Saints and Sinners Find New Common Ground: Gun Carry

479825_321203967982994_600611041_nTwo of my girlfriends and I went to the gun range yesterday afternoon. She has a restraining order against a guy who has escalated to briefly sitting at the end of the driveway.  Her eyes are now open to the wonderful world of Glock.  That look – when someone takes their first  silhouette home.  The empowerment.  The transition from feeling like a potential statistic to someone who can defend their person.  Everyone needs that.

Once a woman feels undeniable threat to her life, it’s amazing how carrying “icky, dangerous guns” becomes as natural as carrying a Coach handbag.  Last night’s Instagram was “Sundays in the South: Guns and Jesus.”  Hallelujah, indeed.

HB 512 will likely say the same thing.  As Hassinger notes in the PP Daily, HB512, called the “Safe Carry Protection Act” was introduced Thursday and will have a hearing in the House Public Safety and Homeland Security Committee today at 3:00 PM. The bill has the support of the NRA and Georgia Carry, Georgia’s two largest pro-2nd Amendment groups. The bill also has the support of the House Rules Committee Chairman, who is the first co-sponsor of the measure.

As you read down through the bill, you’ll see that “Bar” as well as “Place of Worship” has been removed from the list of unauthorized locations.


  1. Ellynn says:

    The link only carries the commitee meeting accounment, not the whole bill. Thank you for the info though.

  2. Will Durant says:

    I still don’t think guns and alcohol mix. Especially with some of the Baptist churchgoers I’ve seen.

    • OleDirtyBarrister says:

      Not only will the Baptists drink all of your beer when no one else is around to see them and then fail to replace it, they will also shoot up all of your ammo.

  3. Daddy Got A Gun says:

    It does so much more than just bar carry.

    First, its legal to carry in a restaurant that serves the alcohol and you can drink when packing as well. Its been that way for several years and the fear mongering has been proven FALSE yet again. The owners of Taco Mac pushed for continuation of the bar ban in 2010. Interestingly, other bars want to allow carry in their establishments.

    The church ban is a bad precedent since its government specifically dictating to a church how it can operate. If churches don’t want guns, put up a sign. Its their PRIVATE property, let them decide. If you believe in the Freedom of Religion, you have to support this change.

    The bill is reducing the cost of renewing a license by eliminating the fingerprints requirement on renewal. Your prints have already been run, your identity has already been verified, and they don’t change.

    The bill specifies the INVOLUNTARY hospitalizations are what matters. Previously, it was all mental health hospitalizations. This was a major hindrance for people to seek mental health treatment and cruelly penalized people for willingly seeking help. My neighbor needed a hospitalization after her husband passed away. She resisted because she was afraid of being blacklisted and unable to qualify for a license. This fix eliminates that worry for people who are looking for help.

    If you are an adult with a license, you’ll be allowed to carry on a University campus, with the exception of the dorms and sporting events. There is no reason why you can carry a gun in Kroger and the library but not when you are on a college campus taking classes to advance your career and knowledge. Licensees are not the problem.

    There is some other cleanup items in the bill. This is a good bill and deserves to be passed.

      • Daddy Got A Gun says:

        Its a mixed bag.

        His HB 26 was pseudo- Constitutional Carry, ie unlicensed carry but with existing off-limits locations is not in 512

        His HB27 was what is called the Katrina bill. During Katrina, the police confiscated the guns of the citizens. Most were “lost” and never returned to their owners. There is a federal law that would stop that in the future but having a state protection would also be nice. That is not in 512

        His HB28 is for church carry and church carry is in 512.

        His HB29 is for college and school carry. 512 will decriminalize carrying on campuses with a couple of exceptions (dorms and sporting events). Schools will continue to be off-limits.

      • Nathan_Able says:

        Sounds like something a democrat would say.

        I wouldn’t be condescending towards anyone who does the right thing at anytime. As far as public relations Charles is in a pro-gun district in a red state so he is fine. He had the cahones to file pro-second amendment bills when other supposed pro-gun republicans would not and had the opportunity to do so for many years. He had the cahones to run against Julie Manning when others who lived in the district did not.

  4. tmoore912 says:

    Representative Rick Jasperse has introduced a good Bill that advances our carry rights in Ga. A lot of work has gone into this Bill. I’m looking forward to seeing this Bill pass through committee and onto the House floor for a vote.

  5. OleDirtyBarrister says:

    The original post is flawed. “Two of my girlfriends and I…” and then the next sentence starts with “She”.


    Further, a good friend would not allow a female first time owner to buy a Glock. The trigger is not the right place for a safety in the first instance, and particularly not for a less experienced shooter in an excited situation. An appreciable number of police officers (and civilians too) have shot themselves in the leg because they put the finger on the trigger early in the draw. There has never been more choices.

    The really useful changes in GA’s concealed carry law would be to eliminate the 4 year term of the Ga. Firearms License, change it to must issue, and put a limit on the time they can issue them, and create a rush protocol for instances like the female friend with a protective order in place. There is a great deal of inconsistency throughout the state in issue times and potentially resulting disparities in safety for people that need to carry. In some counties, one can walk out with the GFL, in others it may take 30 days to get it to hand. The purpose of passing state law is (or should be) uniformity for citizens throughout the state. Further, by changing the law to one time issuance, it will cut the workload for the local yokels and speed the issuance time, while eliminating the burden on the citizen to bear what is essentially a tax every 4 years and sometimes considerable time and aggravation. There is a great deal of disparity in the amount of time required from county to county, with large metro counties being predictably more burdensome. A citizen should be able to carry concealed for up to his or her lifetime one he/she secures a GFL, with certain triggering events curtailing it, like moving out of state, being arrested/indicted for specified crimes entailing violence and a threat to others, etc. The people can be trusted.

    • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

      Excellent points and good suggestions, especially about creating a rush protocol for those with a protective order in place against an abusive lover or spouse or stalker.

  6. seenbetrdayz says:

    “As you read down through the bill, you’ll see that “Bar” as well as “Place of Worship” has been removed from the list of unauthorized locations.”


    • I assume you’re going the “turn the other cheek” route? Don’t forget he told his boys “if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” (Luke 22:36)

      Resist the Devil [with a 40cal firearm] and [you can bet your sweet shekels] he will flee… 😉

          • WeymanCWannamakerJr says:

            So I guess:

            “Blessed are the Peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.” (Matthew 5:19)

            refers to the Colt Peacemakers 😉

            • Deuteronomy 20:10-12
              Make an offer of peace. If they refuse to make peace and engage in battle …. raze the whole town and everyone in it. [paraphrased of course]

              Sigh :/ I don’t think Charlie is going to let us keep up Bible banter on a political blog although I thoroughly enjoy it.

      • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

        “Resist the Devil [with a 40cal firearm] and [you can bet your sweet shekels] he will flee… ”

        …That’s a great line-of-thought.

  7. Rick Day says:

    Law or not, our policy is no one is entering my establishment with a firearm. Not even my rented security can carry. Only I, as the owner, am allowed that privilege. My liability insurance will have nothing of that, and it was hard enough to get someone to underwrite us already.

    So…no. I guess I will have to go to jail when I refuse entry to a patron in my entertainment venue.

    • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

      Mr. Day, I may be incorrect, but as far as I am aware, the law in question as written only restricts state and local governments from outlawing firearms in private establishments. As the owner, you should still be able to disallow firearms in your private establishment.

    • Daddy Got A Gun says:

      Its your property. Your say. Simply tell them to leave. If they don’t, trespass ’em.

      All of the licensees I know, will honor your wishes for no guns and would go elsewhere. Candidly, we don’t want to patronage any anti-gun businesses so your signs help us identify that friend from foe.

      As a class of people, gun owners respect and value property rights of others.

  8. OleDirtyBarrister says:

    I did not get around to posting the infamous video of the DEA agent shooting himself in the foot with a Glock.

    “I am the only one that is professional enough…bam!”

    • Daddy Got A Gun says:

      When I train new shooters, I use that video at the beginning. Then at the end of the training, we watch it again and they point out everything they guy did wrong.

      BTW ….That guy …. He’s exempt from Georgia’s gun laws (16-11-130).

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