Loud & Clear: Loudermilk In.

April 20, 2013 11:31 am

by Jessica Szilagyi · 69 comments

In a surprising announcement to absolutely no one, Barry Loudermilk formally announced his candidacy for Congressional District 11 this morning at the 11th district convention. He joins Bob Barr and Edward Lindsey. His official press release is below.

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

SATURDAY, APRIL 20 2013

Loudermilk Announces Congressional Campaign

MARIETTA, GA — State Senator Barry Loudermilk announced his candidacy for the U.S. Congress  at the 11th District Republican Convention in Marietta today.

“Washington has lost it’s way – taxes, regulations and deficits are out of control — but I believe that we can set this nation back on course,” Loudermilk said. “Most of you know me because we have served in the trenches together.  Before I was elected to the State House and then Senate, I was Bartow County GOP Chairman.  I’ve labored alongside so many of you as a grassroots worker – putting out the signs, licking envelopes and doing the hard work that has made us successful.  If we felt our party went astray, we did not abandon it; we worked harder to get it back on track.  We were – and are – in this together.”

Biography of Senator Barry Loudermilk

Senator Barry Loudermilk is a Constitutional Conservative, currently serving in the Georgia State Senate.

Sen. Loudermilk serves as Chair to the Senate Science and Technology Committee and as Secretary to the Veterans, Military and Homeland Security and Public Safety Committees.  He is also a member of the Senate Transportation Committee.

Sen. Loudermilk first entered elected public service in 2001, serving as chairman to the Bartow County Republican Party until 2004.  He was then elected to the State House, where he served from 2004-2010.  Barry was elected to the State Senate in 2010.  Some of his recognitions as a legislator include, Georgia Wing Legislator of the Year and National Legislator of the Year by the Civil Air Patrol (2006 and 2012), Legislator of the Year by Advocates for Children (2007), “50 Most Influential Georgians” by James Magazine (2008), Sanctity of Life Award by the Bartow Republican Women’s Club (2010), Legislator of the Year by Technology Association of Georgia (2011), American Conservative Union “Defender of Liberty” Award (2012).

Barry is a native of Georgia.  He holds an Associate degree in Telecommunications Technology and a Bachelor of Science in Occupational Education and Information Systems Technology.  Sen. Loudermilk proudly served in the U.S. Air Force for eight years.

Sen. Loudermilk is a member of the NRA, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association and the American Legion.  He is a Lt. Colonel in the Civil Air Patrol, active in the Rome Composite Squadron and Commander of the Georgia Legislative Squadron.

Barry is a small business owner and a motivational speaker on American history, the Constitution, and our nation’s Christian heritage, and is on the Board of Directors for Barley Loaf Ministries and Firm Reliance. Barry recently published a book called “And Then They Prayed” featuring stories from America’ history. Barry and his wife Desiree have been married for 30 years. They reside in Cassville, Georgia, and have three grown children.

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Any other takers?

Bartow Politics April 20, 2013 at 11:40 am

Here is a video of Sen. Loudermilk’s announcement: http://youtu.be/IQAvWxzq69U

xdog April 20, 2013 at 1:22 pm

I don’t know from Loudermilk so I looked him up. He favors personhood, lower taxes, and locking up illegals. He’s against government intervention in business, moratoriums on drilling for gas and oil, and “the liberal Atlanta mindset”, by which he means gay marriage. He supported Newt in last year’s primary. In 2010 he accepted $3000 from something called ‘Friends for Chip Rogers’.

For those who know him better, is that a fair summary? Regardless of his views, is he a man of substance or merely another hack looking to better himself?

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Barry_Loudermilk

George Chidi April 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm

I think his views are sincere and deeply held. I also think he’s a fundamentalist Christian theocrat to the right of even Paul Broun — so far out of the mainstream to the right of the electorate that he could conceivably open the seat up to a well-funded moderate Democrat.

Noway April 20, 2013 at 3:45 pm

If you want a moderate Dem who actually represented this district back in the day, call Buddy Darden. He was a good guy who actually was beaten by Barr. He tried a comeback in 2002 but was beaten by Roger Kahn. Don’t know if he could still raise cash but he’d be a good Dem.

xdog April 20, 2013 at 9:14 pm

Thanks for the response George. I disagree on one point–he may in fact be to the right of Broun theocratically, but there’s no way Broun will let himself be presented that way, not if he can help it.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 21, 2013 at 7:35 am

Mr. Chidi, seeing as though the 11th is a pretty thoroughly-conservative district, it is highly-unlikely that a Democrat could even be competitive, much less win, in that district at this juncture.

George Chidi April 21, 2013 at 11:56 am

You may be right. It’s probably one of the most conservative districts in America. I have no doubt that Loudermilk can win a primary … and probably will win the primary. And I think it is more likely than not that he will win election. But we are talking about a man who penned a screed about throwing non-Christians out of the country a few years that is widely circulated and repurposed by Christian dominionists and reconstructionists as a manifesto and as an example of the worst of right-wing crazy by everyone else. This is a man that claims — despite voluminous evidence to the contrary and the conventional view of historians for the last 200 years or so — that the “entire” Constitution is based on Isiah 33:22.

Loudermilk is an absolutist on abortion: as I understand it, he introduced legislation to define life as “the moment of conception.” That’s an applause line for fundamentalist Christians and about as far outside of the mainstream as you can get for everyone else, particularly moderate career women in Cobb County. The Todd Akin moment awaits.

Here’s my thing: there are plenty of legislators in this state who have deeply-held fundamentalist Christian beliefs. For most, these views may inform their legislative approach but do not define it. Most are focused on the nuts-and-bolts issues of the day: tax policy, transportation, school quality, public safety, environmental management, economic development, et cetera. Loudermilk appears to have made his bones primarily on ideological issues.

Loudermilk: how many chairs away from Chip Rogers was he seated at the infamous “Agenda 21″ briefing about the looming threat of a UN takeover of the United States?

If I were a primary opponent, I might argue that Loudermilk would shove the district into Michele Bachmann territory. Unless he has a fundamental change of posture toward governance, I suspect his extremism will cause Congress as a body to isolate him out of a sense of political survival, as it has done with Bachmann, who apparently has had neither a bill nor a resolution she’s sponsored signed into law, nor chaired a committee or subcommittee.

Noway April 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm

George, are you referring to his “Prayed..” book?

George Chidi April 21, 2013 at 2:10 pm

Some of it is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0Pgi9c1-Ssw

Some of it is in “And Then They Prayed …” excerpts of which can be found all over the web. His appearance at the Agenda 21 meetings was cited by the AJC. The invitation for Muslims to leave America is actually the subject of a Snopes article after someone in Australia repurposed it in some legislative debate there. http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/likeitorleaveit.asp

Noway April 22, 2013 at 7:16 am

I read the letter to the editor he wrote, George, and I can’t say that I’d call it a screed. His views on abortion might not get him many women votes, but his passioned defense of his country in a time of attack and in an era of political correctness was a breath of fresh air to me. And I had heard the similar comments made by the former Australian PM and agreed with every word.

Lea Thrace April 22, 2013 at 7:22 am

Just a note. The Australiam PM never made those comments.

Lea Thrace April 22, 2013 at 7:22 am

Urgh.

*Australian*

Noway April 22, 2013 at 7:32 am

Leah, I do remember some Australian official making similar comments. Do you know which official it was?

George Chidi April 22, 2013 at 9:08 am

Someone took Loudermilk’s polemic from the Internet, changed the name of the author and recirculated it as though it had been said by the Australian prime minister, Julia Gillard. Which is, of course, ridiculous: Gillard is an atheist.

Noway April 22, 2013 at 9:11 am

Didn’t some other official, not Gillard, make some remarks similar to Barry’s, though?

Lea Thrace April 22, 2013 at 10:04 am

Nope. Not that I can find. Only references track back to Loudermilk’s open letter.

Noway April 22, 2013 at 1:08 pm

You know, in light of recent events and the general mood of the Repub side of the isle, I think Loudermilk should dust off his 2001 letter and post it again. His grassroots folks would eat it up! As others have pointed out, the 11th is predominately Repub, so it won’t hurt him there. Hell, reprint it in a fundraising letter and see the money roll in.

mpierce April 21, 2013 at 2:23 pm

about as far outside of the mainstream as you can get for everyone else

While I don’t support “moment of conception” legislation, it’s not further outside the mainstream than opposing BAIPA.

George Chidi April 21, 2013 at 2:33 pm

Perhaps. The circumstances under which the born-alive provision would be relevant are quite rare. The circumstances under which Loudermilk’s conception rule would be relevant are universal. But … I prefer not to dive into an abortion debate on a lovely day like today.

Noway April 22, 2013 at 7:23 am

Born alive after an abortion attempt might be rare but it does happen. Do you support trying to save a baby in such circumstances?

George Chidi April 22, 2013 at 9:09 am

My personal views about abortion are largely irrelevant, since I don’t expect I’ll ever have one.

Noway April 22, 2013 at 9:13 am

But in the circumstance of a live birth do you support trying to save the child, whether or not you’re able to have one or not?

mpierce April 22, 2013 at 10:12 am

Gallop abortion polls

Many dems favor legal partial-birth abortions which is further outside the mainstream and less extreme than opposing BAIPA. Odd the MSM doesn’t put that extreme front and center come election time.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 21, 2013 at 4:51 pm

“It’s probably one of the most conservative districts in America….If I were a primary opponent, I might argue that Loudermilk would shove the district into Michele Bachmann territory.”

…That’s the thing, GOP primaries in that extremely-conservative district are more than likely to be dominated by the farthest-right of the political spectrum. Because of this, any potential primary opponent is likely to play-up their conservatism rather than make any mention of moderation.

George Chidi April 21, 2013 at 5:02 pm

Of course, we live in a state with no pre-registration of party in the primaries, and probably not much happening on the D side of the ticket. I can imagine someone pulling crossover votes as a defensive measure. Obama earned 30 percent of the vote there.

I can imagine a debate among those Democrats about whether it would be better to protect themselves from Loudermilk by voting for a moderate opponent in the primary … or voting for Loudermilk as a gamble that he would be so unpalatable to a general electorate that he’s beatable. Depends on what happens in the primary leadup, I suspect.

JayJacket April 22, 2013 at 9:40 am

George, what are you talking about?

The people who dominate the primary ARE THE SAME PEOPLE who vote in the general. The 11th district is so conservative that a Democrat does not stand a chance, regardless of how attractive his message or how moderate his platform. If I recall correctly, the 11th tilts something like R+20. The worst imaginable Republican candidate would still carry this district by a safe margin.

George Chidi April 22, 2013 at 10:30 am

Yes. Republicans dominate the district. But a bit more than one in four voters in the district is a Democrat. Primaries in off-year elections are thinly-attended affairs. It’s a competitive race, and there will be lots of attention, but primary turnout is still probably going to be under 25 percent. Normally, that turnout would be dominate by the most motivated primary voters — the hardest of the hard-core conservatives.

But, suppose for the sake of discussion, Loudermilk is exposed as a Todd Akin clone — someone considered unusually, extremely unpalatable to traditional Democratic voting blocs. Democratic voters are a minority in the district, but could be enough to swing a primary away from Loudermilk and toward a centrist Republican, were they so encouraged by an “anybody but Loudermilk” movement. If half of the Democratic primary electorate in the district pulled a Republican ballot … well, that’s 15 percent of the vote, enough perhaps allow a Republican primary competitor to beat Loudermilk.

That’s what I’m talking about.

JayJacket April 22, 2013 at 12:59 pm

I suppose this is possible in theory, but the reality is it would require an organized effort by someone (whom? I don’t know – a moderate Republican candidate would be taking a big risk by working to attract Democrats to a Republican primary and there’s no Democratic organization to speak of in the 11th district) that likely won’t materialize.

Look at Paul Broun’s district, for example. Ideologically, he probably occupies a space further right than Loudermilk, and the tone/content of his message is much more unappealing to Democrats and moderate Republicans, yet he still cruised in his primary and later general election. When you consider that Broun won handily with more Democrats in his district and active Democrat organizations working against him, the idea that Democrats could produce enough votes to impact the outcome in the 11th Republican primary seems like a stretch to me.

Then again, with Barr in the race, there’s sure to be fireworks (and plenty of surprises).

Jawgadude April 20, 2013 at 2:35 pm

Barry is probably one of the nicest & most honorable men to ever run for office in Georgia. That said, while he will have the support of much of the grassroots in the district – he CANNOT raise money. Pull his state senate campaign disclosures. He’s never raised more than a few 1000 bucks.

Noway April 20, 2013 at 7:04 pm

Jawga, has he had the need to raise real cash in the past for his races? You have me curious as to what the reason may be for his lack of real money in the past? How do you see him in relation to Lindsey, who I admittedly know nothing about, in the cash raising effort?

JayJacket April 20, 2013 at 9:48 pm

Except for Barr, money will be raised largely based on geography and previous electoral connections. You’ll find (as will Loudermilk) there is hardly any money to be raised in Bartow outside of Cartersville, and whatever he can raise there will not be nearly enough to sufficiently introduce him to voters in the district’s most expensive media markets, Cobb and Fulton. Cherokee is also a fundraising bust, especially the western part that Loudermilk represents. For all of these reasons, I doubt Loudermilk has the ability to raise enough funds to make it to the primary runoff.

By contrast, Lindsey has represented Buckhead and will have support from the Fulton GOP donors (wouldn’t surprise me if some Roswell donors jump in, because this open seat represents an opportunity to shift the center of power from Cobb to Fulton). Also expect him to have some additional support by virtue of being House leadership.

With potentially two Cobb candidates in Barr and Pridemore, I don’t yet have any idea how things shake out there.

NorthGeorgiaGirl April 20, 2013 at 10:40 pm

You are forgetting that Loudermilk actually currently represents Bartow, Cobb and Cherokee, so he has three counties to pull from for fundraising, and remains very popular in Floyd. There is no reason that a candidate has to be tied to his or her home county for fundraising, no matter what the conventional wisdom might say.

Lindsey basically insulted all the rural portions of the district with his comment about going to Cartersville and needing to change his name to “Bubba”…so I don’t really think the Buckhead attorney will play well in either Bartow or Cherokee, no matter how much money he raises.

Jawgadude April 20, 2013 at 11:37 pm

Good analysis JayJacket- Barr will be able to raise a lot of money outside the district and Tricia may be able to tap Nathan Deal’s network. There are big bucks to be gleaned from Buckhead, so Lindsey should be well greased. Loudermilk, Lindsey and Tricia will have to spend a lot of cash just to buy the name recognition Barr already has. Plus with guns being such a huge issue, and Barr being a NRA board member and also already having a huge pro-gun reputation from his previous congressional stint, he has to be the frontrunner, but Bob also has some baggage.

Edward Lindsey April 20, 2013 at 11:25 pm

I welcome my friend Barry Loudermilk to the campaign for Congress. This race will not be about geography or money — although I recognize the temptation to discuss such thing 16 months before the primary. It will be about who can best represent the interest of all of the people of the 11th District in Congress. I look forward to this campaign against Bob, Barry and anyone else who should enter the race, and remind all my Republican friends that no matter who we support today that there is more that unites us than divides us. In the end, we must unite to move forward with a conservative agenda that takes on the problems that face our society and shows that when Republicans govern our nation thrives. Let the campaign begin.

Ghost of William F Buckley April 21, 2013 at 11:59 am

Keeping it classy and not violating the 11th Commandment* ought to be the watchword(s) in this campaign.

*Thou shalt not fault fellow Conservatives.

BTW, Georgia Chidi nails his description of Rep. Loudermilk, “fundamentalist Christian theocrat,” which may be exactly what this District seeks. If so, their Rep. will be so safely out of the mainstream that he or she can do little harm.

northside101 April 21, 2013 at 4:41 pm

Some info on CD 11:
(1) GENERAL ELECTIONS:
2012 President–Romney 67%, Obama 31%, Johnson (Libertarian) 2%
2012 Congress–Gingrey 69%, Thompson [D] 31%

(2) PRIMARIES:
July 2010 GOP Primary for Governor–Handel 38%, Deal 21%, Eric Johnson 21%, John Oxendine 16%
August 2010 GOP Primary for Governor–Handel 53%, Deal 47%
March 2012 GOP Presidential Primary–Gingrich 47%, Romney 29%, Santorum 17%, Ron Paul 7%
Gingrich ran the best in CD 11 in Bartow (56%) and worst in Fulton (26%)—Romney doing just the opposite, his worst in Bartow (18%) and best in the Fulton portion (61%).
July 2012 GOP Congressional Primary–Gingrey 81%, Opitz 10%, Llop 9%. Interstingly, even through Cobb is the largest county in CD 11, in this contest, more votes were cast in Cherokee (36,863) than in the Cobb portion (36,283)–even though Cobb has far more people in CD 11 than does Cherokee

(3) VOTER REGISTRATION (NOV 2012 GENERAL): 404,650 active registered voters—15% Black, 74% White, 1% Asian, 2% Hispanic and 8% others.

mpierce April 21, 2013 at 5:08 pm

Thanks for the info. FYI there were more Cobb (45,169) primary votes than Cherokee (39,599) in CD11 if you include Dem ballot. Cobb between Powder Springs Rd and 285 has a fairly high Dem population.

John Konop April 21, 2013 at 7:42 pm

I live on the district, and at this point I would support Edward Lindsey. We may not always agree, but he is a very smart guy. I do think, he would do the best job of the three. I do think for him to win he must get more visible in Cherokee…….Brandon Beach did a very good job getting to know the people, as well as working the local groups in the county.

Bob Barr has highest name recognition, but that has high positives and negatives….people are already in his camp or out…..

Loudermilk has gone the furthest to the right on social issues…..once again like Bob……he will have his crowd as well as alienate people……

That is why Lindsey has a good chance…..a fiscally conservative message…….without the fire……could win at the end of the day……just my 10 cents…..I do not think Lindesy can out scream fire…….verse Bob and Loudermilk……

Three Jack April 22, 2013 at 10:17 am

The problem for your scenario John is the number of beckerheads in the district who vote strictly on who will do the most to impose new regulations against women, gays and hispanics. Loudermilk is and will continue to be the man for those folks and unfortunately, they come out in droves for primaries.

Hopefully there are other choices before next year because if this is what we are stuck with from the GOP, it will be difficult picking the least evil out of this bunch.

Noway April 22, 2013 at 10:23 am

Is there a particular guy you’d like to see run on the Repub side, TJ, that might be that lesser evil?

Three Jack April 22, 2013 at 1:58 pm

Not really Noway, at least not any of the career politicians rumored to be in the mix. I hope someone from the business community will take a gander, but the cost of entry will be high with all the PAC/lobbyist supported pols already lining up. Kind of disheartening actually that an open seat like this one is likely to be filled by another good ol boy funded by special interest groups.

Cloverhurst April 21, 2013 at 11:31 pm

I agree with John, the Beach reference is right on. How many people did he know there when he ran against Chip Rogers, yet he invested time and got 13,000 votes.

Republicans in Cherokee County turn out to vote in droves. Would be a good thing for all the candidates to invest time there.

Chuck Shiflett April 22, 2013 at 12:00 am

Lindsey and Loudermilk each voted for the Internet Sales Tax in 2012… enough for me to look elsewhere for a candidate.

Noway April 22, 2013 at 7:19 am

Chuck, what chances do you give Loudermilk? And what chances do you give Barr?

Three Jack April 22, 2013 at 4:34 pm

Then Lindsey and Loudermilk support Obama’s call for higher taxes — http://www.politico.com/politico44/?hp=44

Good luck with that in the 11th.

Bill Arp April 22, 2013 at 3:44 pm

Lindsey has no shot at this race. He may be able to raise money but his a Buckhead trial lawyer is not real welcome when he comes past Marietta in his 7 series BMW and a 3 piece suit. The medical community is gonna hate to lose Gingrey in this seat and certainly does not want it to go to a trial lawyer. Barr is a joke, his name ID only allows people to remember his flip flopping on issues and his cameo on Borat supporting de-criminalization of Mary Jane. Pridemore will not get in race, her closet has more skeletons than the monster plantation at six flags.

This is a slam dunk for Loudermilk. He will have a tough time raising money but he has an organization that can gotv. He is also ethically crystal clean and a strong conservative voice that matches the make-up of the district. It’s rare when you have a normal everyday person that’s trying to do the right thing actually being considered for congress.

Edward Lindsey April 22, 2013 at 10:25 pm

Well. Well. Well. I regret I will not be able to respond to every post regarding the 11th District Congressional race but I must admit that I found Bill’s comments amusing. Let me set a few facts straight. I don’t own a three piece suit. I drive a Jeep. And, most important, my law practice defends businesses, professionals including doctors, churches, private schools, homeowners, and individuals when they are sued by plaintiff’s lawyers. For that reason, I think I’ll compete well throughout the district.

Bill did one thing squarely right. Barry is a good guy. I’d like to think most folks who know me think the same of me. Sometimes in political fights mutual respect gets lost but if our party is to grow we will have to do it by addition and multiplication and not division and subtraction. I am running for Congress in the hope of re instilling that point of view into the public discourse.

Take care and good evening.

Bill Arp April 24, 2013 at 5:03 pm

Thanks for clearing up any of my misconceptions. My real point is that it’s gonna be tough for a trial lawyer from Buckhead to get much traction in such a rural district. I would have thought Tom Price’s seat would be a much better fit for Mr. Lindsey. And I also must say that calling a trial lawyers office in Buckhead a small business is not gonna be taken well from the business community in district 11 that fights ever day to make a living in this district. Most people in this district come home with dirt under their fingers, sweat on their brow, and not enough money in their pocket. I am not sure if a trial lawyer from Buckhead would understand this……

John Konop April 24, 2013 at 6:04 pm

Bill ,

You are flat out wrong! You obviously do not live in Cherokee county. The county has become a bed room white collar community. The 2012 high school class at Woodstock had the highest SAT scores in the state. Downtown Woodstock is very upscale now…..Downton Canton has very high end restuarants now…..in fact I would put the Down Town Kitchen up against the best places in BuckHead……and we have numerous places like this in Cherokee now…..

We do have some rural parts, but you are living in the past……

George Chidi April 24, 2013 at 6:44 pm

I’m with John here. Cherokee has shades of Gwinnett circa 1999 going on right now. The fact that it weathered the downturn as well as it did may point to a fundamental shift in posture.

That said … Cherokee needs federal transportation funding. If it grows in any meaningful way as the economy rebounds, 575 and the major arteries off of it just isn’t going to cut it. I’ll be quite interested in hearing a congressional candidate square the parochial concerns about transportation spending against the Tea Party ethos against spending.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 24, 2013 at 11:51 pm

Good comments, though because they have often shared federal and state legislative representatives with Cobb and North Fulton, it appears that Cherokee has probably traditionally leaned on its more highly-populated and politically-influential neighbors for transportation funding.

Dave Bearse April 25, 2013 at 12:42 am

Transportation Funding?

Not to worry. Cherokee County will be second only to Cobb County as the biggest beneficiary of transportation funding over at least a score of years in the form of I-75 / I-575 HOT lanes, with the extra benefit that all Georgia taxpayers will be subsidizing HOT lane operations to boot. Any it only makes sense that GRTA increase make the most of the investment by increasing state-subsidized Xpress bus operations..

It remains to be confirmed if its ethos against spending, or ethos against spending elsewhere or on other priorities. After all, we heard about local control for 20 years, only to learn it was that was an abbreviation for GOP local control.

mpierce April 25, 2013 at 7:03 pm

The 2012 high school class at Woodstock had the highest SAT scores in the state.

Not even close.

Northview High School (Fulton): 1769
Walton High School (Cobb): 1743
Johns Creek High School (Fulton): 1729
Milton High School (Fulton): 1681
Roswell High School (Fulton): 1677
Chattahoochee High School (Fulton): 1674
Alpharetta High School (Fulton): 1660
Pope High School (Cobb): 1645
Lassiter High School (Cobb): 1636
McIntosh High School (Fayett): 1633
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Woodstock High School: 1576

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 25, 2013 at 8:30 pm

Interesting that of the high schools with the 10-highest SAT scores on the list, 6 are in North Fulton, 3 are in East Cobb and 1 is in Fayette.

mpierce April 25, 2013 at 8:55 pm

Got that list from a post on another site. It was listed as Top 10 in Metro Atlanta.

Other Top scores
Gwinnett School of Mathematics Science and Technology: 1941
John S Davidson Fine Arts Magnet School: 1721
Commerce High School: 1704
Savannah Arts Academy: 1646

SAT scores: http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/Curriculum-Instruction-and-Assessment/Curriculum-and-Instruction/Documents/COLLEGE%20READINESS/2012%20SAT%20by%20school%209-24-12.pdf

ACT scores: http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/Curriculum-Instruction-and-Assessment/Curriculum-and-Instruction/Documents/2012%20SCHOOL%20-LEVEL%20COMPOSITE%20AND%20CORE%20ACT%20SCORES%20FOR%20Georgia_2012_Public_Schools_.pdf

John, Woodstock HS is #31 on the SAT list.

John Konop April 26, 2013 at 9:26 am

I apologize It was the county which is number 1 in the state, not Wodstock………. All five high schools were in the top 8%……..statically one would not refer to results like this as not even being close……

Cherokee County SAT scores: Highest in state followed by Fulton, Oconee, Decatur and Forsyth

……….Cherokee County sent out a release on its 2012 SAT scores, which, for all three testing areas, are the state’s highest……….

………..Among 450 high schools in Georgia, all five CCSD high schools ranked in the top 8 percent. Etowah HS was 16 in the state……..

http://blogs.ajc.com/get-schooled-blog/2012/09/27/cherokee-county-sat-scores-highest-in-state-followed-by-fulton-oconee-decatur-and-forsyth/

mpierce April 26, 2013 at 10:37 am

Congrats to CCSD for a job well done!

.statically one would not refer to results like this as not even being close

Obvoiusly, the “not even close” was referring to Woodstock HS and #1 comment.
#1 Gwinnett School of Mathematics Science and Technology: 1941
#31 Woodstock High School: 1576

John Konop April 26, 2013 at 10:57 am

Not really fair to compare a math and science high school to the general population high school…..below would be a better way to compare high achieving students………………I would bet the top students in Cherokee had very similar score on the SAT……You need scores like that to get into top colleges……..I am a big fan of having specialized schools like Gwinnett School of Mathematics Science and Technology….. for kids based on aptitude……ie vocational, Arts, Math and Science………..Cherokee is moving in that direction……

………Local high schools make state AP honors lists

……….CCSD students took 2,325 AP tests in 2010 across 23 courses, with 72 percent scoring high enough to earn college credit. The Georgia rate for earning credit in 2010 was 53 percent, and the national rate was 58 percent…….

http://www.ledgernews.com/news/weekly_news/local-high-schools-make-state-ap-honors-lists/article_15180651-f6c8-5336-b133-96a464e11e0c.html

mpierce April 26, 2013 at 11:35 am

My understanding is that GSMST gets its student through a lottery instead of hand-picking them. So that’s not like taking the top students from other schools. Do you know of any aptitude test required to get into GSMST?

#2 Northview High School (Fulton): 1769
#31 Woodstock High School: 1576

They weren’t close to #2 either.

AP Merit Schools: Schools with at least 20% of the student population taking AP exams and at least 50% of all AP exams earning scores of three (3) or higher.
47 schools listed – None from CCSD

John Konop April 24, 2013 at 6:08 pm

Btw Brandon Beach did an excellent job of gaining votes from all parts of the county……he had a very low key, but rational message……if Ed did the same thing he would have a good chance……

Bill Arp April 24, 2013 at 8:09 pm

John and George, if you think that Buckhead and canton are similar you obviously have not been there. And for that matter, I am disgusted that you would claim Gwinett County is somehow a more sophisticated place than Cherokee county. 56 percent of this district is in Bartow and Cherokee counties, these counties are proud of their hometown areas, as they should be.
Bartow counties website was previously notatlanta.org. A Buckhead trial lawyer would do well in a more urban district but not the 11th.

George Chidi April 24, 2013 at 8:45 pm

No, Buckhead is nothing like Canton. But Canton’s development pattern, economic pattern and demographic pattern sure does look like Gwinnett’s did 10 or 15 years ago. The only difference this time around will be the absence of sprawl, because there will be no compliant state and federal government to facilitate it with sprawling infrastructure. Woodstock is going to grow, fast. The rest will grow slowly.

Sophisticated? Gwinnett? Cherokee? Nothing personal, but me thinks y’all doth protest too much.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 24, 2013 at 11:21 pm

Mr. Chidi, I agree with your analysis, though it might be more accurate to compare how Canton is today to how Gwinnett was 30 years ago as one has to go back to the mid 1980’s to find a time when Gwinnett’s demographics were similar to how Cherokee’s are today.

John Konop April 24, 2013 at 10:53 pm

Bill,

Nice spin, but let’s deal in facts!

One you said Cherokee is a “rural” county, and I said it was a bedroom community…..

Fact medium household income is close to 70k a year. Once again, you either do not know the area or you on the spin team for a candidate. Facts are facts…..

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 24, 2013 at 11:00 pm

@ Bill Arp April 24, 2013 at 8:09 pm-

Gwinnett is a more sophisticated place than still outer-suburban Cherokee, but not necessarily in a snobbish way as Gwinnett (842,000) has nearly 4 times the population of Cherokee (221,000).

Formerly-suburban Gwinnett also has much more traffic, crime, poverty, illegal immigration and many more urban issues than Cherokee.

George Chidi April 25, 2013 at 12:38 am

I would also argue that Gwinnett has better infrastructure, greater employment opportunities, a good school system that’s still accessible by working class residents, better food (MUCH better food, actually — the Buford Highway corridor ought to be marketed as a foodie tourist attraction and is the most likely place in the South to eventually produce something akin to the hamburger, the martini or the subway sandwich in terms of American food culture — I would vote for a local take on churros or maduros plantains, but it might end up being a Korean-Atlantan barbecue hybrid), better nightlife, and a local culture attractive to tech folks from out of state (read: not from the old South.)

I have three big knocks on Gwinnett. It has no sense of itself as a distinct community, it attracts achievement-oriented people — which helps get stuff done but perversely breeds a tolerance for corner-cutting on ethical issues — and its small-c conservative social culture has a natural dampening effect on innovation and artistic experimentation.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 25, 2013 at 1:15 am

Good observations, though I wouldn’t necessarily be so hard on Gwinnett as much the same can be said about much of metro Atlanta.

Also, the arts have been on the rise in Gwinnett, particularly in historic Downtown Buford which has a small, but thriving artists scene.
http://www.tanneryrowartistcolony.com/welcome/

Bill Arp April 25, 2013 at 9:24 am

My point is simple. Mr. Lindsey is from Buckhead Atlanta. Most of this district will not want to represented by a trial lawyer from Atlanta. One of the main reasons people live outside the perimeter is because they do not like the lifestyle of Atlanta. The vast majority of this district cannot relate to the Buckhead trial lawyer. This district is OTP and some people on this board have the opinion that geography does not matter. Only a political novice would adopt this ideology.

If Mr. Lindsey expects to have any traction he better get out of the traffic in Atlanta, and see if he can find his way north of 285.

The Last Democrat in Georgia April 25, 2013 at 3:55 pm

Most of the district is OTP, but much of the district, particularly inside I-285, in Cobb along the Highway 41 corridor and into Southern Cherokee is also densely-populated and full of more moderate suburban voters who might be more attracted to a moderate conservative like Lindsey.

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