2012 Delegates Elected To Republican National Convention from Georgia’s Congressional Districts

Below is a list of delegates and alternates elected to the Republican National Convention at the congressional district conventions around Georgia this past weekend (there are a few that I do not have information for yet, but I will update the spreadsheet as soon as I get the names):



    • Looner says:

      I’m absolutely sure that one of these people is not a party insider that always goes. I’m sure there are more besides the one I know.

      • CobbGOPer says:

        Oh, excuse me:

        Same useless underlings that always go because they do as they’re told, nothing new here.

          • CobbGOPer says:

            Just waiting for Doug Grammar to come in and tell me these people are all awesome and totally dedicated to liberty, freedom, and small government while they go down to nominate a stuffed-shirt (who will change his positions like he changes his magic underwear) for the presidency.

            • Looner says:

              Well, just because Doug Grammar thinks that these people are all on his side, doesn’t make it so. Some on this list actually might be honest with their support of liberty, freedom, and small government.

              • Doug Grammer says:

                I know about half of them, but they ARE all on my side because they want to replace our current President. (even of they support Ron Paul)

                • CobbGOPer says:

                  Excuse us for wanting a candidate that stands FOR something, not just AGAINST someone.

                  /I mean that in a general sense, not to be construed as support for Ron Paul. I didn’t support any of these jokers, and voted for none of them on Super Tuesday.

                  • Doug Grammer says:

                    You are excused . You may leave now, but before you go, do you have any other requests ?

                  • John Konop says:


                    People like you should have a voice in the party! It is sad that some in the establishment want to silent you. We may not agree all the time, but you definitely have a very thoughtful view point!

        • ryanhawk says:

          I know a lot of people like you CobbGOPer — all talk and no action. How many county commission, city council, school board, legislative committee meetings have you attended? How many GOP, Tea Party, Freedom Works etc… meetings have you attended? I’ve been to thousands and not once was I at any of them to perpetuate the status quo. I’m on the list of delegates and alternates that you blithely dismiss because I’m known in my congressional district for working hard and making an impact. Of the delegates and alternates I know personally (about 15), all of them work very hard on issues they care about. The useful idiots perpetuating the status quo are people like you who assume, perhaps because of their own indolence and avarice, that no one else could possibly be working to make government smaller and more transparent. If you don’t want to help (and I mean by working, not talking) at least don’t insult those of us who are actually doing something.

          • CobbGOPer says:

            I’ve attended plenty over the last 15 years my friend, including working as senior staff or consulting on statewide, congressional, state legislative, and municipal races, all for Republicans. I’ve also been a precinct chair in Cobb County. If you question my background you can ask Todd Rehm. I don’t know you, but I won’t let you sit here and say I’ve done nothing.

            I HAVE worked for the party. I HAVE tried to effect change in the party that I personally would like to see. The party, however, is not interested in the work I’ve done or the views that I hold. So I’m done with it.

              • CobbGOPer says:

                I doubt it, John, until I joined the Cobb party a couple years back I was more involved in the 3rd CD area, west-central Georgia.

            • Doug Grammer says:


              I’ll take you at your word that you’ve worked for candidates. Were you in a paid position or did you volunteer? There is a huge difference between the two.

              I’ll take you at your word that you were a precinct chair in Cobb County. Please tell us what you did with that title. Did you make phone calls to other Republicans who vote GOP but don’t attend meeting to invite them to come? Did you find donors to the GOP from within your precinct? Did you provide poll watchers to your precinct? Did you put up yard signs the day before the vote and take them back down within a week after the election? I hope you at least served on committees. Showing up and attending meetings is fine. I’d like to know what real work you did for the party other than wishing or Governor a heart attack.

              • CobbGOPer says:

                I’ve been paid, and I’ve volunteered. I’ve done all of those things at one time or another, Doug. I think I’ve earned the right to be critical of the party when it doesn’t live up to its own principles.

                • Doug Grammer says:

                  There is a difference between elected officals not following the platform and the party not living up to it’s own principles.

    • So Party outsiders should go to the National Convention and run the GOP? Interesting thought. Maybe the company you work for should be run by some guy who doesn’t work there.

        • Jimmie says:

          Often times Companies are run into the ground and an outside person is needed to set the ship straight again. I think that applies to this scenario well. Heck, maybe Romney and Bain Capital can come in and eviscerate the present GOP and sell it.

          • ryanhawk says:

            Well your local GOP organization is extraordinarily easy to take over if you are serious about it Jimmie. I know, because I’ve done it. Just show up with a small handful of like minded friends, pay some token dues, do a little work for a year or so, and at the next election for party officers you’ll win if you try. Winning a local GOP officer’s position is an extremely easy thing to do because it’s a thankless job that very few people really want to fight for.

            • Jimmie says:

              ryan There is a fairly large group of like minded people sitting on the sidelines of my County just waiting for this election mess to clear out.We will be getting involved very soon. As far as leadership goes, I was thinking about that today. Would a person be able to run things ethically and be able to maintain the integrity it deserves? Does the position corrupt the person or the person is corrupt before being given the position? I would quit the position before doing a fraction of what our elected officials and leaders do to their constituents and members. Perhaps we can bring back the “Just say no!” to the party, only this time in reference to corruption.

              • seenbetrdayz says:

                I’m firmly convinced that the position corrupts the person, almost always.

                “Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

                I want to believe that there was a time when Republicans did a fairly decent job of not letting government positions become so inherently powerful. ‘Power’ wasn’t to be trusted, regardless of the party or the person in charge. So, for example, some guy like Saxby Chambliss didn’t have a grand opportunity to make a fool of himself and his party, because the U.S. Senate wasn’t the place to be if you wanted power; In a bottom-up republic, the county commissioner (maybe even the dog-catcher) called the shots in America, and if you didn’t like the way things were, you simply walked 5 blocks to the courthouse to speak your mind—instead of wasting your time sending emails to arrogant politicians in Washington who won’t even read the bills they vote on, much less care what their constituents have to say.

                In his defense, perhaps when Chambliss ran for a senate seat, he was a decent, honest man, but by virtue of the fact that Republicans have an equally bloody hand in making the U.S. Senate much more powerful over the years (perhaps thinking they could ‘use power for good’—to which I say, “the road to hell…”), Chambliss seems to have forgotten exactly why he was sent to Washington to begin with. And the U.S. Senate is just one example. Don’t get me started on the office of the Presidency and the power of kings that the position now holds.

                So, the party’s goals shifted. Where before, the goal was to reduce the power and influence of the government, now it’s “Whatever you do, don’t let those other guys get our guy’s power.”

                It seems rather silly to me, but, then again, I’m not here to make politics a trivial personal hobby. Red team, blue team, rah rah rah. Whatever.

              • Charlie says:

                “ryan There is a fairly large group of like minded people sitting on the sidelines of my County just waiting for this election mess to clear out.”

                Congrats, because in doing this, you will lose.

                As Ryan has figured out, you and the other Ron Paul folks will win nothing here. Nothing.

                You guys always win the internets. Congrats. But the pathetic whining does nothing but reinforce your belief that the world is against you. Meanwhile, you turn off any potential supporters to your ideas with your abrasiveness, defeatest attitude, and your inability to comprehend the very basics of strategy that to win an election – even at the party/convention level, you have to actually make someone want to vote for you.

                So please, go back to the sidelines. But while you’re there, don’t waste our time with your incessant whining about how the political world isn’t what you want it to be. That’s for those that are in the game, not the benchwarmers who seek the safety of the sideline as soon as the game isn’t going according to plan.

                • seenbetrdayz says:

                  How do older people spread their ideas? Books? Television? Newspapers?

                  If Ron Paul is winning the internets, what does that say about the future of your party?

                  This isn’t over by a long shot.

                  You’d better hurry up and get one of your “small-government” republican critters to regulate the internets before Ron Paul infects the young people with silly ideas about liberty and prosperity in America.

                  See if you can get them to regulate smart-phones too. The only reason people should have a smart phone is for checking the weather, and only on approved Republican weather-checking apps.

                  • Charlie says:

                    Dude, we’re at the end of this cycle that we’ve grown tired of hearing this from y’all, and you specifically, over and over.

                    The rest of us are on to actual politics now. Every thread isn’t going to be about Ron Paul and you asking these same questions over and over.

                    Y’all lost. Again. And continuing to pretend that your off-putting anti-social friends are somehow the key to Republicans building a majority is long since tiresome.

                    I can only say how much we look forward to repeating this whole scenario again in 4 years, with you guys acting – again – like we haven’t seen all the stages before.

                    • seenbetrdayz says:

                      I seem to recall y’all lost the presidency, in 2008. Gonna lose again this year.

                      If I may borrow your exact quote and say that the feelings are mutual,

                      on behalf of the Ron Paul people to the GOP establishment:

                      I can only say how much we look forward to repeating this whole scenario again in 4 years, with you guys acting – again – like we haven’t seen all the stages before.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      “ya’ll” would include you unless you wanted President Obama to win. One of these days you will realize that you lose more when “we” don’t win. You are not going to get a president Ron Paul. You don’t get a lot of what you want in life. There is no tooth fairy too.

                    • seenbetrdayz says:

                      And one day, Doug, you are going to realize that Ron Paul supporters will not abandon their principles for fear of losing an election. See, I’ve been losing for a long time, throughout both republican and democratic majorities. You think losing scares me? Why the hell do you think I bothered to show up to fight for what I believe in, knowing beforehand that my odds of winning are negligible? By the numbers, I should have stayed home last weekend; statistically speaking, it would have had the same effect. But damn the statistics. I know what I’m fighting for. I mean, damn, if I could just get people to agree that our Bill of Rights isn’t something to put up for negotiation, I’d go back home and be out of your hair. Both Obama and Romney support the NDAA, and you guilt-mongering, fall-in-line party-loyalists think that there’s a lick of difference.

                      It’s very easy to believe in something when everyone else believes in it too. It takes real men of principle to stand up in a sea of opposition and fight to keep this country’s head above water. As far as I can tell, you’re justifying your support of Romney in that you’ll lose a little less freedom with Romney, while you are losing a lot of freedom with Obama. I suppose that makes sense to you, but I think you need to wake up to the fact that as a strategy, the ‘lesser of two evils’ playbook is failing this country miserably.

                      I got tired of that nonsensical strategy for preserving freedom a long time ago, and judging by shifting attitudes, there’s a growing number of people in your own party who are tired of being guilted into making non-choices as well. You all had better find someone who is interested in actually reversing the trend of government growth, rather than slowing it down.

                      You’ve had 4 years to find someone who will ‘un-do’ Obama’s assault on liberty, and once again, you’ve settled for a guy who will undoubtedly ‘out-do’ Obama. Man, I hope I’m wrong, not just for the sake of your party’s credibility, but for the sake of this country.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      There should be no fear of losing an election. Not only has Ron Paul lost, but he has lost massively. Herman Cain, Newt, and Rick Perry other did better because they at least lead a poll or two for a while . Santorum went from single percentages to winning the second largest number of states. Paul never had a shot and never broke 10% of total votes cast .

                      Saying Damn a lot doesn’t make you any more right. I don’t care if you don’t like your choices. Life isn’t fair and you don’t always get what you want. YOU have had four years to find someone the GOP would accept that is close to your values . Don’t blame us if you failed . I supported someone other than Romney. You don’t see me crying like a.baby because I didn’t get who I wanted. Grow up.

            • Nathan says:

              Yep. Of course, it’s easier to criticize than to get in the trenches and work at the local level. Remember, we are electing officers from precinct all the way to state party chairman next year.

      • seenbetrdayz says:

        If you would like some idea of what those ‘outsiders’ want to see as a candidate when they’re faced with essentially two choices in november, sure.

        For too long, both parties have held their little internal-politics shows and come out of the tents with a candidate that they want, rolled the dice, and hoped it was what the swing-voters wanted as well.

        It’s more like you guys are electing the guy who you want to work in the mail-room (GOP) and expecting the independent voters to just swallow it whenever it’s time to determine the CEO of the company (the USA).

        Don’t get me wrong, the GOP has every right to go through it’s process to determine who it wants to be its nominee, but, I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again:

        Not everyone who votes in November is a Republican

        So, yeah, you might be a little more prepared for a general election if you actually tried to get some input from the rest of the company’s stockholders (voters), rather than the ones who work in your little department. That may mean letting more people in on the nomination process than those who have worn elephants on their shirts since the day they turned 18.

        But, of course, that would be a mighty “big tent” thing of the GOP to do, and, near as I can tell, its big tent collapsed long ago.

        modify I’m not saying you have to give up ALL your delegates, but when 1/4 of the people at a convention are first-time participants and you aggressively fight against their ability to get even so much as an alternate slot—yeah, the big tent collapsed.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          There’s working within the big tent and then there’s dealing with those who want to set it on fire and tell you that although they don’t want to do the hard work, you are doing it all wrong. We don’t need nor will we get everyone to vote GOP in November. I’m aiming for 50% +1…a little extra is nice but not required.

          • seenbetrdayz says:

            I don’t mind doing work, I just don’t want to be used. If I wanted to be a prostitute, I’d move to Vegas.

            What I don’t want, is to wait 30, 40, 50 years working for the GOP and have to look back over the past decades of my life, and realize that whether the government was controlled by the GOP or the Democratic Party, it became a leviathan of burdensome regulation, higher taxes, less freedom, and unaccountability.

            You’ve got people in your party who have spent their whole lives involved, trying to shrink the size and scope of the Federal government, and yet throughout every. single. administration, they’ve been betrayed.

            They’ve been used. Whenever there are a few who start to ‘wise up’ as to this phenomenon taking place, the overseers come out and guilt-trip them back into supporting the nominee at all costs. Unity, fall in line, blah blah blah.

            And nothing changes.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              The world, candidates, and government isn’t perfect. We do the best we can with what we can. Get used to it. You cannot clone Ron Paul and have him elected from every congressional district in the nation. Most people in the GOP would vote for someone else. If you think you can do better, jump in and do it. I know MANY GOP chairmen that would resign if someone else else was willing to do the work and they thought someone else would do a better job. I’m tired of listening to people cry who won’t do anything else other than complain.

      • CobbGOPer says:

        Buzz, I’d like for the party to be run by people who are committed to small government. It’s not. They say they’re for small government, but then they turn around and spout platitudes about ‘doing the best we can with what we’ve got.’ Except ‘the best we can’ always seems to be incremental growth in government. And at this point the only people who seem committed to the goal of smaller government are outsiders. Make of it what you will.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          If that is aimed at me, I am quite pleased with MOST of my county officials, I am happy with my State Rep and a Senator, I like the way congressman votes 95% of the time, I like the way my U.S. Senators vote most of the time, and as far as Statewide officers go, I like most of them, but definitely not all of them. Georgia voted for Newt and that’s who I wanted in the primary. I’m fairly certain Georgia will vote for the GOP nominee in November. I did what I could and man has to know his limitations. I’m not going to try to work on Ohio’s vote from here.

          • CobbGOPer says:

            If you’re satisfied with the job these guys are doing, which has led to exactly zero decrease in the size of government, no effective tax reform, and a deficit in the stratosphere, well, then you’re part of the problem.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              Okay, tell me what votes Tom Graves have made that you disagree with. I can’t be held accountable for all of federal government, but I’ll own up to Congressman Graves’ voting record. BTW, I think my county has the lowest per capita tax rate in the state.

              Tell us your county’ tax rate and we will see who is part of the problem.

              • CobbGOPer says:

                Your county has a low per capita tax rate because no one wants to live there. If you had the population of Cobb County it would be a different story. And you’re deflecting anyway. You’re satisfied with the job these people are doing, which has done nothing to lower taxes or reduce the size of government. I’m not talking about Graves. I’m talking about 1994 to 2006. Complete power (mostly, still had to deal with the Senate after that dirtbag Jeffords switched parties), and what happened? Government grew. The tax system got bigger and more complicated, even if some taxes went down. Two wars that pretty much everyone now – in hindsight – thinks were bad ideas.

                I’m not holding you accountable for all of federal government, not even a little of it. My problem is that you continue to support – and bash people who criticize – a GOP that talks the talk but never walks the walk, no matter how much I or others try to work to change the party from the inside.

                Therefore you are part of the problem.

      • SallyForth says:

        Well, heck, Buzz, why not? – that’s the way the Georgia Democratic Party does it now! And it’s working out so well for them…….

      • Doug Grammer says:

        Assuming you are correct, 1 out of 42 is something can live with. I know my district went about as well as it could. It wasn’t perfect, but it was good.

  1. Three Jack says:

    Doug and his fellow GOPers seem to be so worried about keeping paulheads out of their convention, they are overlooking the real problem facing the party going forward…no excitement for their candidate amongst disgruntled fiscal conservatives. Doug being the party loyalist that he is would support a tree stump over Obama (I’ll give him this, the tree stump is at least fixed in one place as opposed to the presumptive GOP nominee whose principles are anchored by a fallen leaf). But to most of us who used to be passionate GOPers, the party is over if we are left to choose between like minded politicians whose only difference is the letter behind their last name.

    Keep wasting time pushing away the 5% who makeup paulhead nation and you will lose the 50% who simply want the GOP to fulfill it’s pushcard promises of lower taxes, less spending and a more efficiently run government.

    • cheapseats says:

      Exactly. I’ve never been a passionate GOPer but I totally agree that both parties are too involved in the “team sports” mindset to come up with any solutions that excite the general populace.

      I want our country to win. I don’t care what political party label that victory has branded onto it.

    • FFA says:

      I just have to get in on this one. I went through the delegate process in GA. I figured I did not have a hats chance at being elected but I did it anyway with much prayer. I went through the Mass Prescient Meeting, the County Convention and Finally the District Convention and I did make it to the National Convention. How did I do that? I call it divine intervention. Right up front you could not even mention Ron Paul’s name. If you did you were out, it was automatic. I talked to quite a few young RP supporters who tried to make it through. There were very well educated and bright young people. None of them made it as far as I know and they left determined to take over the GOP party in our county. I personally hope they do it and if they try again I will be right in the mix to help them. I mean when you are not even allowed to mention a candidates name even though that candidate is running on the Republican ticket then there is something bad wrong with the Republican GOP. I fully support Ron Paul and if I become a free agent I will vote Ron Paul and I do not care who likes it. For any one on here that is in the Republican GOP and who thinks that Ron Paul does not have a place or that our bright young educates young people have no say so in the Republican party even though they play by your rules then you might what to rethink that. That is just completely wrong. As I said if they decide to take over the Republican Party in my county I will be at the top of the list to support them.

      • Jimmie says:

        FFA. Ssshh. I am certain you have just started a full on investigation to uncover your identity.
        R3VOLUTION to take back our Country!

  2. djacksonair says:

    It looks like I’m the last remaining ??. Steven “Dale” Jackson 3rd district-Alternate, I think the old saying goes, last but not least….. LOL

  3. troutbum70 says:

    In following up the discussion from CobbGOPer about the Delegates being the same party insiders who always go, let’s set the record straight from at least 2 of the Districts. In the 7th, the people selected were long time party activists with extensive records of working in the party. The kicker is that none of them have been to a national convention before, yes even Joan Zellner who is the rock of the Gwinnett Republican Party. The Ron Paul folks had a chance to interview, in the 7th that is, and only one was fully interviewed due to meeting the criteria set forth by the state rules. The second candidate didn’t have his letters of recommendation as required and the rest just never showed up. How’s that for party activism? As for the 4th District, Gloria Tow from what I remember has never been to a national convention either.
    Being selected as a delegate to a national convention is a pretty big deal in my book. It’s a way of saying “thanks” for all the hard work you’ve done for the party. Not one nominating committee is going to give a slot to a person who’s brand new to the party or has just decided to get involved over the past year.
    Let’s see if the RP folks stay around after the election; I doubt it. They did a pretty good job of delaying the process at the county convention in Gwinnett due to knowing more about Robert’s Rules than the county chairman and it worked for them mostly, but I haven’t seen them at a county breakfast or other event since.

    • FFA says:

      My friend you are just what I am talking about. You are the very kind that will destroy the Republican Party. Do you think you own the Republican Party? In other words you anoint some candidate and that is it, take it or leave it. Do you honestly think that there is nothing more honorable than serving on the Republican Party, attending meetings, knocking on a few doors and sipping coffee. What about all of the men and women who have fought for this country. I can assure you that they have paid a far greater price than you will ever pay for this county. Why can they not have a say so. You have rules and they follow your rules and yet you still play dirty. I had the opportunity to meet one nice young man. He was an Iraq war veteran and you people treated him like he was some piece of slim raked off of the bottom of some ones shoe. Let me tell you one thing, these young Ron Paul supporters are a lot smarter than you give them credit for. They realize that our freedoms, what few we have left, are being taken away ever day and they are trying to do something about it. And there you stand with your big old chest stuck out saying look at me I attended some meeting and I knocked on a few doors and I drank a few hundred cups of coffee so there fore I am it. As far as I am concerned some of you do not even have the right to be in the same room with that young Iraq war veteran. You make me sick. Go with your anointed one Romney aka Obama lite and see where it gets you. It will get you four more years of Obama. Why and how did the Republican Party become so stupid?

      • Calypso says:

        “Go with your anointed one Romney aka Obama lite and see where it gets you. It will get you four more years of Obama.”

        And pray tell, why would Paul beat Obama if he can’t get more than 10% OF HIS OWN PARTY to vote for him.

        I swear, arguing with some of you Paulites is worse than talking to a rock. At least the rock doesn’t respond with stupid sh!t when you try to tell it something.

        • seenbetrdayz says:

          “And pray tell, why would Paul beat Obama if he can’t get more than 10% OF HIS OWN PARTY to vote for him.”

          That’s not very telling, actually. You have to keep in mind with how out-of-touch flagrantly dishonest the GOP is with the people who decide elections.

          Democrats, sure, they’re for big government and everyone knows it.

          The GOP historically has a very bad habit of claiming to be the party of responsible spending, but then grabbing money out of the offering plate as it gets passed around.

            • Jimmie says:

              This time it will be different. The Bush Years were just a minor hiccup. Lets give full power back to the “conservatives”. They fixed all the misgivings they had under Bush. LOL! This time they will actually follow their Party’s principles.

            • seenbetrdayz says:

              Oh I’m sorry.

              Did you not pay attention to the deficit crashing upwards through the ceiling during the Bush administration? Are you paying attention to the deficit growing under Obama? Do you think it will change with Romney?

              Or did you just notice Obama, blind party loyalist that you are? ‘Republican debt is excusable but democratic debt is not’. Is that what I have to accept to be part of your party? I’m supposed to simply say, “oh well, I can’t always get my way”, and “fall in line” with this?

              If I’m stupid, then I must be so stupid that you can’t out-smart me. Not again. I ain’t fallin’ for it again.

              • Doug Grammer says:

                Make up your mind. Either Ron Paul is a Republican or he’s not. If he is, he didn’t get 10% OF HIS OWN PARTY.

                Your stupidity I referred to is either your inability to do simple math or an inability to cope with reality. Either way, it’s an epic failure.

    • FFA says:

      My friend you are just what I am talking about. You are the very kind that will destroy the Republican Party. Do you think you own the Republican Party? In other words you anoint some candidate and that is it, take it or leave it. Do you honestly think that there is nothing more honorable than serving on the Republican Party, attending meetings, knocking on a few doors and sipping coffee. What about all of the men and women who have fought for this country. I can assure you that they have paid a far greater price than you will ever pay for this county. Why can they not have a say so. You have rules and they follow your rules and yet you still play dirty. I had the opportunity to meet one nice young man. He was an Iraq war veteran and you people treated him like he was some piece of slim raked off of the bottom of some ones shoe. Let me tell you one thing, these young Ron Paul supporters are a lot smarter than

  4. debbie0040 says:

    There are tea party activists on that delegate list..

    In the 10th, Chair Brian Burdette had everything planned down to the letter. Everything went much smoother than expected and he did a great job.

    He had a continental breakfast waiting for delegates as they arrived and we were treated to really good BBQ after the convention was over. He did a great job in planning and it paid off. He was prepared for any scenerio that may present itself..

  5. c_murrayiii says:

    All these people whining about being “shut out of the party” (what I would call, losing an election for delegate) need to realize that’s how a party works, it is built by people who work and support shared goals. If you don’t feel like they take you seriously or the process doesn’t work for you, or if you don’t want to “fall in line,” go start your own party where you can build an organization around common goals that you set. Or be independent and answer to no one. But quit whining that the GOP doesn’t want you cause they don’t do exactly what you want. I keep hearing about the vast numbers of Paulistas out there who will sit out the election and throw a pity party. Why didn’t these overwhelming numbers vote in state primaries and caucuses? Because Paul is in 4th place by total votes (and has less than half of the 3rd place candidate’s total), and to my eyes there doesn’t seem to be a huge groundswell of support, just a small minority that is loud.

    • FFA says:

      I truly think you will get your wish. How about they just take over your party. It is obvious that the ones running it now have become corrupt. The ones running it now can no longer think on their own. The Main Stream Media feeds you the fodder and you follow. My guess is the young Ron Paul supporters will own your party before to long. Ron Paul said it all when he made the statement, “I am trying to save the Republican Party from it’s self”. And he is correct because you people are destroying it. Just check out the voter fraud in Main. Do you think that is right? Is that the way the GOP is suppose to work?

      • Doug Grammer says:


        On behalf of the GOP establishment (not currently elected to anything outside of my county) we surrender. Instead of attending a convention cycle once every four years, we will let the Ron Paulers run every GOP organization in Georgia.

        Don’t forget to print an agenda, follow the agenda, find a place to hold the meeting, advertise the meeting, put in the local meeting section of the county newspaper or make some robo calls, get a speaker, provide refreshments, keep it interesting, find someone to do the prayer and the pledge, recognize all of the officials and guests, make sure the first timers are spoken to, buy the coffee out of your own pocket because you lost the receipt, raise money of the party, hold a yard sale, hold a golf tournament, find prizes, find players, find a singer for the national anthem, spell their name right in the hastily made flyer you had done a Kinko’s at 1 AM, recruit candidates for every partisan office, come up with questions for the ballot in the primary, make sure the county votes on those questions instead of just submitting them because someone will appeal that action and sue the party to keep them off the ballot, start a tars club, cr club, yr club, a GOP women’s club, find someone willing to be Treasurer, write the minutes of the meeting, send out e-mails, hold 10 meetings a year and go to surrounding county’s meetings because they don’t have as many people interested, talk to the commissioner or state rep about that 1 or 2 issues you don’t see eye to eye on, but you need to keep them on good terms with you, go to quarterly District GOP meetings, some of them 3 hours away from your house, serve on committees like credentials where everyone in the convention is waiting on you to do your job, but you can’t get it done quickly because the people who ran registration entered people two different ways and you have to go back a recheck all of their work, find and train poll watchers, make some t-shirts, man a table at the county fair, do a TV show twice a month, help raise a lot of money for your congressional district GOP, write some checks and a spend a lot of your personal time and energy doing so, go through redistricting, fight to call a meeting by making more than 30 calls in 1 day, be ruled out of order, ask for help, get ignored, see people not doing their jobs, call for a second meeting, do what you think is right and get called the bad guy, watch most of the money that you helped raise leave while you keep less than half of what you helped raise in a proportional amount from what will be in your new district to go to your new district, design brochures, print brochures, go door to door handing out brochures, find a business with lots of phones willing to donate space and free phones, find people willing to work at a phone bank, come up with a good list with no more than 20% of bad phone numbers, write a script, keep a tally of who has been called and who hasn’t, send yard signs out to people requesting them, plant the yard signs, I mean the big 4 X 4’s that need a big hammer and zip ties, buy the zip ties out of your pocket when you run out but don’t have time to go back to the county HQ, (get a hq donated or find one to rent) go to the ER when you step in a mound of fire ants or twist your ankle while putting up yard signs, do a radio interview when some random Republican you didn’t really care for does something you didn’t like in Atlanta but you aren’t sure if what he did was against the law or if it’s being twisted and you haven’t heard the whole story, explain to your boss why you need to leave work early to drive to Atlanta to go to a dinner with some Governor from another state that your barely recognize because there is a state committee meeting right before Christmas and you only have 35 minutes to adopt new rules for the state but don’t appreciate to 20 plus hours the rules committee meet and went over each rule, line by line, talking about whet it would mean if you changed 2 words, give advice to other people about their problems because they have those two people who challenge everything that their county Chairman does, hear about someone who may be guilty of keeping $20 or spending $20 without a budget, or the Chairman wrote the check instead of the Treasurer, that convention didn’t properly adopt the slate but they had the votes to do it, they just forgot to do it, write an appeal to the district after the county refuses to reprimand the Chairman because we’ve all got to follow the same rules, by the way, it’s close to the next convention cycle, rewrite the county rules, appoint new committees, resolutions, nominating, registration, credentials, rules, sergeants at arms, provide lunch, provide coffee, put up banners, write convention rules, find a place for the convention, find people willing to give up one Saturday every four years willing to attend a convention…

        ….wait, they would be us. You can do all of the work for a while and we will complain about how you are doing it all wrong and nominating the wrong person for President. Don’t forget, we get to call YOU corrupt because of something that happened in Maine, close to 1,500 miles away? I hope you remember to find someone to run for school board. The pay is horrible, but the budget is larger than what your County Commissioners control.

        Disclaimer, most, but not 100%, of what I just wrote is a variation of things that actually have happened, most of which I was personally involved with. Now tell me how bad a job we’ve been doing, ONE MORE TIME?

        • Jimmie says:

          Sounds like you could use some help from a lot more people. I know hundreds of Liberty Loving people that would like to help. Not sure you want THEIR help in all of these items you listed. Send an open invitation to the people you have identified as being cult members and maybe they will attend a breakfast.

          • Doug Grammer says:

            Cult members only care about the cult leader. We need people who will remember the clerk of court. The focus of the gop is more than just the Presidency. If cult members show up and think they should go to the GOP national convention over people who work that I just described, I speaking for myself, don’t need or want them.

            • nicholastjohnson says:

              Just so everyone here is clear, “cult” typically refers to a religious group. As much as I like Ron Paul, I certainly don’t worship, and I wouldn’t drink his poison kool-aid…

              Your intentional belittling of the Paul supporters by using the word “cult” isn’t fooling anyone.

              Do we support him and work towards getting him elected? Yes. Are we passionate and vocal? Yes. However, I’d like to see similar candidates elected in every local and state election, and I’m already working with people locally to make that happen. In fact, I would be willing to go out on a limb here and say that every single Paul supporter that I have had the pleasure of meeting over the last few months is working toward the same goal of replacing the RINOs in office today with true Republicans who can bring the party back to sanity. Paul may have been the spark, but our fire will burn long after he’s gone.

              Therefore, even if we use your incorrect definition of “cult” as a group of people beholden to one person, we are the very antithesis of a “cult”: we are a group of people working to get more people like us into elected office so as to stem the tide of warfare and welfare with which the Republican party has been overrun.

              • Doug Grammer says:

                The question you didn’t answer is would you support Ron Paul over the GOP nominee? If so, that makes you a RINO in my book. You vote GOP as long as it’s Ron Paul. You still have blinders on to the fact that 90% of the GOP seems to prefer someone else. You still have blinders on the newsletters issue. Ignoring reality is a cult-like symptom.

                If you want to work on other races, great. I have no problems with people supporting candidates they believe in. I do have problems with candidates who run as Republican because it’s the only way they can get elected.

                Another question remaining is will you work to earn a position within the GOP to try to change the GOP. If so, great. If not, you will still be sitting on the outside throwing rocks at the people who do the work.

                • Jimmie says:

                  That’s the question we keep asking the people that are accepting Romney as the GOP candidate. How is he a Republican, other than the (R) at the end of the his name. Was he the lesser of the 7 evils? More Obama like than the rest?

                  • Doug Grammer says:

                    Well, he ran as a Republican and more people voted for him than anyone else. Any other easy questions?

          • Doug Grammer says:

            I’m okay with people who support Ron Paul but care about who
            the local judge is. By definition, that makes them a Ron Paul supporter, not a cult member. That still leave them low on the totem pole on deciding who best represents the GOP.

        • CNFPP says:

          Forgot to mention the most important part Doug: DO ALL OF THIS WITHOUT PAY. Lose money because you are doing this rather than your paying job.

          Also, you forgot in addition to the fire ants, “get chased by a dog while going door-to-door. Get stitches because you were bitten by the dog you couldn’t outrun while going door-to-door.”

          Most people do little more than attend meetings. Those of us who make up the “establishment” have sent our time and money doing this kind of stuff for years, if not decades.

          • Doug Grammer says:

            And it costs money to do all of this. Do you think the GOP pays for gas most of the time? Going door to door, costs to attend county, district, state conventions, over night trips lodging…it goes on and on.

            • nicholastjohnson says:

              Oh, I may have misunderstood – from Doug’s comment, I thought he was implying that the corruption was only in Maine, 1500 miles away. I was just reminding him that we’ve had our own brand of corruption much closer to home.

              • CNFPP says:

                Nick, there is a big difference between stupidity and pettiness and corruption. Plus, if Maine and Athens was all you got out of what Doug said, you missed the point entirely.

                • nicholastjohnson says:

                  I definitely did not miss the point of his comment. And, it is certainly very well understood. I wouldn’t begin to question his or anyone here’s dedication to the party and willingness to work for little or no pay doing difficult tasks to advance the goals of the party. And, I fully understand that I must do the same to be in your good graces.

                  I think, at this point, my biggest disagreement with Doug, you, or anyone else who fits this description is the capitulation on upholding the principles of the Republican party. Romney is not a Republican – he’s said as much himself – and there is no reason to believe that he will change once he’s running against Obama when he’ll have to flex even more to the middle to get the independent vote. I am not willing to support someone who would bring continued pain and suffering to this country just because he puts an R next to his name. In my eyes, he is almost as dangerous as Obama – almost. In the name of political expedience, the establishment is willing to sacrifice their principles – I am not.

                  I will, however, work at your side in the party to ensure that liberty-minded, small government, local government, transparent government candidates are elected, and I will donate my expertise in the information technology field to accomplish our goals. I find it repulsive that some people are willing to sacrifice their ideals at the alter of the party leaders, and I’ll work towards helping the establishment see the error of those ways. There are good Republicans and bad Republicans – I’ll not support the bad, simply because they are on my team, but I will pound the pavement for the good all day.

                  I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: the Paul supporters are not your enemy. We simply hold ourselves to a higher set of standards that won’t allow us to swallow having another RINO as our nominee. He doesn’t represent me, and if I had to guess, he doesn’t represent most of the people that I label the establishment. They are just too beholden to the RNC to speak out.

                  • Calypso says:

                    @ nicholastjohnson–

                    If you haven’t already done so, please scroll to the bottom of this string and look at my reply to a question you asked me yesterday.

                  • Doug Grammer says:


                    Question, what is the purpose of a primary? Answer, for party members to select that party’s nominee to an office to be voted on by the general public in November.

                    Question, was Gov. Romney on the ballot as a Republican? Answer, yes.

                    Question, is Gov. Romney going to the GOP nominee short of death before the convention? Answer, yes.

                    Question, are you going to vote for the GOP nominee?

                    Question, what happens when a candidate runs third party with just a little steam that appeals to people who would normally vote for the GOP nominee? Answer, Bill Clinton.

                    Question, is a RINO someone who is Republican in Name Only? Answer, that’s what the acronym stands for. We can debate who is and isn’t, but short of death, the GOP nominee is going to be Gov. Romney. He will be the Republican on the ballot in November.

                    There is one yes or no question here unanswered. I’d like to know your answer.

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      As I said below, I’ll have to make a choice eventually, but I’m not prepared to do it now. I despise Obama and think his policies (especially during his second term) would be extremely detrimental to our country and future. But, unlike you, I can’t see the difference between Obama and Romney, aside from their party affiliation. Sure, Romney is saying the right things now, but if you look at his history, it leaves much to be desired.

                      Gingrich, Santorum, and Cain are, for the most part, actual Republicans, but I just don’t see it in Romney.

                      Some intrepid young fellow put together a video which illustrates why I’m so against Romney: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=W_pgfWK3sxw

                      It is a bit long, but it is very well done. If you have the time, take a peek, and let’s discuss this further. Is that really a man that represents you? If Obama put an R next to his name, would that make him a Republican? The GOP has some serious soul searching to do.

                    • Calypso says:

                      Denial is the first stage of grief. Just like in the loss of a loved one, no one ever ‘gets over’ it, though they do ‘get through’ it.

                      I trust you ‘make it through’ with your psychological well-being intact.

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      Again, you’re dodging the fact that Romney doesn’t deserve our support. The R next to his name doesn’t, in and of itself, make him a conservative.

                      I challenge you to find a video of Ron Paul flip-flopping like Romney does in the video above. I can’t fully grasp why anyone is being so myopic when analyzing Romney – he is the very definition of a RINO.

                    • Jimmie says:

                      Wow that video is very revealing of Mitt’s flip flopping past. There is no excuse for any of the content in it. He is a chameleon that is bought and paid for by the Oligarchy we call Corporate Bankers. When I get to Tampa I will vote for Newt. Ron Paul and Newt will be my choices when I become unbound as a GA delegate. Mitt Romney is a sham, the GOP knows it, Obama knows, and I know it. I want to beat Obama in November, not hand the Left another softball pitch like McCain/Palin debacle.

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      Exactly! Why are all these people supporting this guy?

                      When you get to the open convention and are released, vote for Paul, vote for Newt, heck vote for Cain or Jeb. Vote for an actual Republican! Don’t just blindly support Romney because your overlords demand it!

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      Well at least you are being honest. Now let me translate what you just said for everyone else. You don’t know if you are a Republican.

                      I’m not going to spend 20 minutes watching a bash Romney video. I’m just not in the mood right now. Maybe later. However, let me ask you about one flip flop Ron Paul has done. Is he a Republican or a Libertarian? I said earlier that one deffinition of RINO is Republican in name only, and people who run as a Republican because they think it’s the only way they can win. Is R.P. a Republican? Can he decide if he wants a R beside his name? Will he stick with that?

          • Doug Grammer says:

            Let’s talk about Clarke County. As much as I dislike Ron Paul, I want to see the GOP follow it’s own rules even more. I tried contacting the Ron Paul supporters there to give them advice and guidance. I sent about 5 FB messages and heard back from 2 people. I was told that I would get the full video, not the edited version that’s on you tube. I still haven’t received it. It’s obvious that a handshake was extended and offered when Lori yelled “don’t touch me.”

            I have been told that the Ron Paul supporters agreed to go by whatever the county party said when they appealed the county convention activities to the county party. I would not have done that. The county upheld the county convention, and the Ron Paul supporters decided not to fight any longer. They had the right to appeal further, but it looks like they aren’t interested in that.

            Was the objective to play the victim card and send a message that Ron Paul supporters weren’t treated fairly?

        • Three Jack says:

          Doug concluded, “Now tell me how bad a job we’ve been doing, ONE MORE TIME?”

          Not to take anything from the long list of volunteering presented (I have previously participated in many of the same efforts), but if everybody is doing such a good job, how come we keep ending up with less than desirable candidates as beneficiaries of all the hard work? Local, state and federal elected GOPers have essentially flipped you and all other volunteers the bird Doug as they enjoy their lobbyist provided dinners after authorizing higher spending, more taxes (fees) and increased the government presence in our lives.

          • Doug Grammer says:

            Three jack,

            Please see my comments about how I feel about who represents me above. I don’t get everything I want, but I’m fairly happy with what I have. I don’t get too involved with many things outside of NW Georgia, with an exception for Austin Scott and other special circumstances. I don’t look at every single GOP candidate for state house in Georgia. I look at mine, the one’s who live near me, and a few friends across the state.

          • CobbGOPer says:

            “Local, state and federal elected GOPers have essentially flipped you and all other volunteers the bird Doug as they enjoy their lobbyist provided dinners after authorizing higher spending, more taxes (fees) and increased the government presence in our lives.”

            But don’t you see, TJ? They have an R behind their name, so that makes it all A-OK in Doug’s book. Just as long as it’s not dirty Democrats with all the power.

            It’s a tough life when you view everything through partisan glasses.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              OKay, point out specific votes that Rep. Jay Neal has made that doen’t pass muster. I can’t speak for every elected GOP offical, but I will own up to mine.

  6. seekingtounderstand says:

    With all the hard work we are all doing, why do we keep getting the same outcome for Georgia?
    Why don’t we have the best Senators in the Country instead of the worst?
    Why is my Georgia not prospering and has suffered so much more than other states?
    Why was Gov. Perdue such a self serving person leaving us a mess and toll roads in our future.
    They are planned for all over GA. He probably signed contracts that Evans hasn’t told us yet.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      It’s not the same outcome. You can scream that all you like, but it doesn’t make it true. Is it perfect? Nope, not by a long shot. Is it better that what could have been? I think so.

      Georgia has problems. Are they getting better and how much is controlled by government action? That’s a debate for another thread.

      Are my state and U.S. senators perfect? No. Are they better than the alternatives that could have been? U.S. yes IMO, state, it depends upon who represents you.

      Toll roads, different thread.

      • seenbetrdayz says:

        I think ‘imperfection’ would describe a guy who votes for smaller government most of the time, but makes a mistake by supporting a bad bill every now and then. I could support someone like that, even if they weren’t named ‘Ron Paul.’

        You seem to be misusing the word ‘imperfection’ to describe the guy who typically votes for larger government and perhaps accidentally votes for smaller government every now and then. I really don’t see how we can hold our noses and vote for those guys, as we have always done, and then rationalize it by saying, “oh, well. No one is perfect.” Romney goes way beyond imperfection. If the GOP had picked any other republican than Romney, “imperfect” might apply.

        The GOP has a real problem on its hands because it seems like the worst candidate possible has risen to the top.

    • Calypso says:


      Either that or 6.56%. I don’t remember which. I’m sure one of the Paul supporters can remind us.

    • FFA says:

      Why don’t you wait and see how many delegates he gets if we get into a brokered convention. You may just be surprised.

      • Engineer says:

        Among the several issues I have with her (and there are a few), I’d say her desires for a more theocratic/puritanical country is near the top of the list.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          And you think she can accomplish those desires by becoming an alternate to the national GOP convention?

          • Engineer says:

            Assuming the main delegate doesn’t get sick or something, and that there is no brokered convention, then probably not, but I would expect that this would help her to become a delegate in the next election.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              It would more likely work against her as so many more people would want to go in the future. So nothing to fear in 2012 from Kay Godwin being an alternate to Tampa.

  7. debbie0040 says:

    Engineer, she may say the same thing about you if you were on the list. Kay is a great person and she is a pleasure to work with .

    It is pretty hypocritical for people that are are not social conservatives to demand others to respect their views, but they are not willing to do the same with people that are social conservatives. Why don’t you stop being a hypocrite?

    • Engineer says:

      Debbie, I grew up in Pierce County and know her family. I never said she was a bad person, in fact, she is a nice lady. However, that doesn’t mean I have to agree with her on her political and social philosophies and in fact, I do find several of her stances on various issues as frightening.

      I honestly don’t see it as hypocritical when said social conservatives want to legislate religion. A prime example of this would be Sunday alcohol sales. If they were “true” conservatives, they would support an individual’s personal choice to buy a product that is otherwise legal to buy 6 days of the week. If they want to really claim it has no religious bearing, then move it to Monday (just in time for football) or Tuesday. Just don’t insult my intelligence with contrived arguments about drunk drivers, because I’d rather them buy their alcohol and go home to drink it rather than them go to a restaurant (usually bar & grill), drink too many, and then drive home.

      • debbie0040 says:

        You are being hypocritical. You are essentially saying that it is ok for you and others to advocate on behalf of Sunday Sales but if others for whatever reason don’t, then they are trying to legislate religion . That view is wrong. People have a right to advocate for and against legislation or referendums , no matter what the reason is. I supported Sunday Sales because it is already being sold in restaurants on Sunday. I don’t condemn those that disagree… You have your reasons for wanting Sunday Sales and others have their reasons for not wanting it. Who gives anyone the right to be a judge and say that is not a good enough reason to advocate for what you strongly believe in..

        • Three Jack says:

          debbie, I think you’re missing the point here. Socons have basically been in control of the GOP for a couple of decades now. You guys had your chance, passed a bunch of abortion restrictions along with a few anti-gay measures yet failed to address the serious fiscal issues facing our state and country (see 2012 GA legislative session for the most recent example of this practice). It’s past time for a change.

          I for one thought the Tea Party would lead the ficon movement, but quickly realized too many of its leaders like yourself are re-born socons using fiscal issues as a front for the real desire to end abortion, stop homosexuality, etc. Thus we end up with a less than desirable candidate like Mitt because Tea Party Socons jumped on the Santorum bandwagon like they did the Huckabee campaign 4 years ago leaving us with McCain that time. You folks shoulder the blame for the GOP repeatedly nominating losers.

          It is also troubling that you as the Tea Party Patriots National Coordinator will be attending the GOP convention as a delegate. How can you claim to be politically non-partisan when you are beholden to the GOP platform as a delegate? Talk about hypocrisy.

          • debbie0040 says:

            We encouraged tea party activists to be delegates so they can have a voice at the convention and in the whole process, including the platform. The bottom line is if Obama is served his WhiteHouse eviction notice, it will be give by the GOP nominee. not a 3rd party.

            When is the last time you heard me advocate for or against abortion, for or against homosexuality or anyother social issues? I have not in the past few years. Since I volunteer my time on behalf of the tea party movement, I do have a right to have a personal opinion on the matter or do you want to take that away? I have posted time and time again that there are tea party activists that are gay, pro life, pro choice, etc.

            I know just as many tea party activists that supported Newt, Romney, Perry, etc. When it was clear that Newt was not going to win, many of the tea party activists that supported Newt jumped on both the Romney and Santorum bandwagon. Just as many supported Romney as did Santorum… I supported Santorum at first but after he kept the focus on social issues almost constantly, I moved to Romney.

            Ron Paul was not an option for 85% of tea party activists. The majority had major issues with his foreign policy views.

            For the record in 2008, if you bother to do your research, you will find that I was a very vocal against Huckabee.

            Three Jack, you and other social liberals have a very snobby attitude toward social conservatives. When have you ever seen Tea Party Patriots or Atlanta Tea Party address abortion or gay marriage? You and others like you have issues with the tea party because you wanted us to limit participation only to social liberals . You expected tea parties to shun social conservatives and refuse to work with them on tea party issues like fiscal responsibility, limited government and free markets. and that was wrong of you to think that way. We welcome both social liberals and social conservatives into the fold. The tea party movement is a big tent that welcomes all views on social issues and we are not going to tell either social conservatives or social liberals that can’t come in. And if you don’t like that, then stay away from tea parties.

            • Three Jack says:

              ‘Social liberals’ me, really? Actually as I have offered before, a real social conservative is one like myself who finds it objectionable to seek more government intrusion into the private lives of American citizens under the guise of ‘protection’ (as in protecting the unborn, protecting the santity of marriage, etc.).

              I have no issues with the Tea Party as a movement…in fact, I was there at the beginning and continue to support the original concept. I just think it is unfortunate that leadership is dominated by folks like yourself who spent years running the GOP as a vehicle to impose more government influence in our lives. Even now you can’t resist the lure of being a GOP delegate despite the inherent hypocrisy of such a position when contrasted with your roll as an executive officer in the non-partisan TPP. IMHO, you can’t have it both ways.

              • Doug Grammer says:

                She can want to change the system, but can’t join the party in charge to try to change it from within? She can’t join two different organizations that have some overlapping goals or principals?

                • Three Jack says:

                  Doug, anybody can join as many organizations as they like. But don’t put on this show about the Tea Party Patriots being non-partisan if you are still deeply involved in one of the major political parties and only endorse GOPers.

                  And save me the BS about ‘changing it from within’. First the person actually has to have a different idea about the party if they are attempting to change it, debbie doesn’t. Second it will not work because the GOP is doomed to be the party of old ideas run by old people unwilling to discuss the 3 major redistribution programs bankrupting this country. Beyond that, the party leadership is also dominated by evangelicals who vote on one issue. Change ain’t happening from within if the within is FUBAR.

                  • CobbGOPer says:

                    “Change ain’t happening from within if the within is FUBAR.”

                    Can I get an Amen? +1000

                  • Doug Grammer says:

                    I think I’ve made some changes in the GOP, but that’s just my opinion.

                    I’ve talked about SS, medicare, education, military spending, healthcare, and other issues.

                    If you are talking about elected officials, I seem to recall W talking about personalized savings accounts as a plan to replace SS.

                    I’ve been to tea party meetings where they want to throw everyone out of office. I expect most of them will vote GOP in November.

        • Engineer says:

          I think you missed the point. You made this comment: “Who gives anyone the right to be a judge and say that is not a good enough reason to advocate for what you strongly believe in..”

          I ask you the same thing, but with a slight clarification with the ban removed, who is forcing anybody to purchase alcohol? If you don’t believe in buying alcohol on Sunday, then don’t buy it and let the free market work it out. It really is just THAT simple.

            • Engineer says:

              Rather than note the point, that the Sunday sales should be a free market issue, you instead want to put words in my mouth. Would you mind showing me where I said in my response that she did or didn’t support Sunday sales? Oh wait, you can’t.

              • Doug Grammer says:

                I will admit you were vauge when you said ” if you don’t believe ….” How are we supposed to if you meant Debbie while you were replying to her ?

                    • Engineer says:

                      So your whole argument is that because I didn’t make a separate paragraph for it that it only refers to one person.

                      Fine, then let me separate it out for you.

                      “If you don’t believe in buying alcohol on Sunday, then don’t buy it and let the free market work it out. It really is just THAT simple.”

                      Happy now? Or perhaps you just disagree with the point that the free market is the answer (with “you”, who knows)?

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      Yes, I’m happier now. It justed seemed you were telling Debbie she was against it when she stated she was for Sunday sales.

                      As for myself, I am OK with local communities deciding. I was never that overly invested in the outcome either way.

    • seekingtounderstand says:

      Debbie: You have a fake tea party canidate running for congress which will show folks that you are a hypocrite. Don’t you vet folks first?

  8. jstjoan says:

    It appears the “Guest” who was allowed to move up as a delegate at the 13th District convention is Sahar Hekmati herself.

    She was not elected as either a delegate or an alternate at the Henry County convention. As a matter of fact, she challenged to be both and lost both.

    • registrar says:

      GA GOP rules allow for *anyone* to be nominated & elected as a Delegate or Alternate to the RNC. They don’t have to be a Delegate or Alternate to the Convention from which they are elected, either District or State.

      • CNFPP says:

        Correct. You don’t need to be a delegate at county to be elected a delegate to district or state and you don’t have to be a delegate at district or state to be elected a delegate to the RNC.

        • Jimmie says:

          In retrospect the whole process seems to be a sham. Why doesn’t the GOP leaders just come out in the open and select the delegates by how much time they serve. The present system of people volunteering, forming coalitions, game planning against factions within the Party appears to just be a facade. The Party says it itself. Only the people that put the nec. time in are allowed to attend the National Conventions. These people will vote the way the party leaders tell them anyway, no? When the convention happens, and Mitt doesn’t have the 1144 needed, who will all of these delegates from GA vote for when they are legally unbound? It’s a legitimate question, since Mitt doesn’t have much
          more than 40% of the Party behind him.

          • Calypso says:

            Jimmie, I think you’re on to something. At the convention, after the first round of voting and the delegates are free to choose who they want, I feel certain that the vast majority of them will say, “Hey, 10.33% of the voters in the Republican primaries voted for Ron Paul. That’s virtually a mandate. We are going to make him our nominee.”

            /sarcasm off/

            • Jimmie says:

              Of course you didn’t answer the question. Are the Tea Party people going to throw out their 2008 Principles and vote for Romneycare? Are the RP’ers going to toss their Principles and vote for the candidate that has already said he supports the NDAA? Romney wasn’t good enough in 2008. What has he done since to make these 2 conservative groups above hold their nose and vote for him when unbound? Because Sue tells them too? I think it’s comedic that the one candidate running for GOP nod that can’t even approach the health mandate, is the one they are choosing to run against Obama. I can see Obama’s smirky lil grin now as he tells the world how he used Romney’s own plan to come up with Obamacare. Remember Folks! Corporations are People my friends!

              • Calypso says:

                Jimmie, it’s people like you for whom the phrase ‘Don’t let the pursuit of perfection become the enemy of the good’ was coined.

                Since it inevitably will be Romney v. Obama, for whom are you going to vote, and what are you going to do besides bitch?

                It is the way it is.

              • debbie0040 says:

                Romney is going to be the nominee and by the time you factor in Super Delegates, he will have enough for the nomination by the time the convention rolls around. Ron Paul has no chance at all. If Romney does not have the necessary votes, I absolutely would not cast my vote for Ron Paul.. If Ron Paul were the nominee, I would gladly cast my vote for him in the General election.

                There is far too much at stake this election not to support Romney once he sews up the nomination. The question you have to answer is whether you want President Romney or President Obama appointing Supreme Court Justices and who you would rather have lead this nation the next 4 years in these turbulent times. Which one actually shows respect for the Constitution? In 2008, many people disgruntled with who won the GOP nomination decided they would send a message to the GOP by not voting for McCain. Look at the cost of this message – Massive deficits, disasterous foreign policy, two liberal SC Justices , a President that shows complete disdain for the Constitution, etc. Now that Santorum has dropped out, you will see conservatives unite behind Romney. Many may not be excited by a Romney candidancy, but they are excited at the prospect of defeating Obama..

                My question is if many Ron Paul supporters are not going to support the GOP nominee, then why on earth did they get involved in the GOP convention process to begin with? The GOP convention process this year was for the GOP to organize and elect delegates to represent the GOP at the National Convention. Only Republicans should be participating and there were many Paul supporters dishonest by claiming they were.

                I know of Ron Paul supporters that organized and told Paul supporters to infilitrate their local GOP and to lie about who they supported so they could become delegates to the National Convention and stir things up for Ron Paul and cause a disruption at the National Convention for Ron Paul. This information was very well known to everyone and was no secret. Given that and disruptions at county conventions, did you really expect Sue Everhart and others to welcome Paul supporters as delegates? What if someone tried to pull the same tactics on Campaign For Liberty? Don’t sit there and tell me you would have just rewarded them by giving them honors and put them in leadership.

                • nicholastjohnson says:

                  Debbie –

                  Thank you for this comment. It is indicative of a larger problem with many of the establishment Republicans. And by “establishment”, I just mean the people with blind party loyalty who do what their told by the party leaders. I’m done trying to convince the people here that Dr. Paul should be the nominee, so I’ll just discuss the fallacy of some of your points.

                  You’re repeating a line in your first paragraph that I hear all too often: “Romney is going to be the nominee.” Now, this may turn out to be true, but right now, it is still way too early to tell. Dr. Paul has the plurality of delegates in several states now despite his showing at the polls. In Iowa, for instance, he was in a virtual dead heat with Santorum and Romney in the straw poll, which should mean that they would split the delegates. The AP reports that Santorum will receive 13 delegates, Romney 13, and Ron Paul 1. But, that simply isn’t the case. The individuals going through the delegate process in that state overwhelmingly support Ron Paul, so he will probably walk away with more than 2/3rds of the delegates to the national convention. The same thing is happening in Missouri, Alaska, North Dakota, Maine, Idaho, Nevada, Colorado and others. When your or others talk about Romney having the nomination in the bag, are you purposefully ignoring these truths or are you ignorant to them? Either case is disheartening. The delegate numbers being reported by the mainstream media outlets are guesses at best and complete fabrications at worst.

                  You ask another misleading question above: “Would you rather have President Obama or President Romney appointing justices and leading the nation.” This is a trick question – I choose Option C: Neither! These two men are so close on policies that I would venture to say that if shown some quotes and asked to pick which man said which thing, they are virtually indistinguishable. Romney is trying mightily to slide back to the conservative base, but that is only because he’s trying to win the GOP nomination. Once he gets into battle with Obama, he’ll be right back to the middle. Do we really want a candidate that capitulates on important issues and doesn’t have any convictions save those convictions the audience in front of him wants him to have?

                  Next, you ask “which one actually shows respect for the constitution,” and again, it is a trick question. Neither! Bailouts, NDAA, Patriot Act, etc all tarnish Romney’s record. If you think he’s any more or any less constitutional because of what he has said during the few months of his GOP campaigning, then you are blatantly ignoring the rest of his history. Wouldn’t you rather have a man who has upheld the constitution on every single vote for the last 30 years? Why settle for the guy that doesn’t really uphold the constitution but upholds it more than that other guy?

                  “Massive deficits, disastrous foreign policy, two liberal justices, and a president that shows disdain for the constitution.” By trying to pin “massive deficits” on Obama you are showing here and to our enemy (collectivists) that you are intellectually dishonest. Deficit spending can’t even be pinned on W. It goes much, much further back than that. Keynesian economics relies heavily of debt and has been the economic policy of this country for far too long. Because of the continued devaluation of the dollar, the dollar amounts that you’re seeing in the deficit are getting bigger and bigger, but Obama is simply the last in a long line of president’s who don’t really care to reign in spending. “Disastrous foreign policy” – Are you implying that Obama’s foreign policy is different that W’s? I can’t see where. He promised to end the meaningless wars, yet here we are a decade later still sending my friends into a foreign land to die for…. wait, for what, exactly? What are we fighting? Ah, we’re spreading democracy and peace… with bombs and bullets dropped onto the heads of women and children while they sleep in cities. If we’re spending $2 billion per week on the war effort, someone is making $2 billion a week… Those people have the motive, opportunity and resources to ensure that the wars don’t stop. “Disdain for the constitution” – I don’t think it is actual disdain. It is more likely just a disregard. He doesn’t seem to care about what is in it, but for that matter, neither did W when he signed the Patriot Act into law effectively negating the 4th amendment. Or, neither did Nixon or Reagan when the declared that private property (drugs specifically) was illegal – at least when they prohibited alcohol they realized it required a constitutional amendment. Not so these day – our leaders have a reckless abandon when it comes to trouncing the document that has made this country great.

                  Also, you mention that the conservatives are uniting behind Romney, which is a stretch. Most conservatives I know who supported Santorum can see right through Romney – they are in large part supporting Gingrich or Paul. I know you’re trying to tow the party line here, but Romney isn’t a conservative. People can see that, and if their guy is gone, they’d prefer a candidate who is more like them. Santorum thrived on the evangelical vote, and with him leaving, Paul is far and away the next most devout candidate. His statement of faith spells out his faith quite clearly, and pastors, deacons, and religious leaders all over the country are pointing their flock toward Paul. The only Santorum supporters I know who are now putting their support behind Romney are people who are so entrenched in the establishment that they couldn’t dare to challenge the presumptive nominee by actually supporting a candidate that they agree with. They’re doing what they’re told, basically.

                  Your next question about why we would join the GOP if we weren’t going to support the GOP nominee is an interesting one, and I think, the answer is critical to our countries continued survival. If you look at the GOP platform, our (Paul supporters, that is) ideals are lockstep with those principles. It is only our methods that differ from yours and other establishment Republicans. We are Republicans. In my opinion, Libertarians and Republicans have the same ideals, but differ on strategy and implementation. In this ridiculous two party system, we have to work through the channels available, so instead of having a legitimate third party, we are trying to pull the Republican party back towards their own stated goals and principles. We aren’t trying to take over – we’re simply trying to show the error of the establishment’s application of our shared ideals. One of the great tragedies of the two party system is that it creates an unhealthy us-versus-them mentality. Instead of voting for the best candidate, many people simply click all “D” or all “R” when they get to the polling booth. Most people simply don’t have the time or the mind space to thoroughly research all the candidates, but I can assure you that the people that vote on party lines have voted for candidates who they disagree with in principle, simply because they were too lazy to do the research. I’m not advocating voting against Romney on purpose, but I, like many others, am sick of having to vote for the lesser of two evils. Dr. Paul gives me the chance to vote for a candidate who is consistent and honest, which are two important traits that no remaining candidate has except him.

                  This post has gotten a bit long, so I’ll refrain from posting links to supporting articles and videos to some of my points. But, I think that if you take the time to read what I’ve written here, I’m sure you’ll see that I’m not trying to cause trouble within the GOP – I’m only trying to get the GOP to adhere to its own principles, and I want a nominee who will do the same. I’m convinced that voting along party lines is the surest way to guarantee our continued downward spiral. Until we realize that some individuals have principles that are counter to our GOP principles, we’ll continue voting for the person that raises the most money and convinces the most party leaders, not, necessarily, the person that actually deserves our vote. On his campaign website, Dr. Paul outlines his policies, and I’d ask every one reading this to go and spend 10 minutes of their lives reading some of that. I read every other candidates positions, and I was left feeling like I more closely aligned with Dr. Paul than anyone else. I’m confident that if we all just take off our blinders or drop our preconceived notions, we can agree that Ron Paul’s positions on the most important issues of our time are exactly what this country needs.

                  • drjay says:

                    even if they media delegate counts are off at this point, lots of big winner take all states are left (cali, nj, utah, ny) that romney is going to take–if you read the history’s of any close conventions, esp. recent ones 76, 80, even the 08 dem convo — even with the interesting machination that go on behind the scenes– close is going to be enough to win–for the reasons i mentioned below…

                    • drjay says:

                      as a history and poli-sci buff, i would be intrigued if something unexpected happened in tampa, but since the paul strategy is not a big secret–frankly if the romney people can’t handle the “onslaught” in august, then they deserve to lose…

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      Unfortunately for the union, it may go that way, but I won’t stop trying to push the GOP back to its roots. I’ll continue to hold out hope for Paul until Mittens hits 1144. I’m still hoping it doesn’t happen in time, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest it won’t.

                  • Calypso says:

                    @ nicholastjohnson–

                    I have a picture of you in my mind. Your head is buried three feet in the sand and you have your fingers in your ears while saying aloud, ‘lalalalalala I’m not listening to you lalalalala’

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      Here’s a better picture: I’m a family man with three little boys to watch out for. I’m trying to ensure that they have the best future possible.


                      It is certainly cute imagery, though, to paint me as a kook who is out of touch with reality. I suppose that is easier than critical thinking.

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      Mitt Romney: “My only connection [to the Republican Party] is that I’m registered as a Republican.”

                      This is the guy you all want to represent us in the upcoming election? I simply don’t see how any of you can be so blinded by party loyalty to see that this guy will say or do the most politically expedient thing at the moment. He has no loyalty to the GOP or our ideals. It’s just sad, and yet, I’m the one who is labeled as the guy with his head in the sand and fingers in his ear yapping “la-lalalala-lalala I can’t hear you…”

                      How can this be?

                    • Calypso says:

                      “…and yet, I’m the one who is labeled as the guy with his head in the sand and fingers in his ear yapping “la-lalalala-lalala I can’t hear you…”

                      How can this be?”

                      Because you believe if you don’t admit to the reality of the situation (that the race is Obama v Romney) then it won’t be true and Paul will ride in wearing his shining armor on a white steed to save the day.

                      IT AIN’T HAPPENING, not matter how much you wish it otherwise.

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      So, you don’t deny that Romney is actually not a conservative and is more like Obama than Reagan, you’re just saying its a foregone conclusion that Romney will be the nominee.

                      To that point I can, begrudgingly, admit it will probably be the case. My only point is that it isn’t done yet, and until the fat lady sings, I’m going to keep hoping for the best. I’m under no false pretenses that it isn’t a long shot, but someone has to win the lottery eventually. It is a possibility, even if it is a slim possibility.

                      What do you think of that Mitt Romney video? In your opinion, why does the GOP establishment not care about that and other similar videos? Are they willing to cast aside their beliefs because the party leaders tell them to?

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      “kook who is out of touch with reality.” You seem to have a very hard time accepting reality.

                      “This is the guy you all want to represent us in the upcoming election?” He is going to be the GOP nominee whether either of us voted for him or not. When he wins the nomination, he will represent the GOP. He will represent me. Only you can decide if you are Republican or not.

                  • Jimmie says:

                    Romney was always the nominee. The Fox, and CNN spoon fed us morsels of it before the process even started.
                    While I disagree with Rick on his Theocracy agenda, I appreciated his conviction to stand behind them. He pointed it out very clearly how Mitt is a chameleon. Every time I hear Mitt speak, it is very obvious to me, he is just a walking sound bite. Nothing substantial in conservative policy comes out of his mouth.
                    How does Mitt supporting the Patriot Act/NDAA align him with being a Champion of the Constitution?
                    Debbie, you can tow the party line like you say you intend to do. Most on this list will. That was the intention of Sue & Co. correct? I would have much more respect for anyone on this list if they voted on their own Principals, instead of the suit they tell you to vote for. (It is just about certain to be an Open Convention. )Especially any member of a Tea Party group. It’s amazing what 4 years will do to the fundamentals of a movement when they allow their principals to be compromised.

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      They forget that the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul supporters who on December 16, 2007 recreated that august event by having their own Tea Party.

                      Try as they might, it is impossible for the Tea Party to ignore that their organization came into strength out of the ashes of Ron Paul’s 2008 presidential campaign.

                    • debbie0040 says:

                      The tea party was not successful until 2009 -when it was not associated with Ron Paul. It went no where until it stopped being affiliated with Ron Paul.

                      Jimmie, no one is telling me how to vote. I know that voting 3rd party will help re-elect Obama and that needs to be avoided. I care about the future of my 3 year old grandson. Obama can do irreparable harm to this nation in a 2nd term. I am not willing to sacrifice his future because you and other Paul supporters think anyone that supports Romney is sacrificing their principles. I don’t care if you don’t like the fact I am choosing my grandson’s future and the future of this nation over staying firm to not support Romney.

                      Ron Paul was my last choice as far as GOP candidates. His foreign policy views and ties with Alex Jones, Stormfront and his statements regarding 9-11 made him my last choice.. I make no apology about that in any way .. The overwhelming majority of tea party activists agree with me on Ron Paul.

                      Since we are talking about Ron Paul, let’s address the fact his supporters alienate many with their bashing anyone that does not like Ron Paul as a neo- con or not true conservative. Most Paul supporters do not tolerate other views than their own on Ron Paul and will go on the attack with criticisms. Many have told me that Ron Paul supporter’s attitudes make Paul less appealing than he already was to them.

                      I respect your right to support Ron Paul and admire your dedication to him. Is it really too much to ask that yoiu do the same in return?

                    • nicholastjohnson says:

                      Debbie, just because I’m curious, what differences do you see between Obama and Romney? What will Romney do differently that will save your grandson?

                      Also, you realize that by taking the position that because a 3rd party vote would be a throw away vote, you are essentially perpetuating the cycle?

                      And, what statements about 911 are you referring to? If you mean to say you don’t believe in the concept of blowback, I’m not sure I can help you, but maybe I can clarify some of his points for you.

                  • Doug Grammer says:

                    “blind party loyalty who do what their told by the party leaders” What about blind loyalty to Ron Paul? One word: “Newsletters.”

                    “I choose Option C: Neither!” Neither isn’t going to happen. Pick one.

                • Three Jack says:

                  debbie0040 writes, “Now that Santorum has dropped out, you will see conservatives unite behind Romney.”

                  Really? Santorum hasn’t even announced his support yet, but you already know that ‘conservatvies’ will put aside principles yet again to support the GOP nominee. Speaking as a frustrated fiscal conservative, I for one will not be supporting or voting for Mitt Romney.

                  And to blame fiscal conservatives for Obama being elected is absurd beyond belief. The GOP spent years as a majority but failed to uphold the principles on which they were elected…that’s why Obama won. Blame the party debbie, not those of us who used to work in the party electing so-called ‘conservatives’ only to discover we actually elected a bunch of go along to get along big government liberals. As George W. Bush so inarticulately said, “…fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

  9. nicholastjohnson says:

    The last time I was here was after the county conventions, so I thought I’d stop in to see what the buzz was about this time around. Glad to see Doug still shaking the trees. 🙂

    I will say, though, that I am happy to see a healthy number of Ron Paul supporters on that list – a little less than half by my count. This will certainly make an interesting convention. Not to mention, I would imagine Sue Everhart is sideways right now, after her guarantee that no Ron Paul supporters would make it to Tampa from Georgia.

    We were rather sedate in the 6th where they disallowed nominating speeches, which I can’t understand. I would think people would want to hear from the individuals representing them in Tampa – apparently, the 6th district just wants to put their trust in the nominating committee. Can anyone else report any excitement in any of the other districts?

    • Doug Grammer says:

      I know a little more than half, and you are saying that everyone I don’t know will be voting Ron Paul? REALLY?

    • A Cobb Republican says:

      Yeah, no major fights at the 6th. The Ron Paul supporters were maybe a quarter of the crowd. The regulars overwhelmingly adopted rules to strengthen the powers of the chair and the sergeant-at-arms. Then the nominating committee’s slate was approved, one at a time, by voice vote.

      Extremely weird that there were no speeches. If the whole point of the convention was to elect people to be national delegates, and the candidates were there (which I think they all were), why shouldn’t they have given a two-minute speech?

  10. debbie0040 says:

    Nicholas, someone needs to help you with your math. I know most of the people on that list and they are not Ron Paul supporters. Nice attempt at trying to spin it that way…. I would say not even 10% are.. I have heard the same ridiculous claim from other Ron Paul supporters trying to explain why they did not achieve their stated goals.

    Point out the ones that you claim are Ron Paul supporters. Let me guess, you would but many of them are stealth supporters that you don’t want to out…..

    • nicholastjohnson says:

      I guess we’ll just have to wait until Tampa.

      To qualify, I have access to the lists of Paul supporters from 08 and 12, and I’ve been in contact with many of the Paul supporters. After the national convention, send me an email, and I’ll give you the names of our people that were elected over the weekend.

      In other news, how was your convention? Any craziness? We made a strong push for our people to practice civility and diplomacy where possible this time around. I’m hoping the establishment is starting to see that we aren’t all heathens. 🙂

      • Mize1970 says:

        Nicholas, in the 13th CD, the Paul supporters (or at least those I recognized as such) WERE the civil & diplomatic ones . . . and were just as confused as I was at all the strange goings-on.

      • debbie0040 says:

        I think you and other Paul supporters are over-inflating the Paul supporter delegates that were elected on purpose. No one really believes your 50% figure… We will wait until Tampa..

        • nicholastjohnson says:

          Debbie –

          Luckily, it doesn’t matter what you choose to believe, as perception is rarely reality. I didn’t mention my “less than half” analysis to be inflammatory, rather it was just a matter of fact statement based on my interactions with some of the people on that list.

          My real reason for coming back today was less to gloat and more to find out what some of the establishment Republicans thought of the conventions themselves, to find out your opinions of our decorum this time around, and to see if anyone was upset at the amount of Paul supporters selected. I can’t exactly tell why you’re so defensive about our strength, but it is interesting, nonetheless.

          Does anyone know if Sue has said anything about all the Paul people going to Tampa?

    • registrar says:

      I know most of the people on that list too, and I estimate around 25% of them are Paul supporters who will vote for him as soon as they are legally allowed to do so. Since it’s highly likely that both Gingrich and Santorum will release their delegates before the very first vote (to show unity behind the presumptive nominee, of course), that means they’ll get to vote for Paul from the very first vote. So in conjunction with how well Paul’s supporters did in getting majorities and pluralities of RNC delegates at district and state conventions around the nation this weekend, like Nicholas said, this will certainly make an interesting convention.

      • registrar says:

        And yes, a good number of those are “stealth” Paul supporters, thanks to how wonderfully Paul supporters have been welcomed into the GOP fold by the establishment types (even those who call themselves “anti-establishment Tea Party” but who we all have learned really aren’t).

      • drjay says:

        meh, it won’t make for that interesting of a convention. about like the dems in 84, maybe. where hart got a lot of delegates but everyone knew mondale was going to prevail. worst case for romney he falls a 100 or so votes short of a majority going into the convention. what passes for superdelegates for the gop will be whipped very hard to fall in line. and then even if 2/3 (a very generous number btw) of the released gingrich and santorum delegates are stealth paul supporters there will be enough that are basically regular gop folk that are not going to want a floor fight on national tv, that delegation chairs and romney operatives will be able to convince to give romney a 1st ballot win…

  11. AMB says:

    If the percentage of votes your candidate receives is less than the number of people who believe in little green men…you might be a cult. If more people believe in ghosts than will vote for your man… you might be a cult. If you can convince yourself that losing is actually winning…well, you might be Rick Santorum but you are probably a cult.

  12. Jimmie says:

    What’s up with City of Cumming Mayor Henry Ford Gravitt physically kicking out a citizen that was legally taping the Council Meeting this week?
    Youtube– Cumming Mayor H. Ford Gravitt — HB 397
    What is there to hide?
    Georgia Sunshine Law O.C.G.A. § 50-14-1. Open and Public Meetings Act. The public at all times shall be afforded access to meetings declared open to the public. Visual and sound recording during open meetings shall be permitted.

  13. FFA says:

    One thing for sure I know of one person who is not with the regular GOP crowd. If that person becomes a free agent which is a shoe in since Newt campaign just bounced a $500 check, they will be voting Ron Paul. I have absolutely no doubt about what I am saying because we are very close friends. So I know they lost one.

  14. Jimmie says:

    Some of our GOP conventions had these limitations also. Where is the transparency? Why not be able to tape all of the open proceedings? Who is hiding what?

  15. FFA says:

    I am going to make one last post and then I am leaving because I truly do not think my stomach can stand any more. The Republican party is committing suicide. You are taking the young Ron Paul supporters lightly. You are making fun of them and trying to humiliate them. Bad mistake on your part. My guess is they will own your party eventually. These young people are dedicated and they do not give up easy. I am not a young person but I see that they are right and you the now Republican GOP is dead wrong. Some of your members have even resorted to rigging the elections. In the future I will be working very hard with the young people to take over my County Republican GOP. It is time for a change.

    • nicholastjohnson says:

      I’m not sure who you are, FFA, but I’ll take you at your word that you are an older GOPer who has been paying his (her?) dues for years.

      If that is the case, what do you think the response will be from the establishment towards this comment? I would imagine people like Doug and Debbie will attempt to discredit you or slander you for your position, and why do you think we’re receiving so much pushback from the GOP? Our ideals are more closely aligned with the stated GOP positions on the issues, yet we are mocked and ridiculed as radicals. Do you have any insight into why this is happening? How could otherwise intelligent people completely ignore the fact that their party has been hijacked by corrupt wolves in sheep clothing? To be honest, I’m at a loss.

      Also, could you give me any advice for continuing the dialog? I feel like if I just talked to enough people, I could show them the error in the direction of the party, but then, in forums like this, I am basically shunned. I try to be polite and intellectually honest, but my advances are constantly met with sarcasm and deflection. How can I best get through to some of these well meaning individuals who may not be as educated on the full extent of the situations?

      • drjay says:

        i’m not sure this will come out the way i think it, but here goes–i generally don’t have much problem with ron paul, or most of his views–we disagree on some things, in a global economy where gold and silver are traded as commodities, i think there are dangers to pegging our currency to them, also i don’t think we can be the world police, but i also don’t think we can be isolationists (not sure what the balance is–and i know that way oversimplifies the dr’s platform–so you don’t have to go through effort to “correct me”) i know several ron paul supporters locally who have been involved since 08 and have stayed involved and worked within the party. they have been great, a lot of them are young, and they certainly are th future of the party–my complaints about a lot of the ron paul folks is two fold and fair or not one of my concerns is actually not about them per se, but because of memories i have of another “takeover” of the party when i was younger–way back in the early 90’s when i first became an active politico the christian coalition was on the rise, they took over a lot of county parties (heck we elected ralph reed state chair at one point) and a lot of “their guys” ran for offices from sheriff to senate–and a lot of them would disappear if “their guys” did not win whatever primary was in question and the gop lost some elections they might have won with the help of these new “party leaders” with things like gotv and fundraising and the like. the way the paul folks kind of showed up in 08 and then dissappeared right after the convention felt a little the same as that to me, i also found a lot of the dr’s faithful to be a little abrasive to the point of being a bit offputting–and thought the whole showing up to convention and not wanting to pay and appearing to want to advance a cause without really helping advance the party was not a way to broaden their support very much…the past couple of years have seemed better–but i still have the the memories of the early 90’s and it gives me pause…

          • nicholastjohnson says:

            And that is interesting to me, Calypso. Why do most of you not care to be diplomatic?

            Do you disagree with our ideals or our methods?

            • Calypso says:

              In a nutshell, I don’t have too much against Ron Paul. Some of his foreign policy stuff I disagree with, some of his monetary ideas, some of his non-interventionist (I say isolationist) policies are wrong-headed.

              While I am by no means speaking for anyone but myself, the feeling I get from reading others’ posts is that you guys are a one-trick pony. It’s Paul or nothing. If I can’t win the game, I’m taking my ball and going home until the next game four years from now.

              Romney was not my first choice for the GOP nomination. Actually, I am more independent/libertarian in nature. But where I think most of us differ from you Paul folks is that we have realized for some time that even though he might not be ‘our guy’ as a personal choice, Mitt Romney is going to run against Barack Obama in November 2012. One of those two men will be the next president of the USA. Given the two choices with which we are presented, I will be supporting and voting for Romney, as my desire to see Obama beaten is stronger than my disgruntlement over the fact that my original choice for the nomination is not in the race. My desire to see Obama beaten is also stronger than my concerns with the imperfections Mitt Romney has.

              By the way, my early choices were Huntsman and Gary Johnson.

              • nicholastjohnson says:

                Unlike Huntsman and Johnson, Paul has a chance. Is it an inkling, a whisper, a glimmer, a slim chance? Sure, but it is a chance, nonetheless.

                When and if that chance is extinguished, I’ll have to seriously consider my next move. I am morally against voting for Obama or Romney, so it is difficult to say what I’ll do. If I relegate myself to voting for the lesser of two evils, I am still voting for evil, which doesn’t sit well with me. I can’t preach an adherence to principles if I don’t practice that same policy even when times get tough – I have an internal struggle with morality and principled decision making, and to make a politically expedient decision would make me no different from the establishment that I spend so much time chastising. If you have any advice for how you are able to justify your abandonment of morality, I’m all ears.

                I realize I may be hoping for a long shot, but I’ll continue hoping just the same.

                I’ll leave you with a Romney quote: “The only connection I have to the Republican party is that I’m registered as a Republican.”

    • Jimmie says:

      That’s ridiculous. His cause if hurt because the GOP has been over run with Chicken Hawk Neo-Cons. Look at the other 3 major candidates. 2 Draft dodgers. That one debate where RP schooled Newt about serving with kids at home was a classic. Newt was a bumbling fool in that one.

    • Jimmie says:

      Debbie What part of c.i.a. Labeled blowback do younot understand? For decades the U.S. Gov has manipulate what happens in the M.E. This is not speculation, it is fact. Everything we touch over there makes it worse. If somE group in Fulton county continuously told you what u can and can’t do with your house and property. Appointed your town leaders. Killed many of your innocent relatives. Extrapolate this over 5 or 6 decades. Do you think eventually you would start to get pissed off and push back on That group. Blowback happens everywhere. The whole “they hate us because we’re free” excuse is crap. They hate us because we are alway messing up their region in the name”democracy”. Only the closed minded can’t understand that blow back is real. I used to be just as brainwashed as you seem to be. I was all about shock and awe till I realized it was just Lies and Deception.

    • nicholastjohnson says:

      The title of that video (Ron Paul Blames 911 on America) intentionally obfuscates his point, so let me clarify.

      Ron Paul Blames 911 on US Government Foreign Policy.

      That’s quite different, Debbie, from blaming it on America or the American people. If your point of this post is to try and paint Paul as a villain or a kook, you’ve failed. The CIA blames 911 on blowback – it isn’t really up for debate.

      So, since I can’t find a legitimate point from your comment, can you tell me what your point is?

  16. seekingtounderstand says:

    Dear Ron Paul People: Hang in there as the Tea Party is putting out fake canidates so folks will realize this and want change again. They should have vetted their canidates better rather than let it be an easy label to get votes.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      Please define “fake candidate.” The tea party doesn’t qualify candidates. The GOP does. Even so, they don’t vet candidates. The voters in the primary do that.

  17. nicholastjohnson says:

    Doug and Debbie, don’t look now, but Ron Paul just swept the delegates in Minnesota and will split them with Santorum in Iowa.

    Would the two of you just absolutely come unglued if he was able to get to the convention with a plurality of delegates in 5 – 10 states and with Mitt not locking up the 1144? Oh my, this will be a fun summer!

      • nicholastjohnson says:

        And you people say I’m the one out of touch with reality…

        I’m not even getting this information from some Ron Paul echo chamber website – this is coming from WSJ, New York Times, Drudge, etc… Your head is buried in the sand, my friend. There will be fireworks in Tampa. I’m not predicting a Paul victory, but I am, most certainly, predicting fireworks.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          What is your complaint ? You are not predicting victory and I am predicting defeat . It seems as if we see eye to eye on Paul’s chances.

          • nicholastjohnson says:

            I’m not predicting the victory for Paul, but neither will I predict the victory for Mittens. I, unlike you, realize that it is still too soon to tell.

            We are not eye to eye on his chances, as you incorrectly believe he has no chance, whereas I correctly believe that he has the best chance of anyone save Mittens.

  18. nicholastjohnson says:

    For those of you who are unhappy with the fact that Mitt Romney may be representing you, as a Republican, in the general election, there is still time to get a real conservative on the ballot to battle Obama. Reach out to people you know in states where they haven’t yet held their primaries and tell them not to vote for Romney. Also, there is one caucus state left – if you have friends or family in Louisiana, call them and convince them to elect a real Republican, not just who the media and the GOP is shoving down their throats.

    Share this video with them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38 – Obama and Romney have, literally, said exactly the same words on some of the most important issues of our time.

    • Jimmie says:

      Another great video. Doug you may have chosen to not watch the Romney Flip Flopping in his own words video, but I urge you to watch this one. You appear to be a Newt supporter as of right now, and know full well there is not a whole lot of dif. between Mitt and Obama, of course you can’t publicly state that anymore.
      How can the accusations be refuted when their words are near identical on approx 8 major issues. It’s scary how close their words are.
      At the end of the 10 min video you shake you head in bewilderment. How are the people accepting Mitt as the GOP chosen one? I fully understand the Bankers chose him, just as they chose Obama in 08. I don’t wonder why on that one. To me, there is no dif. between these 2 except a (D) and a (R) at the end of their name. Give me freakin Newt instead of Mitt for all I care.

  19. saltycracker says:

    I say this to you brothers and sisters, the elixir to all this anger and angst will come when Romney picks a conservative running mate from the several in the anti-room (sp pun intended).

    There will be joy and happiness as Republicans everywhere will come together, united, spirited, rejuvenated, reborn. Amen.

    A bona fide ticket.

    • Calypso says:

      And who do you speculate that choice may be, salty, or am I missing an intended tongue-in-cheek tone in your post?

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