Morning Reads for Friday, May 30, 2014

May 30, 2014 6:35 am

by Obi's Sister · 42 comments

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Here:
- #WhatWorks: Charlie Harper explains ATL traffic in one sentence.
- New life for closed rural hospitals.
- Crossing the street can be deadly, especially in GA.
- As if the traffic around Centennial Olympic Park isn’t bad enough!
- Stadiums, and more stadiums.

There:
- In light of #WhatWorks, here’s a nice piece of real estate with a hefty commute to anywhere. Kate Hepburn’s family estate “Paradise” is up for sale.
- Pass the popcorn.
- Bilderberg at 60. The Illuminati, or something.
- Oh, what a tangled web we weave…
- The US economy shrinking again? Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

Random Everywhere:
- One man’s space trash is another man’s orbital treasure trove.
- Which drone should you buy?
- What, do we all need to carry a roll of duct tape in our purses now?
- Presidential head-shrinking. Or interesting history stuff.
- Don’t Stop Believin’! Steve Perry sings again!
- That Bill Murray, he’s just everywhere.

OPEN THREAD:

{ 42 comments… read them below or add one }

Charlie May 30, 2014 at 7:09 am

To be clear/fair, I was quoting a McKinsey study when I said that.

I’ll post the video of the #whatworks discussion later today.

South Fulton Guy May 30, 2014 at 9:37 am

How is “Atlanta soak[ing] its citizens for a Braves stadium”? Maybe Cobb County is soaking its citizens, but only with their commissioners complicity…

Dave Bearse May 30, 2014 at 10:24 am

I’d been meaning to make this comment for a while now, but I don’t recollect a thread where it would have been appropriate (and apologize if I somehow squeezed it in elsewhere and am repeating myself).

My prediction last year that Georgia would begin to move toward expanding Medicaid was a total bust. Notwithstanding the surprise Carter candidacy, the prediction didn’t properly take into account the GaGOP’s continued tack right.

At the risk of going 0 for 2, I’m predicting this year’s “guns everywhere” legislation is going to hurt the GaGOP more than help. In ’16 if not in ’14. Most Georgians oppose “guns everywhere”, yet the legislation doesn’t go far enough for gun nuts. The GaGOP may have a tough row to hoe in ’16 when the GaGOP either hasn’t significantly relaxed restrictions, or enacts campus carry or something similar.

Harry May 30, 2014 at 10:32 am

So you don’t think campus carry would likely reduce deaths?

The Last Democrat in Georgia May 30, 2014 at 10:50 am

The anti-gun lobby is only interested in campus carry for violent criminals and outlaws, not law-abiding citizens.

MattMD May 31, 2014 at 12:10 am

I think it would have no effect whatsoever. Most students are ineligible anyway and campus housing would ban it. Read one of those housing contracts and then talk to me about “rights”.

Now, I’m not against it but don’t kid yourself into thinking that Campus Carry would change any crime statistics.

Harry May 31, 2014 at 1:20 am

We know that restaurants that advertise being no gun zones get robbed more often. Conversely, if the possibility exists that some folks are legally and actively carrying at a certain school/college, then yes, it would tend to deter antisocial behavior and likely save lives.

Lea Thrace May 31, 2014 at 11:12 am

“We know that restaurants that advertise being no gun zones get robbed more often. ”

Studies show this? Statistics to prove this claim?

Harry May 31, 2014 at 11:48 am

Yes, anecdotal evidence indicates it. That’s why the “gun free zone” stickers quickly disappear.

Lea Thrace May 31, 2014 at 5:41 pm

So no proof. Got it. Thanks.

Will Durant May 31, 2014 at 6:55 pm

an·ec·do·talˌanikˈdōtl, adj. – (of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

Just because you have linked a couple of cherry-picked “news” stories from your narrow reading list of websites touting more robberies in gun free zones doesn’t make this a fact. We are given no evidence of how many other robberies occurred in stores or restaurants where guns are allowed to corroborate their “anecdotal evidence.” I haven’t bothered to respond to your links regarding this issue as of late as I know you typically won’t even accept actual facts as evidence.

But WTH, let’s look at a couple of cases. First one of your Townhall links has a story with this title: “Restaurant Robbed At Gun Point For Third Time Since Guns Were Banned From Store”. This stems from an incident in Texas where the latest fad is getting a buddy to video you openly carrying an AR-15, Mini-14, Bushmaster, etc. and find out how much you can antagonize the local citizenry & law enforcement. Great sport, huh? The story and its links don’t get the facts right at all but first and foremost the headline implying the same restaurant had been robbed 3 times since banning guns is wrong. There were 3 incidents reported at Jack-In-The-Box restaurants nationwide since their “request” that gun owners leave them at home. One of those “robberies” was in fact a gentleman who ran into a JITB after being shot in a parking lot after he declined purchase of proffered drugs.

Regardless, today’s local headlines have given us the tragedy of a Griffin policeman and father of 7 killed while working an off-duty security job at a Waffle House. He was shot 3 times in the back by what the AJC is calling a Georgia concealed permit holder who was then shot by the policeman’s brother who also carries a permit. This is beyond “anecdotal evidence” or even facts I don’t even care about right now. This is simply tragedy.

MattMD May 31, 2014 at 6:52 pm

Are we talking about mass-shootings or the robberies around State and Tech (which have mostly subsided)?

It is so hard to predict what Campus Carry would do to mass-shooting statistics since they are so rare. Look at Sandy Hook, do you really expect elementary school teachers to be armed around little kids? I guess you could have weapons in the administrative areas but I still think some dirt-bag with a rifle would be able to inflict significant casualties.

Dave Bearse June 1, 2014 at 11:48 pm

The problem is we don’t know whether to arm k-12 school staff with rifles or pistols. What with school being so large now, a pistol is an inferior choice to take out a shooter at the end of a long hall.

The Last Democrat in Georgia May 30, 2014 at 10:44 am

Thanks for the news, Obi’s Sister.

Three Jack May 30, 2014 at 2:28 pm

Just when it seemed Cherokee County couldn’t get wackier, along comes Carolyn Cosby, one of the wackiest to run as an independent for commission chair – http://www.cherokeetribune.com/view/full_story/25209799/article-Tea-party-leader-plans-challenge-to-Chair-Ahrens?instance=home_top_bullets.

The good news from this announcement, Cosby resigned here created post as chair of the Canton Tea Party. Keep it coming Cherokee, the Tribune needs filler to support their status as legal organ of the county.

saltycracker May 31, 2014 at 8:06 am

She certainly brings WTF to a new level.

Dave Bearse May 31, 2014 at 1:27 pm

Didn’t Cosby object to T-SPLOST because state and Cherokee County taxes were already paying for MARTA?

Raleigh June 1, 2014 at 7:04 pm

The best thing would be for them to cancel each other out. I don’t want either one of them. Buzz said the recycling deal was signed by the previous chairman but it was his signature on the Intergovernmental Solid Waste Contract that committed us to back the 18.1 million dollar bond, so he lied. Now we are going to have to pay his legal fees for being sued by a business that tried to buy the facility because he, Johnston, and Cooper badly botched the deal. So there is little to no difference between them. AND Buzz is suppose to be some high powered executive until he retired from Rubbermaid. I wonder how much their stock increased when he left.

As I said before get out the popcorn this will get interesting.

Will Durant May 30, 2014 at 3:20 pm
seenbetrdayz May 30, 2014 at 4:55 pm

Saw this. Too bad there wasn’t a legislator who introduced a bill to end no-knock raids for petty-offense suspicions in Georgia. Oh wait, there is, at least until the next election.

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/Display/20132014/HB/1046

Maybe that infant will think twice before being born into a home filled to the brim with . . . . trace amounts of drug residue. Book ‘em.

MattMD May 31, 2014 at 12:13 am

What a disgusting thing to happen. All this for some “war” which has already been lost.

I have also lost a lot of respect for law enforcement over the past 15-20 years. The drug war and the increasing para-militarization of civilian forces is going to result in some eventual blow-back.

saltycracker May 31, 2014 at 7:57 am

As long as it is illegal for armed criminals to occasionally sell meth from a guarded residence, you just might want to keep your kids out of there.

http://www.cbs46.com/story/25651317/toddler-severly-burned-by-flash-bang-in-habersham-co-drug-raid?autostart=true

Will Durant May 31, 2014 at 12:30 pm

The WGCL article states that the confidential informant did not know if the “guards” were armed or not, they did not see any arms. They also imply that the Sheriff got his man in the raid and fail to mention that the Sheriff’s department did not reconnoiter the residence to find out if the person they held the warrant on was even in the house. He was not and turned himself in later. They also did not make their own determination that there were no children present but relied on the likely paid CI for this information as well. The entire family that was sleeping in the one room in question were only there because they were destitute and had been misled by their sister-in-law that the accused had reformed. They found this not to be the case and had reserved a U-Haul to go back to Wisconsin on Thursday.
Even if they are not telling the truth it still does not warrant storm troopers invading a home in the middle of the night while kicking the doors in and throwing a potentially lethal explosive device into a dark room.

MattMD May 31, 2014 at 6:57 pm

Are you seriously blaming the parents? You have got to be kidding.

I’d think about getting judges to tighten down the guidelines on getting “no-knock” warrants in the first place. It seems like this state would have learned something from the Kathryn Johnson murder.

I really wonder what would happen if some rich, influential white person in the northern counties were gunned down due to these idiotic tactics.

John Konop June 2, 2014 at 8:21 am

The War on a drugs is failed policy that has created criminals, scarlet letter people from obtaining jobs ie creating poverty, increased violence and the winners are gangs and legal industry….This policy is irrational!

The Last Democrat in Georgia June 2, 2014 at 1:21 pm

+ 1…The War on Drugs has only made our drug, crime and poverty problems worse, not better.

seenbetrdayz May 31, 2014 at 10:14 am

And as long as it is illegal for armed criminals to sell meth, we can expect this degree of violence in our communities.

I doubt they had a lot of choices. The family’s home in Wisconsin (if I recall one article correctly) was burned to the ground. They don’t appear to be a very well off family, and I doubt they knew the extent of criminal activity, but supposing they did, wouldn’t a visit from social services be more appropriate? Then again, the cops claim they did not know a kid was in the house, which tells they probably spent all of 10 minutes surveying the target location before yelling out “yee-haw boys! Lock N Load! Raid’em cowboys.”

Radley Balko, a huffington post contributor (probably the only one I’d ever care to mention), wrote a book called ‘Rise of The warrior Cop’ and goes into great detail about the militarization of our police forces. He tells how SWAT teams were initially created by the LAPD to handle imminent, life-threatening situations. i.e. Barricaded suspects, hostage-takings, lone shooters, —that sort of stuff. Phenomena like “Swatting” would have been unheard of in the early days of SWAT units because certain parameters (such as, threat to life) had to be met before police chiefs would even think of calling for the big guns. Fast-forward to today, and they’ll call a SWAT team based on an anonymous tip for drugs in the home.

MattMD May 31, 2014 at 7:00 pm

I remember reading about that book as well. It also showed that SWAT deployments have gone up by orders of magnitude since the 80′s.

Dave Bearse June 1, 2014 at 11:54 pm

The number of guns and their lethality is increasing, but the number of gun owners isn’t. That means police are increasingly likely to routinely encounter the well-armed. And that means more militarized police.

saltycracker May 31, 2014 at 9:48 pm

When we are done convicting the cops and awarding the parents millions, it remains highly probable that the parents took a high risk, for whatever reasons, and lost. This is not a world of absolutes….the more stressful/dangerous world our cops live in, the more screwups we can expect.

It’s too much of a game, our legal system, enforcement, drug laws and meanwhile cognitive adults better recognize the odds of risk taking. Life is tough and when you are stupid it is tougher.

Better to wander the streets than shelter your child in a troubled drug house. Blaming someone else is little consolation.

Raleigh June 1, 2014 at 11:26 am

Salty, maybe you can ask Kathryn Johnston about how well no knock warrants work except she is dead. The officers involved not only use bogus information to obtain the warrant they tried to plant drugs in an attempted cover-up after no drugs were found in the house. Fortunately the officers in this case went to prison. Are you suggesting those cops should still be “on the job”? Who knows the next “drug house” they “investigate” might be yours.

I’m sure the “perp” in this case left the house on occasion so why not pick him up then except that requires just a little effort on the part of the police. Your suggestion the family would be better off homeless well that’s just absurd.

gcp June 1, 2014 at 1:57 pm

And the three children that died in Gwinnett in a meth house explosion in 2011; do you blame police for not knowing about the house or just maybe it was the fault of family members that were cooking the meth that caused the explosion.

Harry June 1, 2014 at 2:11 pm

The police get blameage no matter the shade of grey, according to some pundits.

gcp June 1, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Raleigh June 1, 2014 at 6:48 pm

Well I’m sure a no knock warrant would have solved all those problems but since the police in the Gwinnett case never had a clue about the house they could not very well get one could they? Now it seams this family had been living in the house for 2 months and the police didn’t know there were children in the house. So much for doing surveillance. Something is very wrong with this picture.

Again there were alternate and safer methods the police could use but they didn’t. Now you have a toddler paying the price.

saltycracker June 1, 2014 at 9:59 pm

Ridiculous – I’m not defending the cops you are intent on blaming. When you are in a house occasionally used by gun toting criminals to sell meth there is a reasonable chance of some gun fire – cops busting in or other criminals or druggies trying to rob them. Bad things are going to happen. Including kids eating the drugs or getting blown up. Just the place to have your kid. And you can pass the blame, become an innocent victim, rather than reduce the risk and get the hell out of there.

Raleigh June 1, 2014 at 10:15 pm

So your solution is the family was better off being homeless? That’s ridiculous. There are alternatives to no knock warrants and in the next few weeks we will find out if any were even considered.

saltycracker June 1, 2014 at 10:41 pm

Taking responsibility to protect the family as best one can is the prevailing concern here. Homeless, guns, criminals, drugs, cop issues were just part of the soup.

Cops busting in the wrong house suggests a victim didn’t fail the personal responsibility test.

gcp June 1, 2014 at 10:06 pm

Raleigh
You failed to answer my question. In the Gwinnett case, who is at fault?

Raleigh June 1, 2014 at 10:24 pm

Well lets see if I did. You said, “do you blame police for not knowing about the house .” I said “Well I’m sure a no knock warrant would have solved all those problems but since the police in the Gwinnett case never had a clue about the house they could not very well get one could they?”

So what answer are you looking for? If they didn’t know that’s obvious but that’s not the point you are looking for is it?

Now answer my question If they did know about kid being in the house or didn’t go to the effort to find out who is there whose fault is that. Fortunately in the case of Kathryn Johnston the courts decided. Again there are other more effective methods than to throw a grenade in a kids play pen.

gcp June 2, 2014 at 11:03 am

Raleigh,
To answer your question if pd failed to adequately conduct surveillance at the house to account for children then yes they are at fault and they will be held accountable by the DA and/or a judge or jury.

To answer my question because you won’t answer it in the Gwinnett case the adult occupants of the house are to blame and that is why two of them are in prison.

The common factor in both cases? Illegal drugs. If you don’t want the results such as what we see in these two cases keep the dopers out of your house. Until drugs are legal, it’s best to obey the law.

Dave Bearse June 2, 2014 at 12:03 am

Of course he left the house Raleigh. In fact he wasn’t even at the house when the raid took place, but hey, police were following protocol, so it’s simply a terrible accident.