Eve Of Destruction Open Thread

As I type, the House and Senate appear poised to do…nothing. At midnight tonight funding ends for the government and since we no longer operate on actual budgets, as had been the practice since the Harding Administration, we must rely on the House and Senate to pass a Continuing Resolution for the President to sign to keep things running.

No matter the outcome, large portions of America will not be happy tonight. If you’re on the Left, a government shutdown is devastating and will cause great harm to the Country. If you’re on the Right, funding Obamacare and/or allowing it to go into effect tomorrow is devastating and will cause great harm to the County.

Discuss this and anything else on your mind in this OPEN THREAD.

60 comments

  1. griftdrift says:

    Or if you’re a rational person, you realize neither is true and you act like a grown up. Which it seems the moderate bloc of House Republicans have FINALLY decided to do.

    • The great thing is the “if you’re on the right” outcome happens no matter what. It might as well say “if you’re on the right, it sucks that Ronald Reagan isn’t alive anymore and still the President.” Since that has the same likelihood of reversing as Obamacare does if they shut down the government.

      • Trey A. says:

        Except that if you’re on the right you’d still be upset because Reagan had a record of operating in good faith and embracing compromise. Check his record versus his word.

  2. johnl says:

    Let’s be clear. This would be a shutdown of “non-essential services.” But of course the media won’t call it that, because then people would ask why we need “non-essential” services in the first place.

    • Jackster says:

      No, the people would not ask why we need non-essential services. People would ask why we have to pass a CR tonight, not why the Republicans or the Democrats don’t want to do anything.

      The only people who ask about non essential services drool and perk up whenever glenn beck flashes that smirk. so hot.

  3. Jackster says:

    Two things stand out in my mind:

    1) If the House Republicans hadn’t used the House Budget proposal as credibility for Ryan’s VP nomination, would we have had a budget and avoided a long series of CRs which lead us to tonight?

    2) If the President hadn’t used his budget proposal to push all things antithetical to the Republican party, would we have had a budget and avoided a long series of CRs which lead us to tonight?

    3) Is that thing in Al Sharpton’s ear turned on, because he’s yelling at the TV. Someone should tell him you don’t have to do taht when you’re not watching it.

      • Jackster says:

        You can always tell how old someone is by what they call pot.

        But seriously – I’m thinking if the R’s and D’s are to take blame, it’s because they both proposed nonsensical fantasy land budgets.

        • Baker says:

          “You can always tell how old someone is by what they call pot.”

          Left-handed cigarettes is the best.

          “But seriously – I’m thinking if the R’s and D’s are to take blame, it’s because they both proposed nonsensical fantasy land budgets.”

          Very true. Politics, not governing, has permeated through every single moment of every day. Don’t think it used to be like this. Cable news?

        • Scott65 says:

          D’s have no blame in this. The republicans are holding the government hostage to destroy a law they dont like…what a way to govern.

          • Trey A. says:

            It’s not even the Republicans. It’s a faction of extreme Republicans in safe conservative districts. Read James Fallow’s stuff on the Atlantic.

  4. John Konop says:

    I have a simple compromise for both sides:

    1) End War on Drugs……

    2) let VA drug prices be used for exchanges, veterenrs family members and government workers

    3) Make it a requirment to fill end of life directives

    4) Use the CPU for SS

    5) Put phones in county emergency rooms for dial a doc for non emergency care

    6) Raise co-pays on elective procedures for Medicare

    7) Promote common sense sentencing in our courts vs zero tolerance

    8) require all health exchanges to have a HSA option

    Can we not, put politics aside and agree on the above?

    • Rick Day says:

      1. win
      2. double win
      3. THIS THIS!
      4. huh? I have a fast CPU but it won’t outrun an SS.
      5. *for ankle sprain..press 1. for abscess drainage press 2…*
      6. I had no idea there was elective procedures in Medicaid, dang!
      7. Been a long time coming, until the next yahoo wanna be accuses the incumbent of being ‘soft on crime’.
      Magic 8. [ball] unclear on the concept. rephrase comment.

      • John Konop says:

        8). It allows individuals and small businesses to group together and self insure like large corporations do many times. It saves about 20 percent on healthcare cost. The group would buy catrastphic insurance only and charge itself the premiums just like an insurance company.

      • John Konop says:

        You are about 4 but at least this would get us on the right track. BTW I left off one more, end the policemen of the world foreign policy and cut military spending by 10 percent.

  5. Salmo says:

    Letting the ACA go into effect and passing a clean CR is the best option for the GOP. Delaying the ACA was actually going to help the Democrats, but they decided to draw a line in the sand, so it ain’t happening. Unfortunately, too many Americans decided to vote for Democrats over the past six years, so here we are. The President is going to take the House behind the woodshed politically if they follow through with a shutdown.

    Might as well just let the thing go into effect and let the clusterf*** ensue. It’ll be painful, but the American people deserve to get what they voted for, and it will ultimately benefit the GOP when the “I told you so”s start flowing.

  6. xdog says:

    One thing that could change is for Boehner to toss the Hastert rule (there’s precedent) and bring up the CR w/o the ACA defunding and let the House pass it. In that case he might not be speaker much longer but it’s an empty title nowadays anyway.

  7. saltycracker says:

    If the Feds would just help fund insane asylums the prisons and congressional halls would be better served. When Miley, Gaga, Brittany and Lindsay are less painful to watch than Congress………

    Memo: cancel trip to national park tomorrow

  8. Dave Bearse says:

    I thought the analogy Chris Matthews made Sunday on Meet The Press appropriate. The usual scenario is a person is held hostage for ransom. In this case House Republicans have the money and demanding the baby, which isn’t going to happen.

  9. Harry says:

    I like the analogy of the last monied person opting out because being productive doesn’t pay anymore. And, if you don’t like people to have more money for healthcare than you do, then maybe you don’t need to breed so many babies or live in this country.

    • Rick Day says:

      I like the analogy of the last monied person opting out because being productive doesn’t pay anymore except those of us who run businesses for the fun of it, as opposed to squeezing every cent out of our ‘liabilities’ aka employees. We will carry on without the rest of the quitters.
      Someone has to pay the bills. Might as well be business, than living breathing people.

      And, if you don’t like people to have more money for healthcare than you do, then maybe you don’t need to breed so many babies or live in this country.

      Yeah Harry, you tell those ole rich folk off!

  10. Harry says:

    “We need to remind the public this is not the end of the world if there is a government shutdown. It is a pin prick. Remember a few weeks ago when Obama said he was hell bent on bombing Syria? Well Obama, we don’t do pin pricks but sometimes we elect them!” – Sarah Palin

      • tamberne says:

        You have to earn a title, not steal it. At least she called him by his name, unlike what many people call him these days. He is destroying our country and his followers cannot or will not see it. I guess if I voted for him I would be a bit upset knowing that I was used and betrayed by a power hungry narcissist. Somehow ultra progressive libs always find patriots detestable. Sarah Palin is more courageous than most of the members of the House and Senate. BTW your avatar is very appropriate.

        • Rick Day says:

          You have to earn a title, not steal it. Bush v Gore. ’nuff said

          At least she called him by his name, unlike what many people call him these days. don’t you find that the least bit disturbing that you would associate with such racists?

          He is destroying our country and his followers cannot or will not see it.
          What is destroying the country are the people you reference above, tbh.

          I guess if I voted for him I would be a bit upset knowing that I was used and betrayed by a power hungry narcissist.
          *reminisces* I remember flag draped coffins flying in daily from oily desert lands….

          Somehow ultra progressive libs always find patriots detestable Ohhh so that is why they turned against the POTUS too! Damn liberals!

          Sarah Palin is more courageous than most of the members of the House and Senate. on this we agree and she is 16 bricks shy of a load herself.

          BTW your avatar is very appropriate. Avatars should be appropriate, as is yours 🙂 Shadowy figure with no discernable details and an empty head. Brilliant!

          Thanks for playing, here is a home version of the game etc…..

          • Harry says:

            Would you mind if I referred to Obama as the bastard? His mama was a very loose young woman to put it politely, and we’re not 100% certain after all that his daddy was that dude from Kenya with the glasses. Obama’s facial features appear to be closer to a certain known communist by name of Frank Marshall Davis (Google him), a “family friend” who just happened to hang around and “mentor” the young Obama. Interesting times.

            • Rick Day says:

              No not at all. You can call him what you want because you are on my level. We don’t get the Big Podium like Ms. Palin does. With great power comes great responsibility, Harry.

              They don’t follow the same loose rules we do. The bigger the stage, the more credible the person appears.

              You can call me a bastard too if it pleases. My church going mom was date raped at 15. Meh, I’ve been called worse.

  11. rrrrr says:

    Ladies, Gents, Star-Trek fans…

    Having reviewed the commentary and News coverage to date, the links below demonstrate that art can indeed mirror life. ( Bonus points if you see your favorite Senate or Congressional Critter)

    Enjoy:
    Airplane Clips: Lloyd Bridges
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeI5ke0BENw

    The crap hits the fan
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StpbhwYtkF4

    Get a Hold of Yourself!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNkpIDBtC2c

    Backbones… we need a few.

  12. MattMD says:

    Well, since it’s an open thread:

    GT Football better step up against Miami else it will be a LONG season.

    UGA looked good against LSU. Their offense is legit. Too bad it will end in yet another SECCG loss and a trip to the Outback/Citrus Bowl. Georgia will run a hundred miles yet will always have one to go. Always.

  13. NoTeabagging says:

    Folks, it doesn’t matter which party is in majority/minority in house/senate or the administration. This pattern repeats.

    When it comes to legislation no partisan legislator is going to vote for the other team’s bill. There is some perverse notion, only held by elected officials, that voting for legislation associated with “the other” team must be defeated lest it be perceived as a victory by the faithful fans of “their team” and could results in votes for “them” next election.

    These elected officials can never speak or think about the merits of the bill, nor can they offer any reasonable alternative legislation. Defeat is the only option. For the Good of the Party. Go Team.

  14. NoTeabagging says:

    From the late night show hosts:
    Jimmy Kimmel: “Midnight tonight is the deadline for Congress to pass their budget for the year. And if they don’t, things shut down — which is bad because we need to keep the government working so they can continue to not do things on our behalf.”

    Jay Leno: “If the government does shut down, nonessential White House employees will be sent home without pay. So more bad news for Joe Biden.”

    Conan O’Brien: “Our government may be shutting down in a few hours. So folks, get ready for absolutely no noticeable difference.”

    Arsenio Hall:
    “As of now we still don’t know whether Congress is going to vote to shut down the government. However, it looks like they still might burn it down for the insurance money.”
    “All this drama is very confusing to all the hookers in D.C. They don’t know whether they have to go to work tomorrow either.”

    Stephen Colbert: “Tonight I will be covering the end of the government in a must-see TV event: the finale of Breaking Gov. It started out as a highly sympathetic character in the 1770s, but in 230 seasons has become an egotistical, self-destructive maniac.”

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