Gwinnett Issues RFP For Briscoe Field

Gwinnett County Board of Commissioners has issued a Request For Proposal for “A Public-Private Partnership for the Lease, Operation and Improvement of Gwinnett County Airport-Briscoe Field.”

According to the Gwinnett Daily Post:

The news was a blow to local residents concerned about the noise and traffic that could come with an airport expansion and a blessing to those hoping passenger service could bring economic success.

“We’re just disappointed that the county went forward with the (request for proposals),” said Rick Schneider of Citizens for Better Gwinnett.

Not everyone is disappointed though…

Paula Hastings, a Lawrenceville woman who favors studying the commercial option, said it was about time the request for proposals was issued.

#“Fly Gwinnett Forward is committed to exploring the facts as it relates to privatization, scheduled service, and it’s potential,” Hastings said, submitting a statement for the pro-commercialization group. “From these facts, we believe that all citizens in Gwinnett can benefit from this opportunity and we are excited and encouraged that the RFP has been released so we may all learn more regarding those facts. We applaud the commissioners who saw the need to move forward.”

Should Gwinnett seek proposals? Should Briscoe be privatized allowing commercial flights, privatized as a general aviation airport or kept as a government run airport? Discuss.


  1. Max Power says:

    There’s nothing wrong with contracting out the operation of the airport, so long as the county retains ownership. But once again Briscoe is simply not suited to commercial traffic it’s runway is too short, it only has ILS on one runway and it’s out in the middle of nowhere.

    • This is incorrect Max. The extension of 500 of runway would bring it to 6500 feet, which by all standards is long enough for 737s. The extension would be paid for by a private business, not by Gwinnett County.

      The airport is actually extremely well suited for scheduled commercial service and, in studies by independent analysts, would have a 2.5 million share market of people to draw from. It would be quicker for residents of Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Roswell, Alpharetta, Cumming, and more, get to the gate at Briscoe than it would be to get to the gate at Hartsfield.

      • Max Power says:

        I hate to turn this into a Cobb vs Gwinnett debate (again) but Dobbins is far better suited for commercial traffic than Briscoe. You can land any plane in the world there and it’s got much better access to a major interstate. And it would be far quicker for folks from Sandy Springs, Dunwoody, Roswell, Alpharetta, Cumming, etc, to get to.

        • Max Power says:

          That being said, given the trend of fuel prices and the decline of short-haul air service I would be cautious before I opened a second airport in the metro area. It seems clear that over the long term short haul service will be replaced by rail and the airlines will concentrate more on longer more profitable flights.

          • A private business with $100 million in cash on the table (no loans), backed by investment funds with billions of dollars under management, disagrees with your opinion.

            Atlanta, one of America’s largest cities and *the* largest city in America without a second airport, is a highly desirable location for a second, community-sized airport. The airlines are actually quite interested in servicing this location. The smart thing to do for any airline will be to get there first, including Delta.

            This can be a premium airport, servicing a market of 2.5 million people. It will specialize in direct travel to New York, Miami, Denver, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, and similar cities.

        • Max,commercial service is not possible at Dobbins. Commercial service is prohibited by federal law. It would literally take an act of Congress.

          No, the reality is that Gwinnett is a great location. There is enough land to extend the runway within the confines of the airport property, and it’s already available without acts of Congress. Gwinnett has already applied for, and received, one of the five FAA waivers that allow privatization of an airport (there are only five slots available, and four of them are already taken by applicants.

          Gwinnett also has a private business which is openly saying they’d pay for the whole thing. Cobb does not. There’s no question that given these facts, Gwinnett is an excellent place for privatizing and allowing commercial service.

          • Charlie says:

            Isn’t the program that allows the possible privitization of Briscoe also literally an act of Congress?

            And I believe there are also quite a few joint army or air reserve bases that also serve double duty as commercial airports. Meridian Mississippi comes to mind.

            Given the importance of Hartsfield Jackson to the national airline grid, my guess is that any change in the area’s commercial service will require active cooperation of the city, state, and federal government. Ruling out Dobbins just because Propeller Inc has a proposal on the table doesn’t mean that Briscoe is the best alternative for relief at Hartsfield.

            • The program that made privatization possible was passed in the 1970s. It is already on the books. There are no plans, nor interest, in making Dobbins into a commercial airport. If it were available, Brett Smith (Propeller’s CEO) told me he’d absolutely be interested there, too. But that unless the law is changed to allow Dobbins to have commercial service, it’s not an option. If Congress wanted to get that changed, great. Please get them to do it.

      • troutbum70 says:

        Ohhh sorry about this but it would not be quicker for residents of Alpharetta to reach Briscoe Field than Hartsfield. If you do a basic google map, it is actually quicker for residents in Alpharetta to go to Hartsfield. As for residents in Cumming, I think the difference was 5 to 7 minutes closer to Briscoe than Hartsfield. So the quicker to Briscoe than Hartsfield argument is a weak one at best. If I can shoot down 400 and pick up the expressway, I’m more likely to do that than to try to fight numerous red lights in reaching Briscoe.

        • Calypso says:

          But the real time savings for you would be once you get to the airport. Parking, ticket counters, getting through security, 10 gates at Briscoe v. Hartsfield.

        • Troutbum, Calypso is right. The time from Alpharetta to Briscoe is 30 minutes. It’s actually substantially longer than that to Hartsfield in the real-world because of the traffic on 400, 285, and the congestion downtown. Check this out:

          #1 To Hartsfield from Alpharetta
          Alpharetta to Hartsfield: (45 minutes is normal)
          Go to the van lot (common), wait for van & drive over (15 minutes), OR park & walk (12 min)
          Enter Hartsfield, go through Security (20 minutes);
          Massive escalators & Subway (7 minutes)
          Walk to gate (3-4 minutes, and total exhaustion for many people)


          Option #2 Briscoe/Lawrenceville from Alpharetta (35 min, Old Milton & Pleas Hill, 316)
          Valet park (Briscoe to have valet parking) 0 minutes
          Security: Briscoe to have five minute security guarantee
          Walk to gate (2 minutes, it’s only ten gates that are proposed).


          The Briscoe plan that I’ve read (it’s available here: under “The Briscoe Difference, lower left button) calls for a 5 minute security gate guarantee (remember, a private company can do this since its’ goal is consumer happiness and convenience, something you won’t get at government airports); free wireless, one-on-one concierge services for business travelers, valet parking as well as text-to-pick up-car at landing, free one-day early bag drop off (which would be huge for families with children), etc

            • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

              If Briscoe gets scheduled service it’ll likely relatively quickly grow beyond being limited as Briscoe is in a much more prime location than many supporters and critics alike seem to realize.

              The growth potential of being right off of Hwy 316, a road that is slated to be upgraded to a freeway between Lawrenceville and Athens, in what appears to be an up-and-coming commercial industrial area adjacent to the Gwinnett Progress Center in the heavily-populated I-85 Northeast Metro Corridor is very explosive.

    • Brett Smith says:

      Good Evening Max,

      I wanted to comment on some of the points you raise although at this late hour I wont be able to get through as much as I would like to but I will make an attempt at a few. First, you mention that Briscoe is not suited for limited commercial service. I can certainly understand why some people would think this especially given the local frame of reference: Hartsfield-Jackson. However, there are many airports that are of similar size that work well like John Wayne / Orange County which has only one ILS approach and a smaller runway than what Briscoe has today at 5,701 feet. Other airports with shorter runways include: Chicago Midway: 6,522, Santa Barbara: 6,052 with one ILS, White Plains: 6,548…. I would not be concerned about runway length especially since airlines have guidelines that they have to meet for insurance purposes, not to mention FAA oversight . Second, even though it may appear to be in the middle of nowhere keep in mind that over 800,000 people live in Gwinnett County which is a very respectable number, if you take into account the surrounding area the number grows significantly. In regard to retaining ownership there is nothing wrong with that at all. There are a number of ways to accomplish this successfully and it really depends on how the County would want to structure it if indeed they ultimately decide to move forward. More to follow….

    • Max Power says:

      I think at MTOW Southwest’s 737s would need more than Briscoe’s 6000 feet of runway during the summer.

      • The proposal by Propeller Investments calls for Propeller to expand the airport to 6500 feet. It is part of their plan, and has been discussed 1000 times. It will be plenty long enough for a 737 size plane. And 737s are quieter than what already flies out of there: Gulfstream.

        Read up on the project and general proposal here:
        (I personally like the items “Q&A”, “Renderings” and “Economic Impact”).

        There are no possibilities to run the larger planes from there (like 747s) because the runway cannot support the weight of them. So 737 is the maximum size.

  2. The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

    Harry December 9, 2011 at 11:09 am

    “I’d like to see Southwest service out of Briscoe to NY (LGA or EWR), Miami, DC, and Chicago.”

    Mark Rountree December 10, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    “Atlanta, one of America’s largest cities and *the* largest city in America without a second airport, is a highly desirable location for a second, community-sized airport. The airlines are actually quite interested in servicing this location. The smart thing to do for any airline will be to get there first, including Delta……This can be a premium airport, servicing a market of 2.5 million people. It will specialize in direct travel to New York, Miami, Denver, Chicago, Dallas, Detroit, and similar cities.”

    There was actually talk of trying to make Briscoe a ‘focus airport’ (Gwinnett developer code word for “hub”) for Southwest Airlines before they bought AirTran and finally got into the Atlanta market after close to 25 years of trying.

    Otherwise, these days, any economic development initiatives centered or based in Gwinnett just naturally seem to either have ‘Shady Land Deal’ written all over them or some type of sinister, yet very profitable, underlying ulterior motive, even if that may not necessarily be the case.

  3. Last Democrat Standing: you raise a very valid point about the feelings that many residents of Gwinnett have these days.

    In fact, that’s exactly why the public deserves to have all options and proposals made public — for any private vendor on any project in the County. Demagogues against this proposal have simply knowingly lied to the public to scare voters for political benefit. These people have opposed letting ALL options and proposals get on the table. They just want to keep the public in the dark about the benefits of this proposal — solely to scare people for their own political benefit.

    The demagogues are losing the public relations debate because truth is not on their side. Former L’ville Mayor Rex Millsaps was just defeated (again), this time for city council, as he was running heavily on opposition to privatization and allowing scheduled service at the airport. And anyone running against Commissioner John Heard in 2012 would likely defeat him and the ethically tainted people who surround him.

    Let’s allow for full transparency and allow ALL options and ALL proposals on the table.

    • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

      I don’t necessarily disagree that the Atlanta Region needs a second major airport, I just don’t necessarily like Briscoe Field as the site to be that second major airport.

      It seems that Briscoe Field might be better utilized maybe as a executive-type airport for private corporate jets somewhere along the lines of a DeKalb-Peachtree Airport or maybe even a smaller regional airport somewhere along the lines of a Westchester County Airport in Upstate New York, tops.

      There just doesn’t seem to be an overwhelming amount of land surrounding the site for the type of maximum expansion that might become likely (in a much better economy, of course) for a site that could possibly become a second major airport in the Atlanta area, especially during a “growth spurt” in population and economic activity. Though I can certainly see why the location of Briscoe Field might be attractive from a real estate development standpoint, especially seeing-as-though Highway 316 is due to be upgraded to a freeway between Lawrenceville and Athens and that the expansion of Sugarloaf Parkway above 316 to the Buford area will provide access from I-85, I-985 and Northeast Georgia.

      The Briscoe Field site also just happens to be conveniently located adjacent to the CSX freight rail line that is due to be upgraded to the “Brain Train” light rail/commuter rail line and is in the midst of what seems to be an up-and-coming industrial area (Gwinnett Progress Center) along the 316 corridor. The combination of those logistical factors, in addition to its relatively much closer location to Atlanta’s heavily-populated Northern Suburbs than Hartsfield, makes the Briscoe Field site literally too good to pass up for any commercial real estate developer and/or land spectulator worth his or her salt.

      • Briscoe already IS utilized as an executive-type airport for private corporate jets.

        In fact, the Westchester County airport is *the* model for the Briscoe proposal. You are very astute in saying that Westchester should be the model. In fact, Westchester, a privatized airport, is mentioned on the Propeller website here

        In response to your point that it would be better to have more land around it, here is no plan by either the County or by Propeller expand the Briscoe airport. I’ve asked that question myself, and that’s the response I received. No one proposes to expand it, nor should it be. It’s simply suitable for a community-sized airport with ten gates.

        I’ve polled the topic for Propeller (it’s been more than two years ago) and, in that capacity, did quite a bit of research on the topic. I also personally believe that the concept of a community-sized airport with scheduled service would be a tremendous economic benefit to the county. The resulting increased property values in the area, multiple new revenue streams to the county (without raising taxes), and the “draw” for new businesses to move to Gwinnett would be a major benefit.

        Propeller says they would pay cash for the capital improvements (terminal, runway expansion, etc). So, if their business operation didn’t work and they closed, the County would simply retake the new and improved airport assets, and could convert it back to simply the general aviation airport that is there today.

        • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

          I’ve also heard Greenville-Spartanburg International Airport informally referred to as a model for what kind of commercial airport Briscoe Field could possibly become in past conversations.

          There may be no official plans to expand Briscoe into a larger commercial airport, but the very prime location in Northeast Metro Atlanta adjacent to major highways and the bulk of the region’s population will most certainly make the prospect of future expansion too good to resist.

        • troutbum70 says:

          Just to be clear; Westchester is a privately managed airport but not privately owned. The airport is still owned by the county of Westchester. And no, it’s really not feasible to compare one of the top 5 zip codes in the United States and their half million dollar homes to the ones around Briscoe Field. I seriously doubt the duplexes and townhomes on Hurricane Shoals would automatically gain in value. In fact, there is such an article that proves that airplanes and airplane noise hurt home values.

          • And just like Westchester, Gwinnett could remain owned by Gwinnett County and privately run by a private business, too.

            In reality, if you compare the Briscoe area with communities across the US which DO have airports with commercial service, there are many, many communities which have increased in property value since 2001. The Briscoe area has declined 10%. Commercial service has clearly helped increase values in those communities. Done right, Briscoe are could benefit the same.

    • troutbum70 says:

      I don’t see where the supposed “demagogues” have lied about anything? All the information that the anti expansion side has offered have been backed up by web links and actual news stories. And they are on both sides of the political spectrum. Now I realize that you are doing work for them and that’s great. That’s the American way but when you’re knocking the other side, it sounds like some typical campaign smear tactics. As for Rex Millsaps losing to P.K. Martin. Yeah he lost, but not by a very wide margin. Honestly I think John Heard will be harder to beat than you think just on the stance alone of fighting against expanded passenger service. Here’s the funny thing, Mr. Smith had 6 minutes in which he could have dazzled the crowd during the 12Stone presentation but he didn’t. He just sat there and never said a word. Also, where’s that much promised demostration of a 737 landing and taking off at Briscoe. I think that’s been promised for almost 2 years now. But let’s make it interesting, I propose not an empty 737 but one loaded down with typical weight. Heck let’s go and say 50% full and see what it’s like. If he has access to all this money and ready to spend then he can rent a plane for a day.

      • Brett Smith says:

        Hi Troutbum70,

        Unfortunately a few of the political leadership ‘anti’ side have been using out-of-date figures like noise studies done in the 1980’s and 1990’s, aviation has come a long way since then. In fact, the “noise footprint” generated from aircraft has been cut by approximately 90% since the start of the jet age in the 1950s! And we continue to advance that.

        Further, there have been outrageous claims like: living next to an airport increases the likelihood of childhood leukemia, etc. These and similar types of comments are completely irresponsible and calls into question the real motives of those who use false scare tactics like this. It’s especially unfortunate when redeveloping Briscoe could help so many people.

        As for politicians like Rex Millsaps: Mayor Millsaps was originally for the proposal to bring scheduled commercial service to the airport (and voted that way a few years ago), and even went so far as to reach out to then-Chairman Bannister to express how important this could be for Lawrenceville. A few months later Millsaps flipped his position. I ran into him and asked him why. His response was that he “needed to get re-elected and once I do I won’t oppose it,” to which I was fairly disgusted and walked away.

        Your comment about 12Stone touches a nerve as I so very much wanted to speak, however it was clear that this was an event for the community to express their opinions. I always welcome quality, respectful discussions, and have had hundreds of these on the topic with the residents across the community. This issue is too important for people not to understand what the real story and opportunity is. Please have a look at, it may give you some food for thought…..

        Brett Smith
        Managing Director
        Propeller Investments LLC

  4. The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

    In the case of potential airport expansion and the need for a second major Atlanta area airport (at least in a much better economy, anyway), I almost wish that Gwinnett County was incorporated as a city that could buy land out in the middle of nowhere, like say the existing Jackson County Airport off of I-85 outside of Jefferson in Northeast Georgia, where a potential second major airport would have the room to expand into a major passenger and freight center.

    • Last Dem: Problem with Jackson County is the actual business side: major airlines need a large enough (radius) population density nearby. That’s why Gwinnett is actually suitable from a business point of view: the 2.5 million-person actual market it would serve (people from West Cobb may use it very much, for example, but Sandy Springs, Alpharetta, Cumming, Gwinnett, Dunwoody, Buckhead, even parts of Atlanta) is well within the range of large enough.

      Freight wouldn’t work there because of plane size limitations and the fact that Hartsfield has freight locked down. Hartsfield is designed to move that sort of thing, and is a hub. A small community-sized airport built for families and business passengers taking direct flights (and cannot be a hub type airport due to small size) would not be a realistic freight airport.

      • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

        Mark, that’s my point, that Briscoe seemingly doesn’t have the space to expand into a significant freight airport.

        Though Briscoe Field (located just off of Hwy 316, 35 miles NE of Downtown Atlanta and 1-2 miles NE of Downtown Lawrenceville and hemmed by residential development on one side and industrial development on the other) does seem to have some characteristics that are somewhat similar to Ontario International Airport in the Inland Empire area east of Los Angeles (located just off I-10, 40 miles east of Downtown L.A. and inside of 2 miles east of the central business district of Ontario, CA and also hemmed in by residential and industrial/commercial development on both sides).

        Hartsfield may also have freight locked down in the Atlanta market, but is still relatively under-utilized as an air freight hub compared to other cities in the interior of the continent like Memphis (FedEx hub), Indianapolis (soon to be largest FedEx hub due to Memphis’ airport inability to further expand) and Louisville (largest UPS hub because of central location on the continent).

        Mayor Reed just recently expressed a desire to see Hartsfield increase its standing as an air freight hub, but with the focus at Hartsfield continuing to be passenger flights for the foreseeable future, a second major airport is still very much needed to increase air freight operations in the Atlanta market, despite Atlanta being the location of the corporate headquarters for UPS and being the busiest passenger airport on the planet.

  5. Charlie says:

    The above discussion seems to be going different directions on different points of interest concern. I’m going to try to break them out down here individually. First one.

    In an above answer from Mark, the question of Dobbins vs. Briscoe is raised. Mark’s answer contained this:

    “There are no plans, nor interest, in making Dobbins into a commercial airport. If it were available, Brett Smith (Propeller’s CEO) told me he’d absolutely be interested there, too.”

    There’s no interest, except that Brett Smith is absolutely interested. Which leads me to believe the debate isn’t at all where the best location for a reliever Airport for Hartsfield is, but whether, which airport can be quickly privitized.

    Aviation is too important to the region and state for this decision to be made on the fact that a loophole exists for Gwinnett that may not yet exist for another airport. Atlanta, through the city or airport, commissioned a study saying that it wasn’t needed, but if it was it would be at Dobbins. From a logistics and infrastructure standpoint, it’s location is superior. There is additional land there for expansion, and it’s close to both I-75 and I-285. You could also envision existing rail/transit plans into serving the site.

    If we’re going to have this debate, then let’s have the real one. Does Atlanta need a second airport? If we do, where is the best location for said airport, and how do we get it accomplished?

    The entire state’s economic plan revolves around us remaining a center of logistics. It is impossible to have such a key ingredient effectively decided by the whims of the Gwinnett County Commission.

    • Harry says:

      By all means get an act of congress to position Dobbins for commercial, but don’t use that excuse to stunt Briscoe. It almost seems like a Savannah port vs. Charleston port type of argument, whereas rather the traffic should go where is the demand – hopefully both locations.

      • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

        I agree, why not BOTH Dobbins and Briscoe?

        With the exception of proactive investment in Hartsfield over the years, why do we have to be so reactive when it comes to infrastructure investment?

        Why can’t we make a habit of getting ahead of the curve and being much more proactive in making infrastructure investments, especially in the parts of our economy where we would like to see more growth? After careful consideration, of course.

    • When I stated “there’s no interest” it was referring to the fact that he’d be interested in Dobbins, but he’s not interested in chasing Snipe hunts, either. Dobbins would have too many moving parts to make happen that are beyond the ability to reasonably get done. The US Senate couldn’t pass a resolution these days authorizing a resolution loving our mothers, much less anything substantive. Propeller has to propose their plans to places where they can reasonably potentially happen. That’s reasonable of them.

      The privatization process with the FAA is not a loophole, either. It is conducted under an FAA program that anyone could apply for. Gwinnett did it last year. If the FAA concludes that the applicant is serious, viable, and wants to get it done, anyone can apply and potentially be approved.

      Of the existing facilities where a second community airport could happen, Gwinnett makes great sense.

  6. Charlie says:

    Second issue: Freight at the new airport.

    Why? Seriously, why?

    Hartsfield Jackson is the freight airport for the region. It has 5 runways and a 6th under discussion. It is the airport that links every point in the world daily. It has the massive land complex that surrounds it, the extensive hangar and shipping facilities that are required to support increased cargo.

    Any reliever airport would not need to re-create such infrastructure, and attempting to do so would be unnecessarily duplicative and significantly less efficient than any freight operation conducted out of Hartsfield. The reliever airport is about getting local passengers to and from their flights quicker and easier. It would serve a narrower band of markets that would not be as attractive to freight shippers that can be served mostly nonstop from Hartsfield.

    Hartsfield has a lot of room to enhance its cargo standing, and all stakeholders are actively working to improve our share.

    Attempting to inject freight into the discussion of the second airport is obfuscation or folly.

    • Agreed. Briscoe would not work as a good place for freight. The runway is not long enough for significant freight, and there is already outstanding internal infrastructure at the Atlanta Hartsfield Jackson airport for that. At a ten-gate airport with limited land, it just isn’t a good model for freight.

    • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

      There are no underlying sinister or ulterior motives by discussing the role that freight would play at a second major Atlanta area airport seeing as though Atlanta is home to the corporate headquarters of UPS, a perennially coveted target of FedEx for further expansion and is an all-around very major logistical and transportation hub.

      Currently UPS’ worldwide freight hub (Worldport) is located in Louisville, Kentucky, a very much centrally-located, yet much smaller metro area of only 1.3 million. Despite being the world’s busiest airport in terms of passenger traffic, Hartsfield isn’t even a top-30 airport internationally in terms of freight traffic.

      Because of the very explosive population and economic growth over the last four decades in what has grown into a much larger market of just under six million in the Atlanta Region and because of Atlanta’s very prime location in relation to the Southeast and the Eastern Seaboard, one would naturally assume that both shipping giants UPS and FedEx would absolutely jump at the chance to significantly expand their freight operations in Georgia if presented with a legitimate opportunity.

        • analogkid says:

          Per wikipedia:

          “Dobbins ARB has two runways which it shares with Naval Air Station Atlanta (NAS Atlanta) to its south. 11-29 is the primary runway and it is 10,000 feet (3,000 m) long and 300 feet (91 m) wide with directions 110 and 290. The second runway, called an “assault strip”, is a 3500×60-foot (1067×18-meter) runway referred to as 110-290, which is parallel to 11-29.”

          • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

            10,000 feet is longer than three of the five runways at Hartsfield.

            10,000 feet is also equal to the length of a fourth runway at Hartsfield so needless to say, Dobbins is very much capable of handling jumbo jets.

  7. saltycracker says:

    Convienence for passenger travel is key. Interstate, parking, light rail, check-in.

    Seriously doubt those familar with the east/west travel grind from North Fulton or Forsyth would think Briscoe so accessible. Mark’s time study…..ehhhh…….

    Dobbins while not so great from that area either does have I75 connectivity & doable potential for light rail.

    • The Last Democrat in Georgia says:

      Agreed. The network of surface streets connecting North Fulton and Forsyth with Briscoe Field can be very challenging to navigate during rush hour even with ongoing upgrades.

      But just like Dobbins has I-75 connectivity, the Briscoe Field site has connectivity to Atlanta and Northeast Georgia via I-85 and Hwy 316, which runs directly past the site and is slated to be upgraded to a freeway between Lawrenceville and Athens.

      And just like Dobbins, Briscoe Field also has potential for future light rail and commuter rail connections with the proposed “Brain Train” commuter rail/light rail line running directly along the southern edge of airport property.

    • Salty, my office is in Alpharetta. I drive the commute to Lawrenceville once every two weeks.

      It’s accurate.

      In fact, the time difference is so substantial between the two options (going from Alpharetta to either Briscoe or Hartsfield) that if I’m off by a massive 30 minutes (…which I’m not), it’s STILL quicker to the gate at Briscoe.

      In fact, from the **capitol** it’s still closer to get to a gate at Briscoe! The problem for Atlanta-based travelers is that Hartsfield is time consuming to get around in due to the size, infrastructure and sheer numbers of people. It’s a GREAT airport, but is not as well designed for locals to use.

      Why is this important? Because it means that it’s going to be a very convenient travel location for people who live in metro-Atlanta.

      Drive to Briscoe (34 miles, all highway): 45 minutes (realistically it’s 40 minutes)
      Valet park = 0 minutes
      Security gate = 5 minutes
      Walk to gate = 2 minutes (it’s just a ten-gate airport, easy walk)

      Drive to Hartsfield = 15 minutes
      Van Lot Parking = 15 minutes to get van, drive to terminal, OR 12 minutes if you self-park
      Security = 15 / 20 minutes
      Subway and Escalators = 7 minutes
      Walk to gate = 4 minutes

      • By the way, I left off a relevant piece of info above. The two numbers I just gave were comparing

        •estimated time to a gate at Briscoe from the State Capitol, and/or
        •estimated time to a generic gate in Hartsfield from the State Capitol (53 minutes)

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