Speaking Of Lawsuits…

May 6, 2012 14:32 pm

by Buzz Brockway · 38 comments

Hat Tip: Political Insider

Discuss.

KD_fiscal conservative May 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm

Having been around Repub. politics for sometime, there are definately elements of racism from some, not all, of the “base” and some of the more shady politicians have gotten good at pandering to that crowd. Where do you think all the So. Dems/Dixiecrats went….they certainly don’t vote for the liberal Dems? I know some of you self-described conservatives want to deny this and will point to a few token example(probably West and Cain) and will be offended at this, but it is a matter of fact, and if you care about the future of the party, these type of things should stop. Another example, is the sometimes accepted notion, repeated several times over the course of the presidential primary, is that it’s mainly the ‘blacks’ that leech off the hardworking taxpayer’s by getting free stuff from the gov’t( EBT’s, Medicaid…etc).

Personally, I think the infiltration of ignorance and bigotry is a tragedy b/c I agree with much of the GOP platform(everything except extreme FP hawkism), but won’t help the GA-GOP for that very reason. Luckly, the younger generation is less likely to fall into this trap and is generally far more excepting of different type of folks and are also less likely to obsess over peoples personal lives.

22bons May 6, 2012 at 5:22 pm

You find the presence of bigotry and ignorance a tragedy because you agree with the principles of the GOP and yet you won’t help reclaim the GOP? Apparently the hard work of institutuon building is for someone else. Thanks for the help! I’m fed up with people that would rather talk than walk.

KD_fiscal conservative May 6, 2012 at 7:20 pm

Your right I probably should but I don’t have the time or patience, although I do support individual Repub. candidates that I like/agree with.

American Delight May 6, 2012 at 5:36 pm

If it’s wrong to call somebody a terrorist without evidence, isn’t it also wrong to call somebody a bigot without evidence?

Hekmati’s attorney claims the statements were made on the basis of bigotry, but we do not know the context of the recorded statements. A simple statement that somebody is a felon and can’t obtain a gun permit is not a “racist” statement in and of itself.

Doug Grammer May 8, 2012 at 7:09 am

However, calling someone a felon who is not one is a lie that will damage their credablity and reputation.

Ed May 6, 2012 at 5:49 pm

“but we do not know the context of the recorded statements.”

Yes. The “context”. That’s what’s missing. Because really, the comments are A-OK in the right context.

you May 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm

It is a shame that “adults” are acting in such poor taste. Sahar is a nice young lady. For some reason people in politics seem to think insults and innuendoes are a good way to get someone they don’t like out of the picture.

ted in bed May 6, 2012 at 9:15 pm

I’m sure the defendants appreciate being called bigots on local TV along with having their personal conversations recorded and selectively edited by the true “adults”.

Its all ok though, the defendant is bravely fighting for Afghan women and America by filing an suit against Americans in Henry County. I’m sure she’ll spend 100% of the settlement on a charity in her homeland.

Yah, right.

Jimmie May 6, 2012 at 11:14 pm

Whaaa?

ted in bed May 7, 2012 at 8:03 am

I was being sarcastic. My goal was to point out that Ms. Hekmati’s lawyer slandered the defendants when he said “These are bigots”. The tapes sound like they were recorded in violation of the laws of Georgia and they were selectively edited to eliminate context.

Context is important. For example, I was hanging with some cops this weekend. One of the Captains shows up and asks what is Officer 1 doing with the money we are collecting. We all joke that he’s shoving it in his pocket and we’re going to spend it later. All funny. If someone taped it and selectively edited it, it would sound like Officer 1 is stealing which certainly wasn’t what was going on.

I read the lawsuit and it has no facts, evidence or details about the recordings.

Hopefully this suit will be dropped since the plaintiff obviously got the attention she seeks and some sort of negotiated settlement can be reached. If it continues, I suspect Ms. Hekmati and her lawyer will find themselves being counter-sued.

Ed May 7, 2012 at 8:28 am

To record a phone call in Georgia I know only one party has to know that the conversation is being recorded. I can’t imagine there is a different expectation for any other conversation.

you May 7, 2012 at 8:38 am

Henry county is the same group that recorded Sue Everhart two years ago claiming Sue had made a racial slur towards Sahar. At the time Sahar was backing Sue and the rest were supporting Tricia. Funny stuff in Henry county.

jstjoan May 7, 2012 at 2:21 pm

Your statement that Henry County recorded Sue Everhart is absolutely false. Sue was speaking at a candidate forum held by the Republican Women of Henry County along with both Tricia Pridemore and Saun Hanley. The recording was done by the staff of one of those two candidates which is a common practice. The recording was NOT made by anyone from Henry County.

you May 7, 2012 at 6:11 pm

and was the staff member part of the Henry GOP?

jstjoan May 7, 2012 at 10:36 pm

No. It was a member of either the Pridemore or the Hanley staff and not from Henry County.

ted in bed May 7, 2012 at 9:21 am

That’s my understanding as well since we are a one party consent state. The question I have is who recorded the conversations and were they party to them. If one of the parties was recording then what did they have to do to get those comments.

My big point is that this is not an open and shut case and it has the potential of significant blow back onto the lawyer and Ms. Hekmati.

Napoleon May 7, 2012 at 11:55 pm

We are a one party consent state, however there are restrictions on who the recording can be shared with. However, if the recording was in an open and public meeting, there may be no restrictions.

On a side note, I’ve had very few positive dealings with Sahar over the years I’ve known her. I have rarely found her to be truthful or honest in any of her dealings. While making ethnic slurs against her national origin is about as low as you can get, her personality does have the tendency to bring out the worst in people.

As a public figure, she will have to prove actual malice…I don’t think she gets there.

Let me add that this is in no way an excuse for those in the Henry GOP who have lowered themselves to Sahar’s level.

Doug Grammer May 8, 2012 at 7:25 am

Actual malice as defined by knew the statement to be false, or issued the statement with reckless disregard as to its truth? On the word “terrorist,” if they use the defense of they way the 13th district Convention was ran, they might be OK with terrorist as opinion as opposed to fact. It’s still a lousy thing to say. If she can prove that these people knew she did not live in Houston and still called her a “felon,” I think her action still has merit.

Doug Grammer May 8, 2012 at 7:15 am

“what did they have to do to get those comments?” Surely you jest? I am in a disagreement with a black man and you want to know what he did or said to force me to use the N word?

There could be blow back for him if he objects? Tan in Bed, are you a member of the KKK? You talk like one.

Jimmie May 7, 2012 at 10:01 am

For some reason it seemed like you called both parties defendants to me.

Doug Grammer May 7, 2012 at 10:33 am

Tan in Bed

Do you have a link to the lawsuit for us to read?

Neveremind, I’ve found it. Too late to remove, but not to modify.

Doug Grammer May 8, 2012 at 7:12 am

They didn’t sound like they were joking when I heard them call her a terrorist. Maybe she’s looking for less attention from these individuals and not more?

you May 7, 2012 at 6:14 am

This group has been giving Sahar a hard time for years. If it had not been happening regularly it would have been hard to record them.

I Miss the 90s May 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm

I, for one, am glad Sahar has filed this lawsuit. There is no place in American Politics for bigotry and hate. It is high-time the GOP began purging itself of the racist elements within the party, like the Democratic Party began doing in the 50s and 60s. The Democratic party did not “leave” them, we kicked them out. Was it politically smart? No, but it was the right thing to do. The rise of the modern GOP can largely be attributed to their incorporation of the bigoted south in Nixon’s southern strategy.

Fortunately, most of the GOP is not racist. There are still far too many bigots in the party ranks.

seekingtounderstand May 6, 2012 at 11:02 pm

At first I thought she was a planted Dem operative with a desire to get publicity and bash GOP.
But if she is just a mom wanting to make a contribution, inside GOP politics is as rough as it gets.
My money is on Dem operative planted to destruct at election time with lawsuit to appear in news at regular intervals to call GOP a bunch of bigots.

I Miss the 90s May 7, 2012 at 8:02 am

How paranoid are you? A Democratic Party Operative? Really!?

This is a county party in one of the reddest states in the country…and it is May. This will not effect any election to any office. The Democratic Party does not need a “plant” in a county party to get the racism within the GOP to make the news. The Tea Party, Rush Limbaugh, and the Birthers do a great job of that on their own.

seekingtounderstand May 7, 2012 at 1:14 pm

the purpose is for the presidential election, how do I know because it has to do with race baiting and the press and a devisive

Lea Thrace May 7, 2012 at 3:39 pm

You cannot be serious?

Ed May 7, 2012 at 7:27 am

Awesome thread.

So far we have people saying the comments are OK if we know the context or this is just a conspiracy.

The third option: maybe this is *** you shouldn’t say, period, especially when they can open a whole major can of worms… nope not going to consider that.

greencracker May 7, 2012 at 9:16 am

Reminds me of high school bullying — I’m going to sue my old bully for calling me fat and tp’ing my car. #meangirls

Feh, politics, like high school, is not a game for the thin-skinned.

Doug Grammer May 7, 2012 at 11:00 am

I’ve read the lawsuit. Sahar says she can produce the accusations made by the defendants in writing that they called her a felon and a terrorist. If so, I’m betting the defendants are in trouble. I think it’s funny that some people think that in some contexts calling one a felon is okay and in other’s it’s not. If you feel that way, please tell us when it’s OK to joke about someone being a felon when you are out to ruin their reputation. I think this lawsuit has legs if recordings and documents can be produced.

I’ve had disagreements with previous county party Chairmen in my county. We settled our differences without having to sue each other. However, some people are more stubborn and don’t realize when they have lost an issue. I’ve had my character called into question within the last year by people I considered friends, and I have seen some people do and attempt to do things that I would call unethical. I have just stopped talking to them and when I talk about them, I tell the REAL truth. Don’t say things you don’t want up on a billboard in politics.

In Henry County and in the 13th C.D., there have been mistakes made by many different individuals, so both “sides” have done things that are inconsistent with the rules. Eventually, someone is going to need offer to cut the baby in half and make everyone equally mad.

ted in bed May 7, 2012 at 12:31 pm

Here is a link to the filing:

http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2012/05/04/Tatl2p10Copy2_20120504_202019.pdf

The personal attacks within the Ga GOP is horrible. I was a supporter of Trisha Pridemore at the last convention. The rumors that were spread about her were horrible, very slanderous and the people spreading them knew they were lies. It’s the way things are done there and it needs to change. The personal attacks are also the reason I am not going to the convention this year and was a supporter of Trisha, who I thought would change the culture in the GA GOP.

However, I don’t think going on a news channel to call the entire GOP a bunch of bigots is the best approach nor one that will be successful long term.

Much like watching a trainwreck, this will certainly be a fun case to watch.

Doug Grammer May 7, 2012 at 2:06 pm

I’ve meet Trisha and I like Trisha. Trisha did not lose because of rumors. She lost because some people were going to vote for Sue no matter what because we had a good year for Georgia. Her lack of being a county or district chair didn’t help. Some people didn’t care for her campaign style and the fact she was endorsed by the Governor.

Rumors are going to occur, but the vast majority of the GOP did not join in the rumor mill. Sahar did not call the entire GOP bigots. That sounds like a rumor you are trying to spread. She says she has proof with a few individuals.

ted in bed May 7, 2012 at 3:10 pm

Actually the story doesn’t use the term “few individuals” or “neighbors”, the term used is “fellow republicans” which is a broader definition and implies everyone in the GOP. The story line shows the GOP logo and a room full of Republicans further reinforcing the impression that entire GOP is against her.

Doug Grammer May 7, 2012 at 4:09 pm

And Sahar wrote the story? The lawsuit names specific people.

KD_fiscal conservative May 7, 2012 at 2:48 pm

@ted

This has nothing to do with personal politics…if you don’t think calling someone a terrorist is a racist then maybe *your* part of whats wrong with the GA-GOP…

Doug Deal May 7, 2012 at 4:30 pm

I investigated some of this Henry County nonsense myself last year after the incident with Sue . After speaking to a number of people involved, it was clear that subset of the Henry county GOP are composed of immoral liars, bullies and cowards. Each person had a slightly different story that blamed one of the others and made them out to be innocent. One even blamed Shawn Hanley. The only thing clear was that it was not Sahar that was the problem; it was a bunch of petty misanthropes.

Sahar is a strong woman and I supposed something about her rubbed some of these people the wrong way, but they have taken it to a ridiculous extreme and deserve to lose a good part of their life savings in legal fees if not actual damages for their grossly childish and vindictive behavior.

Jimmie May 7, 2012 at 11:39 pm

I know politics in Georgia is a dirty game. Heck it’s dirty in every state.
As I watch it at the local, county, and state level it mirrors 15 year olds facebook wars more and more. He said, she said. This one is this and that one is that. It’s just “adults” behaving like young teenagers.

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