Sunday sales passes the House

After some humorous discussion (also some pretty dumb comments from a couple Republican House members), Sunday sales (SB 10) passed the House by a vote of 127-44.

It will now head to Gov. Nathan Deal’s desk for his signature.

Thanks to Todd Rehm for the pic.


    • seenbetrdayz says:

      He’s still not allowed to show up until 12:30 P.M. at the earliest, so you should have time to make it home from church before he gets ya.

  1. barstool69 says:

    Anybody know if Chatham County is having elections in November that could place this on the ballot? Pretty sure they are.

  2. Harry says:

    Now the roofers, painters, drywall installers and landscapers will not show up for work on Mondays. The economy will take a hit – make no mistake.

    • jerbush91 says:

      WOW … so according to that line of thinking only people who have a college education can handle themselves enough to know when to stop drinking or even have a drink on Sunday. Some could take your statement even farther and read it to mean that you must taking about Hispanics and groups other than white since the jobs you have listed are those that according to leftist are jobs whites will not do.

    • Funny, they’re already allowed to buy alcohol at bars and restaurants on Sunday and the ones that drink on Sunday at home currently stock up on Saturdays to drink on Sunday. So what makes you think they’re going to drink themselves into oblivion and not show up to work just because we give them the freedom to make the purchase when they want to purchase it rather than control their purchases due to one religious group’s convictions?

  3. SallyForth says:

    Well, isn’t that special?! Now we can all tie one on trying to get over the fact that the big bidness lackeys spent their time doing things like this, instead of, say maybe, doing something with teeth in it to address the 1/2 million illegal foreigners in Georgia and their law-breaking employers. Or perhaps putting something in law to prevent current abuse of GA consumers by insurance company bureaucrats jerking us around on claims and charging highway-robbery premiums. I could go on and on, but you get the drift – consumers once again got screwed.

    They found time to pass a bill to let companies chop down trees and flowers along our highways, use the public right of way for their advertisements and billboards, allowed tobacco companies to kill legislation to raise GA to at least the median tax on cigarettes and help our state’s economy, etc. of all the special interest legislating (like this Sunday bulk alcohol sales bill) the lobbyists could dream up. The lizard loafered 3rd house really outdid themselves by making consumers actually think this liquor bill was something for them, instead of the liquor industry.

    2011 Legislative scorecard: Lobbyists for big bidness – batting 100. Consumers – zero.

    • Harry says:

      This legislature is owned by special interests. The consumers and taxpayers are getting shafted and they don’t even realize it.

    • Goldwater Conservative says:

      Oh yeah…and that hopey changy tea part shenanigan solved all of your problems last fall.

      I, personally, am thrilled that I will soon be free to choose whether I would like to go to a package store and make a purchase on Sundays. No longer is my decision made by somebody else with different values and different beliefs…their decision entirely derived from a religion I do not believe in.

      Sally, we all know that a vote in favor of the consumer is a vote for socialism. That big monster that always seems to be brought up when conservatives do not get their way (and by the way I am being sarcastic, I am all for legislation that favors consumers over businesses). 99.999999%, no kidding, of consumer protection takes the form of government regulation. Put that in your pipe and smoke it (still can’t do that…maybe next next year).

    • Sally – if they have time to recognize high school sports teams and massage therapists then they have time for a no-brainer bill like SB-10 that shouldn’t have even required as much debate as it got last night. I’m all for cutting out the sermon / prayer of the day if you think there needs to be more time for more legislation. πŸ™‚

    • PS – I was one of the ones pushing hard for SB-10 to pass. I don’t stand to make a dime. It just makes my life easier to be able to buy a bottle of wine at the same time I buy the rest of my groceries or for a last minute dinner / picnic on a Sunday if I don’t have a cheaper bottle of something laying around. (I’m not opening the Opus 1 for just anything.) Don’t like it? Move to Indiana or Connecticut – the only two states remaining after this becomes law. πŸ™‚

      • Goldwater Conservative says:

        Actually…there are more than that, David: Alabama, Connecticut, Georgia, Indiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, and West Virginia. Not to mention the dozens of counties in other states that prohibit alcohol sales on Sundays (many of which prohibit sales of alcohol all together).

        • Errm, I have friends that live in South Carolina that can purchase on Sunday. Perhaps you should revisit your list. I’m talking about retail /packaged sales of alcohol on Sunday. I’m absolutely positive it can be sold by the drink in SC as it was legal when I lived there several years ago. It may not be legal in every county / city, but it is legal in some.

        • KD_fiscal conservative says:

          GC…Actually…As much as you pride yourself about being right about everything….your wrong. Alabama definitely allows it, as does SC, possibly some of the others, but these two I know for a fact do allow it.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      To do know that John Wayne Gacy was a clown. Not saying you’re a bad man, just saying.

  4. Rick! Dig the new Gravatar. It’s … lighthearted … and … disturbing.

    Anyway, back to Sunday Sales: this potentially changes the dynamic of many city council elections across the state this November. There aren’t very many elections this year, though among some of the larger cities Savannah and Macon are both holding them. Some small cities are holding council elections, as well, including Suwanee, JC, the Snellvillians, and many others.

    The political impact could be an increased turnout in November (from both sides of this issue) in places which may have never had more than 500 people vote in a city election. So if you live in those cities and towns, mark your calendar to prepare in advance to unplug your telephone for the final week.

    • Yes. All the shamelessly ambitious, minimally qualified, aspiring local politicos need to start brushing up on their turn of the century pro-prohibition speeches. And ask Josh McKoon for a copy of that dumbass New Mexico study. This issue will drive local elections in rural areas for several years. Thankfully, I’ve planted my residence firmly in Gommorah so I won’t have to bother with it.

    • Tiberius says:

      I expect the Johns Creek C.C. to approve it this summer and the change to pass with 70-75%.

      What religious-centric voters we have here in JC will already be bombarded with literature and calls from our city council elections this fall. As I am sure Mark will attest, religious voters vote so they will make up a large number of the “5 out of 5” voters who consultants will target in these low-turnout elections.

      If pro-Sunday sales wanted to cover their bets, they would schedule it for the GOP Prez primary in the spring when religious voters in JC (and most metro ATL city and counties) will be a smaller % of the vote.

  5. saltycracker says:

    Never has so much been said about so little – this should have gone thru with minimum conversation, long ag0 – All the paragraphs in PP indicate a symptom of weird politics….

  6. B Balz says:

    I remember taking delivery of full beer kegs on Sunday, paid for in advance, for my Atlanta college fraternity. Long since gone, there was a certain convenience store in Buckhead, just north of Phipps. Clerk David would always call you, “pledge” and make the delivery event a huge production like a speakeasy during Prohibition.

    This law will spoil the futures of our children, I tell you….

    Good point on the voter turnout, it will be fun to watch.

      • Engineer says:

        I was mostly complaining about the group of Republicans from the districts around the Waycross area that voted no (nay), sorry if you misunderstood.

  7. Ed says:

    Hmm am I the only one who JUST…DOESN’T…CARE…?

    I mean I am a certifiable boozehound, make absolutely no mistake, but…in the highly unlikely event my bar is empty and I have to wait until Monday to buy more…eh. I think if people are truly upset about not being able to drink on Sunday (which means you’re unable to enter a bar) perhaps you have bigger issues.

    Yeah, liberty, local government, blah blah blah.

    • John Vestal says:

      In the same vein…..

      I think if people are truly upset about not others being able to drink on Sunday……….perhaps you they have bigger issues.

    • drjay says:

      no you’re not–the only one who didn’t really care–all things being equal i would prefer the option to buy on a sunday, and have been inconvenienced by an unexpected guest and the desire to buy a bottle of wine for dinner or an extra 6 pack to watch the game, but i was never fired up enough about this to call my senator or push for a referendum in my county to happen straight away or anything…

      • Unfortunately, the calling senators / reps, etc. is the only way to make these sorts of changes happen. It’s one of those no-brainer things that I’ve been inconvenienced enough times that I finally said I’m sick and tired of being told I can’t purchase it just because Joe Blow is observing the sabbath. πŸ™‚

      • Ed says:

        I know JMac said somewhere he does his shopping on Sundays so he is SOL to booze purchasing. Those folks “need” this I suppose.

        • Ed – see my note below. Why should anyone have the right to tell me and a business what days we’re allowed to conduct a business transaction on? I admit, alcohol is a want, not a need. But I want to purchase it, the store wants to sell it to me. How does that affect you or anyone else? How about we start examining your lifestyle and figure out a few days when we can limit your wants? Perhaps we should disable your shower on Tuesdays… after all, you can shower on Monday and Wednesday and the water savings is good for the environment, right? Perhaps you shouldn’t be able to drive on Sundays either. You don’t “need” to go to church. You can watch it on tv or read the Bible in the comfort of your own home.

  8. SallyForth says:

    Salty and Ed, you are both on target. This is really no big deal to those of us who keep a stocked liquor cabinet and beer, wine in the fridge (unexpected guests? no problem). It’s just like keeping our kitchens stocked with food, paying attention to what’s running out. This legislation is based on an assumption that the citizenry is a bunch of drooling idiots.

    It is an insult to act like life as we know it will end if we can’t go buy bulk alcohol seven days a week, instead of six. This is definitely not legislation for GA citizens – it is for liquor industry sales. Now they will start shifting their p/r expenditures from the state level to local levels. Brainwashing local voters into thinking this is something for them instead of distilled spirits manufacturers and sellers should be easy – just look at the intelligent folks they’ve convinced to sing their song on PP (are you guys sure you aren’t in the industry, or being paid by their p/r firms?).

    • SallyForth – I haven’t been paid a dime. Click on my name… you’ll see that I own a horse farm in addition to working a full time job. I typically do my grocery shopping on Sundays. Why should I have to make a separate trip later in the week to buy the items I’m not allowed to. Anyone who knows me can certainly tell you I’m not in the industry, nor am I being paid by their p/r firms. I find it insulting that you would even suggest such. Why do you believe you (or anyone else) should have a right to tell me and a store when we’re allowed to conduct a transaction that doesn’t affect you?

      • SallyForth says:

        Good for you, David. Let’s just hope everyone else can say likewise. I guess I get this thing about government telling anyone whether they can buy bulk spirits seven days a week instead of six from the people who are pushing to have government dictate to a woman what she does with her own body. The cry for putting government inside a uterus made me think something as relatively insignificant as selling booze might warrant government too…..

        • I’m with you there. I’m a pro-choice libertarian (as is my wife). My wife is actually 22 weeks pregnant right now, so I’m getting fairly familiar with the whole development stages of a fetus. I was certainly against the bill that was suggesting outlawing abortion at the 20 week mark. 20 weeks is typically when you find out whether the baby might have Down’s Syndrome, Cystic Fibrosis or other diseases. Had the results come back saying that if continued, the pregnancy would result in a child with a very poor quality of life due to some disease or another, we would have terminated the pregnancy. I understand others’ opinions on that vary, but that’s their right and they shouldn’t force their opinions on me through the rule of law.

          I suppose the other option is that you can always go to Canada for an abortion after 20 weeks, as Canada doesn’t have any limitations on the development of the fetus whatsoever. But I’ll leave this discussion for another thread so as to not hi-jack this one. πŸ™‚

          • B Balz says:

            Very frank and honest thing to say, Mr. Staples. Good wishes to you and your wife on a healthy delivery.

          • SallyForth says:

            @David, what a voice of reason from actual experience!! And like someone else on here said, drinking and getting knocked up often do go together, huh? πŸ™‚
            Congratulations and best wishes to you and your wife. Get all the zzz’s you can stack up before the little one gets here!

      • saltycracker says:

        DS – Gentleman horse rancher…hmmmm…How do we know what you are doing with all that grain you’re buyin’ ?…..we smell red herring support…..wheat, barley, oats…..ingredients for sure…..

        • Well, I’m not that familiar with the brewing of alcohol in regards to which grains make what off hand, but if you think you can make something out of Nutrena Compete 10 or XTN, I’d certainly be interested in learning. πŸ™‚

    • John Vestal says:

      Sally, I find myself hard-pressed to locate something….anything…in this missive that makes sense.

      To the contrary, the legislation is based on two things, primarily….(1) FIXING an incongruity in the OCGA, and (2) the basic conservative tenet of local control on those issues for which it is suitable and readily-empowered.

      For quite a while, now, Georgia has given the power to decide what type(s) of alcohol, if any, are available and in what form to the local communities. This has included Sunday sales for on-premise consumption, but not package sales. This legislation simply brings package sales in line with the rest of the Code. Do you really think all areas of the State would be happy with the alternate “fix” of simply taking the local control for all alcohol-related issues away and passing blanket statewide alcohol sales guidelines? Would the communities with restrictions or total bans on alcohol really want to have the State tell them they must allow package and on-premise sales of all alcoholic beverages? I hardly think that would be fair….do you?

      Maybe it makes you feel better to have convinced yourself that it was only “special interests” that got this legislation finally passed, but what about the “special interests” (and hypocritical Governor) that delayed it all these years?

      It’s somewhat lyrical that you would use the ‘drooling idiot’ visage in your commentary, as….for many of us…..that’s exactly the iconic stereotype we’re trying to finally shed with the elimination of antiquated nonsense.

      • griftdrift says:

        Then you need to include that in the guts the opposition was primarily from the theocrats and the nanny staters. I’ll side with spirit slingers. Whether they used well heeled lobbyist or not.

        • SallyForth says:

          @grift, I’m not for the theocrats or the nanny staters either. I’m just for a little openness about who actually benefits from this legislation, and the fact we regular people don’t need to feel as if the legislature had done anything special for us regular joes.

          • griftdrift says:

            This regular Joe will benefit from it.

            And I’m willing to bet that when the voting starts there will be thousands more joes and jills who will say, I want to benefit from it too.

  9. B Balz says:

    Words are important:

    It is not the government ‘artificially stif[ling]’ the market. It is the will of citizens, speaking through their reps, that are imposing their views upon others. The government is a vessel; it’s people steer the vessel.

    As time passed, and a less conservative Atlanta metro population grew, the idea of Sunday sales blossomed. However, outside of the metro, the prevailing attitude, whether one agrees to the right or wrong on the issue, is against Sunday sales.

    We all know this, and that is why as a local issue, I will enjoy the CHOICE to vote against the matter. To me, Sunday sales of alcohol is not a big deal to me at all; the philosophical ‘local choice’ issue is more important.

    Yet, the House decided to limit DeKalb School Board to seven members and allow the Gov. to kick off bad actors. That is FAR more important to me, THANK YOU!!!!

  10. SallyForth says:

    B, kudos on a thoughtful summary re this issue. I just hope all the people who support CHOICE on buying bulk liquor and keeping government out of that choice will also rally around a woman’s right to make her personal choice on whether to use her body as an incubator for a fertilized egg and obligate the next 21 years of her life, while the male participant skips off scott free. With all the crap flying around under the gold dome, please be just as strong about opposing big government, keeping government out of a woman’s uterus.

    • Sally – most of the people I hear saying that alcohol sales should only be legal on 6 days of the week and not on “the Lord’s day” are the ones who are also pro-life and want to tell a woman what to do with her body. Most of the people I personally know that are pro-choice for alcohol sales are also pro-choice when it comes to abortion.

      • B Balz says:

        @DavidStaples: What you just described above is the predominant cultural bias in the State and Region we CHOOSE to live. In fact, the system may have worked [as clumsily as Democracy can be expected to work] to allow the minority view (Sunday sales) to prevail because local choice trumps.

        @SallyForth Thank you. In my mind, the decision to choose an elective abortion is completely different, on virtually every level, than that of Sunday sales of alcohol. However, one might argue both issues might be inextricably linked, nine months later. That is a good topic for tonight, say 7PM?

        • SallyForth says:

          B, I haven’t had time for PP’ing the past week or two, so am putting in 2 cents today while I am at my desk lurking the internet. Not sure whether I’ll be online this evening. I agree that the two issues are SO different, which was my point re why would the solons want to take government out of alcohol sales but put it into a woman’s uterus and force on her at least a 21-yr obligation while letting the male involved go free? I love your comment re both issues might be inextricably linked. πŸ™‚ ttyl

  11. Spacey G says:

    SB10, Georgians for Sunday Alcohol Sales (the Facebook Group on the effort), never would have passed without the relentless activism, organizing and rally-the-troops efforts of Rich Sullivan. What Sully needs to do now is turn his thoughts towards public servitude. We desperately need more of his kind, with his get’r done, energetic and motivated mindset, in the GA Crackerslature.

    • SallyForth says:

      Hmmm…. Rich Sullivan = ATL radio personality = p/r industry = source of income = issue oriented self promotion, not “public servitude.”

        • SallyForth says:

          Sigh…. Here goes: Rich Sullivan is an Atlanta radio personality and is therefore part of the p/r industry, which is his source of income and makes his efforts on this issue self-promotion that will, if he was not actually paid to do this campaign, at the very least increase his visibility/value/income within the p/r industry. In no way is that “public servitude” as Spacey stated.

          • Sally – I’ve been working with Rich, Jamie and others on this Sunday Sales campaign through the public Facebook page as well as a secret Facebook group. I can tell you that there’s a lot Rich has done behind the scenes that you haven’t seen and I believe his efforts to get this bill passed had nothing to do with self-promotion.

            • SallyForth says:

              David, I respect your efforts and your opinion. I was disagreeing with what Spacey posted earlier, and I stand by my summation that Rich’s involvement on this issue doesn’t in any way equate to “public servitude.” Bottom line, he is a pro in the p/r business.
              I’m sure you and other volunteers worked your hearts out and deserve kudos on your efforts. Cheers!

    • B Balz says:

      To my point, correct. And the Founding Fathers, in their genius, perhaps divine genius, created a mechanism whereby the minority would not be runover, roughshod, by a majority.

        • B Balz says:

          I sincerely hope that you do not have that happen to you, Harry.

          One small reason I will not vote ‘yea’ for Sunday sales is that Sunday night, especially on a three day weekend, has the highest incidence of drunk driving.

          The ghosts of the Founding Fathers will watch over you.

          • See, to me, that would be a reason to vote ‘yea’ for Sunday sales. If I can encourage people to buy at the grocery store to consume at home instead of going to a restaurant or bar to drink… all the better.

            • B Balz says:

              My point is the folks making the emergency run on Sunday have been ‘drankin’ all weekend and are not fit to drive when they wake up. I see an increase in the exceptions and not the majority that will be DUI.

                • B Balz says:

                  Ask a cop. We all have our reasons for voting. Like I said, I could care less about buying alcohol on Sunday. I like that we cannot buy it, and I like that we have a choice to vote on it.

                  If you have ever known a pathetic creature that is a ‘dyed-in-the-wool’ alcoholic, you would know Sunday sales will give ’em a whole new perspective on life. Sadly, that person wakes up with a BAC over the legal limit. In a heavily populated area, urban city-core, adding another day to buy booze further rips the social fabric.

                  It really won’t make much difference, most people are not the pathetic exception.

        • I’m all for smoker’s rights… so long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of anyone else. I don’t want to be forced to breathe their second-hand smoke and I don’t want to pay for their health care. But they’re free to smoke as many packs of ciggarettes within their house or out in the middle of a field or whatever as they’d like.

          Pedophiles infringe upon the rights of another. Allowing me to buy a bottle of wine at Publix or Kroger on a Sunday afternoon does not. You’re comparing apples to almonds.

          Terrorists also infringe upon the rights of others. See above… apples != almonds.

          The right to swing your fist ends at the other person’s nose. The next issue that I’m going to be pushing is another issue that does not infringe upon the rights of anyone else. I’ll go into more detail another time.

      • Harry says:

        Of course, none of those suggested crusades will succeed because you’ll not have liquor industry lobbyist support in the legislature.

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