Morning Reads for Friday, August 24, 2012

Georgia economy: No growth for you!
– Atlanta parking. It’s come to this.
– Senator Johnny Isakson sees the fiscal cliff. Maybe he read the book.
Aimee Copeland goes home.
– Don’t forget Bi-Partisan Date Night is TONIGHT at Manuels. Six-ish.

The GOP Convention kicks off Monday. (Insert ‘eye of the storm’ metaphors here.)
Smart guys with math predict elections with eerie precision.
People really watch those Super-PAC ads? Who knew?
The latest White House cover-up.

Random Everywhere:
CollegeInsurrection is live!
– David Letterman proves it’s time to retire.
– Rick Warren cancels Presidential Civility Forum… due to… (wait for it)… incivility.

November 26 trial date set for Victor Hill, Sheriff-Elect of Clayton County. Pass the popcorn.
– Radio personality Kelly Stevens of 98.5 WSB-FM survives early morning wrong-way crash on GA 400.


  1. Regarding the parking “bill of rights,” I’m getting pretty tired of channel 11’s blatant issue advocacy. What ever happened to reporters covering the news instead of making the news?

    • Charlie says:

      You’ve got some folks who are trying to drill down into substance at WXIA, versus most of their competitors doing all crime stats and drive by interviews of political leaders. I’ll take some advocacy any day so long as it brings true understanding of problems we face locally to an audience that doesn’t often know who their elected officials are, much less what level of government is responsible for what.

    • Calypso says:

      Sorry, that comment was about a link found in one of the above mentioned articles, not one of those articles itself. DWS = Debbi Wasserman Schultz

      • Jackster says:

        Calypso – I know you did this intentionally, you misogynistic breeder – you left out the hyphens(s)…

        She prefers
        Debbi Wasserman-Schultz (or)
        Debb’i Wasser-man-Schultz (or)
        Crazi Canstoptalkerman-Schultz

        That is all.

        Oh, and hey from Savannah! Good to be here in Bill’s neck of the woods.

    • John Konop says:

      I am lost it is unconstitutional to provide entitlements, but it is constitutional to force someone to have a child and give it a death sentence if the kid gets sick, needs food…..if the parents cannot afford it? Kids do not pick their parents. Once again people like him are pro birth not pro life!

      ……….. Roe v. Wade has spawned more slaughter than all 20th-century tyrants combined. The consequences of this slaughter are entire lost generations of human beings who were denied by the law the right to live. The economic consequences from which we all suffer today — entitlements too costly to afford and too few wage earners to pay for them — are directly attributable to the absence of population growth.

      I am not arguing in favor of entitlements. The Constitution does not authorize the federal government to provide them. But when FDR and LBJ concocted their entitlement schemes in order to build permanent dependence on the Democratic party, they understood population growth. Their understanding, too, was slaughtered by abortion. A society that prefers death to life not only cannot prosper; it cannot survive. Soon 40 percent of federal tax revenues will be dedicated to interest on the federal debt, and most of that borrowing has been to pay for entitlements. We are headed for a cliff……….

      • Noway says:

        Interesting and accurate post John, especially about LBJ. He once crowed following the passage of his Great Society that he’d “have the blacks voting for the Democratic Party for the next 200 years…” Thanks alot, LBJ. Vote buying at its disgusting best.

      • Jackster says:

        @John – Speaking on behalf of someone who has seen the benefits of having the ability to choose when to have a child, I will tell you right here and now that if they had a child earlier in life, they would most certainly be on welfare. I would be most happy to put you in touch with the mother, if you feel the need to inform her of the consequences of her actions. Please keep in mind, she thinks about it daily, but you probably need to get pwned at least once to learn your place.

        I think it’s disingenuous to discourage government involvement and promote liberty, but to not do so for such a personal topic as building a family. You really must realize that your opinion is moot, and that if you want to discourage abortion, you first need to be in a point where you can counsel a young woman.

        In other news, I agree that entitlements are out of control; I also believe that military spending is out of control. To me, this country focuses more on fear than on opportunity.

  2. John Konop says:

    As Henry Ford warned years ago, if you drive down wages you do not have customers to buy your products. This race to the bottom for the cheapest workers at the end will hurt us and China.

    ………Economic slowdown: China confronts mounting piles of unsold goods

    ‘People were expecting more sales over the summer, and it just didn’t happen … Things are kind of crawling to a halt,’ analyst says……….

    • Three Jack says:

      Henry Ford also said, “It is not the employer who pays the wages. Employers only handle the money. It is the customer who pays the wages.”

      Consumers dictate wages. Seems we’re stuck in a vicious circle; consumers want stuff cheap because they are either out of work or making less so manufacturers must meet market demand by seeking lower costs methods of manufacturing including wages. Rinse, wash, repeat.

    • wicker says:

      And anti-Atlanta Republicans are doing their best to derail it. Why does the state have so much oversight over Atlanta anyway? Something has to be done about this. Or at least give the same oversight to Cobb, Gwinnett, Cherokee, Forsyth, Rockdale etc. that exists for Fulton. Go tell those places what they can and can’t do with their own tax revenue and their own transportation projects.

      • Charlie says:

        “Why does the state have so much oversight over Atlanta anyway?”

        In this case, it’s because the state is holding the bonds, not the City of Atlanta. I don’t believe you need more justification than that.

        • wicker says:

          Sorry. No deal. As if there is any chance of defaulting on those bonds, or any risk at all on the state. It is being done for ideological reasons.

          “Dudgeon said last month’s defeat of the T-SPLOST demonstrates metro Atlanta voters’ unwillingness to spend tax money on projects they think could be otherwise financed.”

          This is not a metro Atlanta issue. This is a city of Atlanta issue.
          And by the way … T-SPLOST passed in the city of Atlanta, 60% to 40%.

          Somebody needs to pass this on to Dudgeon.

          • Charlie says:

            If there’s no chance on defaulting, then let the city of Atlanta issue them and leave the GWCC out of it. Then you won’t have to hear a peep out of the state.

            That is, until, you end up with a situation like Jefferson Co Alabama (Birmingham), which is the largest municipal bankruptcy to date. And bankruptcy lawyers are now claiming the state is liable for their debts.

            Sorry, no deal. The state’s on the hook for the debt, the state gets a say in what happens.

            • wicker says:

              Well, cutting the state out of the deal is fine by me. And that is exactly what should happen if the state vetoes this.

            • wicker says:

              Yeah. Like Dudgeon would be any more willing to allow that money to be spent on the Beltline than he would on a stadium.

              • Three Jack says:

                Charlie has explained far better than I ever could why the City of Atlanta and surrounding areas are inextricably tied together. Trying to find almost $1B for a football stadium during these times requires all parties to be involved. Selling the deal will be even more interesting as many on both sides of the political spectrum oppose this allocation of tax funds.

  3. wicker says:

    Get ready for Clayton County to push ahead with MARTA. If this is to be believed, two anti-MARTA Clayton commissioners (Bell and Wole) were defeated and replaced with two pro-MARTA commissioners (Turner and Rook).

    “After an August 14 commission meeting, Bell told the Atlanta Journal and Constitution he would not allow Clayton County voters to decide whether to invest in rail and buses. In 2010, nearly 70 percent of Clayton County voters voted in a non-binding referendum to raise a one cent sales tax to join MARTA and start bus and rail service. Two years later, their wishes are still being ignored. The day after Bell’s statement appeared in the newspaper, voters showed him the door.”

    The article has other good stuff: rather than working transit for Cobb, Bell chose instead to lobby for a rail line from the Atlanta airport to Macon be included in T-SPLOST. Wole for his part “tried to use TSPLOST money to turn Tara Boulevard into a super highway.”

    And this nugget: “Turner assured voters at a forum last week that he supported a binding referendum on MARTA as soon as possible in Clayton County.” Are they willing to wait until 2014, or are they going to hold a special election to do it sooner? (Not that it matters … it will pass either way.)

  4. gcp says:

    Very strange…Isakson is concerned about the fiscal cliff yet he is one of the ones that helped push us over the fiscal cliff.

  5. John Konop says:

    Was this not over the line with what Fox did? No excuse for Al-Qaida, but giving them a road map………………..

    Al-Qaida linked websites threaten ex-Navy SEAL turned author with ‘destruction’

    …..Fox News on Thursday identified the author of the book, which is titled “No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama bin Laden,” as a 36-year-old former SEAL from Wrangell, Alaska. The Associated Press later said it had confirmed the author’s identity. (NBC News is not identifying the former SEAL.)…..

    • Three Jack says:

      It was a very small group of SEALs so his name likely would have come out eventually.

      Terrorists make idol threats against authors all the time. Salman Rushdie had a ‘fatwa’ issued against him 20 years ago with Muslims all over the world calling for his head. He is still going strong…I’m betting the SEAL has the skills to fend off most attacks if it came to that.

          • John Konop says:

            Other than watching morning joe in my house it is mainly sports and cable…… I also have kids and in my house they are playing games on the tube with their friends. Finally I do not like Fox or MSNBC talk shows, both sides just spew talking points. And CNN is unwatchable most the time.

            Most people can tell I am a pragmatist not an ideologue agree or not with me.

      • Noway says:

        If memory serves, they cancelled the fatwa on Rushdie but before they did he was in hiding for years.

      • Noway says:

        SEAL or not, no one wants to be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. No person can cope with that type of pressure.

        • Three Jack says:


          The fatwa stands and is validated every so often by the Iranian ‘spiritual leader’.

          I have the utmost respect for Navy SEALs. But if you are part of a very small contingent who decides to write a book about one of the most famous raids in history, it stands to reason that you will be outed at some point. It would seem he decided the financial payoff would offset the possibility of being exposed. His choice, his consequences.

          • John Konop says:

            Bart no excuse what Fox did, it shows tremdous disrespect for Seals! Fox should suspend all involved an issue an apology with a claim it is against policy.

            • Three Jack says:

              John, A SEAL who writes a book about a covert operation only months after its completion might have betrayed his oath while endangering other SEALs in future operations —

              If any apology should be issued, Matt Bissonnette should be apologizing to his comrades in arms for selling out. Trying to hide behind a fake name in order to seek profit at the possible expense of future operations and military lives is a chickensh*t act unfitting of an honorable SEAL.

              • Three Jack says:

                By comparison, I suggest you read ‘Lone Survivor’ by Marcus Luttrell who submitted his book to proper review before it was published. He also had the courage to use his own name.

                • saltycracker says:

                  Practically speaking when you write a non-fiction book you should anticipate reviews and more exposure to accomplish your personal objective $$$$film rights, fame. We already knew it was a great job by the Seals. TJ is on track here.

              • John Konop says:

                Wow, that is harsh and not cool. Cheney and the boys made millions off brave people that served our country and you say this……..Irronically you back the guys who made the real bucks and when they were called for duty they used any means to get out of it…….

                • Charlie says:

                  John, you have a SEAL that decided to take a profit route over a mission that frankly isn’t supposed to be talked about. Then you think a news organization is supposed to surpress his identity?

                  He chose to write a book, and quite a sensational one. That, ultimately, was his choice.

                  Journalists also have responsibilities. Fact checking the claims, making sure it isn’t a stolen valor situation, etc. These responsibilities do not include colluding with someone to keep his identity secret that decided to take a route of personal glory instead of following his oath as Three Jack mentions above.

                  • caroline says:

                    We don’t publish the name of juveniles accused of crimes so why out this guy? Yeah, he published a book but there was no reason for any news organization to publish his name. Eventually he probably would have come forward himself and owned up to being the author.

                    • Charlie says:

                      Is he a juvenile or an adult? If I’ve missed the fact that we have a juvenile that completed SEAL training, then you would have a great point. If not, he’s an adult that understands the consequences of his actions.

                      He chose to write a book. He appears to have violated his oath of commission and possibly U.S. law. Adult decisions have adult consequences.

                  • John Konop says:

                    We have been friends a long but I have to call on this. If this was in reverse and it was a GOP administration that killed Bin and it was CNN the GOP would be screaming………

                    I am just keeping real. As you know I have many issues with the Obama administration as I have publicly stated. And I have issues with both parties on a foriegn policy that is bankrupting our country, which is making the problem with terrorism worse.

                    I have tremdous respect for you because you have done great job of calling BS……..And this blog in general has attracted people who do think beyond a strict talking point ideology, which you should be proud of and I failed at.

                    In my opinion Fox crossed way over the line, still buy you drinks at the next pp,event I can attend, but this issues is BS….

  6. caroline says:

    Charlie, my problem is with a news organization taking the decision into it’s own hands. The guy very well may have violated his oath but a news organization has already decided that before the facts come out. This is a problem with a lot of the media these days–they jump the gun and don’t wait until ALL the facts come out.

    • wicker says:

      The real T-SPLOST agenda was to get the metro Atlanta economy, and by extension the Georgia economy, moving again after the shocks of the bubble burst, the real estate bubble burst, the Delta Air Lines troubles, corporate mergers gobbling up lots of local companies, the decline in defense-related jobs (both bases and contractors), declining manufacturing and agriculture-related jobs and having other real economic players in the region. Most of those lost jobs, companies and industries aren’t coming back, and a lot of the factors that made Atlanta (whether the city or the suburbs) one of the fastest growing regions in the country for 20 years can’t be replicated.

      The idea that it was some plot to harm the suburbs totally ignores that T-SPLOST had a ton of highway and express bus projects in it that benefited the suburbs. Yes, it contained a lot of projects for the city, but for obvious reasons: there are a ton of major employers and sites for conventions and tourists there, not to mention the airport, plus it is centrally located. Also, it makes sense to concentrate your economic development efforts in one region because of finite resources. If it wasn’t going to be Atlanta, where? Cobb? Why them and not Gwinnett? Or why Gwinnett and not Rockdale, Hall or Cherokee?

      You have to remember that they were operating on the idea that it was best for the entire metro Atlanta region to cooperate, to work together, to maximize the economic growth opportunities and potential. The T-SPLOST failure means that the regional approach has been rejected. So, not only will Atlanta not be working with the suburbs to grow and attract jobs, but the suburban regions – which are nowhere near monolithic by the way – won’t be working together either. Which stinks because a good chunk of the Atlanta suburbs have no economic value, no ability to attract or grow jobs, on their own without being associated with the larger region. But keep in mind that the new economy makes geography less important. Thanks to technology Los Angeles and Taiwan are no different than being in the next county, and are better than the next county if they have more trained workers than the next county does.

      That is what the T-SPLOST advocates were thinking about. (Whether they actually did a good job of it is another story). But it looks like the folks who were mainly concerned about the principle of keeping suburban money from being redistributed into the city weren’t even thinking about making sure that there was going to be money to redistribute in the first place.

      • Harry says:

        Do you know what percentage of Atlanta area jobs are in downtown/Midtown Atlanta? I don’t know the answer, but I bet it’s less than 10%.

            • Blake says:

              Oddly enough, these numbers don’t seem very easy to come by, probably because so few people are determined to convince themselves that Atlanta totally sucks and is a huge drag on the rest of its metropolitan area.

              The best indication I can find is here, on page 3, which numbers are unfortunately from the 2000 census. Perhaps someone wonkier than I can find updated 2010 numbers:

              Anyway, don’t know what you mean by “Atlanta area,” since that’s a vague term, and the numbers are just for Fulton, so it wouldn’t exclude, say, Sandy Springs, but the number of people cited as working in Fulton (regardless of county of residence) is 717,577.

              Of course that will have changed, what with big time recession shifts and all, but regardless, it suggests my wiseguy point that your “less than 10%” bet is wildly off the mark.

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