Nah, There’s No Reason To Show An ID When You Vote

The debate over voter ID is flaring up again. South Carolina Congresssman James Clyburn, never one to miss an opportunity to make an inflammatory statement, is very, very, concerned about a new law in his State.

Representative James Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress, said he was more upset about the trend of toughening up the voting laws than he was when he was jailed for civil rights protests in South Carolina in the 1960s.

“I cannot remember – even (when) sitting in an Orangeburg county jail – when I had as much anxiety as I’m experiencing today,” Clyburn told reporters, referring to the jail where he was detained in 1960 after protesting school segregation.

Oh my.

Of course, we here in Georgia are familiar with this fight. Georgia enacted a voter ID law in 2006. It has survived court challenges and hasn’t disenfranchised anybody.

Voter ID laws do not result in fewer African-American voters, (SC AG Alan Wilson) said, citing the experience of Georgia, which enacted a voter photo ID law in 2006. Black participation in that state’s November elections increased afterward – to 741,000 in 2010 from 513,700 in 2006, Wilson said.

Also, in 2008 there were 1.2 million African-Americans who voted in Georgia.

Of course many will say there is no need for such laws. Our nation’s top cop Eric Holder says there is no problem with in person voter fraud. However, the infamous James O’Keefe shows just how easy it is to obtain a ballot improperly when not required to show a photo ID by asking for and being offered Eric Holder’s own ballot.

32 comments

      • elfiii says:

        “ditto: showing how easy it is to break the law isn’t the same as an epidemic of law breaking.”

        One must produce a photo id to do just about anything in this country. That is because fraud is rampant in all parts of our society. To say that is the case everywhere except at the polling place is laughable.

        I can understand the objection from a libertarian position but this is one case I don’t mind proving who I am. Nobody else should either.

  1. Eric Holder is right. People don’t lie. Ever. Just ask Governor Deal, Don Balfour, and John Oxendine. There’s always a reasonable explanation for everything. Nobody would ever go to a polling station and say they are someone they are not.

  2. sunkawakan says:

    Why wasn’t O’Keefe arrested when he attempted to commit this fraud? Isn’t he on probation?

    Buzz, do you support criminal acts to prove a point?

    • TheEiger says:

      What criminal acts? All he said was do you have a Eric Holder on the list? He didn’t say “I’m Eric Holder.”. Whether you like it or not, there is a difference.

      • sunkawakan says:

        I realize that there is a difference. Given this convicted criminal’s penchant for selective video editing, why do you believe anything that he and his minions spew forth to the public?

  3. sunkawakan says:

    I will contact the GA Attorney General and ask for an opinion as to whether it’s “AOK” to ask if someone else’s name is on the voter list.

    • Andre says:

      Really?

      You need an opinion from the Attorney General to tell you it is “AOK” to ask if someone else’s name is on the voter list? Really?

      Have you ever heard of the voter file? Have you ever heard of public record?

      It is completely legal to ask if someone else’s name is on the voter list. It is also legal to ask how many times someone has voted, which party primary they voted in, and whether they voted in person or absentee.

      • sunkawakan says:

        Andre,

        Drop the all-knowing, arrogant attitude with me. I do know that there are various tools available to review even your voting history.

        However, I question the approach taken in the video provided by Buzz, and whether it is appropriate and legal at a polling place to do what was done. And as I mentioned in another post, given the creative editing that’s been done in most of these “hit pieces,” there is too much that remains unknown.

  4. cheapseats says:

    OK, this is just a baby-step, feel-good, red-meat-to-the-base measure to BEGIN addressing possible voter fraud. If you want to prove you are serious about this, you have to go after the absentee voters – that’s where the fraud is really happening.

    Dead people don’t show up to vote in person – they request an absentee ballot and vote from “home”.

    I’m not against Voter ID in person – I think that’s fine. I’m appalled at the disingenuous sham that these folks have passed off as “making our voting safe from fraud” – not even close!

  5. zedsmith says:

    I wouldn’t bristle at this slice of red meat so much if there was a coincidental measure taken to make sure the people who are most likely to be adversely affected by this rule were able to easily get a picture ID.

    It seems like everything about how we vote in Georgia is designed to suppress voter turnout— a phenomenon that is widely agreed upon as benefiting republicans (no holiday for elections, voter ID laws, no vote for felons, ne election day registration, purging voter rolls, shortening early voting)

    In an ideal world, our representatives would be banging their heads together trying to figure out a framework whereby everybody would vote, and everybody would be politically engaged. The vote-by-mail system in Oregon and Washington seems at once both horribly out-dated, yet blindingly forward-thinking compared to how we do things here.

    • Harry says:

      “figure out a framework whereby everybody would vote”

      figure out a framework whereby everybody who is eligible would vote

        • John Vestal says:

          But that brings us back to the requirement of determination of eligibility, which the left thinks is some fascist plot to disenfranchise voters (the ineligible ones, that is, which they apparently see as a big part of their base).

    • c_murrayiii says:

      So early voting (almost a month in advance in some places) is designed to suppress turnout? The fact is, no one has an excuse not to vote except out of ignorance. If you are disabled, you get an absentee. If you have to work, go vote early. You can register to vote at libraries, post offices, the DMV. You have no legitimate excuse. If you can’t put a little forethought into it, you probably aren’t informed enough to make a decision and shouldn’t vote period. We don’t need more voting in this country, we need smarter voting.

  6. I can’t really speak to what’s going on in other states, but one reason Georgia’s law hasn’t disenfranchised anyone is because of the people on the other side of the Republican position who campaigned long and hard from the legislature to the courts for counter measures to make sure it didn’t happen. I believe Georgia had multiple lawsuits that ultimately produced a consensus in the state that while requiring an ID was important, it was also important for the state to make it as easy as possible for those few people who don’t have an ID to get one.

    Now Buzz, if I may – why is it OK for Georgia to mandate that you have an ID if you want to vote, but not mandate that you have health insurance if you want to use a hospital? Put another way – if you refuse to get an ID in Georgia we can actually deny you the ballot – but if you refuse to buy health insurance, an emergency room can’t turn you away. Things that make you go hmmmm.

    • You can obtain an official Georgia identification card for free if you don’t have or don’t want a drivers license. ID at the polling place is simply a security measure to make sure what happens in that video doesn’t happen here.

      The health insurance mandate is forcing you to purchase a product, a product with specifications mandated by the federal government. Unlike car insurance, there is no escape. You will buy it or face a fine.

      • Dave Bearse says:

        Wrong. The official Georgia identification card is not free. Fifth sentence on the DDS webpage “Applying for a Georgia ID Card”: “The cost of the Identification Card is $20.00 for 5 years or $32 for a card valid 8 years.” I didn’t read any farther, though I expect the ID card is free for those that will swear they’re in poverty.

        You may be unaware that getting a Georgia ID card would have been a chore for many Georgians under the initial GOP plan. There wasn’t even an office to obatin a card in over a third of Georgia Counties until litigation or threat thereof forced changes.

        Can you provide the number of cases of ballot fraud in the few years preceding Georgia’s photo ID law? There very likely were fewer allegations of fraudulant votes statewide than the number of your fingers andt toes (let alone proven ballot fraud). The number of cases of absentee ballot fraud since that same supposed ballot security measure loosensed restrictions on absentee ballots? 1,500+ in Brooks County in one election alone.

        Never let actual objective numbers get in the way of red-meat spin. The Georgia ID law in significant measure was motivatede by partisan politics.

        • Engineer says:

          Wow, you can’t even read the first thing on that page you refer to.
          ( You refer to this page: http://www.dds.ga.gov/drivers/dldata.aspx?con=1747740603&ty=dl )

          “Click here for more information on the Georgia Identification Card for Voting Purposes”
          when clicked, it takes you here:

          http://www.dds.ga.gov/drivers/dldata.aspx?con=1749371755&ty=dl

          Then it reads….

          “Georgia law provides for the issuance of a free identification card to citizens eighteen (18) and over who are registered voters. In order to be eligible for a free identification card, the voter must have no acceptable proof of identity to use when voting. These free identification cards are issued at all Customer Service Centers and are valid for ten (10) years.”

          It goes on to explain how to get the free ID.

          Btw, here is the link to the form for the free ID.
          http://www.dds.ga.gov/docs/forms/DDS-579.pdf

          • jm says:

            So only poor people with Internet access will be able to click on the links to find out where to get their free ID. Nice one.

            • Engineer says:

              I guess you have never heard of a library? Beyond that, you can pick up the same information at the DDS. Try again.

        • jm says:

          “I didn’t read any farther, though I expect the ID card is free for those that will swear they’re in poverty.”

          But to prove that they are in poverty they’ll need to show their EBT card (modern-day food stamps) and three forms of government issued photo ID…

          • Doug Grammer says:

            They don’t have to prove that they are in poverty. They just have to say that they prefer not to pay.

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