Possible Prayer Before HS Football Events in Hall County; Atheists *Outraged*

August 14, 2014 10:10 am

by Ed · 50 comments

Football players and possibly coaches of  Chestatee High School in Gainesville are accused of launching a full-scale assault on our freedom praying before games and having biblical quotes on pamphlets.

Details on the atheist encroachment of God-fearing Hall County:

“There’s really no defense for doing this,” America Humanist Association attorney Monica Miller told FoxNews.com. “It’s not even solely student prayer — it’s teachers and coaches praying with students. And we have reason to believe it’s not an isolated event.”

Miller, whose organization sent a letter Tuesday threatening to sue Hall County Schools, said a “concerned citizen” notified the national nonprofit group that the 1,200-student school in Gainesville, about 55 miles northeast of Atlanta, appeared to be doing an end run around the First Amendment. The letter demanded that coaches cut team-sanctioned prayers and remove all Bible verses and other religious messages from team documents and materials.

The group was particularly outraged that outgoing Head Coach Stan Luttrell joined players as they held hands and prayed.

“At times, the head coach has led the prayers, which is an egregious violation of the Establishment Clause,” the letter continues. “This involvement in prayer as a ‘participant, an organizer, and a leader’ would unquestionably ‘lead a reasonable observer to conclude that he was endorsing religion.’”

A spokesperson for Hall County Schools said they will investigate the allegations.

{ 50 comments… read them below or add one }

Robbie August 14, 2014 at 10:28 am

It’s worth noting that some of the outraged people aren’t atheists at all, but we understand the idea that an organized public school activity is not the proper place for religious prayer.

Doc August 14, 2014 at 10:34 am

Isn’t atheism a religion?

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 12:20 pm

No. It is not predicated on belief like religion. It is predicated on rational thought, not a hope and a prayer.

gcp August 14, 2014 at 11:22 am

The “concerned citizen” should have directed his complaint of this “egregious violation” to the Chestatee principal, the Hall School Board or Superintendent Will Schofield before going to some weird outside group.

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 12:26 pm

And be outed to face the wrath of all that Loving Christian Concern™ like death threats and public humiliation?

I figured you all would have outgrown public burnings of heretics by now. Flame by any source is still flame.

gcp August 14, 2014 at 12:39 pm

We don’t even know if this “concerned citizen” has a kid on the team. Do they have “standing?” If this thing went to court (unlikely) someone would have to come forward.

Noway August 14, 2014 at 12:44 pm

Thankfully we have people like you to save the community from all of those awful prayers and community fellowship! Thank you, Jif! Thank you, thank you!!!!

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 3:56 pm

Touch-y!

I suggest you do the Christian thing.

Forgive Me.

*eyeroll*

Dave Bearse August 16, 2014 at 11:54 am

As I recall, There’s yet been no determination about the rash of break-ins and a case of arson involving physicians that occurred soon after they that testified to the General Assembly opposing fetal pain legislation.

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 12:19 pm

Oh please Lord, Baptise me in a fount of tears from this poor oppressed majority.

Keep. It. In. Church.

Is that so difficult to understand?

gcp August 14, 2014 at 12:42 pm

If the kids want to pray as a group on the field; let them pray.

Harry August 14, 2014 at 12:45 pm

Could lead to unexpected consequences such as sobriety, chastity, and improved grades.

Robbie August 14, 2014 at 12:49 pm

Also, coercion, peer pressure, and even bullying of those students who choose not to join them. But if students want to pray on their own in small groups, that’s fine. But their coaches shouldn’t be participating or leading it, nor including bible verses in their play books.

gcp August 14, 2014 at 1:00 pm

And if coaches participate, that’s wrong? Think maybe Mark Richt participates in team prayer at UGA? Is that wrong? Of course not.

Robbie August 14, 2014 at 2:28 pm

Legally, yes.

dsean August 14, 2014 at 3:06 pm

It’s a different situation with adults voluntarily participating as opposed to high school students. And yes, there is a problem with public university employees endorsing religion, particularly if it becomes a prerequisite to playing (That’s what’s getting Dabo Swinney into trouble at Clemson).

If the players want to pray before a game, fine. It’s clearly established law, and has been for about half a century, that a coach or other school employee in a position of authority over the students may not actively participate while on school property.

drjay August 14, 2014 at 3:07 pm

if students that choose not to pray are being bullied, coerced or pressured by the kids that do pray, then those kids are doing it wrong and need to be corrected..

gcp August 14, 2014 at 3:10 pm

It would depend on the “level of control” exercised by the school which would be for a court to decide but I doubt it will get that far in the Chestatee situation

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 4:06 pm

Let me guess. You are White. Probably Male. Probably have at least 3 generations of southern heritage. Christian (or profess to be when it suits you).

I’d say you have a cognitive bias because you have never been oppressed by the majority. You ARE the majority.

We who do not worship gods care less if you are offended because obviously you don’t care either if we are offended. If I am free to sing Free Bird during prayer, then this would be cool.

What do you think would happen if your precious prayer time was interrupted by something loud and distracting? THEN where is your precious First Amendment. No. The Constitution, no matter how vague the references were (Note no diest founding father called on jesus, only on a god) makes no note of Christianity as a National Religion. You are the remnant of the Puritans, who were too krist kooky for the Dutch And British..

See how that works? No one is giving the coaches ‘wisdom’. Can you imagine being on a team, all you want to do is play ball, but you have to pray to Mecca or face majority oppression, how would you feel? Think you would complain the the ACLU? Think they would defend you? Damn skippy they would.

Coaches coach. They act as patriarchal figures that kids are overeager to please. Can you imagine the ire of a coach from a kid who complained about the coaches prayer? We are living in the state of Georgia, not a state of Vacuum.

In short, you can’t be trusted because you bully enough as it is. Why DO you NEED to have the RIGHT to have sole control of the PA so only YOUR special comments can be appreciated? Maybe you can start proselytizing and pick them heathens off to be with the Glory of The Baptist Church! Maybe a conversion during a goal line stance! Halleluiah they didn’t score!

You don’t see the problem because intolerant people like you ARE the problem.

gcp August 14, 2014 at 4:45 pm

Oh my. I detect a little intolerence of religion here. And that constitution; check that first word in the first amendment…

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 7:06 pm

Little? Son, I have ZERO tolerance for christianity or any other majority religion. Especially in government. That First Amendment protection cuts both ways and God is not your trump card.

gcp August 14, 2014 at 7:25 pm

You do have a right to dislike or be intolerant of religion; just don’t force your dislike or intolerance on others.

Noway August 14, 2014 at 6:48 pm

I didn’t realize the possibility of gcp being “white”, “male” and a third generation Southerner were pejoratives, Jiffy. If you’re trying to be daring or cute, you’re failing. You’re relatively new here unless you’re just posting under a new name. Congratulations on your insulting comments that paint you, in this instance, as a real shrew.

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 7:13 pm

Son, everyone who is a regular here knows who I am, if anything, based on the icon, You know my opinion on religioncreep into secular government. There should be no surprise, Noway.

There is nothing worse than a smug believer. And this is what I read from him.

I’m trying to be neither troll or shrew. Pointing out the obvious (I hear no denials of this prejorativeness of which you speak so he must be these things) does not change the fact that this individual, who COINCIDENTLY MIGHT fall into said categories has a blind spot. As do others.

If the shrew fits, I’ll wear it. Meantime please to keep your religion out of our schools.

Rick Day

MattMD August 14, 2014 at 9:01 pm

The best lays I’ve ever had in high school were Baptist girls.

Bar none.

Noway August 14, 2014 at 1:10 pm

As with any post Christian-related on PP, i expect the Christian-bashing jihadists to come out in force. From my perch here in Mexico City, I’ll get some tacos and watch them screech like stuck pigs!

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 4:14 pm

atheist jihadist is an impossible concept, what rational people call an “oxymoron”. Taking the muslim context out (which makes less sense in light of being used to describe concerned rational people), jihad means a crusade for a principle or belief.

We do have principles but we lack belief. So does that makes us a half jihadist? A “Jih” or a “Hadist”.

That makes as much sense as your taco comment. But again, it still makes more sense than public prayer.

Jon Richards August 14, 2014 at 3:41 pm

This press release was received today from the Hall County Republican Party:

The Hall County Republican Party Stands for Religious Freedom at Chestatee High

The Hall County Republican Party stands with athletes and coaches at Chestatee High School who choose to pray together and to acknowledge the wisdom of Bible passages as motivation during athletic training.

The founders of our Nation appealed to God for help, at the request of Benjamin Franklin, as they formed the Constitution, which underpins our system of laws. President George Washington, in his proclamation for a national day of “public thanksgiving and prayer” in 1789 stated, “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

Since our founding, Americans have freely and openly called on God for help and protection in their various endeavors. Throughout our history, political leaders and church leaders alike have openly and regularly called on God on behalf of the People, not only during our National Day of Prayer, but also during times of war and crisis.

The Supreme Court recently upheld public prayers in Town of Greece v. Galloway, a ruling which upheld the town’s right to open municipal meetings with prayer. As the court ruled that these prayers did not force individuals to observe the Christian beliefs associated with them, there is no violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment in these instances.

The Hall County Republican Party stands against the efforts of the Washington DC atheists, the Appignani Humanist Legal Center, to hinder public prayers and the display of scripture passages at Chestatee or at any other school, public or private. The humanist religion must not be allowed to act as an instrument of infringement upon the free exercise of any other religion.

The United States of America is a Nation of religious freedom. As constitutionalist, conservative Republicans, we will pray publicly, and we will fight to protect the right of anyone to do so. We also will support the right of anyone to display, read, or otherwise distribute Bible verses, which we believe represent a positive influence on our communities and culture.

When it comes to prayer, the Hall County GOP says: “Go War Eagles!”

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm

I would expect no less piety from the party because everyone knows God is a Republican.

Noway August 14, 2014 at 5:45 pm

Is that the best you got to the facts listed in that press release, Jiff? As smart as you seem to think you are, I was expecting more. The people of this nation, individually, overwhelming identify themselves as practitioners of the Christian faith. Does that just eat you up inside? And besides, where is that tolerance you libs preach about? How ’bout extending that to those poor, misguided small town folk who you are so superior to?

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm

Facts? There were no facts, only electoral gingiflexing to the white christian base that makes up90% of your voters. It is what it is, pablum for the masses.

Not ALL the people identify themselves as such. See man, this is the issue we have with you people; you think you are everywhere, therefore you get to make your rules. And why should anyone else not want to? What’s the harm?

I’m sorry this is not a Democracy where the majority mob dictate to the minority what is lawful and proper. We are a constitutional republic, where the rights of the minority and oppressed were protected from “well meaning people” such as yourself and your base.

Until you feel oppressed, you will never relate to oppression.

Does it eat me up inside? No, it makes me sad and want to cry for the soul of my country, who is in control of people who think the Bible is the source of all morality, except when it applies to them personally.

In my own no believing way, to my own little creator, I too pray for your misguided souls.

gcp August 14, 2014 at 7:34 pm

I am quite sad to hear about your oppression. Hopefully you can work it out.

Noway August 14, 2014 at 9:06 pm

Didn’t say ALL, Rick. But almost 75% of the folks, white or black or Indian Chiefs, practice Christianity. That is not subject to debate. It simply is.
Why don’t those of you in the vocal minority on this issue, respect the “right” of the overwhelming majority of Christians in this country to openly practice their First Amendment rights without having some gadflies suing them for praying before a football game? Is it really all that bad to ask for heavenly protection against an injury during the contest?

Don’t you have anything better to do?

And these, my unhappy fellow poster, are historical facts:

“The founders of our Nation appealed to God for help, at the request of Benjamin Franklin, as they formed the Constitution, which underpins our system of laws. President George Washington, in his proclamation for a national day of “public thanksgiving and prayer” in 1789 stated, “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

Since our founding, Americans have freely and openly called on God for help and protection in their various endeavors. Throughout our history, political leaders and church leaders alike have openly and regularly called on God on behalf of the People, not only during our National Day of Prayer, but also during times of war and crisis.

The Supreme Court recently upheld public prayers in Town of Greece v. Galloway, a ruling which upheld the town’s right to open municipal meetings with prayer. As the court ruled that these prayers did not force individuals to observe the Christian beliefs associated with them, there is no violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment in these instances.”

And I gotta tell you, I loved this:

“pablum for the masses…”

Just who is your favorite atheistic socialist, Lenin, Marx or Mao? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

And as you’re crying at the thoughts of our country being predominately Christian, which religion would you rather see our majority practice? You’ll make my day if you say Islam! LOL!

And finally, Rick, much like Dracula hisses and throws a fit every time the cross or holy water is thrown on him, what kind of bodily reaction do you exhibit, when you read the words, “In God We Trust” on your coins and paper money?

Does hydrocortisone help?

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 9:55 pm

Didn’t say ALL, Rick. But almost 75% of the folks, white or black or Indian Chiefs, practice Christianity. That is not subject to debate. It simply is.

Yes you did. You made a declarative statement: “The people of this nation, individually, overwhelming identify themselves as practitioners of the Christian faith. ” I called you out on it and you still are in denial.

Why don’t those of you in the vocal minority on this issue, respect the “right” of the overwhelming majority of Christians in this country to openly practice their First Amendment rights without having some gadflies suing them for praying before a football game? not only do we support you morally we support you financially with your tax exempt churches. Might I ask the same of you and yours that you ask of me? No? Why? Because you are the majority? That is a most un-American thing to think, IMHO.

Is it really all that bad to ask for heavenly protection against an injury during the contest? Yes. Conversely, is it really that bad to ask you to not do it at a government supported event, like a public school event? Even more so, does that prayer ALWAYS work? Does prayer generally work at all? Why do you insist on having this superior privilege? Because God?

Don’t you have anything better to do? To defend, even in opinion, the rights of the minority is the true calling of a patriot. Frankly, this country is in too much of a mess, you guys have had your chance and now it is time for you to loosen your holy stranglehold on public policy, and just go home or better yet, go to church.

And these, my unhappy fellow poster, are historical facts:

“The founders of our Nation appealed to God for help, at the request of Benjamin Franklin, as they formed the Constitution, which underpins our system of laws. President George Washington, in his proclamation for a national day of “public thanksgiving and prayer” in 1789 stated, “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”

Hey I got a few of those too from Big Ben!

“I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.”
“The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.” Poor Richard’s Almanack, 1758″
“He (the Rev. Mr. Whitefield) used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers were heard.” Franklin’s Autobiography

ouch. God? Yeah in a general Diest kind of thinking? Christians for Jesus? No so much.

Since our founding, Americans have freely and openly called on God for help and protection in their various endeavors. Throughout our history, political leaders and church leaders alike have openly and regularly called on God on behalf of the People, not only during our National Day of Prayer, but also during times of war and crisis. My favorite prayer was from General Buck Turgidson’s scene in the War Room. Because like all prayer, we are more talking to others out loud about our piety than to some holy entity.

“In Jesus name we pray, amen” is proselytizing. “May the Lord Jesus Christ keep our team safe” is proselytizing no matter how you slice it. When the prayer has terms used by preachers of the Christian faith to incite the crowd to convert, that, sir, is proselytizing and therefore attempting to establish an official government religion. Again, you have given no valid reason WHY you insist on public prayer at government sponsored events. So tell me, why is this important that these coaches force their religion on the team and the parents in the stands?

The Supreme Court recently upheld public prayers in Town of Greece v. Galloway, a ruling which upheld the town’s right to open municipal meetings with prayer. As the court ruled that these prayers did not force individuals to observe the Christian beliefs associated with them, there is no violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment in these instances.” have you ever disagreed with SCOTUS? Ever? If not, then you are a statist and an apologist for The Status Quo. If so, then you might realize that the 5 judges that overturned the ban were, ahem, christians who was flabbergasted anyone would take umbrage to government sanctioned prayer. Also, can you cite how many time a non christian was invited to open the meetings in that town? How about..zero.

And I gotta tell you, I loved this:

“pablum for the masses…”

Just who is your favorite atheistic socialist, Lenin, Marx or Mao? Inquiring minds want to know!!! Well I reckon Will Rodgers is top on that list, followed by Albert Einstein, Robert Oppenheimer and today it would be Neil deGrasse Tyson. Those other guys you mentioned are just political hacks or perhaps troll bait, idk….

And as you’re crying at the thoughts of our country being predominately Christian, which religion would you rather see our majority practice? outside of government any damn thing they want. In government, there is NO PLACE for your god.

You’ll make my day if you say Islam! LOL! pft, the extremists just as smug and evil as the christers. Two peas in a pod imho.

And finally, Rick, much like Dracula hisses and throws a fit every time the cross or holy water is thrown on him, what kind of bodily reaction do you exhibit, when you read the words, “In God We Trust” on your coins and paper money?

Sorry, I don’t ‘do’ coins. On Bills? Sometimes I mark through it. To me it is a historic remnant of the Cold War a la McCarthyism. Just a quaint part of history. However, I don’t trust your god because of the people who represent it. So it is meaningless…you know…pablum

Does hydrocortisone help? Nope; actually I find prayer to be just as effective, heh.

Give it up, son, you can’t convert me and you can’t use your churchyard superior attitude to get anything over on someone who thinks rationally about things like gods and politics.

gcp August 14, 2014 at 10:21 pm

You may want to actually read that pesky little first amendment.

Noway August 14, 2014 at 10:45 pm

Ok, Rick, almost bedtime here, so here goes…
I did not say “all”, once again I said overwhelming majority…
Re-read if you like…

Do you know of recent cases where “my ” majority has prevented a mosque or any other religion from practicing their beliefs? Whatever that may entail? I’m genuinely asking….no snark. Please don’t say the 9/11 memorial mosque. They were doing that to rub our tolerant noses “in it”, so to speak. Eff those a$$h&&&S!

As far as prayer to God from our founders, almost all of the Inaugural Addresses reference a “reverence” to God or Supreme being. I think only one did not. I forget who was president.

Let’s not fight over religious quotes from our founders, I can find a bucket load to support my case, you can find others to support yours. I mean, we have a House and Senate Chaplain, too and often times a christian minister will preside as well as a Jewish or other denominational fellow, too. Those chambers open each day with a prayer. Same under our own Gold Dome. Guess we gotta get rid of those, too.

And in your naming of modern day folks who are athiests, you forgot Ayn Rand.

And are you really asking why people pray? To prevent injury or otherwise? Seriously? Maybe they find the act a source of comfort. Miracles have been known to happen. Perhaps those are lucky coincidences, I truly cannot know that.

And yes, I’ve disagreed with Scotus decisions, one of them being the banning of prayer in school. Think of those who advocate and initiate the football game prayer as practicing a type of non-voilent protest against a gov’t policy they disagree with. Most dems love that concept. This type of protest is certainly more well behaved than the Occupy Wall Street protesters who damaged property, defecated on police cars and raped other protesters.

Do you seriously mark through the words on paper money? Wow!
I can’t really express my thoughts on that act. Again, no snark, I’m just processing it.
And I’m not trying to convert you, if you really wanna know the truth with me, I am not a regular church-goer. Haven’t been in about two years, I think.

But I am a believer in the power of prayer or of the affirmation, whatever you’d like to refer to it as.

And I’m a believer in our national traditions, of which the Christian religion is as thick as molasses.

And this is no BS, the Supreme Court, in a decision around the turn of the last century, did say that our country is a Christian nation. “A Christian people or nation” (or something close) while not affirming it as a national religion. When I get back stateside, I’ll send you the case number. Again, no snark.

objective August 14, 2014 at 3:45 pm

i was the only jew on many a team, or other school situations, where a sectarian prayer was spoken, most often led by school employees. lemme say, you don’t have to be bullied to have it be more than awkward, and feeling left out in what is otherwise supposed to be an “all for one” environment. sectarian prayers weren’t spoken out of spite, but in generally good intent, but nonetheless out of habit or ignorance as far as those who weren’t of the same sect. so while it’s easy enough to forgive being left out, or to get over that awkwardness, you do get some occasional askew glances from some purporting unity in faith. and you never feel that one-ness, as your faith is never recognized equally. and i think that’s been the key with recent court jurisprudence- that you can’t have a pattern of prayer which is clearly in favor of one sect. if you’re gonna say a prayer, make it all-inclusive, in every prayer, or by way of rotating sectarian preferences. i think it’s best, and easy enough, to pray without referencing sectarian names for god. it can be all about unity, teamwork, sportsmanship, strength, wisdom, family, community, etc., all without invoking sectarian preferences. that fairly accesses our shared higher consciousness.

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 4:18 pm

*crickets* Dude, you are hurting some widdle brains here….

Gonna need the hydraulic Jaws of Truth to widen some of these narrow minds.

aprilwood August 14, 2014 at 7:21 pm

Your lack of perspective, as conveniently and hypocritically noted by the individual below, has me & the boyfriend in stitches. You are awesome in all ways CMCJ. Thank you.

Wwjd.

Though off topic, let’s remember the other great decisions we as a nation made, or better yet keep it in Georgia:

The Atlanta Compromise. This agreement “provided that Southern blacks would submit to discrimination, segregation, lack of voting rights, and non-unionized employment; that Southern whites would permit blacks to receive a basic education, some economic opportunities, and justice within the legal system; and that Northern whites would invest in Southern enterprises and fund black educational charities.”

Clearly the last righteous strong hold is here in the bosom of the South.

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 10:12 pm

First comment unclear. Can you elaborate?

aprilwood August 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm

Someone writes below that you display a lack of perspective. Which, of course they fail to exhibit. I’m a fan of your words, as are the friends I shared this with.

John Konop August 15, 2014 at 6:18 am

I am also Jewish and we had 2 guys and they referred to us as the Jewish connection on the football team. We talked about this many times still good friends….The prayer never really was an issue….the biggest issue was the holidays and missing practice…..The coaches treated this with very little respect….I got getting the extra blah blah….but they really thought it was about skipping practice from comments….Ironic the lack of walking in shoes of others….

saltycracker August 15, 2014 at 9:31 am

Coaches on missing practice, that hit a nerve: today at least it only has to do with “caring about the team” missing practice because you are playing a game in another sport, it’s a holiday weekend, you are out of town, it’s mother’s day, family vacation……..you just might sit on the bench a little longer. It’s a year round commitment.

I keep telling you about walking in another’s shoes:
Walk a Mile, then you are a mile away and have the SOB’ s shoes.

Will Durant August 14, 2014 at 4:42 pm

I’m more concerned with how much the religion of Football takes from my public education dollars. If people think their deity cares who wins the game or any other superstition it is no skin off of my behind. I don’t want any religion’s creation myth taught as science and as a fiscal conservative I also don’t want my tax dollars spent building statues to promote any given religion or on the legal battles that always ensue.

Laura71 August 14, 2014 at 6:02 pm

For those who are against prayer, I pray for you…to be closer to God…and if I need to kneel to pray, because I feel the Holy Spirit, or I need guidance or counsel, God is there…
Let them pray…. and if you are offended, look the otherway, or be humbled that God loves the Athiests too..even if they don’t believe in His good ways…in everyway.
God does not favor politics, racial differences or this kind of BS in heaven…nor is he Republican..really silly..haha I laughed at that one.
You need prayer more than ever, Jiffy…to see the light…and I pray anywhere I want..because God trumps your lack of perspective.

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 7:24 pm

Thanks for the good thoughts. And if I offend you by demanding you keep Jesus out of my schools, you too will simply look the other way as well, right.

Right?

Eye..mote..beam..etc.

Laura71 August 14, 2014 at 9:08 pm

Possibly…but Jesus loves you anyways…and God too… we need more community involvement and not such judgemental issues…we are human and prone to going astray…but god reels us back..when we need it. I just got over 3 miscarriages…the last one 3 weeks ago…baby had heartbeat, gone at 7 weeks. In my pain, trying to reach a conclusion why this happens to me…I could wallow for weeks, months…in this…wanting a 2nd baby…
but all I had to lean on were my friends, family, and God was my rock…because he carried me when I felt weak..
Everything happens for a reason…perhaps to be closer to God…in this way, and he is ultimate perfect creator…if it isn’t right…it isn’t… and if you ever want to know God, it’s a gentle push…sometimes He uses frequencies…to reach out in a whisper. When my father was dying, I was asleep..had a dream, and cried out to Jesus…I really did, and saw a cross in my sleep…to reach God…you have to know Jesus.. second, I saw an angel of golden light come into my room on the night of my father’s passing…and knew he was ok. God he just wants to know you is all… like a good friend…
However, if people feel a spiritual connection that connects them to God…or Jesus…they should have that right…and I agree some are very forceful in their pushing religion, but try to be humbled… as bugs bunny always said, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em!
God bless…on your spiritual journey…we are all on a journey.

Choosy Mothers Choose Jiff August 14, 2014 at 10:10 pm

Well this is sad because even though you are a devout follower, God seems to have other plans for your happiness level. During the deepest times of despair, everyone cries out for someone, anyone to give them comfort. Sometimes, people need a God in their life. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Ironic you talk of Jesus because he held strong opinions on public prayer

Matthew 6:5-6

5″When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6″But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7″And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.…

If Christians followed the words of Jesus, instead of select words of rewriters, they would be at the forefront of opposing this.

This, ma’am is what we call hypocrisy. It is very difficult for non-believers to take hypocrites seriously.

May you find the healing you seek wherever you seek it.

Laura71 August 15, 2014 at 9:33 am

I was explaining my experiences. It is up to you if you want to grow spiritually or stay stagnant and bitter and go against the flow. The healing process is going…I do my daily affirmations on paper, and as a writer, I have to maintain some sort of clarity to write now with the emotional stuff hanging on.
People can go to church and pray, but some churches never teach you how to have a closer relationship with God. The dogmatic society is a preacher having the ultimate connection…as in the Catholic faith. I choose more of a nondominational approach..You can also practice being a good human being outside the church…goodwill towards man..as we as a society need great help in reestablishing morals and values, acceptance and love among the faiths…as it was meant to be peace on earth…but we have much work to do…and most people don’t do community stuff to support each other. When people first came to America, the outdoors were their church.
If you ever see God at work physically like I, it never leaves you…just saying you have the power and a good mind and heart to growth…than staying stagnant…most just stay the same….
Thanks for the healing comments. I am doing my best to keep chin up, and taken up swimming. My story is calling…so hope it is a good writing night and I am not too tired.

saltycracker August 15, 2014 at 9:53 am

Bona fide leaps of faith: Believing the downtown GSU football team will have a winning season.