A Page From The Ron Paulers’ Playbook

April 15, 2012 22:27 pm

by Nathan · 53 comments

This was found on the floor while cleaning up after the 14th District GOP Convention on Saturday.  No doubt this outline is from one of the Ron Paulers.  I expect a similar outline will be followed at the state convention.

Jimmie April 15, 2012 at 11:33 pm

OMG The gig is up. You Sherlock Holmes you. Good job! lol

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:12 pm

The “gig” is hardly up… A Ron Paul delegate was elected from the floor.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 1:21 pm

No, they were not. An alternate who won’t be voting for the gop nominee was elected.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 1:23 pm

And that name wasn’t on this list so I’m not sure what he thinks.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:37 pm

I know what he thinks, and I’m certain there’s a strategy in place to suppress non-establishment alternates from moving up.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 1:55 pm

You are correct. The name of that strategy is called delegates attending.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:00 pm

Exactly, as it should be. Which is why this posting is really a non issue regardless of who you support.

CobbGOPer April 16, 2012 at 2:15 pm

Doug’s role in the state GOP is ‘suppression of un-sanctioned positions’ so these kinds of things set off his radar.

Jimmie April 16, 2012 at 2:20 pm

True. A sheep that seems to be straying.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:32 pm

I tell you what is sad… when the party founded on liberty has an entire faction of individuals that feel, and rightfully so, that it is in their best interest to be secretive for fear of being oppressed by the establishment. Let’s be honest… if RP supporters were open and honest about their position they would end up with nothing at all.

Jimmie April 16, 2012 at 2:18 pm

This was sarcasm. I find it funny when they get their panties all up in a bunch when they think they find inside information from a group other than their own. Every faction inside every political group has a plan of some kind. If not, then they have no chance of survival in this corrupt environment.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm

Exactly.

stillaskeptic April 16, 2012 at 2:33 am

I really hope this is a joke…

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:12 pm

The “joke” is that every campaign doesn’t have such a strategy in place.

Jimmie April 16, 2012 at 1:15 pm

Is it illegal to talk with like minded people and form a plan as long as no laws are to broken? Don’t think so.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:35 pm

Agreed.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 3:22 am

For what it’s worth, one of the people making nominations to this slate made the allegation that that someone threatened her life and she wanted a guest from the bleachers to be allowed to the floor to sit with her because he had a concealed carry permit and was packing. I told her non delegates were not allowed on the floor and she could sit with the guests. I turned the matter over to a sergeant at arms. My sheriff was serving as one. The last time I saw her, she looked to be chatting with a Dalton police officer.

I doubt there was any proof of the threat, but if there was, it‘s illegal.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:11 pm

There is/was proof, and charges are pending. Besides that incident (which was really surprising), it was a rather civil convention.

debbie0040 April 16, 2012 at 6:06 am

They had a slate to let people know who to vote for and that is nothing new. I have used the same tactics and many others have used that as well at other conventions. Instead of buttons, I have used straw hats, had certain people I told them to watch in each area It was smart of them to do that.. These tactica have been used by others for years

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:25 pm

Exactly. If smart is frowned upon, then the future of the party can’t be great.

seenbetrdayz April 16, 2012 at 3:27 pm

Well, thanks debbie0040. You and I don’t see eye to eye but at least you don’t seem to be wagging fingers over this.

This isn’t so much of a ‘smoking gun’ as it is something that is typical of politics. I wish more people could be honest with who/what they support, but in politics, I suppose you have to be careful not to back up into someone else’s knife.

CMOB April 16, 2012 at 6:46 am

This would have never happened at the 13th District convention. Sahar Hekmati and her Brown Shirts threw out delegates who had “unauthorized literature” before they even made it inside to register.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:23 pm

Strip searches by the TSA at the door? Sounds like a liberty minded district.

bravesfan76 April 16, 2012 at 9:49 am

The individual who was allegedly threatened was Beth Hughes. She posted about it all over Facebook. Threats of violence are unacceptable if, indeed, such a threat was made. That being said, this is one “victim” who seems to be loving every minute of the drama. According to her profile, she considers herself a victim of domestic terrorism. Hughes and her troop of RP’ers spent the entire nominating process twittering around in the back of the convention floor and checking names off the list one by one. Interestingly, two of the people they nominated (Perry and Heidi) both declined the nomination. Makes one wonder…were they asked to be nominees ahead of time? Did they decline once they realized they didn’t want to be part of the drama? For anyone who was at the 14th district convention, seeing this list makes sense out of the drama that a handful of delegates attempted to play out.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:24 pm

Since when was politics not dramatic? It really wasn’t that wild of a scene. Rather tame if you ask me.

bravesfan76 April 16, 2012 at 4:49 pm

No one is asking you. Wild and tame are subjective terms. I’ve been to conventions where not a single dramatic thing happened, not even so much as a ruffled feather. I’ve been to conventions where no one verbally sparred with the chairman and there were no threats of turning off microphones. So no, politics doesn’t always have to be dramatic.

If this plan/strategy/whatever is par for the course, as you seem to believe, then why not just laugh off the “outrage”? Why do you feel the need to comment on every other comment that’s been made? Just let it go; that would show that you don’t think their plan was anything remarkable.

eowyn April 18, 2012 at 8:57 am

You mean conventions where all opinions were respected and all political candidates’ workers were consulted beforehand? This isn’t happening in 2012, there is no respect for Ron Paul or his people coming from the GOP. Were they consulted perhaps things would have run smoother.

eowyn April 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm

What a bunch of libel. You violate rights of the victim of a crime by identifying her; and I challenge you to find public proof of what you say about the victim. You have no idea what people were texting about. Isn’t it reasonable that the victim could have been consulting her family or her lawyer daughter about this matter? You have no idea!

Heidi and Perry had their reasons for declining that were not apparent until after the convention began and are none of your business. Yes they were asked in advance. And just to clarify that list was not ‘left on the floor’ but stolen out of the victim’s ‘playbook’ which she had to abandon for a while to get away from the aggressor. Smooth.

I’m sure Tom Saltino (if you are going to ID the victim I will ID the aggressor) was advised not to contact the victim by the police and his lawyer. Thus apologies are impossible. How does one apologize for making another person fearful anyway?

eowyn April 18, 2012 at 8:54 am

Twittering around in the back? That is where the microphone was, the only choice anyone that wanted to speak from the floor had! Of couse they talked to each other and because they were sitting by counties but have unity and organization across county lines they needed to consult with each other…what is your point?!

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 10:57 am

The threat allegations are founded. Charges are pending. The threat was made near a large group of people and statements were taken. The suspect is a county vice chair and never denied the statement itself, but tried to convince police that it was a “joke.” Though I couldn’t hear the actual threat, I was nearby and did hear a bystander say (paraphrased) “that sounds like a terroristic threat,” to which the suspect replied “it probably was, (or ‘maybe it was’)” and walked away. Unacceptable.

Nathan April 16, 2012 at 12:40 pm

It wasn’t a smart thing to say, but I believe it was more out of frustration than an actual threat against Ms. Hughes’ life. Perhaps the person who made the statement should apologize and Ms. Hughes accept it so we can get on with our lives. Let’s be reasonable and not throw people in jail (not that anyone was, mind you) just because they say something because they’re frustrated. If the person acted upon the statement, then there’s a case, but otherwise, let it go and move on.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:09 pm

Well a threat is illegal, and unbecoming for a GOP official. I’d like to see him (I know his name btw, but don’t feel compelled to share it on this forum) resign from his position AND apologize. The rest of the convention was within the rules and tempers weren’t really high at all. It was a rather civil affair all in all.

CobbGOPer April 16, 2012 at 2:19 pm

Well it was Doug Grammar’s district, so you should call on him to ask the official in question to take a hike. Let’s see where his principles stand.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:27 pm

He’s part of the posting in here. If he wants to know the name of the person in question he can read it in the paper as soon as the RN-T get a copy of the police report. I’m sure they’re drooling as we speak to get a negative story about the GOP.. which is why actions like this Floyd GOP official can’t be tolerated.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 2:29 pm

I will agree that a terroristic threat is against the law and prosecutable. I am fairly consistent that I will assume someone is innocent until proven guilty. Show me some proof.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:34 pm

If you’re asking for a video then you won’t get it, but you can get police statements from law-abiding citizens who are dues paying members of the GOP.. as well as the party in question admitting that the statements were in fact stated.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 2:35 pm

A newspaper story or an allegation is not proof. Show me 5 or 6 eye witnesses, and it would help if I knew them, and I might get involved. People seem very preoccupied with what my role within the gop is these days. I am not the gop police, but I want the gop to follow its own rules.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 2:38 pm

I’m not going to track this down but if you want to send me information , I will look at it.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:45 pm

There will be 5-6 people in the report documented by the police in Whitfield County. If that’s not enough, then God help you. I understand that you don’t want to believe.. also, I just informed you that the man himself admitted to what was said, but then claimed it was a “joke.” And if you believe him, the God help you there as well.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 2:52 pm

Send me the info. I’m done discussing this without it. If you are concerned that I step in, do something other than blog about it. If it is not that important to you, I will let the wheels of justice turn without my help.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:57 pm

I’m just filling in the gaps. I wasn’t who suggested you step in. Why don’t you contact the victim via facebook etc.? It might be a good proactive move, which is a good leadership trait.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 3:14 pm

She told me of a problem and I told her how to properly address it. The gop supports individual responsibility and accountability. Hold the person who may have made the threat accountable, but I don’t have time to solve every gop problem ….as much as I may want to.

Doug Grammer April 17, 2012 at 5:18 pm

Someone….(not XStatesRights) sent me an e-mail and told me what they think was said to Beth Hughes. Actually, I was told that nothing was said to Beth Hughes, but someone was talking about Beth Hughes. If accurate, that does not meet the standard of terroristic threat. Feel free to chime in if you feel (or think you know) otherwise.

If this is accurate, it goes right in with what I was thinking when I heard about it from her. Someone is trying to take a molehill and blow it up into a mountian….much like what was attempted and failed with Ron Paul’s campaign.

eowyn April 17, 2012 at 11:29 pm

Lets be perfectly clear before consulting you Mr. Grammer the victim confronted the agressor and gave him the opportunity to set the record straight but all he said was it was a joke. Hmmmm How many times do you hear someone over the age of 18 say “if I had a gun I’d kill that bitch” ? And then say it was a joke? Would you buy that? Would you feel like the agressor realized he made a mistake and was trying to cover it up rather than being the bigger person and appologizing on the spot? If someone said that to you how would it make you feel?

eowyn April 17, 2012 at 11:47 pm

It was said as she walked passed to a group. She confronted the agressor giving him the opportunity to appologize but he just said it was a joke…to the victim…he did not deny it and in fact admitted it to the police.

Doug Grammer April 22, 2012 at 10:23 am

Just going through the thread and saw a reply. Once again, talking about someone doesn’t rise to the charge of terroristic threat.

As far as how I would feel if I were in Beth’s position, heck, I’m being threatened right now. I have someone supporting a candidate that I don’t care for making noise that I am ignoring right now.

I’ve been in politics for more than two weeks. My skin is much thicker.

Doug Grammer April 16, 2012 at 3:36 pm

So you think he actually intended/intends to kill her? If so, let’s get a restraining order and maybe some protective services.

Doug Grammer April 17, 2012 at 5:19 pm

Your silence speaks loudly.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 11:12 am

p.s… playbook for a political convention!? Oh the outrage! Get real people, this is standard operating procedure, and if it’s not, then your campaign isn’t well organized.

Nathan April 16, 2012 at 12:43 pm

Had the district party had a playbook that was distributed to its members, would the Ron Paulers be outraged? I’m neither shocked nor surprised that they were organized going into the convention. We were told to be prepared and I believe we were.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 2:01 pm

If you think there wasn’t a district plan, as well as prepared alternate caucus slates at the county level then you’re kidding yourself. It’s politics, not 3 year old t-ball.

XStatesRights April 16, 2012 at 1:06 pm

A playbook is smart for anyone. If two football coaches showed up on Saturday without one it’d be a sloppy game. I think the more surprising thing seems to be that a playbook is so surprising to others.

registrar April 17, 2012 at 11:18 am

I sat in several meetings, both public and private, where Sue Everhart said very clearly, “We are going to make sure not one single Ron Paul supporter makes it as a delegate or alternate to the Republican National Convention!”

Whoops…

I’d be interested in knowing how well the Paul supporters did across the State. They turned up in force in my District, and got half the slate. I heard another District where they got 4/6.

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