#Filibuster Open Thread

March 6, 2013 20:15 pm

by Bridget Cantrell · 15 comments

UPDATE: @SenRandPaul ends #filibuster at 12:39 a.m. ET March 7 after starting it at 11:47 a.m. March 6 #standwithrand

Are you guys watching Sen Rand Paul on C-SPAN?  He’s filibustin’ a move.  Heh.

Sen Ted Cruz, who was quite literally standing with Sen. Rand Paul several hours into his filibuster over the nomination of John Brennan for CIA director, relieved his colleague by reciting a selection of #StandWithRand tweets.

Nathan March 6, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Rick Day March 6, 2013 at 9:24 pm

This issue scares the hell out of me.

Because I agree with the GOP on this issue 100%.

So why did these guys vote to fund the drone program, if they suddenly get the hot’s to drop.

Give Rand a drone with full armament, a joystick and some brownskins to target. He’ll come around…

seenbetrdayz March 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm

Probably because 99% of the people in washington have no idea what’s in a bill when they vote on it.

They read the title, which is usually something like, “The Keep America Safe and Hug Babies Act” and everyone thinks, “Oh, I don’t want to be seen not supporting that.”

The next thing you know, some guy in the White House is playing judge, jury, and executioner with a joystick and a laptop computer.

Three Jack March 6, 2013 at 10:27 pm

Really Rick, ‘target some brownskins’…the man has done more in 10 hrs to express freedom for all than ‘brownskin’ BHO has done in 5 yrs as prez.

Senator Paul is carrying out one of the more political savvy moves I have seen in my lifetime. Anybody who would attempt to accuse him of racism just doesn’t get it.

seenbetrdayz March 7, 2013 at 11:43 am

I think Rick’s statement was tongue-in-cheek.

Meaning, Rand is one of those rogue GOPer’s who needs to be reminded that the GOP’s philosophy is “kill everything while chanting USA-USA-USA. praise God. Amen.”

“he’ll come around.”

Three Jack March 7, 2013 at 4:52 pm

You’re probably correct, my bad Rick.

Stefan March 7, 2013 at 1:11 am

Ended at 12:40. Well done, I say. I love a good filibuster. He got a little habeus confusion there in the middle but 12 hours, I doff my cap.

John Konop March 7, 2013 at 5:19 am

I heard a great debate on this drone issue. One of the best points is war has been ugly for ever…..ie Bombing cities, burning cities………lots of civilian casualties…….a drone is much more surgical, and does way less civilian casualties than prior methods used in war……finally the drone strategy leaves less of footprint on a country ie straight out of ” Art of War ” never want to be viewed as occupying a country……never good in the long run…..

Ghost of William F Buckley March 7, 2013 at 9:03 am

Good comment, as usual, Mr. Konop. Few can stomach the horrors of human conflict, and the idea of vaporizing two boys, 12 and 16 years old, runs against our sense of fair play, as explained here:

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/confirmation-hearing-killer-drones-master

Yet, the “War is Heck” Department offers a view that exposes the cold calculus of 21st Century asymmetrical warfare:

“… [Brennan] he now has doubts after reading the 300-page summary of a recently completed intelligence committee report on the interrogation and detention program. Brennan told the senators a number of things in the Senate report were “very concerning and disturbing” to him. …

Brennan was asked by Sen. Saxby Chambliss, ranking Republican on the committee, why he didn’t try to stop the interrogations if he objected to them. He responded that he was aware of the program and personally objected to parts of it, but didn’t take action to stop it because his job as deputy executive director did not put him “in the chain of command” for the program.”

And finally, “… Brennan took exception to the charge he was responsible for the Yemen leak, which is being investigated by the Justice Department.

When Sen. Jim Risch, R-Idaho, bluntly said, “it seems to me that the leak that (the) Justice Department is looking for is right here in front of us,” Brennan said he “vehemently disagreed.” He added he voluntarily was interviewed by prosecutors and was told he is considered a witness and not a suspect.”

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2013/02/07/five-things-we-learned-from-john-brennans-confirmation-hearing/

In Vietnam, LURPS used terror techniques that gained them fear and respect by the VC (that would be the enemy, for the YouTube generation), yet little ignominy at home. I bet those hard men would have preferred to do their un-Godly Duty at home, with a joystick, instead of having to live with their actions, each day, until they die.

Times have changed, killing has gone digital, but dead is still dead.

Dave Bearse March 11, 2013 at 9:17 am

I know you deplore the loss of life. Don’t construe this as advocating for traditional war. It’s more about unintended consequences.

The visitation of ugliness of war is one of the things that deters it. We’ve seen how the war in Iraq was so easily engaged and went on for years because the American public was insulated it (no draft, relativeely few casualities, and it being paid for by future generations while those in the here and now got tax cuts). Drones will contribute to perpetual war and may only harden positions.

Ghost of William F Buckley March 11, 2013 at 12:15 pm

Point well taken.

I abhor war as anyone would, it is the complete failure of diplomacy and invokes terrible costs, socially, financially, and unknown anguish to soldiers.

That said, there are virtually no times we have not had an armed conflict going on, somewhere around the globe. In other words, we are at perpetual war, always have been. Maybe not always the US, but war nonetheless.

The methods and procedures of killing will continue to change toward cost-efficiency, less US casualties, less human conflict. So sad, true that, yet, as inevitable, as humans have not not evolved to a level where all active lives are sacred.

Ed March 7, 2013 at 7:33 am

“Are you guys watching Sen Rand Paul on C-SPAN?”

No because I have something better to do. (Read: ANYTHING ELSE).

Also, now its done. But mainly the former.

Bridget Cantrell March 7, 2013 at 7:42 am

Says the guy who keeps up with GSU football. Yeah – that’s going to leave a footprint in history.

Ghost of William F Buckley March 7, 2013 at 9:06 am

Bridget, sometime down the road you may need Panther voters…..

Ed March 7, 2013 at 7:49 am

“Yeah – that’s going to leave a footprint in history.”

Way to get all existentialist up in here.

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