Shock Poll: Few Want Government Shut Down.

A new poll commissioned for the Congressional Republicans finds that most people don’t want the government to shut down. I’m sure this will send shockwaves throughout the land.

In a national survey of 1,000 registered voters done July 31 and August 1, the question, from pollster David Winston, said, “Some members of Congress have proposed shutting down the government as a way to defund the president’s health care law” and asked respondents whether they favored or opposed that plan.

Overall, 71 percent of those surveyed opposed a shutdown, while 23 percent favored a shutdown. Among Republicans, 53 percent opposed, versus 37 percent who favored.

Winston found a huge gender gap among Republicans. Republican men favored a shutdown by a narrow 48 percent to 44 percent margin. But Republican women opposed it by an enormous 61 percent to 29 percent margin.

A source tells me David Winston is Speaker Boehner’s pollster, which provides an explanation for the slanted nature of this poll and a level of intrigue to the ongoing debate.

Here’s the problem, Republicans have not “proposed shutting down the government as a way to defund the president’s health care law.” That’s a question designed to produce an outcome if I’ve ever seen one.

Georgia’s own Tom Graves is the author of the House bill that would prevent the Executive branch from spending money on anything related to the ACA. That does not shut down the government, it provides no funds for the program. Agree or disagree with Graves’ bill but it is certainly within Congress’ authority to fund or not to fund programs as they see fit.

Reasonable people can argue whether defunding Obamacare is the best path to take, and there are people I respect on both sides of the argument, but please don’t pretend Republicans are threatening to shut the government down.

By the way, Graves’ bill has over 100 co-sponsors. I’d say that signals strong support within the House GOP Caucus for the idea. At the very least, the bill should be debated and Graves given the chance to try to convince his colleagues his approach is the right one.

On a related note, here are the results of the survey from the Gwinnett GOP on the subject. While respondents overwhelmingly want the ACA defunded, most thought the GOP would be blamed should the government shut down.

Discuss.

25 comments

  1. griftdrift says:

    Republican not threatening to shutdown the government

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/14/tom-mcclintock-obamacare_n_3757065.html

    Republicans not threatening to shutdown the government

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/08/house_republicans_say_grass_roots_support_building_for_government_shutdown.html

    Republican not threatening to shutdown the government

    http://politix.topix.com/homepage/7259-ted-cruz-government-shutdown-will-be-good-for-republicans

    And on and on and on and on

    May I suggest an edit, Buzz? Perhaps you should insert “reasonable” in front of Republicans in this sentence, “but please don’t pretend Republicans are threatening to shut the government down”

    • Dave Bearse says:

      Has the bubble has bifurcated? That would explain that those in the one of the bubbles don’t know that those in another are proposing a government shutdown.

      BTW, has the plan been changed from shutting the government down unless Obamacare is defunded to defaulting on US debt by not raising the debt ceiling? Poor John Boehner. His Speakership is spiraling into a vicious cycle of appeasing the Tea Party by postponing here and now crazy (shutdown) with future idiocy (defaulting on debt).

      • DavidTC says:

        BTW, has the plan been changed from shutting the government down unless Obamacare is defunded to defaulting on US debt by not raising the debt ceiling?

        I think someone pointed out to the Republicans how badly the last government shutdown went, so they’ve now switch to the ‘safer’ alternative. Or, rather, the less safe.

        A government shutdown says the government stops generally operating, but it does continue to pay its debts. We can, in fact, live with that for a few days, without much bad side effects. It’s costly to do, and costly to recover from, but it won’t kill us. It is the personal equivalent of getting a bad case of the flu and just laying around in bed for a few days. Yeah, stuff piles up, but we can recover.

        Failing to raise the debt ceiling means _we stop paying for things_. Like our debts. Like the bondholders who we borrow money from. Who in turn are very unhappy and stop giving us such nice interest rates. The last time we go _close_ to this, bad things happened. This is the personal equivalent of, I dunno, declaring bankruptcy. It is not something we can recover from for a long time.

        Either Republicans are so dumb that they don’t understand that failure to raise the debt ceiling is more important than shutting down the government, or they’re smart enough to take a _better_ hostage.

        Of course, they might have actually gotten away with blaming Democrats if they’d passed a CR without Obamacare, and Obama had refused to pass it and the government was shut down. That can be spun into Obama’s fault.

        Refusing to pass a debt ceiling raise…the Republicans entirely own that. They still might be able to get away with blaming the Democrat if they hadn’t _twice_ threatened the same thing, but at this point people remember.

  2. seenbetrdayz says:

    While respondents overwhelmingly want the ACA defunded, most thought the GOP would be blamed should the government shut down.

    And therein lies the rub. Republicans need to back off and let democrats own this. —Completely. Put as much distance between the GOP and Obamacare as possible and then keep walking for an eternity, just for good measure. Don’t try to defund it. Don’t try to tweak it. Don’t touch it unless you intend to buy it.

    The GOP needs to do to Obamacare what Democrats did with the war in Iraq. Bush and Republican Co. were seen to blame for that whole mess and it cost them dearly come election time. There’s no reason I see why the GOP can’t do the same thing with the coming Obamacare disaster if they just be patient.

    Of course, I won’t exactly be thrilled if the GOP gets a majority again in all areas of govt’ and goes rip-roaring across the middle east again. The choices aren’t looking to good but nonetheless, the GOP stands to make a good comeback if they play the cards right.

    • Call me a cynic, but since the Republicans came up with the idea for Obamacare before they were against it, I believe that they know that if it’s implemented, there are bound to be a few bumps along the way but Americans will by and large by satisfied with it.

      That’s why they aren’t taking your advice. They know that the average American will like the fact that everyone in the country will have access to healthcare even if they have a preexisting condition and/or can’t afford it. If they can somehow stop it before it gets implemented, it’s a victory. If they get out of the way, they’ll look like idiots for not supporting it – once people grasp how it works.

  3. SmyrnaModerate says:

    I’d really like to hear from conservatives as to what the end game is for this tactic. Call it whatever you want but any CR that passes the House that does not fund Obamacare isn’t going to pass the Senate and the government will shutdown. I haven’t heard the conservative answer as to what happens next? If the only answer is “the Democrats will cave and Obamacare will be defunded” then that’s more than a little delusional. If that’s not the answer, then what is it that they will accept? Because if they don’t have an answer to that, House leadership is going to do what that have had to do in the past and pass a CR that has overwhelming Democratic support and just enough Republicans to make it not look completely ridiculous.

    Eric Cantor’s comments last week were quite telling when he essentially said the House will not take action on any effort to defund Obamacare until such a bill passes the Senate. While the House is gerrymandered enough to ensure the Republicans keep control of the House probably through the end of the decade, its worth noting that in 2012 democratic house candidates got more than 1 million more votes than republican house candidates. I believe this is only the 3rd time in history that the party that won the House “popular vote” didn’t win a majority of seats. The Leadership is rightly scared that its hold on the House is tenuous.

  4. Harry says:

    I’m coming to realize you Obamabots are prepared to go down with the ship

    #1 When Barack Obama entered the White House, 60.6 percent of working age Americans had a job. Today, only 58.7 percent of working age Americans have a job.

    #2 Since Obama has been president, seven out of every eight jobs that have been “created” in the U.S. economy have been part-time jobs.

    #3 The number of full-time workers in the United States is still nearly 6 million below the old record that was set back in 2007.

    #4 It is hard to believe, but an astounding 53 percent of all American workers now make less than $30,000 a year.

    #5 40 percent of all workers in the United States actually make less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968.

    #6 When the Obama era began, the average duration of unemployment in this country was 19.8 weeks. Today, it is 36.6 weeks.

    #7 During the first four years of Obama, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” soared by an astounding 8,332,000. That far exceeds any previous four year total.

    #8 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.

    #9 When Obama was elected, the homeownership rate in the United States was 67.5 percent. Today, it is 65.0 percent. That is the lowest that it has been in 18 years.

    #10 When Obama entered the White House, the mortgage delinquency rate was 7.85 percent. Today, it is 9.72 percent.

    #11 In 2008, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 268 billion dollars. Last year, it was 315 billion dollars.

    #12 When Obama first became president, 12.5 million Americans had manufacturing jobs. Today, only 11.9 million Americans have manufacturing jobs.

    #13 Median household income in America has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span.

    #14 The poverty rate has shot up to 16.1 percent. That is actually higher than when the War on Poverty began in 1965.

    #15 During Obama’s first term, the number of Americans on food stamps increased by an average of about 11,000 per day.

    #16 When Barack Obama entered the White House, there were about 32 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million Americans on food stamps.

    #17 At this point, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. This is the first time that has ever happened in our history. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.

    #18 When Barack Obama took office, the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline was $1.85. Today, it is $3.53.

    #19 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.

    #20 Health insurance costs have risen by 29 percent since Barack Obama became president, and Obamacare is going to make things far worse.

    #21 The United States has fallen in the global economic competitiveness rankings compiled by the World Economic Forum for four years in a row.

    #22 According to economist Tim Kane, the following is how the number of startup jobs per 1000 Americans breaks down by presidential administration…

    Bush Sr.: 11.3

    Clinton: 11.2

    Bush Jr.: 10.8

    Obama: 7.8

    #23 In 2008, that total amount of student loan debt in this country was 440 billion dollars. At this point, it has shot up to about a trillion dollars.

    #24 According to one recent survey, 76 percent of all Americans are living paycheck to paycheck.

    #25 During Obama’s first term, the number of Americans collecting federal disability insurance rose by more than 18 percent.

    #26 The total amount of money that the federal government gives directly to the American people has grown by 32 percent since Barack Obama became president.

    #27 According to the Survey of Income and Program Participation conducted by the U.S. Census, well over 100 million Americans are enrolled in at least one welfare program run by the federal government.

    #28 As I wrote about the other day, American households are now receiving more money directly from the federal government than they are paying to the government in taxes.

    #29 Under Barack Obama, the velocity of money (a very important indicator of economic health) has plunged to a post-World War II low.

    #30 At the end of 2008, the Federal Reserve held $475.9 billion worth of U.S. Treasury bonds. Today, Fed holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds have skyrocketed past the 2 trillion dollar mark.

    #31 When Barack Obama was first elected, the U.S. debt to GDP ratio was under 70 percent. Today, it is up to 101 percent.

    #32 During Obama’s first term, the federal government accumulated more new debt than it did under the first 42 U.S presidents combined.

    #33 When you break it down, the amount of new debt accumulated by the U.S. government during Obama’s first term comes to approximately $50,521 for every single household in the United States. Are you able to pay your share?

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/33-shocking-facts-which-show-how-the-u-s-economy-has-tanked-since-obama-became-president

  5. benevolus says:

    100 co-sponsors- I reckon it’s pretty easy to sign on to something you know you will never actually have to vote on. Kind of like double-talk- appease the base but minimize the blowback.

  6. saltycracker says:

    Tom Graves said it best – you shouldn’t have loaned us the money when you knew we didn’t make enough to pay it back….
    And my cousin told Visa their problem with him was their fault – his limit was too low.

    Unfortunately to talk about controlling expenses is met with threats to cut in all the wrong places.
    LI
    mit spending to a% of GDP and THEN duke it out.

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