Morning Reads For Monday November 12, 2012

November 12, 2012 7:00 am

by Buzz Brockway · 60 comments

Georgia Items
- Leadership positions in the House and Senate Republican Caucuses are up for grabs this week. (insert rumors and wild speculation here).
- Flipped classrooms are a great idea in my opinion.
- Georgia unlikely to implement Obamacare healthcare exchanges.
- This actually exists. Come on people.
- An earthquake in Kentucky yesterday was felt in metro Atlanta.
- Former President Carter joins the Board of Trustees of Mercer University. No word yet from Mercer’s most famous alum Erick Erickson.
- Q&A with Frank Poe, head of the World Congress Center. News Flash: he supports building a new stadium.

Charlie may need to find somewhere else to donate needless traffic enforcement money.

National/International Items
- CIA Chief David Petraeus resigned Friday afternoon amid rumors of an affair.
- A recommendation to ignore the President and go over the fiscal cliff because it doesn’t really exist.
- Herman Cain says form a 3rd Party but Paulians not welcome.
- Glow in the dark “smart lanes” being tested in Europe. Good idea or Agenda 21?
- Isreal fires back at Syria.
- 250,000 people still without power in New York.

Other Items
- The Falcons lost to the dreaded Saints.
- Texas A&M shook up the college football National Championship picture. Gig’Em Aggies!
- The Dawgs punched their ticket to the SEC Championship game.
- Georgia Tech suddenly finds itself back in the hunt for the Coastal Division title.
- The Jackets basketballers opened the new McCamish Pavilion with a win.
- It’s splitsville for Justin Bieber and Selena Gomez. No word from Jason Pye.

Noway November 12, 2012 at 7:29 am

Good riddance to all traffic cams. They are nothing more than electronic harassment to the citizens. It never was about public safety. It was all about stealing more from the folks. To quote Bob Dole, “I know it, you know it, the American people know it!”

saltycracker November 12, 2012 at 9:42 am

The billings dropped 2/3rds because folks stopped running the poorly timed lights in Roswell.
Behavior changed.
The stats may not support safety but indicate that being a jerk running the lights is about nuisance drivers.
Now they can go back to being jerks and road hogs blocking intersections.
The only avenue correctly timed in Roswell is Holcomb Bridge west of 400.

John Konop November 12, 2012 at 7:48 am

This will be a defining moment for the Tea Party. Does the Tea Party become a watch dog group on issues or does it become a third party? The Tea Party could become the voice as a third party with a demographic that is getting older. That may work short term, but it is not a look term play. If it becomes a watch dog group they could have a long life in my opinion.

I do think talk radio would like the third party concept, rather than compromise within the party.

Harry November 12, 2012 at 8:40 am

Herman Cain is wrong this time. The only hope for the GOP is to find common cause with the Paulistas and others. I believe this because I engage my teens and twenty-five year old in heated discussions. In general, the younger crowd doesn’t trust either of the two corrupt parties. They realize it’s a corrupt, inside game. The selection process is cooked with delegates from far-flung outposts like American Samoa. Ron Paul wasn’t even allowed to speak at the convention and was treated like an outcast. There was no outreach to Johnson supporters. The entire GOTV effort in the last 72 hours was sabotaged by the Chicago Democrats. The GOP absolutely cannot be perceived as Democratic Lite or your daddy’s Cadillac. They have to reform themselves off the DC/NY Establishment, be the Anti-Democrats and attract the rest of us. They must attract disaffected youth, religious pro-family people from all faiths, Libertarians and anti-establishment types, small business people not on the welfare tit…and somehow all of these subcultures must leave behind the “my way or the highway” mentality. In a couple of years what is being suppressed by the corporate media about BHO’s Chicago Way as well as all of the Keynesian shortcomings, will be obvious. With a new generation of inclusive Reagan-style leadership the GOP can thrive again. Otherwise a genuine third party alternative will come into being, just as in 1854-56.

Engineer November 12, 2012 at 9:57 am

I agree, Herman Cain is wrong on this. Rather than making in-roads and strengthening ties, the GOP has been tirelessly working to alienate anybody that dares speak out of the party line. So much for the GOP being a “big tent” party.

kyleinatl November 12, 2012 at 9:58 am

Here’s the problem, disaffected youth are much more liberal socially than the goals than the religious pro-family types are looking for. I completely follow you on inclusive leadership and the selling of fiscal conservatism, but its the social policy that will continue to turn off the youth vote in general (every generation is more liberal than the next).

kyleinatl November 12, 2012 at 9:59 am

That* the religious pro-family types I meant to say.

Harry November 12, 2012 at 10:18 am

Strong inclusive leadership will build the biggest tent. Sure, the pro-family religious of all ages have an agenda that’s different from say Libertarians, but not really that different. Religious people understand that humans have the option of free choice whether good or bad, and codified restrictions on free will are limited in effect. Libertarians understand that bad lifestyle choices will lead to bad outcomes, and the idea is to do no harm. Well-meaning people can see past the details.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 10:34 am

@kyle: The youngsters certainly are more in favor or at least unopposed to gay marriage, but abortion is a different animal. “A 2011 Gallup Poll found that while 69% of Republicans over 55 called themselves “pro-life” 73% of those under 35 did so.”

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147941/republicans-unified-democrats-abortion.aspx

A majority of Americans are pro-Life, that can’t be dropped and shouldn’t be.

kyleinatl November 12, 2012 at 3:00 pm

How you do get that a majority of Americans are pro-life from a poll of people that identify as Republican? That’s quite a sweeping generalization don’t you think? There’s also a difference to being personally opposed to abortion and believing the government should have a role in restricting/outlawing it.

Single women vote too…this is a personal issue, it’s going to be a problem for the GOP until they adjust.

kyleinatl November 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm

Also, considering how poorly Gallup did this cycle, it’s probably best to not cite them for a bit..

Baker November 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm

That poll included Democrats as well, 32% of which identify as pro-Life. My points about the number of young Republicans who are pro-life and the country at large were separate but related.

I’d venture to say if the options are pro-Choice or pro-Life, you know what you’re pulling the lever for when you choose one.

And say what you will about Gallups 2012 success or lack thereof, but my point on this issue remains the same.

SallyForth November 12, 2012 at 5:56 pm

Baker, every woman I know is pro-choice AND pro-life, certainly not pro-death. We should not allow people to highjack and hide behind a generic term that applies to pretty much everybody.

Women of all ages tell me they are not for abortion, and that they would not personally choose to have an abortion – there would have to be extenuating circumstances that would force them to do that, and they pray to never be in that situation. BUT they demand the right to make that private decision for themselves. They adamantly oppose laws that take away choices from any female American concerning her own body.

So, pro-choice and pro-life are not opposites. Anti-abortion people are being dishonest. They certainly are NOT pro the life of a woman or girl who happens to get pregnant by whatever means. The public should not let politicians cover up their anti-women’s rights agenda by referring to them as “pro-life” when nothing is further from the truth.

Effort to extend big government into our private lives has to be taken off the GOP agenda, if they are ever to be the party of small government. It is not a political matter, and they should stand up and say so. They need to be true statesmen, support everyone’s Constitutional right to privacy, and urge women to take this difficult personal decision to their church and their doctor.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 6:50 pm

Sally, with all due respect, call it anti-abortion if you wish, but pro-choice and pro-life are pretty standard terms on this issue now. If a pollster calls you and you’re pro-choice, not pro-death mind, you’re not going to say pro-life. Sure, some might, but not many.

Again, citing Gallup (let’s say they’re five points off if you want to quibble over Gallup accuracy): 68% (or 63%) of Republican women are pro-life. 30% (or 25%) of Democrat women are pro-life.

(I’m really stepping way out into the DMZ here: A-word arguments are never good. I’m merely citing statistics and arguing GOP abandonment of all social issues is not a good idea)

Baker November 12, 2012 at 7:00 pm

Having said all that: This issue is waay down on the list. I don’t think any social issue disagreement should be an automatic dis-qualifier for a candidate. But to just drop this one would be a mistake and frankly, you want to talk about a third party? The social conservatives would bail immediately. It would hand Dems election victories for a generation.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 12, 2012 at 7:28 pm

@ Baker:
The GOP doesn’t have to abandon all social issues, but they probably most definitely have to stop demagoguing on social issues that are most definitely NOT going their way, like gay marriage and, ESPECIALLY, abortion.

I mean, how clear can it be that taking the position of wanting women to carry dead babies and the babies of their rapists to term and banning contraception and birth control is a non-starter with most voters no matter how pro-life they are, ESPECIALLY women?

There just is no getting around the reality that taking the position that women should be forced to carry dead babies to term and taking the position that women should be forced to carry the babies of their rapists to term understandably sounds sick, if not downright sadistic, to most of the electorate and is a recipe for political suicide.

SallyForth November 12, 2012 at 8:05 pm

LDIG, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

@Baker, you’re making my point that the wording is misleading on this and similar polls. Giving women in the poll only those two choices is no choice at all because the wording is faulty. Being opposed to a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy under all circumstances is not the same as being pro-life. Pretty much 100% of self-proclaimed Republican or Democratic women (excluding only advocates for death) are for life and living.

Interjecting itself into this intensely personal individual medical decision has run more people away from the GOP than toward it. They can placate the hardcore anti-women’s rights people by stating that since this is not a political area, the GOP recommends this matter be taken up in the religious and medical communities. Cut it loose before it sinks the party! There are other conservative social issues that ARE governmental, such as enforcing existing immigration laws, encouraging civil unions instead of same-sex marriage, improving education for our children, etc.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 8:16 pm

@LDIG: A huge majority of those that are pro-Life are in favor of the rare exception. I never said they weren’t…..I’m about to quote…the ever-beloved Ann Coulter here from a column Mssr. Harper pointed out to me the other day. Sorry Ann for ripping a boatload of your column, but normally you’re a jerk so I’m doing it:

“The last two weeks of the campaign were consumed with discussions of women’s “reproductive rights,” not because of anything Romney did, but because these two idiots decided to come out against abortion in the case of rape and incest.

After all the hard work intelligent pro-lifers have done in changing the public’s mind about a subject the public would rather not think about at all, these purist grandstanders came along and announced insane positions with no practical purpose whatsoever, other than showing off.

While pro-lifers in the trenches have been pushing the abortion positions where 90 percent of the country agrees with us — such as bans on partial birth abortion, and parental and spousal notification laws — Akin and Mourdock decided to leap straight to the other end of the spectrum and argue for abortion positions that less than 1 percent of the nation agrees with.

In order to be pro-life badasses, they gave up two easy-win Republican Senate seats.

No law is ever going to require a woman to bear the child of her rapist. Yes, it’s every bit as much a life as an unborn child that is not the product of rape. But sentient human beings are capable of drawing gradations along a line.

Just because I need iron to live doesn’t mean I have to accept 100,000 milligrams, which will kill me. If we give the guy who passed bad checks a prison furlough, that doesn’t mean we have to give one to Willie Horton. I like a tablespoon of sugar in my coffee, but not a pound.

The overwhelming majority of people — including me — are going to say the law shouldn’t force someone who has been raped to carry the child. On the other hand, abortion should be illegal in most other cases.

Is that so hard for Republicans to say? ”

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-11-07.html#read_more

Baker November 12, 2012 at 8:18 pm

…and by “pointed out to me” I mean, he put it on his Facebook page or Twitter account or something….

kyleinatl November 12, 2012 at 9:56 pm

Baker, do you think though perhaps by dropping abortion as a platform issue, you could make better a appeal to moderate women who only vote for the Dems because its such a personal issue for them. Imagine if that distraction was gone and they were able to hear your party’s message of fiscal conservatism. Isn’t it better to purloin from the opposition’s vote rather than silo yourself into “gotta get the base out!”.

kyleinatl November 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm

forgive the lack of question marks, agh what I’d do for an edit function around here.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 11:01 pm

@kyle: You might attract some more women by dropping it completely. But I guarantee you’ll lose a whole boatload of votes that would more than make up for those you’d get. They wouldn’t vote for the Dems, but the GOP wouldn’t win.

If it were a perfect world, I’d like us to address and agree on the fiscal issues immediately and then we could all fight over the social issues.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 12, 2012 at 11:34 pm

Baker…November 12, 2012 at 8:16 pm-
Ann Coulter was wrong in her assertion that “No law is ever going to require a woman to bear the child of her rapist.”

The Human Life/Personhood Amendments that have been proposed in about a dozen or so states and even kicked around by some lawmakers at the federal level, including by the now-notorious Todd Akin and the 2012 GOP Vice Presidential Nominee Paul Ryan, would have in effect banned all abortions in every case, including rape, incest and life and health of the mother (and even outlawed many forms of hormonal birth control, the Plan B/”Morning After” pill and in-vitro fertilization, which is used by couples struggling to conceive children) by designating a fetus a human being from the time of conception or even before as it pertains to embryoes.

The Human Life/Personhood Amendment approach which has been increasingly utilized by conservatives within the past decade, would have outlawed abortion in ALL cases (including rape, incest, health and life of the mother) by making the act of abortion a capital crime that is equivalent to homicide.

Now I personally have no problems with wanting to protect unborn children and am not personally all that big of a fan of abortion, ESPECIALLY the act of late-term abortion.

But when someone says that along with abortion, they want to ban BIRTH CONTROL, IN-VITRO FERTILIZATION and the MORNING-AFTER PILL, it tends to get attention of the public, including the attention of those of us who might otherwise be pro-life in most cases, and NOT in a very good way.

I think that it is a noble thing to want to protect the lives of the unborn, to want to see each human life at least have the opportunity to recognize its potential, but there comes a point at which an argument can be taken too far, which appears to have become the case with the GOP and their case against abortion.

In the minds of many voters, the GOP had already become “The Abortion Party” before the 2012 election cycle, meaning that the GOP talks about abortion so much as to almost turn people off from being receptive from the issue.

When it comes to abortion, the GOP had already become a crazy relative or friend that is always incessantly and obsessively talking about abortion to the point that you just don’t want to talk to them anymore and even go the other way whenever you see them coming because you know that they are going to be talking about the very uncomfortable issue of abortion whenever you see them.

To make matters worse, during the 2012 election cycle, the GOP not only kept seemingly obsessively talking abortion, an issue that is already uncomfortable enough as it is, but also seemingly started talking banning contraception and birth control and talking about abortions resulting from rape.

The GOP has gone from being a group of people (mainly old white men) that already seem to have been maybe a little too overly obsessive about abortion to being a group of people (mainly old white men) that come across (especially to women) as being totally insensitive creeps by talking about changing the definition of rape so as to be able to ban all abortion.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 11:41 pm

@LDIG: i won’t go point by point but…

1) Her point was that even though some loons propose bills to ban it in all cases, they won’t pass
2) As I’ve said before NO ONE EVER PROPOSED BANNING BIRTH CONTROL ONLY THE GOVT FUNDING OR MANDATING OF SAID BIRTH CONTROL
3) You want to talk about the party of abortion? Give me a freaking break. Damn near every speaker at the Dem convention talked about it. Check the records, I dare say very few at the Repub convention mentioned it. Last I checked that fool Todd Akin wasn’t a speaker at the Repub convention. Sandra Fluke, who became a celebrity because she wanted GOVT MANDATED BIRTH CONTROL COVERAGE, she was a “star” speaker.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 13, 2012 at 12:46 am

Baker…November 12, 2012 at 11:41 pm-
I didn’t say that Democrats don’t ever talk about abortion as they tend to often go too far to the other extreme of advocating for late-term abortions right up to the moment of birth (and seemingly in some cases even beyond the moment of birth).

It’s just that with all of the numerous anti-abortion measures, especially the Personhood amendments in various state legislatures around the country and the continued focus on abortion seemingly to the point where they are even willing to go the extreme of redefining rape in a continuing attempt to ban all abortion, the GOP has manuevered itself into an increasingly tight corner where it could be easily demonized by the left as being too extreme on abortion and openly hostile to womens’ health issues.

And the only reason that the GOP didn’t talk about abortion at their 2012 convention is because by that point the damage had already been done in the party painting itself into a corner on abortion and birth control (with the help of a certain big fat gasbag POS talk radio host who played right into the Democrats’ hands and shall remain unnamed) and any further talk of banning abortion would have been further used against them by the mainstream/liberal media as further so-called proof of their anti-female religious zealotry.

Todd Akin may not have been a speaker at the 2012 GOP Convention, but it was very clear that his presence hung heavy in the air over the proceedings via the mainstream/liberal media which took great joy in closely monitoring the event for even the slightest mention of the word abortion so as to be able to gleefully hang it around the Repubs’ necks at the first opportunity.

seekingtounderstand November 12, 2012 at 9:39 pm

Well stated Sally.
Has anyone noticed that some of the well meaning christan pro-life news letters that give adivice on voting for canidates with pro-life values are being used as shields to get folks elected who are not worthy.
As much as I value life for all, when you vote for this one issue of pro-life it makes it easy for “the bad seed” to get elected.
In Ga its the issue that is putting bad reps in office.
I have seen outrageous behavior from elected reps who won under the pro-life approval shield. Its like they become “saints” for taking the pro-life pledge but then they turn into crooks once in office.
Anyone notice this?

Baker November 12, 2012 at 10:52 pm

I absolutely agree with you here. Voting on issue is not a wise move. That’s how we end up with Christine O’Donnell and Richard Mourdock sitting at home rather than Senator Castle (I think he was the Del. guy right?) and Senator Lugar.

And maybe y’all haven’t been following some of the controversy with the Georgia Right to Life group but in a good example of what “seekingto” is talking about, the GRTL rejected Karen Handel because of her exceptions, that was dumb. Regardless of whether you think she could’ve been a good governor, to run her out of the race on that is ridiculous.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 11:14 pm

I meant to say “voting on one issue” is not a wise move

saltycracker November 12, 2012 at 10:07 am

The tea party has dissolved into white panther groups but with very different causes. The trend seems to be that the more unstable the world seems, the more the population wants big daddy to handle matters. The election showed that locally we still think we’re individual Republicans but nationally we’re Democrats wanting big daddy.

This isn’t going to change until big daddy can’t handle it for us and we realize our ideal Republicans answer only to their me-first inner circle…….when that happens, it’ll get ugly.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 8:22 am

Would love to know Buzz’s thoughts on this one:

“Super majority could lead to split of Fulton”
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/super-majority-could-lead-split-fulton/nS4Wj/

I think this is unbelievably short-sighted and…wait for it because I am actually going to say this as much as it pains me….might be a bit racist.

Now granted, north Fulton has tried for a long time to work with south Fulton/ Queen Emma and Co. but you can only get slapped in the face x number of times before you decide to turn your back…but still, it’s a very bad idea. Kasim Reed needs to step in big time on this one, but his constant badmouthing of Repubs on Meet the Press and TSPLOST certainly hasn’t won him any political capital OTP.

saltycracker November 12, 2012 at 9:16 am

I’ve posted this impact on education before and a Nov. 19 Forbes article suggests it bears repeating.

“One man. One Computer. Ten million students. Our $1.3 trillion school system is ripe for revolution.” by Michael Noer, Forbes.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelnoer/2012/11/02/one-man-one-computer-10-million-students-how-khan-academy-is-reinventing-education/

You, your kids, grandkids and teachers should tune into Salman Khan.
http://www.khanacademy.org/

Buzz Brockway November 12, 2012 at 4:49 pm

I love Kahn Academy. I use it to help supplement my kids (and my) classroom education.

chamblee54 November 12, 2012 at 9:28 am

The Petraeus affair, or affairs, shows, among other things, the danger of believing your own publicity. This may be true for BHO as well.
Twitter is designed for a gossipfest. Pass the popcorn.

Noway November 12, 2012 at 9:56 am

Oh, I was heartened to see that the grand plaza Brussels has decided to forgo a Christmas Tree and go with some horsequeeze Winter or Holiday Tree. The reason? Don’t want to offend those Muslims!

Stefan November 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm

It was tacky anyway.

Noway November 12, 2012 at 3:04 pm

LOL! You mean the tree was going to be tacky?

Stefan November 12, 2012 at 3:43 pm

In years past, their entire winter wonderlandapalooza was hideously tacky. I mean, it doesn’t matter because of all the vin chaud, but there’s like a ferris wheel or something and a bunch of plastic animals. Oh, and a disorienting light show.

Still, it’s way better than the Manneken Pis in his santa outfit. (http://static.atlasobscura.netdna-cdn.com/images/place/manneken-pis.9076.large_slideshow.jpg)

That may be the worst tourist attraction in the entire world.

Noway November 12, 2012 at 10:15 am

All of the hand wringing the GOP is doing will likely go on for a very long time. My prescription? Abortion will never again be made illegal. The GOP needs to be tolerant to pro-choice. The decision to have one is between the woman in question and her religious beliefs or lack thereof. That’s just plain practicality speaking. Women will never embrace a party that she perceives is telling her what she can do with her body. We all have known this for two generations now. Gay marriage? Go for it! The whole movement is centered on insurance and survivorship benefits. And the lawyers will love it. Why not let them be as miserable as most married couples? And most folks like the fiscal aspects of the Repub party. Most see the reasonableness of not spending more than you earn. I’d love to see a Republican run on these issue. I’m damn curious as to how he/she would be received.

Harry November 12, 2012 at 10:27 am

People have to realize that abortion is not necessarily a religious issue for everybody, but is a human rights issue. Unborn babies should have right to life. There is a beautiful young lady who is the product of a rape, who has come out and is raising awareness on this point.

SallyForth November 12, 2012 at 5:58 pm

Where is our P/P buddy Byte Me when we need him?

chamblee54 November 12, 2012 at 10:33 am

When we were preparing to invade Iraq, there was a tax cut passed, with the support of both parties. This one act shows the divide between rhetoric and reality on a number of levels. People who claim to be pro life wanted to go kill women and children eight time zones away. People who claim to support smaller government wanted to send 200k troops eight time zones away, to kill women and children. People who claim to want fiscal responsibility voted for a tax cut, before sending 200k troops eight time zones away, to kill women and children.
chamblee54

Baker November 12, 2012 at 10:38 am

Yes, you nailed it. We went to war with Iraq, not to bring down a three-decade menace dictator playing chicken on nuclear weapons, but clearly we went to kill women and children.

You have a good point actually, and maybe we’ve reached the point where to bring attention to something you have to be as crass as possible, but I don’t think we’ve reached that point yet.

chamblee54 November 12, 2012 at 11:30 am

WMD was the excuse for the war, not the reason.
No, killing women and children was not the primary reason for that war. However, we knew it would happen, and accepted it as a cost of doing business. If it had been pale skinned, english speaking, christian children, we might have been more careful.
People should know when they pass a tax cut, while preparing for war, that financial ruin is going to result.
chamblee54

Baker November 12, 2012 at 12:40 pm

I’ll agree we didn’t properly account for paying to go to war, but the debt disaster we’re looking at now is not a result of going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also: See Bosnian War for your reference regarding Christian folk. We went in there to defend Muslims against Christians.

Napoleon November 12, 2012 at 1:42 pm

So by saying we would be more careful if it had been, “pale skinned, english speaking, christian children,” you are saying, in the furute, that we would only be careful if we went to war with the UK, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Ireland, Bermuda, or the Bahamas?

I know we weren’t careful with those pale skinned, german speaking, christian children in Germany and Austria. In fact, we were so not careful that we bombed their zoo too!

Thank goodness we’ve only had to kill pale skinned christian children in WWII. But that was okay because we also got to kill plenty of not-so-pale skinned christian children in italy and not-so-pale skinned non-christian children in japan so i guess it was okay we had to kill a few pale-skinned german speaking children too.

Of course the japanese had no problem with killing non-pale skinned non-christian children in china or pale skinned christian children in hawaii.

Also, if Art Laffer is correct, then passing a tax cut can, and in the past this has proven to actually happen, provide more revenue than raising taxes will. If you look at federal revenues, federal receipts (in 2005 dollars) jumped from a low of $1,901,100,000,000 in FY2003 to $2,414,000,000,000 by FY2007. The highest receipts under Clinton in the last FY before the Tech Bubble burst was $2,310,000,000,000. There were two rounds of Bush tax cuts, in 2001 and in 2003.

Also, in FY 2002, the deficit was $172,700,000,000. In FY 2003 it rose to $402.8 billion and in FY 2004, it was $428.0 billion (in 2005 dollars), but it quickly went back down.

I will also add that the last budget prepared by the Republican Congress and signed into law by Bush had a deficit of $151.1 billion (FY 2007) while the first budget prepared by the Democratic Congress had a deficit of $415.7 billion (FY 2008), $1.274 trillion (FY2009) and $1.153 trillion for FY 2010…the first Obama-Reid-Pelosi FY.

So despite the fact we no longer have an active war in Iraq and we are leaving Afghanistan, we have deficits nearly 10 times the amount we had in the last year of Bush with much larger operations in both nations.

saltycracker November 12, 2012 at 12:49 pm

Petraeus: It is notable that the director of the CIA can’t keep a secret.

greencracker November 12, 2012 at 3:25 pm

+1

Three Jack November 12, 2012 at 4:50 pm

Bimbos, bombs and bloated bureaucracy = boondoggle in Benghazi.

Harry November 12, 2012 at 6:39 pm

Bending over backwards to bury BHO’s betrayal.

Harry November 12, 2012 at 6:28 pm

This message board is dead. We need the government workers back at their desks tomorrow and get some activity going!

Baker November 12, 2012 at 6:51 pm

Nobody got nothing to say on possible Fulton County split?

mountainpass November 12, 2012 at 8:18 pm

What do you want to know?

I grew up in Alpharetta. Dad paid very high taxes for MARTA, Grady, and the Fulton County Stadium(which they tore down before it was paid for BTW). We never used any of them. We had a very small crappy library in town(2 librarys north of the river), but dozens south of the river. The taxpayers from N.Fulton got little say, and little in services for their high taxes. I think it’s about time for Milton County to rise again.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 8:24 pm

I grew up in Alpharetta. I used MARTA every time I went to the aforementioned Fulton County Stadium because who would want to drive there when you can just take a train. I used MARTA to get to Hawks games and wrote a paper about it in 9th grade. I liked our little intimate library across the street from the elementary school, I never had any trouble getting books. You’r right, N Fulton doesn’t get as much in services. What the hell do they need in services?

Plenty of folks in the sub-30 set are moving back to the city. What happens in 2040 when an ancient (demographically) Milton County comes to Atlanta and says, we need help. I don’t think the city or Fulton Co would look so fondly on the second try. (since that’s what ended Milton Co in the first place, being broke in the depression and needing help from the capital) —–Those demographics probably won’t bear it like that, but you get the point ——

mountainpass November 12, 2012 at 8:51 pm

Well that is the new library you went to, the one I’m talking about was in the building where the courthouse is now.

The train went to the stadium?

You agree that they don’t need the services then why are they paying all that money in taxes?

I don’t think those in the old Milton County will come back groveling to Fulton. Things were very different back when Fulton absorbed Milton County during the depression. If anything without Milton, Fulton would be more likely to go bankrupt. If so good riddance Fulton County.

Baker November 13, 2012 at 12:49 am

I have a vague under-6/7 memory of the library being there. And the police station was downstairs. To me as a tiny person, it was idyllic.

Milton won’t come back, y’all are right, but my point is that it’s a fine thanks for the Milton-area folks who got a leg up back then to say screw you now that the rest of the county is dysfunctional.

If it’s any consolation (and it is to me), Queen Emma can’t be there forever. She’s getting old and when she goes, I think the whole thing changes over for the better.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/county-official-asked-to-stop-insulting-north-fult/nQTdG/

She’s terrible.

“Darnell said later, while talking about buying new cell door locks for the county jail, that she never agrees with Hausmann on anything because of the area she speaks for.”

“All this does is continue the drumbeat to separate the county,” Hausmann said.

Let’s not leave a huge chunk of the capital city of Georgia to twist in the wind because we’ve given up fighting some race-baiting relic on a county commission.

And for Emma’s sake, is she aware that 32% of North Fulton is not white?

saltycracker November 12, 2012 at 10:25 pm

So how did a ninth grader take a MARTA train (bus?) some years ago from Alpharetta to Phipps to catch the Hawks and get home alone & safely by legal curfew.
There’s an interesting paper here.

Baker November 12, 2012 at 11:04 pm

my dad went with me salty. we’d take marta to the north street station, go to the Varsity, walk back to the train and ride over to the CNN Center.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 13, 2012 at 12:22 am

@Baker, mountainpass:
I doubt that a re-created Milton County would ever need to be merged back into Fulton County like its precedessor had to be back during the Great Depression due to declining demographics (becoming too old and white) because of the continuing high rates of population growth in North Fulton county that is made up increasingly heavily of immigrants from Latin America and Asia.

In fact, since Atlanta is an increasingly very popular destination for both for South Asians looking to migrate directly from the Indian subcontinent to North America and for those looking to migrate within the U.S. (the largest Hindu Temple in the world outside of India is located in Metro Atlanta), North Fulton is in prime position to take full advantage of what is a pending explosion in immigration from Asia, a development which would further negate the need for a recreated Milton County to have to ever have to re-merge with the undeniably dysfunctional Fulton County.

As for the Constitutional requirement that caps the number of counties in the state at 159, the Legislature could get around the requirement of changing the Constitution by merging the remainder of Fulton County with DeKalb County to create a new Atlanta County when Milton County is recreated.

Heck, since Clayton County is so seemingly increasingly dysfunctional, all parties involved might possibly (though not necessarily) be better served by merging Clayton County into the new Atlanta County with the remains of Fulton and DeKalb when the new Milton County is created as a way of dissolving the continuously troubled school system in Clayton that does not look as if it is ever going to improve.

SallyForth November 12, 2012 at 8:28 pm

The Falcons’ loss on Sunday was not a team effort, but rather the result of one guy not being able to get his chunky butt into the end zone! Not once, but twice, our offense got down to the one-yard line. Both times Turner lost yards, went the wrong way, and cost us those touchdowns. Every time we were in 3rd down short yardage situations, he still couldn’t get it done. About every two weeks he makes a good run or two, but his lack of consistency caught up, did us in with the Who Dats.

Harry November 12, 2012 at 8:48 pm

‘Taints got lucky. The Witherspoon ankle and loss of Julio for a time during the game didn’t help. ‘Spoon will be back Sunday against Arizona and the D will have more depth. Let’s see how it goes for the ‘Taints when they show up for the rematch at the Dome in what, three weeks.

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