Obama Wins

November 6, 2012 23:24 pm

by Ed · 68 comments

CNN just called Ohio.

Ed November 6, 2012 at 11:31 pm

So what is next for Republicans?

ricstewart November 6, 2012 at 11:36 pm

Blaming other people (the lib’rul media, eee-legals, fraudulent voters, unions, Black Panthers…) for their loss instead of reflecting on what they may have done wrong and what they can do better next time.

bgsmallz November 6, 2012 at 11:37 pm

It’s not going to be popular here…but the gains that were available for the GOP were put out of reach on a national level due to ‘right wing’/’tea party’ candidates who were selected in primaries and roundly rejected in general elections.

That doesn’t mean it was wrong….4 more years to write that story, I assume.

However, the presidency and senate was there for the taking…and it seems the issue was that the right wing of the party undercut the ability to take the middle…will the party double-down on that message, move to the middle, or split into two factions?

Rick Day November 6, 2012 at 11:42 pm


debbie0040 November 7, 2012 at 1:11 am

Explain Connie Mack in Florida, George Allen in Virginia and Mitt Romney’s loss.

They were hand-picked candidates of the GOP establishment/elitists. They lost. Romney managed to blow it because there was not enough an contrast between him and Obama. It was pastel instead of bold colors.. He allowed the campaign to get side-tracked away from the economy and he allowed Obama to define him..

I knew Mack was going to lose big time as some tea party activists here did not vote for him. When I was observing the absentee ballot count in Palm Beach County, there were many ballots that voted for Romney and other Republicans but left the Senate race blank.

caroline November 7, 2012 at 7:35 am

The joke about Connie Mack was that he ran for the senate as a yard sign. George Allen? I would have thought he would be considered a tea party candidate. Mitt Romney lost because he had to move so far to the right during the primaries and did not even try to move to the center until October. Truthfully, after those clownish primaries I would not see any of those candidates being able to win a national election.

John Konop November 7, 2012 at 7:55 am


In all due respect the exit polling was clear. The GOP lost via women and Latinos voted for Obama. And we all know the issues by now……….

Rambler14 November 7, 2012 at 7:31 am

Don’t forget Stupid Todd Akin.

Dave Bearse November 7, 2012 at 12:19 am

The single most important thing conservative Republicans will want to achieve is gridlock. It remains to be seen if the few moderate Republicans left can put conservatives in check. Otherwise the Party will be relegated to minority status nationally.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 7, 2012 at 4:49 am

“Obama Wines…So what is next for Republicans?”

What is next for Republicans is mass suicide. Ropes, firearms, sleeping pills, poisons, Kevorkian-style drips, whatever your pleasure, Suicide is Painless…


What other option is there but suicide for the GOP if they can’t win gimme elections like this?

Of what use is the GOP to the American political system if they can’t even beat THIS GUY?

Dash Riptide November 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm

I worry for the future of @samolens’ twitter account.

thomaswheatley November 7, 2012 at 12:08 am

All hail Dash.

Trey A. November 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm

Not Lee Anderson… That was a disaster.

Trey A. November 6, 2012 at 11:34 pm

The real question: Is pot really going to be totally legal in Colorado?

Rick Day November 6, 2012 at 11:43 pm

of course not. That would be..like..free market, etc…

Rick Day November 7, 2012 at 1:00 am

oops…seems as though it is now legal to light up in Oregon, Washington, and Colorado.

And with that, the black market price of pot just dropped 15%. The cartels are not amused. Not that it is that high priced to begin with. Ounces of hydroponic bud now go for $300. Pretty soon it will be $200 and every retired couple, and their poodle will be hauling keys of the reefer east of the Mississippi. It’s for the grandkids.™

Pretty soon, the fun edgy feeling of having your door kicked in by the Lock n Load Club will be lost in a geezer’s haze of “I remember…prohibition”.

It’s happening. Not here yet. But damn if it is finally happening. Wonder what Tokeybama™ will do?

KD_fiscal conservative November 6, 2012 at 11:38 pm

Most didn’t want to admit it, it was pretty clear Lee was done for about a week or so. Looking at the future of the 12th district, what do yall think? Does it matter that Barrow emptied his war chest? Will a better candidate in 2014 be able to finally “Boot Barrow”?

ricstewart November 6, 2012 at 11:54 pm

I’m sure that the GOP will start recruiting a candidate for 2012 tomorrow morning around 8:30. In fact, I’d be really surprised if they haven’t already started.
From the moment Lee Anderson was nominated, he was just a placeholder for the 2014 candidate anyway. John Barrow will be easily defeated in two years, but Republicans in CD 12 should take this opportunity to take account of themselves and examine their own strategies.
CD 12th is a prime example of what happens when both parties ignore local races. When you don’t recruit good local candidates, you end up with bad crops to pick from in primaries. Let this be a lesson to the GOP in CD-2 and the Democrats in CD-9 and CD-14. Just because your district isn’t competitive now doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future.

xdog November 7, 2012 at 12:56 am

I don’t know. Gopers have chased Barrow from Athens to Savannah to Augusta and they haven’t landed a real punch yet. Barrow is center-left not ultra-left, does his constituent homework, and has enough money at hand so that I don’t think he’ll ever fall to a far right candidate.

ricstewart November 7, 2012 at 7:01 pm

I think he could easily be defeated by someone like Jesse Stone, Tommie Williams, Ashley Wright, or Deke Copenhaver (he’s an independent, but does anyone know which party he favors?)

KD_fiscal conservative November 7, 2012 at 10:45 pm

I don’t know Jesse Stone personally, but the more I hear about him, the more I like. Ric, we’ve talked on PP b/f but I can’t remember if you live in the 12th?

I think if anyone is going to win the 12th, they are going to have to directly undermine Barrow’s image as being “bipartisan” (this was attempted this cycle). I would have liked something more than just Barrow=Obama, b/c the people that hate Obama enough to believe anything associated with him is tainted, aren’t going to vote for anyone with a (D) after their name.

The candidate has to be smart enough to take on Barrow directly, but still be able to bring in the farm people of S. GA. If the candidate can’t go beyond the “repeal ObamaCare…small gov’t….regulations bad” they will lose. The third key aspect to this race is something GOP consultants still haven’t figured out how to do, that’s turn some of the black voters for the Repub. or at-least not piss them off enough to turn out for the other guy. This is tricky, but playing up religious themes could work, especially when running against an old white, socially moderate Dem. The black vote is critical b/c almost 1/3 of the votes are from richmond county(a heavily black urban area).

It seems like the consultants around here think they can just run candidates to the far right, use a few key Repub. talking points, turn out the base, and everything will be ok…clearly that didn’t happen, and its not going to happen.

ricstewart November 8, 2012 at 10:42 am

Yes, I’m in the 12th district.

In my estimation, Anderson’s campaign did a terrible job of highlighting Barrow’s more liberal votes and exposing his hypocrisy. For example, I got this letter fundraising letter from Barrow’s campaign (http://georgiatipsheet.com/2012/10/02/barrow-fundraising-appeal-i-support-obama/) and sent it to the 12th district GOP and Anderson’s campaign.
They used it in an NRCC television ad (here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z0NdIlLOT2Q), but all they focused on was the fact that Barrow admits to voting with Obama 85% of the time… nothing of Planned Parenthood, DADT, etc., which are unpopular in this area.

I agree that Republicans must do more to attract black voters in CD12. I think someone like Helen Blocker-Adams could garner black votes if she wanted to run (which I doubt) and if she had significant fundraising help and good consultants. I think Deke Copenhaver is popular with black voters in Augusta, too.

xdog November 8, 2012 at 7:32 am

ricstewart, I don’t live in the 12th and I don’t know any of those people, but I have to believe that if beating Barrow was as easy as you suggest that it would have happened by now.

I voted for Barrow when he was based in Athens and I was glad I had the chance. Now my rep is Paul Broun and I’m reduced to writing-in Charles Darwin. Sometimes democracy isn’t fair.

ricstewart November 8, 2012 at 10:49 am

I don’t mean to suggest that beating Barrow was easy until this year. This was the first realistic opportunity to replace John Barrow and they dropped the ball.

AMB November 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm

A hint from the Dem side:

One of the biggest tweets and retweets was “Rape creeps lose. Rape creeps lose. Rape creeps lose.”
Accept women as thinking, intelligent humans who have a right to think and choose for themselves. Distance the party from the whacko religious right. Actively, verbally condemn racist hateful speech.
Become more than the party of no.

KD_fiscal conservative November 6, 2012 at 11:40 pm

As I said yesterday, I was the TP’ers and other wackjobs that want to take over the party that turned the primary into a freakshow.

seenbetrdayz November 7, 2012 at 5:54 am

I think it had something to do with the Tea Party never quite coming to grips with the fact that fiscal responsibility applies to foreign policy as well. People wanted very badly to believe that they were going to bring back fiscal sanity but then they’d go off on how we need another front in the wars, so people just started questioning their consistency.

Jimmie November 7, 2012 at 9:17 pm

I believe it’s called Neo-Conism. They suffered from it greatly.

View from Brookhaven November 6, 2012 at 11:50 pm

Karl Rove is still holding out on FNC. You can tell that Baier just wants to reach over, pat him on the head, and go “There, there, buddy.”

Dash Riptide November 6, 2012 at 11:52 pm

It’s just a flesh wound.

SallyForth November 7, 2012 at 12:00 am

NBC is now doing the same thing as Rove, breaking down the outstanding Ohio votes. Plus they are saying that Florida and Virginia cannot be called tonight, that we will know tomorrow. Have to wait until all the votes are in tomorrow, per NBC, Brian Williams and his numbers guy.

Ed November 6, 2012 at 11:57 pm

Seeing as how my predictive powers were so excellent earlier I’m going to make another one…

This will be one of the most commented-upon threads in PP history.

Joshua Morris November 7, 2012 at 9:40 am


SallyForth November 6, 2012 at 11:57 pm

KD, you’re right that the right-wing nuts crippled and hobbled Romney in the primary. He had to try and overcome in just a few months all the damage done by Gingrich and Santorum. AMB, you’re right that Repubs have got to move back to the center and support women’s right to personal privacy in their lives.

Otherwise the coalition of far-left wingers together with people of color (both native born and immigrants) who are now compose 30% of our nation’s electorate (13% Black and 17% Hispanics) will continue to run our country into the dirt. And those percentages are even higher in Georgia.

Jimmie November 7, 2012 at 12:12 am

Personal Privacy like continuing to be able to kill unborn children? Forgive me if I am mistaken on what you are inferring.

David C November 7, 2012 at 2:25 am

The true weakness of the party is that Gingrich and Santorum were even able to damage him at all. There was only one plausible President, ever, in that field, and that was Romney. Anyone else in that field would have been crushed as a completely implausible commander-in-chief. It was the weakest field I can recall in Presidential politics for decades, full of media buffoons and real far right extremists. That Romney couldn’t waltz to the nomination without having to tick off all these ideological boxes and march past those clowns to the right on things like taxes and immigration seriously hobbled him as a candidate and hobbles your party going forward.

Baker November 7, 2012 at 3:30 am

@David: Primaries were amazingly weak. You nailed it. I don’t know if he could have overcome that junk but between that and (cue Griftdrift to disagree ) the media Romney started way way far back.

SallyForth November 7, 2012 at 10:49 am


Jimmie November 7, 2012 at 9:20 pm

He lost the race the day the RNC chose him as the anointed one. No one liked him in 2008 and no one I know even voted for him in the Primary.

Baker November 7, 2012 at 10:02 pm

But if any of the other candidates had won the primaries, Obama would’ve had a real Reagan-style win. Santorum? Newt? They would’ve gotten destroyed.

Jimmie November 8, 2012 at 7:04 pm

Agreed but you forgot the only candidate that was Fiscally Conservative and Socially Moderate.

KD_fiscal conservative November 8, 2012 at 7:44 pm

I really hope you mean Huntsman…not old ronny

AMB November 7, 2012 at 12:00 am

Sally Sally Sally. See, you just lost 2016. Far left? Into the dirt? Those hateful uneducated stereotypes don’t play well outside of the redder parts of the country. Keep up silly talk like that and watch another election go for the Dems.

SallyForth November 7, 2012 at 12:22 am

AMB, nah – I just lost a good night’s sleep watching the talking heads on TV and election reports. But the first thing we have to face tomorrow is reality: yes, Virginia, there is a far left and a far right.
And the two extremes are the major source of our nation’s current problems – nobody wants to meet in the center, reason together and work out solutions for things like that fiscal cliff we’re still headed for, jobs, economy, etc. We could sure use a few moderates from both parties.

saltycracker November 7, 2012 at 12:10 am

Too many BS polls thrown around and the more accurate followed demographics.

Jimmie November 7, 2012 at 12:14 am

Those Damn Ron Paulers! If only they would have gotten in line and behaved.

Dave Bearse November 7, 2012 at 12:48 am

If VA and FL go to Obama, and MT to Romney, you’ve at least a three way tie in your competition, Ed, and only two of the the five prizes have heft.

You may well need to develop rules for your tie breaker percentage. Will it be the sum of the difference between actual Obama percentage and predicted Obama percentage, and the difference between actual Romney percentage and predicted Romney percentage? Or something else?

My 303-235 pick and percentages were those of Nate Silver, the liberal leftist of average intelligence whose projections are extremely biased in favor of the Democrats, on his 538 blog at the time that I entered.

Andre November 7, 2012 at 1:22 am

By my count, if Hunter Hill holds on, the GOP now has a constitutional majority in the Georgia Senate.

Andre November 7, 2012 at 1:30 am

By that same count, the GOP holds 119 seats in the Georgia House.

Baker November 7, 2012 at 3:31 am

I’m gonna move to Colorado, try to forget about politics for a while (which should be easy with new laws in Colo.) and ride out the Great American Experiment with the brilliance of European governance.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 7, 2012 at 6:48 am

Today’s Republican Party: Snatching Defeat From The Jaws of Victory

I swear, if there is any group of people that could bungle a sure thing and screw this up it is the damned good-for-nothing GOP of 2012!

Rape, rape, rape, rape, rape!…Republican idiots just could NOT stop talking about RAPE!


I am sick to my stomach and totally disgusted that these totally useless idiots have lost in two “tries” to a ——— ——-!!!

This is so pathetic, this just so overwhelmingly ridiculously pathetic.

I can’t even talk about this anymore because I do, I am just going to totally lose my —-ing temper.

I swear, the national GOP is even more completely useless than our very own Georgia GOP.

Baker November 7, 2012 at 11:32 am

LDIG: They do love birth control, and no one ever proposed to take it away from them, but you’re telling me you’re okay with forcing Catholic institutions and others to provide it? It’s really not expensive. That was a Dem trick and clearly a damn good one that the media went right along with.

The rape thing? I don’t know what to say, Mourdock and Akin are idiots. Good thing the Tea Party got rid of Lugar.

NorthGaGal November 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm

None of the religious institutions in Georgia voiced a complaint about providing birth control to their female employees when state law mandated they provide birth control. The only reason the law changed was because state republicans couldn’t stand to have a law on the books like the one Obama was trying to push through.

If employees are contributing any of their wages towards their insurance, it should not matter what beliefs the employer/institutions have.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 7, 2012 at 2:39 pm

“LDIG: They do love birth control, and no one ever proposed to take it away from them”

Oh contraire, there were very notable forces within the GOP that within the past year or so have proposed to ban birth control.

Remember Rick Santorum, the guy that allowed the Dems to work that trick to near-perfection with the help of a certain notoriously famous talk radio host full of hot air (fat-a** Limbaugh)?

Remember all of the numerous state Personhood amendments that would have banned certain types of hormonal contraception as well as in-vitro fertilization for couples that struggle to conceive?

“Personhood Initiatives…Federal Personhood Amendment (ongoing)…Alabama Personhood Bill (2010)…California Human Life Amendment (2010)…Colorado Personhood Amendment (2010)…Florida Personhood Amendment(2010)…Georgia Human Life Amendment (2007-ongoing)…Maryland Personhood Amendment (2009)…Michigan Personhood Amendment (2010)…Missouri (2010)…Mississippi (2010)…Montana (2010)…Nevada (2010)…North Dakota Personhood Bill (2009)…South Carolina Personhood Bills (2)…Virginia Right to Life Bill (2010)”

Baker November 7, 2012 at 10:05 pm

Rick Santorum is a Catholic LDIG. And he’s a harcore one. Of course he believes birth control is not okay…but even the Rick-ster never proposed a govt ban on birth control. That’s ridiculous.

The Last Democrat in Georgia November 8, 2012 at 1:41 am

Rick Santorum did propose a government ban on birth control when he said that he thought that states should be able to ban control. It was Santorum’s comments on allowing states to ban birth control that gave Obama and the Democrats the idea to ignite their “War on Women” by ordering religious institutions to fund insurance coverage for contraception.

griftdrift November 7, 2012 at 12:03 pm

What was that prediction again?

caroline November 7, 2012 at 10:18 am

The 19th century is calling and it wants it candidates back.

Self_Made November 7, 2012 at 1:08 pm

That’s what it sounds like. Can’t hang around too long, I need to get back to “running this country into the dirt”…per Sally’s inference.

SallyForth November 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm

Self, you mean you’re one of the people who decided to run up $6 trillion additional national debt the last 3 1/2 years, almost doubling what it was in 2008? ‘Bet that was hard to do while sinking our economy and and netting more unemployed people at the same time.

Giving away trillions cumulatively to Wall Street robber barons (with not one perp walk) and foreign-domiciled companies like AIG, plus throwing money to an auto industry that still went bankrupt and stiffed their creditors (kudos to Ford for not taking part in that and becoming the most successful US auto producer), etc. ad infinitum – that had to be extremely stressful. Maybe you need to take a good nap. :)

NorthGaGal November 7, 2012 at 2:24 pm

Sally, golly gee, too bad that 8 years under the Bush administration put us in a debt situation to start with. We didn’t know how bad it was until Obama put the debt of two wars (that Bush kept off the books) onto the books after taking office. Add to that a do nothing Republican congress..oh wait, they did something..they did anything they could to keep the economy from recovering in their push to make sure Obama was a 1 term president.

jbgotcha November 8, 2012 at 11:26 am

I love how folks act like that didn’t happen. The budget would have looked crazy if Bush had put the wars on the books. Obama does it and now he’s to blame for all of it. Don’t get me wrong…Obama is a war hawk and has added to it, but the numbers aren’t all his doing.

AMB November 8, 2012 at 11:33 am

A war hawk? Justify that premise.

Jimmie November 9, 2012 at 9:04 pm

Attempt to extend Iraq stay. Afghanistan. Libya. Vast amounts of drone attacks on targets throughout the world. Winner of the Nobel Peace Prize? lol

seenbetrdayz November 10, 2012 at 8:11 am

Obama received nearly 10,000,000 less votes than he did in 2008. Why not ask some of those disillusioned voters what the premise is? I almost guarantee you that they will say it is because they are dissatisfied with Obama’s reluctance to end these wars.

So, when Bush was off nation-building, it was wrong. But when Obama does it, it’s okay? Partisan blindness at its finest!

I think the democratic party is due up for a similar split from within its own ranks. I’ll love to see it happen. Both parties need a shake up, but I have to warn democrats, the GOP has, at least, already started taking its medicine. The soul-searching has begun.

gcp November 7, 2012 at 11:18 am

The 47% won. Now they will rapidly become the 50%, 51% and on and on.

seenbetrdayz November 7, 2012 at 8:40 pm

Nah. Eventually the bottom will fall out and we will all get to start over with nothing, sort of like how Russia is doing after the USSR fell.

SallyForth November 7, 2012 at 11:39 am

And sends huge bouquets of gorgeous red roses to Todd Aiken and Richard Mourdock for all the female voters they shoo’ed his way during the final month before the election.

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