Name That Store

Right now, I’m thinking maybe “Wilder Indoors” or “Wilder Nights”.

Google is your friend.

Open thread, friends.

UPDATE 12:20 pm:

Seriously guys, how good of a forensic accountant are you if you are setting up a seller financed transaction to operate a business to someone and you didn’t figure out for three days after it closed (after already being in negotiations for months) that he runs a bunch of porn shops?  It’s the first 10 results on Google!  Here’s my ultimate take on Nathan Deal: Nice guy, but surrounds himself with guys of questionable character and intelligence.  Jimmy Allen is just the latest in a long line of people to take advantage of old man Nathan.  I mean, I think Nathan would make a great Grandfather/Uncle/Friend, just pretty sure I wouldn’t want to do business with him.

73 comments

    • I’m not the one that’s self financing it. I’m just glad the residents of Habersham County will have some new items to spend their discretionary dollars on discreetly.

        • Cassandra says:

          N-O-T-H-I-N-G is wrong with that, Buzz.

          Oppo-boychild is sharpening his fangs for 2012. Great listing, BTW, and no accident. Chris’s time would be better spent discrediting Citizens United, than barking up this tree.

        • SOGTP says:

          @Buzz. I was thinking about what you wrote; “You don’t want Governor Deal to get out of debt? He’s doing what he needs to do and is paying people what he owes. What’s wrong with that?” Yes we all do hope he does what is necessary to pay off his debts.

          What is sad that it took him into his late 60’s/early 70’s to learn this lesson. Had this happened to him as a young man, he probably would have voted very differently while serving in Congress. He would have had a much better appreciation of debt and what it does to people.

          He participated in the largest creation of debt in history prior to Obama with his unprincipled big government votes in Congress. This is man who voted YES to raise the debt ceiling around eight times from $5.5T to $8.0T.

          What is more sad our children will pay off the debt he helped to create.

    • Cassandra says:

      What an idiot: ‘“We’re always excited to hear when a new business comes here,” said Todd Pealock, chairman of the Habersham County Industrial Development Authority. “We hope new jobs will be created.”to become high-end pawn shop.

      Pawn shops are not good. Period. They degrade the human condition, invite crime, and are proven to lower the values of surrounding properties.

      But, they are LEGAL.

      Good for the Gov., honestly, and Habersham cannot deny a legal use. Sign of the times.

      • Joshua Morris says:

        Cassandra, pawn shops don’t degrade the human condition. They do business with some humans who have degraded their own conditions, but pawn brokers can’t be blamed for that. I happen to have family in the pawn business, and everything that comes through that store is reported to law enforcement to be checked against stolen property claims. Profits from that store also put food on a family’s table.

        I have a feeling the new shop coming to Habersham is going to thrive.

        • jm says:

          Joshua, you might be right in your case, and they are certainly a legitimate type of business. but not all pawn shops are scrupulous, not all them do what your family does, and having a pawn shop move into some neighborhoods is an indicator of a declining status – along with check cashing stores, tattoo parlors, etc. In fact, as my old neighborhood declined, those are the types of businesses we saw move in first, then came the strip club, and the motel with the hourly rates.

          • benevolus says:

            Cause and effect.
            Not many pawn shops on West Paces ferry because those people don’t need to pawn stuff very often. So a pawn shop moving into a declining neighborhood is a result of a declining neighborhood, not a cause of it. No reason to disparage pawn shops because of that. They have been around for hundreds of years and serve a need that certain communities find useful, like car washes, auto parts stores, fast food fish, and Family Dollar.

      • gun slinging monkey says:

        Cassandra,

        You need to get educated on pawn shops. They were one of the first loan institutions in the world. They are great for a community they are only as bad as the owner will allow it to get and this will be a classy nice pawn shop to go in. It is not your sterotypical pawn shop. Not all pawn shops have to be bad. I think you are just jealous and no nothing about business and what you complain about. You are a woman so you just want something to complain about.

  1. fishtail says:

    Wonder if Steve Diamond will be paying Nathan in dirty $5, $10 , and $20 dollar bills. By the way, the pawn and porn business is well-known by law enforcement as a cash money laundering bonanza.

      • rense says:

        As pornography has strong links to both organized crime and prostitution (which also has strong links to organized crime) denying the presence of money laundering stretches the limits of credulity. Perhaps the pornographers you are “privileged” to personally associate with are not connected to organized crime and/or prostitution, but the issue is the large number of people in that industry who are.

        • Saying pornography has strong links to organized crime is like saying the church has strong links to child abusers and molesters. Honestly, the church probably has more of a link to child molesters than pornography does to organized crime. I can only assume that since you’re posting under an anonymous name that you know little to nothing about the industry other than what you’ve read in “conservative” news.

  2. Insider Mike says:

    Chris, are you speaking for all Georgia Democrats when you say that people in certain occupations should not be allowed to own property?

    • I’m not saying that at all. And I’m not going to be lectured about private property rights by the party that won’t let a house of worship open where it wants to if the worshipers are Islamic.

      • SOGTP says:

        @Chris. If 72% of the citizens of Cumming don’t want a mosque built within their city limits, should zoning be allowed to build that mosque?

        • Yes, if that same zoning would allow a Christian church to be built. Either a property is zoned for a religious house of worship (regardless of the religion) or it’s not.

        • Well then you’re obviously getting a dillema – do each individual or group’s Constitutional rights outweigh the same rights to organize and agree to vote on this type of stuff and abide by the group vote?

          My personal feeling is that if they would allow a church or temple, they have to allow a mosque. They are free to zone something religious or not religious, or commercial, or different types of commercial, but not to tell a private citizen or group what type of religion is allowed and what type isn’t.

          So basically if you zoned something for fast food, you couldn’t then say we’ll allow a Taco Bell but not a McDonalds. Same thing for church vs temple vs mosque.

          • SOGTP says:

            I should rephrase that question in the world of reality. If 72% of the people living in Cumming insist that a mosque NOT be given zoning, will the mosque get the zoning?

            Most likely NO. That is how small little “r” republics operate.

            I hate when you people throw in Constitutional rights into local issues. How does the US Constitution have anything to do with a zoning decision in Cumming?

            Please tell me.

              • SOGTP says:

                I’m only going to go this one more time and then … well I’ll hit my head against a wall. Below is the Preamble to the Bill of Rights.

                “THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution”

                What is so difficult to understand about the Conventions of the States adopting the Constitution put in place the Bill of Rights to restrain the new Federal (national now) government? The Bill of Rights restrains the Federal (now national) government. The Bill of Rights does not usurp the States or local communities from making laws … that is why the 9th and 10th Amendment are included. This should help to clear it up. http://youtu.be/13D1LJZIXJ0

                  • trainsplz says:

                    First it was “I hate when you people throw Constitutional rights into xxx….” next, it was largely uninterpreted original source documents. You won’t answer a straightforward question.

                    I think you’re so evasive and sarcastic because you’re basically unwilling to reason through any of these political topics.

                • jm says:

                  There are more than ten amendments, and the Constitution changed as the nation changed. The 14th amendment established a concept of equal rights and equal protection for all, no matter what level off government, and no matter what the majority’s wishes are. Which actually relates to the Federalist Papers.

                  In a society under the forms of which the stronger faction can readily unite and oppress the weaker, anarchy may as truly be said to reign…where the weaker individual is not secured against the violence of the stronger. http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa51.htm

                  So, it is our duty as Americans to protect all groups, and to treat all groups equally. You’re not an anarchist, right? You do believe in the law, due process, and equal protection for all, I hope?

                  • SOGTP says:

                    You are absoulutely dead wrong jm. The 14th amendment only incorporated the 5th amendment and it only applied to freed slaves. I have no idea how our government schools messed up so many people.

                    14ht amendment – freed slaves. 5th amendment due process.

                    I am not opening this story again even though it was one of the most entertaining in the past month.

                    I can’t take it. There is no right to equal protection, only the right to protection from the Federal (now national) $14.7 trillion headed hydra that is sucking the life from all Americans. Yet, there are so many that worship at the altar of the $14.7 trillion headed hydra we call Leviathan.

                    Citizen worship your federal overlords.

                    • jm says:

                      Wow. You just made up your own facts. 13th amendment freed the slaves. 14th expanded rights, 15th was about voting. Here’s the relevant part of 14:

                      No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

                      Has the Supreme Court read this? Yes:

                      The race-based segregation of children into “separate but equal” public schools violates the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and is unconstitutional.

                      That was a ruling about education that applied to state and local governments. You might have heard about it: Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, where a small, local government – a school board in Kansas – was mandated by the Supreme Court to follow the Constitution. This case parallels the Cumming mosque case quite well, and I would bet that the justices would find that if the only reason for denying a permit is because of a majority opinion, the permit for the mosque would be approved on constitutional grounds.

              • SOGTP says:

                The latest 10th amendment case in the Supreme Court. Printz vs. USA (1997)

                “It is incontestible that the Constitution established a system of “dual sovereignty.” Gregory v. Ashcroft, 501 U.S. 452, 457 (1991); Tafflin v. Levitt, 493 U.S. 455, 458 (1990). Although the States surrendered many of their powers to the new Federal Government, they retained “a residuary and inviolable sovereignty,” The Federalist No. 39, at 245 (J. Madison). This is reflected throughout the Constitution’s text, Lane County v. Oregon, 7 Wall. 71, 76 (1869); Texas v. White, 7 Wall. 700, 725 (1869), including (to mention only a few examples) the prohibition on any involuntary reduction or combination of a State’s territory, Art. IV, §3; the Judicial Power Clause, Art. III, §2, and the Privileges and Immunities Clause, Art. IV, §2, which speak of the “Citizens” of the States; the amendment provision, Article V, which requires the votes of three fourths of the States to amend the Constitution; and the Guarantee Clause, Art. IV, §4, which “presupposes the continued existence of the states and . . . those means and instrumentalities which are the creation of their sovereign and reserved rights,” Helvering v. Gerhardt, 304 U.S. 405, 414-415 (1938). Residual state sovereignty was also implicit, of course, in the Constitution’s conferral upon Congress of not all governmental powers, but only discrete, enumerated ones, Art. I, §8, which implication was rendered express by the Tenth Amendment’s assertion that “[t]he powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

                http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/95-1478.ZO.html

        • Note: I’m not particularly fond of Mormons knocking on my door to try and convert me (something I’ve never had a Muslim do) but I didn’t protest the new church they just built right down the road from my house. Live and let live.

  3. Ron Daniels says:

    This looks like a win/win for you Chris.

    – If everything goes well, you can bring up the fact that Deal was drowning in debt.
    – If it becomes an “adult” store like Mr. Diamond’s other facilities, and all of Georgia’s power structure having moved North, the chances of catching Republicans in embarrassing situations increases. And Deal will have egg on his face.
    – If this guy, like so many others, can’t make his payment . . . Deal has egg on his face!

    I don’t think anything BUT MAYBE an “adult” store could survive at that building’s current location.

  4. Three Jack says:

    governor deal bringing jobs to north georgia, but he didn’t say what kind of jobs.

    only a politician’s spokesperson could try to spin a pawn shop as more acceptable than a porn shop. this governor is the gift that keeps on giving…3 more years.

  5. Three Jack says:

    from ajc story — “Deal did not know Diamond was involved in that kind of business, Allen said.”

    also from ajc story — “Diamond on Monday signed documents to purchase the property for $750,000. Deal is financing the transaction himself.”

    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/governor-sells-property-to-1078345.html

    so after losing millions on the first attempt to run a business at that location, the governor decides to self-finance the new buyer without first knowing what business he was self-financing. and this guy is responsible for a $18b state budget…good job voters!

  6. SOGTP says:

    @Chris. You are on fire with this story. The update is great.

    Think about this … Nathan surrounds himself with all these czars thinking they can help his administration be more successful. Nathan should have more self-confidence and believe in his own ability to make decisions. Nathan should fire all his czars and run his own life.

    He might be surprised that he is perfectly capable and most likely a better decision maker than those with little reason to care. Afterall, they don’t get the media attention when they make bad decisions.

  7. rense says:

    Deal defenders:

    If this was Roy Barnes, Kasim Reed, or any other Democrat, you’d be all over this with sharp steak knives. Could you at least TRY not to be so transparently, cravenly partisan?

    Huttman and fellow travelers:

    The Georgia voters knew of Deal’s problems, and elected him anyway. Other than pointing out the hypocrisy of Deal voters when they criticize ethics issues among Democrats, unless Deal does something (else) unethical, it is time to let it go and move on. Also, given this economy, Deal’s options to generate revenue to pay his creditors were limited. Don’t you think that Deal wouldn’t have preferred to sell that property to a software company startup if that opportunity were available to him?

    Too bad that no entity wishing to open a charter school was able to take the property off his hands. You know, the people publicizing this (including, er, Huttman) COULD HAVE organized and raised funds for precisely such an entity, one that would have had the potential to make a POSITIVE DIFFERENCE in that community and for this state. What was preventing those people from doing so? Just sayin’ …

    • Yeah too bad, but seeing as I live in DeKalb County and work in Cobb County, why would I want to use my money to better Habersham County? That’s a weak argument.

  8. ZazaPachulia says:

    So… Big Nate is fixing his financial problems by A.) self financing the sale of property to Chris Riley. B.) Spending a fortune in campaign and staffing funds to support Riley’s wife’s logistics business and Riley’s aircraft business (which then trickles back to Deal via point A). C.) Unethically lobbying to get public funds to increase the profitability of his salvage business. D.) emptying out his retirement account, and E.) selling his failed sporting goods business in another self financed deal to a California-based pornographer and pawn shop owner.

    The loud repetitive thuds you are hearing is Karen Handel and Eric Johnson slamming their heads into a table.

      • Bridget says:

        I was thoroughly enjoying the slideshow until the picture with him holding his chin – bad form for any man. It’s right there with turning your back towards the camera with your suit jacket thrown over your shoulder :/ http://www.zazapachulia.com/offthecourt

        I digress.

        A clear precedence has unfortunately been set. His actions haven’t been deemed illegal – just shady or poor business decisions in general. The people elected him anyway. I haven’t agreed with Gov Deal on a lot of issues to date, but this one? I’d rather have a governor err towards getting his fiscal house in order if he’s going to try to get Georgia’s fiscal House in order.

        I don’t think he happily jumped into this deal. What grandfather wants his grandchildren to read that he does business with an adult toy store owner? My guess is that more will unfold…

    • Three Jack says:

      z, you left out the other daughter getting paid salary as a campaign staffer while running her own fundraising company with 1 paying customer, the governor.

      {{{{heads slamming harder}}}}

  9. bowersville says:

    The local newspaper in Cornelia, thenortheastgeorgian.com, reports that Robert Cartee of Dahlonega is the son in law of Steve Diamond. Joshua Morris has provided the link above. Reading the story on that link provides the name Diamond Jewelry and Loan. Using our friend google as Chris suggested reveals several businesses in California as Diamond Jewelry and Loan. Cartee said Diamond owned a chain of five in California and says he (Cartee) will manage five in Georgia. The name Diamond Jewelry and Loan showed in another state as well. I looked no further.

    I have no idea as to whether these Diamond Jewelry and Loan stores are the ones Cartee describes but at least one was in Santa Maria, California, the reported home of Steve Diamond.

    The only interest I see is the Governor sold Wilder Outdoors and owner financed with the approval of the bank. I guess Steve Diamond and Robert Cartee can’t open a legitimate business with out the porn business being thrown in to sensationalize. Welcome to Georgia Mr. Diamond and Cartee, the home of nosy busy bodies and gutter politics.

  10. fishtail says:

    I was talking with my accountant today about this story. His take on it is that Deal’s CPA Jimmy Allen is either stupid (when Allen says he didn’t investigate Steve Diamond’s background even though Deal was financing the building for 10 years) OR Jimmy Allen is a bald-faced liar. I figure it’s a combination of both. Why in the world does Nathan Deal have to go all the way to deep South Georgia to find this goober accountant? There was also no need for all of this, per my CPA. It is common practice to establish an LLC for a single-purpose venture such as this and having your CPA or attorney be the contact for filing purposes. That way no one would have known all these titillating details. So in retrospect, perhaps Jimmy Allen’s mistakes have done some public good by exposing the details of Deal’s pact with a pornographer. If I was Nathan Deal, I would fire Jimmy Allen.

  11. John Konop says:

    In fairness to Governor Deal, in this economy combined with location I would bet that this was one of few bites if any on that property within reason. And this is a buyers market so holding the note was probably his only option in selling it. And by getting 150k down and 4k a month he has lowered his liability if the deal blows up on him and he bought time for values to increase.

    In this environment this was more than likely the best case deal he could get in my opinion. BTW I am sure most anyone in this situation would have jumped on the offer. As we say business is business.

    • Cassandra says:

      I see nothing wrong with what the Governor did. Political hacksters are doing what they do best

      – Hackstering.

      • you says:

        Most banks would not let you go 2 years with no payment then let you finance it. Heck, they wouldn’t even let you rent it.

        • John Konop says:

          Not true in this environment. Banks are in a catch 22 they do not want to manage the property which cost them even more money. It is no secrete I was a Karen Handel supporter. But this is a cheap shot. And to be honest Deal has done a good job so far.

  12. you says:

    I am not trying to make any shots at Deal. I am just trying to figure this out.
    All I am saying is I have not had the same treatment as he has. My bank would not allow this. In fact now a days banks are sueing for a settlement prior to foreclosure.
    I believe this is an unusual situation.

    • John Konop says:

      You,

      It is all about the situation. Many factors drive the decision how the bank handles the situation, from balance sheets, value of the deal……….

      The problem bank had with this situation is a large location like this had very little value unless you found the right buyer which is a very limited pool. I really doubt the bank would have treated anyone much different in this deal.

      This was a lemon of a deal anyway you slice it in this economy. I am sure the bank is as happy as Nathan Deal to find someone willing to bite.

      This was a very creative solution and the person who found the deal should be given a big commission.

  13. xdog says:

    I’m glad Deal’s people are working hard to improve the governor’s bottom line. Maybe down the road Deal can get his son-in-law to show Diamond’s s-i-l the local ropes.

    What I am really curious about is how some SoCal small businessman, specializing in adult stores and pawn shops, decided to expand completely across the country, and in a completely different demographic than his norm. Somehow I doubt he’s had a lifelong dream to have a footprint in NE GA.

    Maybe this is a fabulous investment opportunity and Diamond will become the adult pawn king of Hab County, become a community leader, dabble in local politics. Maybe Diamond is a conduit for funds provided by someone else. I don’t see any middle ground.

  14. James Fannin says:

    Buzz Brockaway and John Konop conclude that Deal’s highest duty is to himself rather than his community and he has an obligation to get the best Deal he can get regardless of whether he introduces a seedy character and a bloodsucker business to the community. In this calculation ethics and morals take a back seat to a good business decision and Konop argues that anyone would take the deal. Actually not all businesses operate on that principle. There still are people like Truett Cathy for example who don’t operate on Sundays regardless of the bottom line or commercial real estate owners who don’t rent to liquor stores or pawn shops or adult entertainment stores because they don’t want to earn money that way. Governor Deal has no such qualms and that is just fine with Brockaway and Konop but guys, could we just please consider that it isn’t always just about the bottom line?

    • Doug Grammer says:

      Did Chick-fil-a put in a bid for the store space?

      Gov. Deal had no such qualms? Spin, Spiderman, spin.

    • John Konop says:

      Truett Cathy is obviously a very good businessman. But God for bid if Truett was upside down and needed to sell his home, business…….. no one really knows if he would turn a dea like thisl down. Unlike you I man not so quick to judge unless I have walked in another mans shoes. And I think more than 99% of people would have done the same deal if they were upside down. In fact most never even got that far they just walked away from the obligation, and I give Governor Deal credit for not walking away.

      The real question is how many of you in his situation would of just filed bankruptcy and walked away?

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