Senate Race Starting Slower Than Expected

February 18, 2013 13:00 pm

by Charlie · 61 comments

Today’s Courier Herald Column:

The morning that Saxby Chambliss announced his plans to retire from the US Senate, all potential would-be Senators were put on notice that they had some decisions to make.  Conventional wisdom was that they had to make them quickly.  The most recent evidence was provided by now second term Senator Johnny Isakson, who announced his intention to run for his seat just days after Senator Zell Miller announced he would not seek another term.

There are advantages to being first.  It lets others know who they will have to go through in order to achieve their goal and ambition.

Now that the initial shock of adrenaline and testosterone has died down, it seems that many are more content to sit back and wait rather than to rush in and commit to a full two year campaign.  Only Congressman Paul Broun has made an official announcement of his plans to run.  Congressman Jack Kingston – who missed much of the earlier direct jockeying as he was leading a Congressional Delegation to India when Chambliss made his announcement – has shifted staff over to full time fundraising and told a Forsyth County GOP gathering Saturday he was 99% sure he would be in the race.

Tom Price, who began making calls to supporters on the day of Chambliss’ announcement indicating he was likely to announce shortly has since dialed back expectations, stating that he will focus on his House Budget Committee duties until May.  Congressman Phil Gingrey is also actively making calls and telling supporters he is taking a hard look at a Senate run, but has given no timetable on a decision.

Others, including some who have put out statements indicating no interest, still are keeping their options open.  As one inside observer put it: “It’s like a green white checkered flag at Talladega.  There are a lot of cars up ahead and there’s going to be a crash.  It’s what position they’re in when that happens that matters.”

If it looks like some are having cold feet in making their decision, there is a more recent case study to give them pause than Isakson’s 2004 Senate race.  The 2010 Governor’s race was also a two year campaign, with a slate of early candidates, each having full time staff and mounting a strategy to take on those who announced early.

Then, roughly one year before qualifying, front running Lt. Governor Casey Cagle decided to end his bid for Governor citing medical reasons.  He chose instead to run again for re-election, causing the two candidates who had announced for his seat to ultimately re-evaluate their plans.  Cagle ended up running for the Republican nomination unopposed, and the man who is now Governor entered the race late after much money and energy had already been spent by the early candidates on strategies for a race that never was.

The 2014 race has similar potential for new entries.  Cagle, who was initially rumored to be taking a serious look at the campaign, has been quiet, focusing on his Senate duties for a role he just spent two years battling to regain.  Unlike potential competitors from Congress, Cagle already has a statewide campaign network and has appeared on a statewide ballot twice, earning 54% of the vote in 2010.

Not only does he have no hurry to enter, but a calculating person would say he needs to focus on making sure the Senate is no longer described with the term “dysfunctional” after his two year battle over leadership.  Waiting only benefits Cagle.

And then, in the back of candidate’s minds, there is always the possibility of the biggest shoe of all dropping.  If Chambliss is as disgusted with Washington as his announcement says he is, there is always the possibility that he could leave office early.  Under this scenario, the Governor would appoint a successor who would then have to stand for re-election.  This could allow Governor Deal, who has thus far refused to embrace the candidacy of any of the potential candidates, to essentially clear the field well into a contested campaign after many have given up the ability to return to their current jobs.

The smart money said many would enter quickly.  Candidates looking at a risk-reward scenario are being a bit more prudent on their timing.

SallyForth February 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm

I could pretty much live with any of the names being tossed around now as a Republican nominee for the seat Chambliss is vacating – except for that whacko nut-job from Athens, Broun. Please, Lord, not him!

Harry February 18, 2013 at 7:59 pm

Speak for yourself. I personally hope this race turns into “basically a contest to prove who’s the most conservative”.

Nixonstheone February 18, 2013 at 9:42 pm

It won’t

Harry February 18, 2013 at 10:25 pm

Why not?

Charlie February 18, 2013 at 10:27 pm

The problem with that statement is that there are too many who use the measure of “most conservative” as the person most willing to pander to base fears, and not the person who is for the most limited applications of government.

Harry February 18, 2013 at 10:33 pm

Actions speak louder than words, but at least claiming to be conservative is a good starting point. Further evidence is surely required. We wouldn’t want a contest to prove who’s the most moderate.

Charlie February 18, 2013 at 10:46 pm

The problem is the “claim”, and too many – including too many leaders of our “conservative” groups – that are much more interested in hearing candidates “claim” beliefs that they want to hear, instead of probing deeper to make sure the folks 1) aren’t just pandering and 2) have a practical sense of how to utilize and implement these ideals to acheive some form of relevant conservatism.

Harry February 18, 2013 at 11:46 pm

I was countering SallyForth’s opinion about ruling out Braun as being a “nutjob”…actually Braun has expressed religious beliefs which many people wouldn’t express the same way, but still he’s a congressman (duly sworn in) with some some strong conservative principles and a very good voting record. He certainly will be given serious consideration for the Senate by myself and other conservatives.

The Last Democrat in Georgia February 19, 2013 at 2:52 am

A lot of people do seem to be (maybe unwisely) writing-off Paul Broun a bit too early.

SallyForth February 19, 2013 at 8:51 pm

Harry, he is still a nut job. Was before he got elected on his father’s Athens establishment coat tail, still is -and an embarrassment to Georgia in DC. There are too many other sensible candidates for the seat.

The Last Democrat in Georgia February 20, 2013 at 12:31 am

No disagreement there, Sally. Though Broun looks to be the candidate who could have the most appeal to the GOP base because of his noted intensity in criticizing the current President who remains extremely-unpopular on the right.

novicegirl February 19, 2013 at 12:54 pm

I’m for limited government and no alcohol sales on Sunday.

The Last Democrat in Georgia February 18, 2013 at 10:41 pm

Great analysis of the U.S. Senate race, Charlie. Though, I get the feeling that Cagle has his sights, and his heart, set much more on the Governor’s Mansion than on Washington at this point, though I could be wrong.

boohunney February 19, 2013 at 3:39 am

Karen Handel… just watch.

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 7:34 am

Will be the 6th districts new congresswoman.

debbie0040 February 19, 2013 at 8:12 am

Everyone said Reagan was too extreme to be President and he would get us in a nuuclear war but he won and was a great president. I would probably not get involved publicly unless there was a run-off between a Jack Kingston type candidate and a conservative type candidate.

I am heading up a state-wide precinct organization project that is funded by Tea Party Patriots and that is taking up a great deal of my time. State-Region-State House district-targeted precincts-sub-divisions/neighborhoods-block captain is the organization template. We are organizing now because it is such an expansive project and you can wait until 3 months out from the election to put a infrastructure in place. We are going to make sure we have an infrastructure in place to more effectively hold elected officials accountable and organized for GOTV for the primary and for the general election. We are going to be using many of the same tools the Obama campaign used successfully.

http://www.ajc.com/weblogs/political-insider/2013/feb/15/new-senate-poll-has-broun-gingrey-price-neck-and-n/

Harper Polling has just cut loose its first poll in Georgia’s 2014 race for U.S. Senate, showing three Republican members of Congress in a tight bunch:

In the Republican primary election for the open seat of Senator Saxby Chambliss, the race is wide open. The field is stacked with Members of Congress. In a state with 14 congressional districts, a Congressman’s statewide name identification is low and his support is confined early on to his district. However, if the field has 6 credible candidates, 35% could win the primary.

Congressmen Paul Broun, Phil Gingrey, Tom Price, and Jack Kingston are bunched in a pack at 19%, 18%, 17% and 13% respectively. The buzz-worthy candidates of state insiders, [state Sen.] Ross Tolleson and [Atlanta Dream co-owner] Kelly Loefler, have no name identification and therefore no support at this stage.

Remember that only Broun is an announced candidate. The following may be the more interesting portion, at least for fans of Price:

Among Very Conservative voters, Price leads with 25% followed by Broun at 23%. Among Somewhat Conservative voters, Price leads again with 23% and Kingston comes in second at 19%.

debbie0040 February 19, 2013 at 8:12 am

I meant can’t wait until three months out

Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 10:29 am

Is Jack Kingston considered to be moderate or liberal by you and/or TPP?

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 12:37 pm

Jack Kingston – Solo Earmarks – 42 -$49,231,800
He is a big spender. That is why.

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 1:00 pm

Eiger,

Your link requires registration after viewing a couple of pages, but I noticed Gingrey at either $44M or $94M before it required me to signup. I’m guessing Price will be at least in the same ballpark if not more due to the criteria that source uses to count earmarks.

So either they’re all ‘big spenders’ and thus disqualified to be considered ‘conservative’ or the definition of conservative has been so bastardized as to be rendered useless.

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 1:10 pm

I didn’t know you had to have a subscription to legistorm either. It won’t let me go back now without signing up. But I did find this on open secrets.

Tom Price sponsored or co-sponsored 0 earmarks totaling $0 in fiscal year 2010, ranking 402nd out of 435 representatives.
http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/otherdata.php?cid=N00026160&cycle=2012

Paul Broun Jr sponsored or co-sponsored 0 earmarks totaling $0 in fiscal year 2010, ranking 402nd out of 435 representativeshttp://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/otherdata.php?cycle=2010//earmarks/&cid=N00028986&type=I

Jack Kingston sponsored or co-sponsored 40 earmarks totalling $66,787,000 in fiscal year 2010 ranking 32nd out of 435 representatives. http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/earmarks.php?cid=N00002656

Phil Gingrey sponsored or co-sponsored 18 earmarks totalling $15,800,000 in fiscal year 2010 ranking 254th out of 435 representatives.http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/earmarks.php?cid=N00024760

Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 1:21 pm

Eiger,

I guess it depends on the definition of earmark. At a quick glance from your previous source, many of the listings were for military spending both in his district and in other areas of the country.

Also to do a fair comparison, you would need to see how much money was generated within each district that went to the fed then was redistributed to other areas. Under the current system, if you show ZERO earmarks, that means somebody else got money that could have been used in your district because we both know it doesn’t go into a reserve fund for future use.

My simple question to Debbie stands, is Jack Kingston considered a moderate or liberal by her and/or TPP?

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 1:43 pm

What ever makes you sleep better at night.

Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 1:54 pm

Wine

Baker February 19, 2013 at 2:28 pm

I was wondering the same thing ThreeJack.

Kingston not a real conservative? Pretty sure he has very similar ratings from the ATR, ACU, NRA, insert conservative acronym group, as do Gingrey & Price.

I have no idea what would be wrong with Kingston. I haven’t looked but I’m guessing a chunk of those earmarks is for SRS and for the Savannah port. I’m fine with those. I’d also be fine with ending earmarks completely. But they haven’t.

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 2:37 pm

I would encourage you to look a the links posted before assuming anything. It is quite easy to browse through Kingston’s spending. I will post a few since everyone seems incapable of looking themselves.

Chatham Area Transit Bus and Bus Facilities, Savannah, GA
GA Transportation-Housing and Urban Development $2,525,000

Georgia Soil and Water Conservation Commission Cooperative Agreement, GA
GA Ag-Rural Development-FDA $2,423,000

Atlanta Environmental Infrastructure, GA
Atlanta, GA Energy and Water $1,429,000

Biofuels, Biopower and Biomaterials Initiative
UNK Energy and Water $1,250,000

Water Use Reduction, Dawson, GA
Dawson, GA Ag-Rural Development-FDA $1,200,000

Georgia Southern University Biodiesel Research
GA Energy and Water $250,000

Initiative to Improve Blueberry Production and Efficiency, GA
GA Ag-Rural Development-FDA $209,000

Phytophthora Research, GA
GA Ag-Rural Development-FDA $178,000

My personal favorite is the $209,000 spent to improve Blueberry production. Sounds important.

Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm

Again Eiger, you have to put it in perspective. How much did the federal goverment collect in revenues from District 1 during the same spending period? If Kingston didn’t attempt to get some of the revenue back in his district, where do you think the money would go?

I did follow your link(s), but am not willing to signup for the site in order to get more details. But I did look at various conservative rating sites and found Kingston to be in line with most other GA reps except Broun who does have a more conservative voting record when it comes to fiscal matters (at least as judged by the various groups).

In a perfect world, it would not be necessary for reps to spend so much time trying to get some of the money contributed from their district back to projects in the district. But as it stands now, Kingston has done a good job of playing the game as it is layed out.

Baker February 19, 2013 at 2:57 pm

So do you give an automatic DQ to Ron Paul? Is there an earmark line?

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 3:09 pm

Not a fan of Ron Paul for many reasons. His stance on earmarks being one of them. I believe it is very hypocritical of someone to get earmarks put into a spending bill and then vote against it because it costs too much, but then have a ceremony in your district announcing the earmark.

We are nearly $17 trillion dollars in debt and you want to give Kingston a pass for getting money to study blueberry production and other pointless projects. Not sure why? I want someone that will focus on cutting government spending and not someone with a 20 plus year record of earmarks and big spending. That is all. Just as you are entitled to your opinion I am entitled to point out why Kingston is not a conservative when it comes to government spending.

Baker February 19, 2013 at 3:01 pm

$200K for blueberry growth innovation is ridiculous.

xdog February 19, 2013 at 3:58 pm

Not if your business is growing blueberries.

Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 4:14 pm

I’m not really that big a fan of Kingston’s necesarily, but I don’t think he can be labeled a ‘big spender’ for simply bringing money back to his district. Blueberry farms happen to be big business for his area of the state with Georgia now one of the top growers in the country. Should we redistribute tax dollars for a blueberry study, no. But as it stands, that is the only way to retrieve some of the dollars sent to DC from Kingston’s district. It’s a fiscally insane system, but just saying no does not reduce spending, it just means another congressman will get your allotment.

Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 4:18 pm

According to govtrack.us, Kingston is a “far-right Republican according to GovTrack’s own analysis of bill sponsorship.”

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/jack_kingston/400221

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 4:30 pm

Three Jack, you mentality is what is wrong with our country. “it just means another congressman will get your allotment.” It isn’t his damn money to start with. It isn’t his money to “Bring Home.” It is money that he is helping to borrow from my children and grandchildren. You are okay with putting future generations farther in debt for blueberry production research. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. And since when was Dawson in Georgia’s first congressional district? Details…they tend to be important.

Water Use Reduction, Dawson, GA
Dawson, GA Ag-Rural Development-FDA $1,200,000

Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 4:56 pm

Not sure what part of “It’s a fiscally insane system, but just saying no does not reduce spending, it just means another congressman will get your allotment.” you missed, but maybe you should re-read my post and my many other posts on this site condemning over spending by the government. I doubt there are many regular posters here who have supported ending MediXXXX, SS, SCHIP, etc., etc., etc., like I have. If it was left up to me, the money would stay in the pockets of those who earned it instead of being funneled through the federal government for redistribution as happens now.

I don’t agree with it, never have. But I also understand that just voting no does nothing toward reforming it. You are naive to think you can visit a couple of websites, copy some stats and then label a rep ‘big spender’. Broun voted no, did the system change? Price voted no, did the system change? No it didn’t, but their constituents who were forced to pay into the system got nothing back…who lost?

TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 5:11 pm

Kingston has been there over 20 years and has gotten nothing done with regards to controlling government spending. I get what you are saying. Basically, you like to talk about how horrible spending is, but we have a crappy system so we should turn a blind eye. Got it.

I would also like you to please explain to me how someone who has millions of dollars every year in earmarks is not a big spender. Saying if he doesn’t take it someone else will is not a sufficient response.

Please also explain to me how I should trust a congressman is going to address the true issues of our debt (medicare, ss, and medicaid) if can’t do something as simple as stop earmarks to blueberry production research.

novicegirl February 19, 2013 at 12:58 pm

My theory on the four Congressmen in the poll is their relative similar percentages are due to their name ID being limited to within their population proportional districts. I don’t know for sure without seeing the poll.

debbie0040 February 19, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Three Jack February 19, 2013 at 5:08 pm

Damn debbie, that’s absolutely a false statement. No wonder tea partiers get such a bad rap, putting out total BS like your post.

The very first paragraph in the Politico story (did you even follow the link or just go by what the partisan hack wrote on the site you linked) – “Rep. Jack Kingston wants to repeal Obamacare, and his ascension to the top of an Appropriations subcommittee with jurisdiction over health funding puts him in a powerful position to leave an imprint.”

Full story here – http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/kingston-has-bipartisan-goals-for-aca-funding-85745.html

Kingston admits it is the law of the land…it is! And it was codified by a GOP appointee to the Supreme Court, CJ John Roberts (I seem to recall you posting something about electing a Republican president so we can be sure to have conservative judges…how’s that working out for you?). What would you have him do Debbie, ignore the law?

debbie0040 February 19, 2013 at 11:53 pm

How about not funding it? We want a fighter in D.C. along the lines of a Rand Paul or Jim DeMint. We don’t want another Saxby Chambliss or someone that will easily concede defeat.

Many states opted out of the state run exchanges so the Feds have to come up with funding to set up exchanges in the states. They should not be funded. I just simply quoted a story. since it was announced Kingston was considering running I have received emails from tea party activists opposing him and saying things like he is a pork king.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323717004578157340086892614.html
“In Mr. Boehner’s corner are some Republicans who say the election results have forced them to revisit their stance on taxes. Rep. Jack Kingston (R., Ga.), a 20-year veteran of the House, said, “The election was a sober reminder that not every other person in America shares our views.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/270015-gop-forget-tax-rates-lets-look-at-spending
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) said there had been “an obsession with the tax equation.”
“But it is two parts of a scissors, if you will,” he said, referring to revenue increases and spending cuts. “You’ve got to have both of them.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2011/03/17/jack-kingston-house-gop-split-weakens-john-boehner/
Jack Kingston: House GOP split ‘weakens’ John Boehner
2:50 pm March 17, 2011, by jgalloway

In the contest of philosophy versus tactics, U.S. Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Savannah, appears to have chosen a side. From the Daily Caller in Washington:

GOP leaders and much of the mainline party caucus that voted for a three-week continuing resolution Tuesday are fuming at the 54 conservative Republicans who voted no — and the right-wing activists who cheered them on.

Many saw the move by conservatives, galvanized by a closed-door speech by former GOP Conference Chairman Rep. Mike Pence, as a pointless protest vote that weakened House Speaker John Boehner’s hand in negotiations with top Democrats on spending cuts.

“It weakened Boehner. If he walked into [a meeting with Sen. Reid] and he said, ‘My party is unified and we are willing to go three more weeks and that’s it.’ Unity is a strength in this town and it shows how we’re not unified. So I do think there was a weakness on that,” said Rep. Jack Kingston, Georgia Republican.

three Jack, What exactly is your role in the Kingston campaign?

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“TheEiger February 19, 2013 at 4:30 pm

Three Jack, you mentality is what is wrong with our country. “it just means another congressman will get your allotment.” It isn’t his damn money to start with. It isn’t his money to “Bring Home.” It is money that he is helping to borrow from my children and grandchildren. You are okay with putting future generations farther in debt for blueberry production research. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. And since when was Dawson in Georgia’s first congressional district? Details…they tend to be important. “

debbie0040 February 20, 2013 at 12:03 am

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/19/nation/la-na-fiscal-cliff-20121220
“You have to get what you can,” said Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), who has been in office since before the tax cuts were first approved a decade ago. “Having served here before George Bush, America did operate before these tax cuts — and did fine.”

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/tamron-hall-slams-kingston-saying-obama-sh

KINGSTON: Here’s the reality that we’re in. The House is ready to compromise with the Senate. We have not voted on anything and left town. Our bill passed on a bipartisan basis last week. It has been rejected by the Senate. They’ve given us a two month extension. We don’t think that’s a good deal for the economy or the American people.

And what we’re saying it, you know what? Let’s go to conference. We’ve got ten days to work this out. And I would like to say I think the President should attend, because, what would happen if he showed some leadership and brought Mr. Boehner and Mr. Reid down to the White House, pulled out some eggnog, maybe some rum and cigars, pulled out It’s a Wonderful Life DVD and said, alright guys, let’s work this out for the American people

Three Jack February 20, 2013 at 11:19 am

“I just simply quoted a story.” That about sums it up Debbie…you see a headline written by a partisan hack and run with it instead of taking 5 minutes to read the stories behind the headline where you would have seen the statement I posted earlier indicating Kingston will do what he can to minimize the effects of ObamaRobertsCare.

As I stated previously, I am not necesarily a fan of Jack Kingston. But your original post seemed to indicate he is a moderate to liberal so I wanted to know how you came up with that judgement. Now I know, you read headlines.

I have absolutely no role in any campaign Debbie. But unlike you, I realize the need for a viable candidate to represent fiscally conservative views on behalf of Georgia taxpayers without having a wackjob position on social issues (see Broun). What will you do if Kingston emerges as the GOP nominee?

debbie0040 February 20, 2013 at 11:59 am

I did take time to read the story but have not changed my opinion about his stance. He says one thing about doing what he can to fight ObamaCare then says oh well it’s the law of the land so we have to fund it. It really bothers you when Kingston is criticized doesn’t it? It is like you take it personally..

I am not buying you are not necessaily a fan of Kingston. You go to lengths to defend him and get upset that he is criticized.

I posted other links about his support of Boehner and his stance on taxes. What no comment on those links? What about the fact many refer to him as the pork king in Georgia? From what I read, you think it is ok.

Kingston will not be the nominee and if he were, not sure what I would do. what would you do if Broun were the nominee?

griftdrift February 20, 2013 at 12:18 pm

Once upon a time dealing with reality was considered conservative philosophy.

I guess we can strike that off the list.

Three Jack February 20, 2013 at 1:47 pm

Debbie,

If posting facts about a person is considered defending him, then I’m guilty. You posted a blatant lie, “GOP Rep. Jack Kingston Wants to Make Peace With Obamacare” as if he was totally caving in on ObamaRobertsCare. That’s just not true and you know it if you actually read the story.

I guess this will be defending him again as your so-called ‘pork king’ introduced HR2041 – ‘Returning to Responsible Fiscal Policies Act ‘ — http://kingston.house.gov/legislation/sponsored.htm — co-sponsored by 14 other conservatives including Tom Graves. It is still working its way through the process but would serve to limit government spending better than many other ideas I have seen.

I’ve never met Jack Kingston, but have enjoyed watching his appearances on Bill Maher. Over the past 2 days I have visited a number of congressional rating sites to compare his record with the others mentioned as possible senate candidates. In most cases, Kingston has scored within percentage points of his GA colleagues. I guess if one just fires off without really studying, they could mistakenly label him as an evil moderate/liberal, but based on my analysis, that would be shortsighted if not plain ignorant.

If Broun somehow overcame his past and inevitable future verbal blunders and secures the nomination, I will vote for another candidate.

debbie0040 February 20, 2013 at 3:20 pm

Introducing good legislation does not erase your past record. He loves pork. He has changed his position on tax increases per the articles I posted, which you keep ignoring because they aren’t favorable to Kingston. Many of those same sites also considered President George W Bush conservative as well..

I never said Kingston was evil. I just said that I would not get involved in the process unless he made the run off . You kept insisiting that I show you how he is not conservative. Another poster showed you where he has requested a great deal of pork , many items that were not fiscally responsible, yet you defend him.

You just keep on with your love affair with Kingston…

debbie0040 February 20, 2013 at 3:22 pm

I care about fiscal issues and limited government issues. I don’t like big government Republicans that are big spenders. Kingston is a big spender. He can’t run away from his record..

Three Jack February 20, 2013 at 3:52 pm

Ok Debbie, keep doing what you do and we’ll see how it plays out. If Kingston decides to jump in, I’m sure he will be prepared to defend his record as a congressman against false accusastions like the one that started this string.

But I just can’t stop without first addressing this statement from your original post as it relates to Kingston — “Everyone said Reagan was too extreme to be President and he would get us in a nuuclear war but he won and was a great president.”….who raised taxes multiple times, increased the national debt considerably and provided amnesty to over 3M illegal aliens. You would be the first to oppose Reagan’s candidacy based on your incredibly strict standard being applied to people like Jack Kingston. Not sure how you rationalize this double standard in your own mind, but you obviously have found a way.

Baker February 20, 2013 at 4:34 pm

I understand what Debbie is saying about Kingston and earmarks, but Broun is not a better option.

And ThreeJack is dead on about Reagan, he wouldn’t be able to win any Repub primary with his record.

Three Jack February 20, 2013 at 4:49 pm

Baker,

I understand the position against pork spending, just not as the sole issue on which to decide whether a candidate is conservative or not. Kingston can handle that question if/when it arises, but it would be a disservice to the rank and file of TPP to completely dismiss his candidacy based on that one issue.

griftdrift February 19, 2013 at 12:30 pm

Modern conservatism isn’t a philosophy. It’s a checklist.

debbie0040 February 20, 2013 at 10:28 pm

Three Jack, Are these false accusations as well? They are Kingston’s own words

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/19/nation/la-na-fiscal-cliff-20121220
“You have to get what you can,” said Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.), who has been in office since before the tax cuts were first approved a decade ago. “Having served here before George Bush, America did operate before these tax cuts — and did fine.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323717004578157340086892614.html
“In Mr. Boehner’s corner are some Republicans who say the election results have forced them to revisit their stance on taxes. Rep. Jack Kingston (R., Ga.), a 20-year veteran of the House, said, “The election was a sober reminder that not every other person in America shares our views.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/270015-gop-forget-tax-rates-lets-look-at-spending
Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga.) said there had been “an obsession with the tax equation.”
“But it is two parts of a scissors, if you will,” he said, referring to revenue increases and spending cuts. “You’ve got to have both of them.”

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2011/03/17/jack-kingston-house-gop-split-weakens-john-boehner/
Jack Kingston: House GOP split ‘weakens’ John Boehner
2:50 pm March 17, 2011, by jgalloway

In the contest of philosophy versus tactics, U.S. Rep. Jack Kingston, R-Savannah, appears to have chosen a side. From the Daily Caller in Washington:

GOP leaders and much of the mainline party caucus that voted for a three-week continuing resolution Tuesday are fuming at the 54 conservative Republicans who voted no — and the right-wing activists who cheered them on.

Many saw the move by conservatives, galvanized by a closed-door speech by former GOP Conference Chairman Rep. Mike Pence, as a pointless protest vote that weakened House Speaker John Boehner’s hand in negotiations with top Democrats on spending cuts.

“It weakened Boehner. If he walked into [a meeting with Sen. Reid] and he said, ‘My party is unified and we are willing to go three more weeks and that’s it.’ Unity is a strength in this town and it shows how we’re not unified. So I do think there was a weakness on that,” said Rep. Jack Kingston, Georgia Republican.

The Last Democrat in Georgia February 20, 2013 at 10:58 pm

Ms. Dooley, is there any way that Allen West could be convinced to move to Georgia to get in this race if he is eligible?
A candidate like Allen West is the ‘juice’ that this Senate race is missing.

Three Jack February 21, 2013 at 10:20 am

You’re repeating yourself now Debbie. You made your point, Kingston will feel the wrath of Debbie and her small contingent of TP faithful. As I said, we’ll see what happens.

In the meantime, please enlighten us as to how you can rationalize calling Reagan a great president yet disparage Kingston as the king of pork (btw, I agree that Reagan was great because he knew how to lead which included negotiating with the opposition).

debbie0040 February 21, 2013 at 1:09 pm

Small contingent? Guess we will just have to wait and see won’t we? Nice way to avoid explaining Kingston’s own words.. Since it as you call it a small contingent then you shouldn’t worry about what will happen…So we won’t discuss this further

Jeff February 19, 2013 at 3:47 pm

Ya’ll certainly have an interesting conundrum. Unfortunately, no matter who wins we will continue to get more spending, more wars, and less liberty. Good luck with that. So very glad I’m out of the game now.

Baker February 19, 2013 at 5:04 pm

How are you out of the game? Do you live in Costa Rica now?

Jeff February 19, 2013 at 6:34 pm

I’ve been very deliberate in cutting all former political ties. The only ones that remain were friends that I actually hung out with from time to time other than at political events. I still talk politics on my personal FB page and with friends (and even strangers), but I’m no longer an “activist” and no longer have any official (or even unofficial) roles in any organizations other than those that actually pay me. By and large, I don’t read political blogs anymore other than Galloway/CopBlock/Reason.

Indeed, the main time you will ever see me openly discussing politics in the future is if I can ever finish my first novel, Sons of Thunder, and its sequel.

And while I don’t live in Ga any longer, I have indeed left the State – I’ve lived elsewhere for nearly 2 years now, and I’m about to move further away from Ga (deeper into the State I live in now) within the next few months.

It was a wild ride, and I’m glad I did it. I’ve got memories that will last a lifetime, and I was able to get some bragging rights on a couple of things that will always make cool stories, at least to me.

But seriously, my life is SOOOOOOOO much more peaceful since I got out. For some of you, I might recommend you follow my lead. Trust me, you’ll wind up liking yourselves better again.

Jeff February 19, 2013 at 6:44 pm

(In case you’re wondering, I actually found a post here from a couple of weeks ago that is relevant to the one thing that keeps me officially tied to politics at the moment when I was doing some research yesterday, when I saw that someone actually mentioned me on that thread. All I’m going to say about that particular thread is that it tells me all I need to know about Paul Broun.)

xdog February 19, 2013 at 4:14 pm

As noted, it’s very early in the process and you guys are gnawing on each other’s ankles already.

Here’s an idea: the tpers leave and form their own party and whoever’s left gets to still call themselves gopers. That would free the gopers from trying to meet the marks the tpers set for everyone (and don’t miss too many either, buster!). The tpers could focus on their anger and resentment and meet to figure ways to become ever more politically pure, while the gopers could go back to trying to elect sincere CoC types who are actually interested in governing.

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