MSNBC Quizzes Carter On Confederate Flag Plates

April 21, 2014 13:30 pm

by Buzz Brockway · 26 comments

What do you do when you’re a Democrat trying to attract the votes of rural whites and keep progressives and other Democrats excited and ready to vote at the same time? You hope your buddies on MSNBC don’t ask problematic questions. Apparently they didn’t get the memo so state Senator Jason Carter had to try to straddle the fence:

During an appearance on MSNBC’s “The Daily Rundown,” state Sen. Jason Carter, a Democrat, said people have the right to sport the Sons of Confederate Veterans-backed license plate, which features an image of the Confederate flag. He also said he would rather have people focus their attention on the role that Georgia and its leaders played in the civil rights movement.

Carter went on to say he didn’t know the Governor could do anything to block the offending license plates.

Will this help Carter with rural white voters who not too long ago sent Democrats to the Governor’s Mansion? No doubt these folks, and these folks, and these folks, will be upset with Carter’s comments.

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BuddyFreeze April 21, 2014 at 1:33 pm

It sure is fun to watch the implosion Buzz….Good luck Dems trying to return to the 60′s 70′s in your time machine…that Democrat party died a long time ago :)

gcp April 21, 2014 at 3:40 pm

Perhaps Jason is trying to honor the early political career of Grandpa Jimmy when he was a segregationist. Jimmy doesn’t like to talk about those days.

NoTeabagging April 21, 2014 at 4:34 pm

…and for those of us old enough to remember “Fergit Hell” bumperstickers, then we can recall the (guess what party?) backpeddling on the campaign promise to allow citizens their right to vote on a new state flag.
“Oops, we fergit to tell ya’ll, we ain’t givin’ ya’ll no choice on the designs, includin’ the one ya’ll thought ya’lled git to vote fer.”

Will Durant April 21, 2014 at 7:40 pm

Fergit Hell, I’m old enough to remember the State Education Department film strips (ask your grandpa) where the first frame displayed the State Seal accompanied by a 33RPM LP recording playing Dixie. I played Dixie at the high school football games and even at Oakland Cemetery on Confederate Memorial Day which was still a State and school holiday back then.

That being said, this being brought up by Buzz is beneath him, Barnes isn’t coming back and neither should Georgia’s sordid past. Yes honorable men died for it, but too many have dishonored it since. The current Republican administration approved this design for the SoCV led by Ray McBerry, yes, that one. Let sleeping dogs lie. As of the end of February only 35 people had bought them. Don’t stir the pot and make it worse.

NoTeabagging April 21, 2014 at 7:57 pm

Thanks Will.

We knows them Republicans got short attention spans and even shorter memories.
Even so, maybe they wanted a little appeasement after the 2003 Sonny Flag Flap. Memory refresher below, based on a true story of flags and promises, c.2003, some of it actually happened.
http://www.campaigngeorgia.org/Campaign/georgia/issue2/page_4.phtml
(cue rebel yell)

Ghost of William F. Buckley April 21, 2014 at 8:49 pm

Actually this little ol’ pot needs stirrin’ and I am fixin’ to tell you why.

Some years ago I had firsthand experience trying to get a State specialty tag for a national illness support group. You know, charities that help chronically ill people by increasing public awareness and generating research dollars.

Well, that effort was Byzantine as each step of the legislative process consisted of untimely information of what hoops the charitable organization would have to jump through to get a State tag.

The last, step was essentially a guarantee that the tag would generate a revenue stream of $50,000 per year. That’s a whole heap more than 35 tags sold, by the way. That step was the nail in the coffin and the tags never got stamped…

This sucks on so many levels:

1.0 Political gotcha,
1.1 The damn SoCV and their ability to sway vote power on a single issue,
1.2 The issue itself, both pro and con,
1.3 And finally these Yay-hoos got a specialty tag.

2.0 Head knocking wall…

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/videos/snl-takes-the-gop-to-coachella-seth-rogen-hosts-20140413

Next let’s ask young Jason about hunting and gun rights.

Will Durant April 21, 2014 at 10:21 pm

I’ve vented on the license plate thing before. I would prefer that they all look the same and have nice big readable numbers to serve their original purpose. Look, I’m as patriotic as the next guy and certainly appreciate all who have served but there are at least 100 different Military Veteran Tags on the DOR site. Including one for any Medal of Honor Winner that was in the Coast Guard. I looked it up and there was one, awarded posthumously for heroism at Guadalcanal, I hope they didn’t stamp too many of those. Can you say pandering?

Obviously you didn’t talk to the right people. I guess Mr. McBerry did. Though I’m puzzled as I thought he was still being shunned.

taylor April 21, 2014 at 9:37 pm

Will – Confederate Memorial Day is still a state holiday.

Will Durant April 21, 2014 at 10:06 pm

Why yes it is. Thanks for the correction. As I recall now I did get tripped up on that one a few years ago when I went to renew my driver’s license. I thought they had moved it to the Friday after Thanksgiving but I see that was [standing & placing hand over heart] Robert E. Lee’s Birthday [sitting now]. It’s not still a school holiday is it?

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 22, 2014 at 3:10 am

Will Durant, April 21, 2014 at 7:40 pm-

“this being brought up by Buzz is beneath him”

…How is this beneath Buzz to bring this up? Just because the issue offends your highly-sensitive personal sensibilities?

This is a very-high stakes gubernatorial race during a major statewide election year. EVERYTHING is on the table and EVERYTHING is up for discussion no matter how much it may offend you personally.

Buzz is doing his (unpaid) job as one of the main contributors to Peach Pundit by bringing this event to voters’ attention.

Will Durant April 22, 2014 at 11:33 am

It is beneath him to try to dredge up a partisan wedge that the Republicans successfully employed a few years ago that got votes but exacerbated old wounds. In the current climate it would be best for Republicans that only too recently in this very forum were giving lip service to get more than tokens from the black community. It doesn’t serve them to remind people that their party is where the thinly-veiled (sheeted?) guys like Ray McBerry gravitated to after the fall of the Democrats.

My personal sensibilities are just fine thank you, I am in complete agreement with Mr. Chidi that there are many more important issues than a symbol. The flag guys should be happy because the current flag is patterned after the flag that flew the longest over the confederacy but at least it isn’t the one identified with the racists. I’m with Abraham Lincoln in thinking Dixie is a great march, especially the old University of Florida Band arrangement that starts with all of the trumpets bugling. But the J.B. Stoner’s of the world ruined that for all of us by playing it while throwing out their vitriolic bile. It’s just like I said, let sleeping dogs lie.

How long are you going to keep up the groveling? Charlie been letting you post reams as of late.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 22, 2014 at 10:35 pm

“It is beneath him to try to dredge up a partisan wedge that the Republicans successfully employed a few years ago that got votes but exacerbated old wounds.”

Buzz didn’t have to “dredge up” anything. Carter made the statement that people have the right to display the Confederate flag as part of an interview on PMSNBC.

I know that PMSNBC’s viewership may be so ridiculously rock-bottom low that it seems that someone has to dig way down into some kind of deep abyss of far-left extremist filth to find any of their programming or video, but PMSNBC does have just barely enough viewership for their interviews with people of note to at least be noticed by the public.

“How long are you going to keep up the groveling? Charlie been letting you post reams as of late.”

No groveling. I may not always post warm-and-fuzzy comments that tell people the comforting lies that they may be looking to hear. But Buzz and Charlie know that I respect them, the front page contributors, the website, the forum and the work that they do, even if I don’t always play well with others and come across as Mr. Congeniality.

Doctor Strangelove April 21, 2014 at 5:28 pm

Hey there, Progressive Liberal Georgia Democrat here.

We don’t care. Thanks for trying to put words into our mouth, but in truth, this is literally the last issue on our minds right about now. We’re more concerned about having an honest and ethical Governor who puts education first, fixes problems (rather than makes them), and fosters an economy where business succeeds.

George Chidi April 21, 2014 at 7:40 pm

Amen. We’re pissed about the gun bill … but not enough to withhold a Carter vote on it. It’s social politics and affects a very small number of people. Same with the license plate thing. We’re about money issues right now — Medicaid, education spending, job creation, transportation issues (read: Snowpocalypse), fighting against shady tax deals, government corruption.

If the national media is bringing up license plates, it’s because it’s getting its news from Reddit and the Huffington Post and not from the street.

NoTeabagging April 21, 2014 at 8:02 pm

George:
The media will do anything to avoid reporting on real issues. It is so much easier to trot out a silly soundbite on the nightly news, then report which party won or lost points that day over it, usually after wasting ten minutes of analysis from “experts” on party game play. Nevermind truth or relevance.

Chris Huttman April 21, 2014 at 8:12 pm

MSNBC just trying to stir stuff up and make news. This election isn’t going to be about the confederate flag for anyone.

Raleigh April 21, 2014 at 8:48 pm

Well let’s see if the history professors on this board can identify the following.

Of the last 3 Georgia State Flags one was modeled after the Bonnie Blue Flag, one was modeled after the Stars and Bars and one was modeled after the Saint Andrews Cross. Put them in Chronological order oldest first. Bonus Question for extra credit and maybe a beer, Did Georgia really ever get away from modeling the state flag after past “Confederate flags.” Last extra credit question how many of those flags were adopted by Democrat state administrations.

Ya’ll have fun now and thank you for playing!

sonofliberty April 22, 2014 at 1:11 pm

……our present flag is patterned after the Stars and Bars…..which served as General Lee’s headquarters flag……

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 22, 2014 at 2:59 am

“Will this help Carter with rural white voters who not too long ago sent Democrats to the Governor’s Mansion?”

…I don’t know if will necessarily help him, but combined with his support of the gun rights expansion bill this sure as heck will not hurt the young Carter with rural white voters.

And if it does not hurt the young Carter with rural white voters, then it most certainly could help him in the very-unlikely event that Deal struggles down the stretch.

Harry April 22, 2014 at 10:22 am

I see a problem with urban Democrats not being very motivated to vote on election day.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 22, 2014 at 11:24 am

IF and only IF Carter actually still has a chance to win on Election Day, they’ll show up to vote.

Heck. How many years has it been since a Democratic gubernatorial nominee actually had a serious chance of winning on Election Day in this state? 16 years?

If Georgia Democrats have a serious chance of doing major damage to the ultra-powerful Georgia GOP by actually having a serious chance of winning a gubernatorial election for the first time since the 20th Century, urban Democrats will show up.

Heck, urban Democrats would show up to vote for Hitler and/or even the devil himself if it meant winning and taking some power away from the GOP, so they would definitely show up to vote for Jason Carter.

Chris Huttman April 22, 2014 at 1:15 pm

Jason Carter – better than Hitler since 2014.

Dave Bearse April 22, 2014 at 9:48 pm

Barnes in ’98 sixteen years ago was quite the upset.

saltycracker April 22, 2014 at 6:08 pm

The laughs on the buyers of specialty tags as most of the money, since Perdue, goes into the state coffers.

Don’t know why those remembering the history of the Confederacy can’t pick one of the other flags as used by parks/monuments. The battle flag has become a symbol of all the negatives.

Dave Bearse April 22, 2014 at 9:49 pm

And that’s why they pick it.

Harry April 22, 2014 at 6:47 pm

This young candidate does not handle the media with knowledge and finesse.