for global cooling.

      Gore was right the base problem is the dramatic increase in population and worldwide industrialization. Too many people wanting nice things. Damn emerging markets.

      Air ? How about our water ? We have a mess in GA but a dramatic nearby example:
      One of the largest springs in the world and a Natural National Landmark is being systematically destroyed.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Springs,_Florida

      Teach your kid to fish in Georgia but DO NOT let him eat it.

  3. skbl17 says:

    Of course a majority of Americans say we need a third party. We clammer and shake our heads at how utterly incompetent our Dem and GOP officials are. Everyone clamors for someone to come in, someone independent of the two big parties, a member of a third party to shake things up.

    Then Election Day arrives. Joe Sixpack likes the Libertarian Party’s views, and thinks the Dems and GOPers are sellouts. Hey look, there’s a Libertarian candidate on the ballot! As he moves his finger (or pencil) towards the ballot, he realizes that if he votes for the L, the R may get less votes, leading to a D win. Joe Sixpacks hates the Democrats, but agrees with the GOP on some issues. Thus, instead of voting for the L candidate, he votes for the R in the hopes that the D won’t win, since the R has a stronger chance of winning against the D candidate.

    There, my friends, is the REAL problem. We can clamor for a strong, viable third party all we want, but as long as our first past the post (FPTP) voting system remains, we will almost always have two-horse races. The “spoiler effect” says so.

    As for a real-life example, look no further than Florida 2000. You had Gore, Bush Jr., and Ralph Nader, the Green Party candidate. Nader took a significant number of votes, which analysts and pundits say hurt Gore and helped Bush, which played a part in his Florida victory. Most Nader voters indicated in exit polls that had Nader not run, most of them would have voted for Gore. Since Nader’s number of votes exceeded Bush’s margin of victory…

    • Jon Lester says:

      If like-minded people in Georgia would all vote for the Libertarian candidates this year, exceeding 20% of the totals, then the LPG will gain “full political party” status and won’t have to collect petitions for future ballot access. There’s no reason why Greens or other parties couldn’t do the same.

  4. saltycracker says:

    Add parties ? The current parties are bankrupt and need restructuring. We had a glimmer with the Tea Party but that ran amuke in a thousand directions as no visionary leader or political cohesion emerged.

    The folks that can make sense out of what we have are mob/crowd psychologists.

    • Harry says:

      My Party is my church, and I believe I serve the Lord best if I do his will, and liberate my oppressed people from the fetters of slavery. That is my gospel. – Josef Goebbels

      The only one who really knows about the Reichstag is I, because I set it on fire! – Hermann Göring

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