Hillary Clinton gets concussion; can’t testify on Benghazi

December 15, 2012 13:56 pm

by Bridget Cantrell · 64 comments

Since it’s Saturday, we have a little more latitude on what Charlie let’s us post.  This breaking news simply makes me “shake my head.”  On one hand you get completely ticked off that a politician can get away with something like this; on the other hand you think “wow, she’s goood.”

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and the Democratic Party’s frontrunner for the 2016 presidential election, fainted and suffered a concussion — and is now recovering at home — according to a statement from the State Department.

According to the AP, Clinton, “who skipped an overseas trip this past week because of a stomach virus,” sustained a concussion after fainting, and is now recovering at home and being monitored by doctors.

An aide, Philippe Reines, says Clinton will work from home next week, at the recommendation of doctors (which will prevent her from testifying at congressional hearings on Thursday into the September 11 attack against a U.S. diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador).

You can consider this an Open Thread for national politics, but don’t get crazy.

Three Jack December 15, 2012 at 2:00 pm

How convenient.

Daddy Got A Gun December 15, 2012 at 2:43 pm

Just wait till we learn her fall also caused amnesia.

mpierce December 15, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Toxic Avenger December 15, 2012 at 5:50 pm

You disgust me for even making these implications. People get sick (she was ill last week from a stomach virus), and she fainted, suffering a concussion- a head injury. You may disagree with her, but showing this level of disrespect, by heavily implying that this is a “faked” injury for the sake of not testifying on Benghazi, is everything that is wrong with politics nowadays.

Seriously, at a certain point, I expect rational discourse. You have failed to deliver.

Bridget December 15, 2012 at 6:03 pm

Lighten up, Francis

Toxic Avenger December 15, 2012 at 6:52 pm

It just ticks me off, is all. I think that Peach Pundit usually fosters good political discussion. Questioning someone’s health scare is not amongst those good discussions.

joe December 15, 2012 at 9:48 pm

The administration’s responses to the attacks on Benghazi have been characterized by lies and obfuscation. It is perfectly reasonable to question ecerything.

joe December 15, 2012 at 9:50 pm

of course, if I couldy modify, ecerything = everything

mountainpass December 15, 2012 at 10:33 pm

She should have been hospitalized if it was so bad.

John Walraven December 16, 2012 at 8:34 am

Really.

saltycracker December 15, 2012 at 6:18 pm

Depends on what you mean by fainting.
BC

The Last Democrat in Georgia December 16, 2012 at 1:26 am

Toxic Avenger, December 15, 2012 at 5:50 pm-

I completely agree with your sentiments. I mean, it’s not as if Secretary Clinton actually has some compelling reasons to fake illness and injury (reasons like complete utter contempt and absolute “disgust” for Congressional Republicans and a likely run for the Presidency in 2016), right?

Also, Pre-Congressional Testimony Illness, or PCTI as it is most commonly known, is an illness that is known to occur frequently in witnesses of high stature in the weeks and days before a Congressional appearance.

PCTI is also widely known to develop into full-blown CTI (Congressional Testimonial Illness).

With the symptoms of increasing lightheadedness, nausea, upset stomach, vomiting, diarrhea and frequent and sudden fainting spells that can lead to head injury being quite common on and around the day that many witnesses are scheduled to testify in front of Congress, the question should be why does it have to be something sinister only when Hillary Clinton comes down with it?

John Walraven December 15, 2012 at 8:35 pm

They should put her through the NFL Concussion Protocol and if she’s cleared by Wednesday, I’d say she’s probable to testify.

Doug Deal December 15, 2012 at 9:51 pm

“Help!!! I’ve fallen, can can’t testify about Benghazi!” – found on Ann Althouse’s blog.

Bridget December 16, 2012 at 10:06 am

+ 1, maybe 3

John Konop December 15, 2012 at 11:20 pm

In all seriousness, this is why Hillary will be our next president. The nasty comments about here will fire up the female vote, especially with her potentially being the first female president. You combine this with the growing Latino community and big Bill it will be a blow out. The GOP needs to focus on real solutions over paying into her hand.

Doug Deal December 16, 2012 at 5:45 am

Doubt the word of the woman whose only testimony during the Whitewater was “I do not recall?”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr960602.htm

Or one that came under “sniper fire” in her visit to Bosnia.
http://m.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/10/16/flashback-2008-hillary-clinton-exposed-lying-about-being-under-sniper

How dare anyone!

John Konop December 16, 2012 at 7:56 am

More you do this the better chance Hillary wil be our next president.

IndyInjun December 16, 2012 at 9:50 am

Konop and the right Deal – two wizened and true Peachpunditeers – do battle and both ring true.

Hillary is being what she has always been, too.

Billary for POTUS 2016. GOP doofuses and crooks have doomed that party.

We Indies, fiscal conservatives (the REAL ones who believe in math), constitutionalists, and Libertarians are ill pressed to support or participate in the GOP any more.

John Corzine will be super as Fed Chairman.

Daddy Got A Gun December 16, 2012 at 10:17 am

“John Corzine will be super as Fed Chairman.”

When I was growing up in Philadelphia, one of our esteemed city councilmen got caught up in ABSCAM. When he got out of jail, he ran for his former office. His campaign message was along the lines of “yes, I stole but think about what I can steal FOR YOU”. He was easily elected.

David C December 16, 2012 at 10:36 am

Philly? That’s practically the Louisiana state motto!

Baker December 17, 2012 at 12:58 am

Are you serious about Corzine as Fed Chair?

IndyInjun December 17, 2012 at 11:40 am

Why not? Everyone in the Dem and GOP parties thinks we can print, borrow, lie and steal our way back to ‘prosperity.’ Corzine as Fed Chair just might make the much-deserved and inevitable collapse come sooner. All of the financial and economic elites are wrong and too many are untried felons like Corzine IMHO.

Recommended reading – Andrew Jackson’s unabridged farewell address. Jefferson and Jackson warned us about the gaggle of banking criminals we now have running this country.

Baker December 17, 2012 at 3:06 pm

Okay, I get it. Hasten the inevitable kind of thing. Corzine is terrible. He should absolutely be in jail. Or penniless with every bit of money earned going to pay back investors.

Three Jack December 16, 2012 at 11:15 am

Come on John, as Karen Handel said, ‘put on your big boy pants’.

If one chooses to be a public figure then one should expect scrutiny, especially someone like Hillary who famously said ‘I don’t recall’ about 973 times during Whitewater hearings. Not to mention the weird story of her husband’s ‘fall’ at Greg Norman’s house in 1997 which diverted news from Lewinsky and DNC finance questions.

If you are so naive as to think there is no way a Clinton/politician would lie to avoid embarrassing testimony or to divert attention from serious mistakes, then you have not paid attention the past 40 years.

John Konop December 16, 2012 at 12:52 pm

You are not getting the joke. The problem is you are helping tell it, while they are laughing at you.

Three Jack December 16, 2012 at 1:12 pm

What joke? Oh you mean her handling of Benghazi that resulted in the deaths of 4 people…I’m guessing their families aren’t laughing.

Or maybe you mean the joke that is her term as SoS. Muslim Brotherhood on the rise, multiple mideast countries at war, N. Korea flipping us the bird via missle launches….etc.

Or maybe you refer to the joke that is her marriage. It’s hard to figure out which joke you are talking about.

John Konop December 16, 2012 at 2:03 pm

The Hillary campaign loves you!

Three Jack December 16, 2012 at 2:31 pm

So John, what would be your strategy…cower in the corner saying nothing that may offend anybody other than old white guys? If that is what it will take to win the presidency, then Obama and Hillary are the least of our problems.

John Konop December 16, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Three Jack,

First news reports have come out linking the embassy to a CIA operation, making the issue more complicated. Second, Bill Clinton hands are all over the credit default swap crisis, which was a key part of why the economy blew up with out of control debt. Third, the GOP beat Gore on a foriegn policy position of us avoiding foriegn entanglements from the Clinton years ie humble foriegn policy. The steroid foriegn policy position we cannot afford and it is not helping. Hillary is open for attacks of being to aggressive. Forth coming up with a real healthcare solutions and entitlment reform will be a key issue. Finally the affirmative action style education via No Child Left Behind she supports could be a real issue via having a real plan.

Chris Huttman December 16, 2012 at 10:40 pm

Nastiness has nothing to do with it. When 1,000s of soldiers died liberating Iraq and Afghanistan, the GOP draped themselves in the flag whenever anyone asked tough questions.

Now FOUR soldiers died liberating a third country from a dictatorship and they want to shut down Washington and hold hearings.

Foreign policy ain’t easy, and freedom isn’t free. One party respects the rules no matter who is in charge, the other doesn’t. The American people are smarter than the 53% of Georgians that currently decide who is in charge here.

The Last Democrat in Georgia December 16, 2012 at 12:50 am

I don’t see what everyone is so upset at Secretary Clinton about.

I mean, most people who are slated to testify before Congress often get sick before their scheduled appearance. It’s a perfectly natural frequent and common occurrence.

Secretary Clinton’s particular illness seems to be a case of the “Benghazi Flu” and it appears to be something that will stick around through the holidays and well into the New Year.

And as for Bridget’s order telling us “don’t get crazy”, no problem. There’s no need for anyone worrying about us getting crazy because we’re already there as that train left the station a long time ago :)

Harry December 16, 2012 at 1:13 am

Obviously she needs to know first what others’ testimony is – not the least the military personnel who were witness to the timeline of the events.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 1:56 am
Katherine Helms Cummings December 16, 2012 at 10:17 am

Toxic Avenger is spot on in comments about Secretary Clinton’s health.

There are numerous examples of complete amnesia and gross misunderstanding among Republican leaders and staffers including W and Chaney (remember all those WMD that were never in Iraq), John Dean, Ronald Reagan (before dementia cruelly robbed him of his charming smile and demeanor, which I am not saying sarcastically, he was charming when he wanted to be) and others.

Clinton won’t get a permanent hall pass on a hearing before Congress. Boehner et al will make sure of that.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 10:22 am

From The Blaze..

House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.) said Clinton had been excused from appearing before her committee, but said she would have to testify eventually.

“I am sorry to learn of Secretary Clinton’s ill health and I wish her a quick and full recovery,” Ros-Lehtinen said in a statement, according to Politico. “It is, however, unfortunate that Secretary Clinton is unable to testify next week before the House Committee on Foreign Affairs on the investigation into the terrorist attack that killed four Americans and left others injured.”

Ros-Lehtinen added, “We have been combing through classified and unclassified documents and have tough questions about State Department threat assessments and decision-making on Benghazi. This requires a public appearance by the Secretary of State herself. Other cabinet secretaries involved should also be held publicly accountable.”

WesleyC December 16, 2012 at 1:47 pm

This is what a perfectly sane and responsible response to Sec. Clinton’s illness sounds like. Notice how different it is from the conspiracy-theorist nonsense coming from many of those commenting here.

bowersville December 16, 2012 at 10:32 am

Here’s an interesting twist to the story. Let the conspiracy theories fly. Senator John Kerry excuses Secretary Clinton from testifying before the Foreign Relations committee. (For the non-conspiracy minded, the GOP controlled House committee did the same.) But John Kerry, the John Kerry that is reported to be the nominee to replace Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State?

“Secretary Clinton’s team contacted Sen. Kerry this morning to inform them of the secretary’s concussion,” said Jodi Seth, a spokeswoman for the committee’s chairman, Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass.. “Sen. Kerry was relieved to hear that the secretary is on the mend, but he insisted that given her condition, she could not and should not appear on Thursday.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/local-news/20121215-secretary-of-state-hillaryrodham-clinton-faints-sustains-concussion.ece

Smart woman. She avoided the Sunday talking shows after Benghazi and every one swarmed on UN Ambassador Susan Rice and accused her of the biggest scandal since Watergate. John Kerry is going to State but before he does, he excuses H. Clinton from testifying. Konop linked to a story the other day that report Benghazi was more of a CIA operation for the transfer of weapons to Syrian rebels. Konop’s link with more on Susan Rice reported that a reluctant President Obama may have been persuaded by UN Ambassador Susan Rice to adopt the implemented policy in Libya. And while that’s going on the head of the CIA, David Petraeus, is diddling with sweetie.

Now Susan Rice happily withdrew her name from consideration as Secretary of State. Hillary’s out of testifying, excused by John Kerry her replacement. Susan Rice won’t offer her testimony, ever, as she has withdrawn. So let’s concentrate on Sunday talk show appearances. It’s easier.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 11:41 am

Some military believe an attempted faked Stephens kidnapping was planned at the highest levels to give Obama an excuse to turn over the Blind Sheikh to the kidnappers in return for Stephens. Getting the Sheikh released is a top priority for Egypt and other Islamic countries. When Obama negotiated for Stephens’ release he (Obama) would look like a hero in October.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012/09/12/libyan-officials-us-ambassador-killed-in-attack/57752828/1

As with Nixon – it’s not the crime it’s the coverup.

bowersville December 16, 2012 at 12:00 pm

Plato wrote this in the classic “The Republic.” The statement, or line, has been referred to as the Socratic Principle as Plato was a disciple of Socrates.

“follow the argument wherever it leads”.

I believe the Socratic Principle can be applied here as “Follow the evidence wherever it leads.” In other words the evidence will lead to the conclusions, not the other way around.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 12:22 pm

The evidence is being suppressed, which leads to hypothesis and supposition.

The Paul Shanklin “Hillary Testifies” parody song
sung to the tune of “Try to Remember” (The Fantasticks, 1962)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycPoxZ1NPBY

COUNSEL: “Welcome to Grand Jury, Mrs Clinton. How are you?
HILLARY: “I’m sorry I don’t recall.”
COUNSEL: Well, how’s the book tour?
HILLARY: “I’m sorry I don’t recall.”
COUNSEL: “Uh, well, let’s get started.”
[singing]
COUNSEL: “Try to remember
. when you were a member
. of Rose Law Firm
. and worked White Water.”
HILLARY: “I don’t remember
. that big money lender.
. I was, uh, baking cookies
. for my daughter.”
COUNSEL: “Well Mrs. Clinton, don’t you remember
. that illegal tender
. and your shady friend
. that McDougal fellow?”
HILLARY: “I’m sorry. I can’t remember.
. My brain’s in a blender.
. It’s jello.”

I Miss the 90s December 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm

Bunch of whiners. All of you.

The election is over. You guys lost. Move on.

If you really care about American lives and our credibility then call for an investigation of the Iraq War. I know, I know…that would not be politically advantageous for the GOP…so you don’t care about those American lives.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 3:55 pm

Just because we lost it means there won’t be a real investigation?

I Miss the 90s December 16, 2012 at 4:40 pm

There is nothing to investigate. There never was. Just like Operation Fast and Furious. Issa and the right wing media will spin their yarn, but it is only about trying to trash the other party rather than accept the truth.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 5:10 pm

You can’t handle the truth.

John Konop December 16, 2012 at 5:27 pm

Harry,

This Looks like a CIA operation and if so we really do not want public hearings on all the details via safety of our assets in the field. We could be putting our own people as well as informants in harms way.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 6:40 pm

John,

I have little confidence in the CIA’s ability to protect its own assets, be an effective tool of the government, and protect our interests. Any asset that is naive enough to be a CIA asset, is already in harms way. The CIA was more effective in the day of Angleton but not now.

I Miss the 90s December 17, 2012 at 1:25 pm

The truth is the GOP wants a crack at an off-cycle election…like in Massachusetts after Kerry leaves his senate office to become SoS.

Ed December 16, 2012 at 6:48 pm

As someone who has been concussed many times it makes sense to avoid having to think for a while. Well it gave me temporary cover for my dumbness at least. Anyway my point is….meh. she’s likely just postponing the inevtibale.

Then again were all dying on Friday so who cares

Harry December 16, 2012 at 6:55 pm

“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the State.” — James Angleton

IndyInjun December 16, 2012 at 7:28 pm

Hubby Bill teamed with Phil Gramm to give us CFMA of 2000 and repeal of Glass Steagall.

There have not been more stupendous errors in government in my lifetime than those two actions.

QE to Infinity and Too Big Too Fail are twin toxic overdoses.

The world needs no more Clintons or Bushes.

Harry December 16, 2012 at 7:35 pm

“Too big to fail is too big to jail”

I Miss the 90s December 16, 2012 at 10:23 pm

Too big to fail is capitalism. Love it or leave it.

Young_Pun December 17, 2012 at 4:00 am

I thought failing was essential to capitalism? Weird.

John Konop December 17, 2012 at 7:16 am

Not capitalism, in fact the father of capitalism warned about this, we use to enforce anti-trust laws…….

saltycracker December 17, 2012 at 9:21 am

Too big to fail is an oligarchy

I Miss the 90s December 17, 2012 at 1:22 pm

Ultimately the goal of the capitalist is to become economically, and socially, indispensable.

Stefan December 17, 2012 at 12:57 pm

Oh, good, want to talk who was really at fault for Glass-Steagall’s repeal? It ain’t Bill.

Harry December 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm

Politicans influenced by the banking lobby were at fault.

IndyInjun December 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm

Isakson and Chambliss voted for CFMA of 2000. Gramm Leach Bliley also had wide support.

Bill has said that those 2 bills were mistakes that he regrets.

Bill isn’t as reflexive in his own defense with respect to these matters.

John Konop December 17, 2012 at 9:24 am

Stories like this are dangerous, the GOP should back down or they will get blow back………………

….. When House Republicans called a hearing in the middle of their long recess, you knew it would be something big, and indeed it was: They accidentally blew the CIA’s cover….

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-letting-us-in-on-a-secret/2012/10/10/ba3136ca-132b-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_story.html?hpid=z7

Three Jack December 17, 2012 at 9:30 am

So a State Dept. official provides a map showing classified locations and it is the fault of GOPers conducting the hearing??? Only somebody as biased as Dana Milbank could misconstrue the story so bad in order to try and blame GOPers.

John Konop December 17, 2012 at 9:49 am

I am a civilian and put 2 and 2 together on this issue. I would hope a U.S. congressman with better information than I could……………..

Harry December 17, 2012 at 2:11 pm

What if the operation itself was politically motivated? Shouldn’t the public have a right to know?

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