Cain Leads Georgia In New Poll

October 5, 2011 9:27 am

by Buzz Brockway · 45 comments

Herman Cain’s surge toward the top tier of the GOP Presidential race continues with a new WSB/Insider Advatage poll showing him with a large lead here in Georgia.

Herman Cain 41%
Newt Gingrich 17%
Mitt Romney 10%
Rick Perry 9%
Ron Paul 5%
M. Bachmann 1%
John Huntsman 1%
Other 4%
No opinion 12%

Cain also leads in North Carolina, Nebraska, and West Virginia per Kyle Wingfield. Meanwhile, the Real Clear Politics average currently puts Cain in 3rd place nationally.

I should also point out that these 4 new State polls show Newt Gingrich in second place in GA, NC, NE, and WV.

Will the GOP 2012 Presidential Nominee be a Georgian? Discuss.

Charlie October 5, 2011 at 9:29 am

Governor John Oxendine approves of this poll.

David Staples October 5, 2011 at 10:09 am

:-D

David Staples October 6, 2011 at 7:14 pm

I guess you noticed I stole your line to use on McKoon’s Facebook post. Probably should have written a citation there as well to attribute it to the correct source, but couldn’t think of where exactly I’d seen it. :-)

Engineer October 5, 2011 at 9:34 am

Technically, Cain was born in Tennessee, but we’ll take him anyways. :)

STEVETARVIN October 5, 2011 at 5:40 pm

Technically, Gingrich was born in Pennsylvania and is now a Virginian.

Calypso October 5, 2011 at 10:34 am

Buzz, you better correct the spelling of Mr. Cain’s first name or he won’t be appointing you to his cabinet. Ms. Bachmann’s last name too, though you won’t have to be concerned about an appointment from her (Herman either, I was just kidding).

Buzz Brockway October 5, 2011 at 1:11 pm

LOL. I cut and pasted the names and numbers directly from the WSB website. Follow the link in the post to see what I mean. As I type (1:10 pm) the incorrect spellings are still there.

I’ll fix them in my post. Thanks for actually reading it. :)

KD_fiscal conservative October 5, 2011 at 11:27 am

I like Cains proposal of completely eliminating deductions and loophole and flattening out the tax code, and clearly his rise in popularity is a direct result of it.

The problem with Cain is he is simply not polished and thoughtful during statements and interviews. He isn’t acting like someone who is serious about being the next POTUS. There are many examples of his foolish reactionary statements from beginning his campaign with the anti-Muslims remarks, to claiming he is for only “3 paged bills” and saying he wouldn’t support Perry if he won the nomination, and most recently, making the bold assertion that Perry is essentially a racist. Mr. Cain is his own worst enemy, and he shows no desire to change his talk-show reactionary ways.

Another major flaw is he is not consistent on his positions. For example he first took the Ron Paul-like position against the Obama admin. trying to kill US born terrorists a few weeks ago, but then praised the killing al-Awlaki. He was also for TARP and auditing the Fed before being against it. Recently, he directly linked Perry with the n-word, back tracked his statement on the Hannity, but then made the same assertion on “The View.”

When the other candidates start hammering him on these positions, as well as his tax proposal being a “tax increase on the poor and middle class” much like what Romney said about the FairTax, all but the most loyal conservatives will flee from the Cain Train in droves.

To compound his problems, he may or may not even be serious about running for president to begin with considering while the other candidates are campaigning hard and fund-raising in key early primary states, Mr. Cain, ever the business-man, decided he would go around the country to SELL HIS BOOKS!!! I would still be willing to support and donate to his campaign, but if he isn’t working hard to court voters, there is no reason for me, or any big “establishment money” for that matter to send $$$ his way.

rense October 5, 2011 at 12:13 pm

“and saying he wouldn’t support Perry if he won the nomination and most recently, making the bold assertion that Perry is essentially a racist”

So, you are a Perry fan? When did that happen? How, and why? If you are actually a fiscal conservative, Perry is the worst candidate by far. Perry is a Tea Party favorite only because of the red rhetorical meat that he threw that group early in their organizing back when the national media was still trying to paint them as a pariah. But Perry’s actual record makes him as bad as – possibly worse than – Bush on fiscal matters.

And as for speaking out on that (slur)head rock controversy … what choice did Cain have? And Cain didn’t go overboard either. He merely stated that he found it offensive, which is the same as Romney said a day later. The idea that Cain could have tried to ignore it or said “no comment” … is Cain courting the Strom Thurmond/Jesse Helms/Pat Buchanan vote? Or maybe the folks who gave David Duke the GOP nomination in Louisiana back in the day? Well allow me to inform you that those folks weren’t going to vote for Cain anyway. And thanks to Perry’s pro-amnesty position on illegal immigrants, they aren’t going to vote for a third Bush administration (which is what Perry would be) either. And since they aren’t going to vote for Romney either … gee, who IS going to get whatever is left of the Thurmond/Helms or Duke vote?

Hey, if you are going to make the case that Cain lacks the political experience to be president and that he is just doing this to make money and enjoy himself – which is my own opinion – make it. But do it without acting as if you would EVER pull the lever for Perry (which you won’t, or if you would, you shouldn’t).

KD_fiscal conservative October 5, 2011 at 12:41 pm

No, not a Perry fan at all, and I think he has foot-in-mouth syndrome just as bad as Cain, but the point is Cain has shown no attempt to use any restraint in his speeches, interviews, statements or rants, and thus my point is regardless of where he stands in the current polls, he has little to no chance of winning the nomination. About the rock ordeal could has made a statement similar to Romney by saying the word is offense, and IF Perry knew about it and didn’t do anything, he is “insensitive”….not saying that Perry conclusively IS “insensitive.” It may not seem like a big difference, but if your serious about running for president, it IS….just like how he said he won’t endorse Perry against Obama.

So, we are going to be left with Romney, and as he has shown with his economic “plan” he isn’t going to change the Obama/Bush status-quo very much….

Noway October 5, 2011 at 1:00 pm

When you refer to a tax increase on the poor are you referring to the 47% of those folks who pay no federal income taxes? Just curious because everyone needs to pay taxes in some amount.

grumpymoderate October 5, 2011 at 1:44 pm

Not campaigning hard in Iowa was a warning sign about the true intent of Cain’s campaign. The new book tour confirms it-Herman Cain doesn’t really want to win the GOP nomination. He’s angling for more brand awareness.

drjay October 5, 2011 at 2:04 pm

meh, i’m not speaking to cain’s intentions necesarrily, but blowing off iowa in and of itself is not a strategy that implies lack of seriousness–mccain ignored it on his way to the nomination (stupid ethanol subsidies…), if any of the gop hopefuls had not put much effort into iowa, figuring pawlenty and/or bachmann might have a fave son effect on the caucus, or thinking that sc or nh was more fertile territory for their message, that might still work out ok…

grumpymoderate October 6, 2011 at 2:00 pm

McCain did blow off Iowa to focus on NH. Guiliani did the same thing. I would buy your argument if Cain focused on 1 state as a beachhead. Instead, he’s adopted a “50-state” strategy where he’s been literally all over the country. That’s why his Iowa and NH people quit.

Charlie October 6, 2011 at 2:38 pm

I thought it was a 50 bookstore strategy.

grumpymoderate October 7, 2011 at 11:20 am

LOL. That’s what it’s looking like now, Charlie!

Daniel N. Adams October 5, 2011 at 11:38 am

Well this goes to show why the GOP in GA, even though they’re in charge, has done very little to improve the education in this state… they like keeping their average voter naive and gullible. So, this go around trading Tax-hike Mike Huckabee for Pro-Fed Reserve, Pro-TARP, Pro-VAT, I hate brown people Herman Cain or for Mr. Breech Contract with America even though he created it and I’ll mesmerize you with my knowledge of history while continuing to ignore it Newt Gingrich.

I could go for Buzz for Prez 2012… but I’d never vote for either of these two.

Do your own homework folks and quit just listening to their rhetoric….. Please.

rense October 5, 2011 at 12:24 pm

“I hate brown people Herman Cain”

Justify that remark, please. So … wanting to enforce our immigration laws means “hating brown people”? As if brown people are the only ones trying to get over here illegally. Or if brown people are the only ones attempting to break our immigration laws … is that it? Are brown people limiting their singular lawlessness to immigration? Or are there other laws that brown people are the only ones breaking? And if brown people are the only ones breaking all these laws, then what does that say about brown people?

Hmmm. Maybe rather than “hating brown people”, Cain wants ALL PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF RACE to OBEY ALL THE LAWS NO MATTER WHAT THOSE LAWS ARE. Which, in today’s age, makes him a racist I guess.

Daniel N. Adams October 5, 2011 at 2:26 pm

Actually, I was referring to his “hatred” (a little tongue in check) of those other scary A-Rab Muz-len-American brown folks that wanted to exercise their First Amendment right and build a mosque on their private property… in Tennessee… and also those that wouldn’t be given a chance to serve on his cabinet if elected (Look it up, It was covered pretty extensively the last time Herman was the “flavor of the month”).

But to answer your other question; Yes, it still is racist/racism,… even when it’s “legal” to be/do so.

Buzz Brockway October 5, 2011 at 2:13 pm

Here you go Daniel, though I think Buzz already got kicked off “Dancing With The Vaguely Familiar.”

Calypso October 5, 2011 at 2:27 pm

“Dancing With The Vaguely Familiar.”

I like that and will begin using it instead of “Dancing with The who?”

Harry October 5, 2011 at 2:58 pm

Buzz for Governor 2014!
Buzz for President 2020!

Ken October 5, 2011 at 4:20 pm

Daniel,

You know that a VAT and a sales tax are two very different things. If not, your homework awaits you.

Daniel N. Adams October 5, 2011 at 5:00 pm

I know introducing a sales tax, in any form, shape or type, without getting rid of the income tax would be a disaster and a huge gift to BIG government growers everywhere.

And if anyone thinks any of his 3-part tax scheme will stay at 9%, they’re fools (compare where we are today vs. the link below).

All those wanting a flat income tax… why don’t we just go with the original one… the one where just “the rich” were taxed: Form 1040 v. 1913

Funny how the IRS keeps that on their site… I guess it’s for old rich guys like Charlie that may owe some back taxes. ;-)

griftdrift October 5, 2011 at 12:03 pm

So who are you supporting Daniel?

Daniel N. Adams October 5, 2011 at 1:50 pm

Personally, I’m pretty consistent in supporting Pro-Liberty candidates… there seems to be only 2 of them vying for the GOP nomination….Johnson and Paul. I don’t see any so far going for the Dem nomination. As for the Libertarian Party nominee, I’m still waiting to see who runs for it… Nominating Convention will be in Vegas in the spring (and as usual, conducted at NO expense to taxpayers).

griftdrift October 5, 2011 at 2:15 pm

Not surprised

Harry October 5, 2011 at 3:05 pm

It may shock you to know that I made a contribution to Ron Paul on September 30, but unfortunately Ron Paul won’t be elected for a couple of reasons. You should also take another look at Hermanator. He’s not that far removed from mainstream libertarianism. And he’s serious about it, really.

Charlie October 5, 2011 at 3:08 pm

Where in libertarianism does it say it’s OK for the federal government to pick and choose which religious organizations have the right to build new houses of worship?

Harry October 5, 2011 at 4:19 pm

Nobody’s perfect. Herman has passionate feelings but will allow himself be restrained by the courts.

griftdrift October 5, 2011 at 4:22 pm

The activist courts? *sips tea*

Harry October 5, 2011 at 4:24 pm

People say crazy things…
Carney said Obama was speaking as an individual about a fee that struck him as unnecessary and unfair to the bank’s customers

David Staples October 5, 2011 at 4:32 pm

Errm, I don’t recall anywhere in the libertarian things I’ve read about this being a “Christian nation”.

Harry October 5, 2011 at 7:50 pm

But 85% or more of it is, and Herman Cain knows it, and Obama is tone deaf on this issue….which is one good reason Obama will lose in 2012.

David Staples October 6, 2011 at 9:19 am

http://adage.com/article/news/churches-religion-marketing/136541/

“Call it modern-day malaise or attention-deficit religion jumping, but the “nones” are on the rise as more as more people are labeling themselves as having no religion. Today, 15% of Americans say they are “unaffiliated,” up from 8% in 1990. It’s an even more pronounced change among young people — 46% of people ages 18 to 34 consider themselves to have “no religion,” according to the American Religious Identification Survey by the Institute for the Study of Secularism in Society & Culture at Trinity College.”

Christianity is on the decline in America (thank goodness), and I would wager that your 85% number is fairly outdated. Just because 15% of the country is made up of non-believers does not make the other 85% Christians. I am part of that 46% described above and will take the peaceful religion of The Flying Spaghetti Monster over the hatred and intolerance I see from many Christians any day.

Harry October 6, 2011 at 11:57 am

The US is still predominately a “Christian nation”. There are a lot of us out here who never go to church but consider ourselves Christian. Herman Cain is much more savvy in this regard than Obama, is all I’m saying.

David Staples October 6, 2011 at 1:56 pm

Or perhaps Obama understands the trend of religion in the United States that Cain (a Baptist preacher) does not. Forty. Six. Percent. Now, if you’re only looking at McCain and Obama, which one do you suppose got a greater percentage of the young voter’s ballots? So yes, Cain might appeal to the 60+ crowd, while Obama appeals to more of the 18-35 or so crowd. Times are a changin’… alcohol sales on Sunday in Georgia used to be a non-starter. Just look at how many municipalities are voting on the issue this November.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1031/young-voters-in-the-2008-election

Toxic Avenger October 5, 2011 at 12:23 pm

Uhhhh. No. Though it would be great for us Dems if either of them were the nominee. Especially Gingrich. Literally like…8 people take him seriously.

chefdavid October 5, 2011 at 3:22 pm

If Cain can hold up to the media scrutiny that he is fixing to have he is about to surge. When you look at gallup’s positive intensity score http://www.gallup.com/poll/election.aspx Cain only has 55% recognition with a 30 score. Perry is falling and done. Romney has 83% recognition with only a score of 13. A Cain/Gingrich run next November will be interesting. I am not counting out Romney yet but if Cain can hold up he will most likely be our nominee for November.

Calypso October 5, 2011 at 4:06 pm

“…if Cain can hold up he will most likely be our nominee for November.”

I see somebody really enjoys Jordan Schafer’s homemade peanut-butter cups.:)

NoTeabagging October 5, 2011 at 5:43 pm

I take it they asked folks, “If Hell freezes over tomorrow, who would you vote for?”

saltycracker October 5, 2011 at 6:15 pm

Now that the mainstream media is cooling on vetting Perry and some vets didn’t resonate so well with the right…..and with recent good showings by Cain, he needs to brace himself….Guess, for the time being, the best plan now is to pull his lever until it isn’t there anymore.

When our favorites on the far right finish shooting themselves in the foot and “other” & “no opinion” throw in together, the big issue will be Romney’s choice of VP.

joe October 5, 2011 at 11:28 pm

Of all of the candidates running, I prefer Cain. But I do not understand 26 (?) % voting for him for Senator, and 41% wanting him for President. The polls seem whacky this year, Might be too early for any accuracy.

Doug Grammer October 6, 2011 at 10:13 am

Maybe he’s grown on them and they know him better know. I didn’t know who he was when announced for US Senator. I know who he is now.

Ken October 7, 2011 at 1:06 am

joe,

Let’s remember that most people did not know Herman Cain back then and that he ran against two sitting US Congressmen who had money and name recognition.

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