Morning Reads–Hello Again

December 4, 2013 7:59 am

by Ed · 13 comments

If there is one person who is in the same general level of excellence as I am, it is Charlie. Thus, there was no appreciable drop off in quality last week. Thank you for your filling in for me.

Buck Owens & His Buckaroos “Get Out of Town Before Midnight.”

Thomas Adams (@GeorgiaCRE) December 4, 2013 at 8:27 am

Morning ReadsHello Again – If there is one person who is in the same general level of excellence as I am, it is Ch…

saltycracker December 4, 2013 at 8:30 am

One of Cobb County’s wealthiest developers is being offered tax breaks on a $100 million project that includes apartments and offices near the proposed Atlanta Braves stadium in a deal that doesn’t meet the county’s own standards for incentives

Read more: The Marietta Daily Journal – Developer scores incentives deal near Braves stadium site

View from Brookhaven December 4, 2013 at 10:18 am

In the words of one of the 20th century’s great poets…
“Ain’t no fun if the homies can’t have none.”

atl_man December 4, 2013 at 9:23 am

Yeah, because what fails in Cincinnati will totally fail in Atlanta.

Cincinnati metro area population?


Atlanta metro area population?

4,515,419 to 6.1 million.

Reasons for tourists and other visitors without cars to visit Atlanta?
Braves, Falcons, Hawks, aquarium, College Football Hall of Fame (soon), King Center, Civil Rights Museum (soon), Georgia Tech, Georgia State, NBAF, CNN Center, Carter Center, Emory, CDC, some little airport called Hartsfield etc.

Cincinnati? Reds, Bengals, University of Cincinnati and, well …

Atlanta? Top 10 convention destination by pretty much everyone:

Cincinnati? Not a top 25 or possibly 50 convention destination by anyone.

Oh yes, and there is the matter of the actual cost to the city. The Atlanta streetcar, which is being built with mostly federal funds, will cost $60 million, $47.6 of which is being paid for by the feds and the rest being covered by MARTA. The Cincinnati streetcar will cost$133 million dollars and will come from the city’s general fund. Again, that is $12.5 million dollars from a 1 cent MARTA tax that can only be spent on, you know, RAIL and other public transportation versus $133 million from the general fund that can be spent on ANYTHING: sewers, sidewalks, parks, road repair, etc.

If you are going to oppose the Atlanta streetcar, don’t compare it to a much smaller city that is paying more than ten times as much, has a much worse funding mechanism, and no realistic hope of getting anyone to ride it but Steelers and Pirates fans in town for Bengals and Pirates games and University of Cincinnati students going to the mall.

mpierce December 4, 2013 at 9:46 am
atl_man December 4, 2013 at 1:01 pm

Yep. Most of that was things that the city decided that they wanted to add onto the project – i.e. more streetcars and pedestrian areas – and not things vital to the project’s completion, and much of the added cost was actually chipped in by the feds.

But the total city outlay is still only $29,386,939, at least half of which is coming from MARTA. So where the city is spending no more than $17 million on this, Cincinnati is spending $133 million.

And even that does not address why the streetcar has a ton more reasons to succeed in Atlanta (far more tourists and college students as well as a much larger overall population) than in Cincinnati.

Ed December 4, 2013 at 1:08 pm

Dude… have you seen how limited the route and scheduling are for the streetcar? It will effectively go nowhere and serve no one.

It isn’t close to Tech, it isn’t close to Emory and it is only close to GSU if you have a loose definition (and no closer than, say, the already-existing MARTA stations) of “close.” Soon it will be further away from the Braves and Falcons. It doesn’t do anything for Hartsfield and two of those venues aren’t even built yet.

So sure, there are more reasons for people to come to Atlanta but that doesn’t mean it will work. Especially when it will take longer to wait for the streetcar than walk from one end to the other if you miss the train.

mpierce December 4, 2013 at 3:47 pm

City of Atlanta – $32.6M.
ADID – $6M
Atlanta Regional Commission – $6.3M
Yet to be determined – $6M

That doesn’t include the $2M/yr in operating expenses

Harry December 4, 2013 at 7:09 pm

It only makes sense if further developed, which is problematic.

Charlie Harper (@IcarusPundit) December 4, 2013 at 9:38 am

Morning Reads–Hello Again — Peach Pundit #gapol #gagop #gadems #tcot #p2

gt7348b December 4, 2013 at 9:44 am

Uhhh, the City of Atlanta and Atlanta Downtown Improvement District are funding the non-federal share of the Atlanta Streetcar, not MARTA.

Ron Daniels December 4, 2013 at 11:05 am

Whether you and Charlie are on the same level of excellence is a matter to be determined by a higher authority than I. But I commend your music selection dear sir.

T Jacobs December 4, 2013 at 12:45 pm

I do look forward to the weekly Buck Owens tune, Made in Japan is now on repeat at my house

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