‘A Total Loss’

Democrats in Washington tonight are looking at Georgia and see it as a ‘total loss.’ Things could certainly change, but right now I’m being told Democrats believe Nathan Deal will win without a runoff and that both Sanford Bishop and Jim Marshall are lost.

Democrats expect a near total wipeout in the statewide races.

51 comments

  1. Bill Hagan says:

    This is a clear indicator of what the night will bring. Marshall is finished and if he can be brought down then any Democrat can.

  2. Rick Day says:

    Now that the Republicans are in Power (again) I have one question?

    When are things going to get better? Hell, I’ll even settle for “this is the plan”.

    Look, I’m wealthy in the top 4% bracket, and I love tax breaks.

    But I love my country more, and so should you.

    I mean, you know, you guys are running things now. You can’t blame the Democrats because everything they tried, your monkeys blocked. Besides they are not in power anymore. You are. When you going to fix this economy? I, like you all 23 months 29 days ago, want it done NOW. Fair for you; fair for me.

    Following your lead from Dec, 2008, it matters nothing that the mess was inherited from the previous party. You all vigorously argued “that does not matter”, then the fact the Dems inhereted the debts of the Bush Eras, you all crowed “but it is THEIR deficit”.

    Now, we don’t want you to be branded hypocritical a-hole traitors, now do you?

    So, when is it going to be “fixed”, Republicans?

    As impatient as you were exactly 1 year and 364 days ago, so are the rest of us.

    Your collective vote brought us here. Go look in the mirror now, smile and say “I made the country better today by voting against Nigra lib’rels”. Yeah, go ahead and do that.

    Your un-employement check will not be waiting, in months. Socialist programs and all that…

    bootstraps: pull them

        • Joshua Morris says:

          Funny–typical ‘hot potato’ politics. You guys don’t want to accept responsibility for the mess when you’re in charge, and you’re awfully quick to toss it when your time’s up.

    • seenbetrdayz, Ph.D. says:

      I’ll agree with your question, but using a different methodology and demeanor.

      We’re here because of both parties, really. Every time the tables turn, we elect people who are accurate (mostly) in pointing out the wrong-doings of the party that has previously held the majority. However, as I have said before and continue to say: The two parties are not interested in UNDOing each other, they want to OUTdo each other. There is a difference, and that difference is critical. Democrats should not complain about Bush’s spending and then double the deficit. Republicans shouldn’t complain about Obama’s spending and then double the deficit. This isn’t getting us anywhere but deeper in a hole.

      The republicans will have a chance—once again (and the democrats will likely get theirs again, afterwards), to cut the spending they so loudly decried when in the minority (maybe not with Obama’s veto power for the next two years, but I believe team “R” will retake the White House in 2012).

      But I’m not holding my breath.

      On the bright side: I should graduate in time to get drafted as an army nurse for a nation-building adventure in Iran, should the Bushians return to power.

  3. NoTeabagging says:

    Thanks Rick.and now this message, “Hi I am a Tea Partier”:

    (OK, a bit over the top, and late, but we can all relate to it somewhere along the way)

  4. Marshall and Bishop are gone. Barnes is gone. One of the strangest races that appear very close is House district 140, Bubber Epps is slightly ahead of Allen Freeman. I know I’ve been busy with the governor’s race but I didn’t see or hear ANY campaigning in that race. I’m actually surprised at how close it is. Both of these guys are good folks, but man this was quiet compared to his previous runs.

  5. Bill Hagan says:

    ATLANTA — Republican Austin Scott has defeated Democratic U.S. Rep. Jim Marshall in middle Georgia’s 8th District.

    Marshall, a four-term congressman from Macon, was ousted in Tuesday’s elections amid a tide of Republican gains in Congress.

    With 72 percent of precincts reporting, unofficial returns showed Scott with 53 percent of the vote.

    During the campaign, Marshall insisted his independent voting record showed he was not beholden to either party. The Democrat voted against President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul and said he opposed keeping Nancy Pelosi as House speaker.

    Scott, a state lawmaker from Ashburn in southern Georgia, attacked Marshall for supporting $787 billion in stimulus spending and raising the government’s debt limit.

  6. kyleinatl says:

    Regardless, I’m kickin back on the fact that Liz Carter, Fenn Little, and Ray McKinney are going home. Glad to see Georgia can avoid the fringe-candidate freak show that was trying to sweep the nation.

      • kyleinatl says:

        What rock are you talking about Bill? I’ll be at the Gold Dome everyday working with your and my conservative friends. Feel free to come find me sometime.

    • I didn’t follow Little or McKinney, and while I was wholly unimpressed with Carter (and wrote-in “Bill the Cat” for that race), I don’t see her as part of a fringe candidate freak show.

      You seem to forget that our new governor is a birther, though, and in my book, that at least puts him in a sideshow cart at the freak show.

  7. KD_fiscal conservative says:

    ATLANTA (AP) — Democratic Rep. Sanford Bishop has lost his southwest Georgia seat to a Republican challenger after 18 years in Congress.

    Mike Keown, a Republican state lawmaker and pastor from Coolidge, defeated Bishop on Tuesday in Georgia’s 2nd District, which includes Columbus and Albany.

    With 81 percent of precincts reporting, unofficial returns showed:

    Mike Keown Republican 72,722 52.0%
    Sanford Bishop Democratic 67,032 48.0%

  8. View from Brookhaven says:

    It appears Elena Parent has taken down Jill Chambers in HD-81.

    Good night in my neighborhood.

  9. AubieTurtle says:

    The election so far is turning out pretty much how I expected. The Libertarians are getting way less votes than they claimed they would and appear to not be able to put any race of note into a runoff. Georgia continues to be a solidly red state. The Democrats hold on to the US Senate and lose control of the House.

    The amendments are interesting. Sadly it appears that Amendment 1 looks like it is going to pass quite easily. We really need some sort of reform on how amendments are worded on the ballot versus what they actually do.

    Trauma care funding looks like it is not going to pass. I wonder if there isn’t some degree of blow back from the recent fee change in specialty plates that use to be one time fees that are now annual fees to the general fund. I’d also be interested in seeing how the vote broke down since this was an amendment that would benefit mostly rural Georgia. Have the decades of being ungrateful for all of the subsidies provided by the state’s metro areas finally started to get those in population centers to push back on the hate they receive from the rural population?

    Comparing the multi-year contract amendments for transportation projects versus energy projects is interesting since transportation looks like it isn’t going to pass while energy projects is passing easily. My guess is that there is a huge amount of distrust among the population on the state’s ability to wisely spend transportation dollars. Let this be a warning to those who think the regional transportation sales tax is going to easily pass in 2012. Shouldn’t we be voting on an amendment to do a total teardown of GDOT and replace it with something (anything!) better?

    The Industrial Property amendment reminds me of Alabama where the statewide ballot is typically littered with all kinds of local issues. This one looks like it’ll easily pass.

    Inventory tax exemption is still close but looks like it’ll pass. I’m going to guess this due to a mix of the general anti-tax sentiment of the population and that it sounds pro-business which by extension seems like it is pro-jobs.

    • seenbetrdayz, Ph.D. says:

      “I wonder if there isn’t some degree of blow back from the recent fee change in specialty plates that use to be one time fees that are now annual fees to the general fund.”

      Probably.

      Though all isn’t lost. Perhaps they will have a specialty tag for trauma hospitals, with the excess cost going towards more trauma centers, but then, no one will buy them because they’ll probably go up on the price for specialty tags again.

      I think a great theme for the tag would be a drawing of a child being splattered all over the road by a Mack truck. You know, something that would be on par with the radio ads leading up to this election.

      • AubieTurtle says:

        It looks like I was wrong about it being a rural v urban issue… well, actually it does appear that was the case but in the opposite way than I thought. It is the rural counties that are voting against while the more urban counties are voting for it.

  10. swga says:

    Bishop is now in the lead with a handful of precincts out as well as the early voting. Most of the rest is Albany and Columbus. He’s gonna win. He has some shortcomings, but just like you all held your nose and voted for Deal, I held mine and took him.

  11. AubieTurtle says:

    Wow, I knew things were weird out in Colorado but the Constitution Party candidate has sucked up so many votes from the Republican candidate that the GOP might officially end up classified as a minor party which will mean all of their candidates end up at the bottom of the ballot with the Libertarians, Natural Law candidates, Greens, Communists, independents, etc.

    Hope it happens. It’ll be nice to see one of the two big parties get stung by the ballot laws they wrote to put all other parties at a disadvantage.

      • AubieTurtle says:

        He’s a bit out there but it’s interesting that he was able to get such a high percentage of the vote. If it was a case of him receiving a quater of the conservative vote, it wouldn’t be that shocking but he’s getting most of the right wing vote.

        I wonder if this gives the Constitution Party major party status in Colorado or if there are extra hoops to jump through.

  12. Go ahead GOP… grow the government yet some more and then blame it on the Democrats. I know… I know… but it really is their fault. Yada yada yada… blah blah blah. I’ve heard it all before.

    • AubieTurtle says:

      The Democrats still control the White House and probably will retain control of the US Senate. That’ll be enough for the Republicans to use for blame. Most of the online ads I saw for Deal had Obama, Reid, Pelosi and Cynthia McKinney (who hasn’t been in office for years) in them.

      Hey it works!

      The question for the Libertarians is, why can’t they have a better showing? Seems like this election was pretty much set up for them to do well. How is it that the Constitution Party whomped the Republicans in a major state but as far as I know, the Libertarians didn’t get out of the mid single digits anywhere?

      • I think there’s a few factors in play here.

        1 – Republican State Republican Year.

        2 – The GOP successfully continued the wasted vote theory that many people bought into. They also touted “King Roy” as this boogeyman that somehow would be so horrible for Georgia that you just couldn’t take a chance on voting for a third party… you just had to suck it up and vote for Deal instead.

        3 – The Libertarian Party actually did experience growth. John Monds received the highest gubernatorial vote ever (raw votes & percentage) for the LP in Georgia (beating Garrett Hayes’s record set in 2006). We renewed our “political body” status last night due to our vote totals (58,000 votes needed in at least one race = 1% of registered voters). Every single candidate burst through this threshold even though this is the first time the LP has run a full slate of candidates at the statewide level. Perhaps we could have done a lot better last night, but the machines that are the Democratic and Republican Parties are much more experienced at winning elections and are much better funded.

        We’re still the only third party with statewide office ballot access. We just need to reach that 20% threshold in a Governor’s or Presidential race to gain party status in Georgia so we can run for state senate or state house without having to get signed petitions from 5% of the registered voters in that district. (Same requirements as if we were an independent candidate.) Either that, or the Republicans and Democrats need to lessen their grip on their power and change our ballot access laws so that they’re no longer the most restrictive in the nation. You know the law is restrictive when even a self funded millionaire (Ray Boyd) has trouble gathering enough signatures to make it on the ballot.

        • AubieTurtle says:

          On point two, perhaps the Libertarians can do a better job of convincing voters that voting L instead of R will at worst result in a runoff since they’re not contributing to the 50% + 1 needed in the D column to put a Democrat into office.

          No disagreement on the fact that ballot access here is overly restrictive but it’s hard not to notice that in other states, other “minor” parties are performing better. Heck, in the last presidential election, Ralph Nader running as an independent got more votes than the Libertarian Bob Barr.

          While certainly Libertarians should be happy to have had their best showing ever in Georgia, given the candidates and the general mood of the electorate, I expected a better showing. Anyway, not trying to rain on your parade, I just have a hard time seeing Libertarians becoming anything more than a minor party after what appears to me to be an inability to take advantage of some very weak major party candidates and a anti-establishment climate.

          But no one pays me to be a political consultant, so I’m really just pondering the way things are and could be wrong about my pessimistic outlook for the Libertarians.

          • Certainly understandable. I as well thought the Libertarian candidates would do much better than they did. Until we can get past point number 2 though, I think the growth will just be slow and steady. Which leads me to my next point.

            I also think there’s another thing contributing to the elections and that’s the age factor. Younger voters tend to be more libertarian than older voters. As the state’s population ages and the current older generation no longer votes they’ll be replaced by those who grew up in an age of technology and seeing that some of the vices that Republicans rail so much against aren’t really all that bad after all. The current generation is growing up in a time where marijuana is for all practical purposes legal in California. We’re growing up in a time where people see that prostitution is legal in various parts of the world and just outside of Las Vegas… where people look to Craigslist and the back pages of Creative Loafing for them just as easily as they look for a good book to read.

            We’re living in an age where people can hop on a flight and within hours be in a city where gambling is legal. It’s roughly a 2 hour 15 minute flight to Buffalo, where I can drive a few minutes out of the airport to hit a casino on either the US or Canadian side of the falls. (I’ve never been to Vegas, though I know Cali is a 5 hour flight, so I’d guess 4 hours to Vegas? Mississippi is even closer, though I’m not familiar with airports or flight times to get to those casinos.)

            I don’t think we’re likely to see the GLBT population all of a sudden become straight. Ever. Not this year, not next year, not next decade. Back in the days of slavery I’m sure people said we’d never see the current situation where black people have the same and equal rights as any white person. I believe that day will come for the GLBT crowd as well when a gay couple will have the same and equal rights as a straight couple. It’s not if – it’s when.

            So with all that said, I’ll say the same for having a major third party – I don’t know that it will be 2 years from now or even 10 years from now – but I believe it’s time will come. It’s not an if but a when. How long will it take for Georgia’s population to come around? I don’t know.

  13. I’m truly disappointed that Sanford Bishop won, especially with it being so close. Keown ran a great campaign, no doubt about it.

    But Bishop won by doing what Democrats do best: absentee balloting. Maybe if the GOP can learn how to get people to vote early then they can win more tossup races.

    • Medic8310 says:

      Republican voters are usually at work while the Democrat voters are being bussed back and forth to the polls. Just sayin’.

    • Bill30097 says:

      Looks like Bishop did the Democrat thing. Hold back a couple precints until you you know how many votes you need and then do what needs to be done.

  14. XMike says:

    Democrats could have prevented this by not jamming through HealthCare Reform and Cap & Trade, but they didn’t. To quote Francisco Domingo Carlos Andres Sebastián d’Anconia, “Brother, you asked for it!”

    • AubieTurtle says:

      Democrats could have prevented this by voting like they’re Republicans. But then, they’d be Republicans. Sometimes to get what you want, you have to pay a price. The Democrats did that.

  15. drjay says:

    turnout is a funny thing, it’s a shame that mckinney could not raise a little more money, or get some nat’l support in the 12th, his % performance, counties won and margin of loss were all much better than stone’s was in 08, but in terms of raw numbers, stone got more botes in 08, if the 94k that voted for stone in 08 had voted for ray last nite he would have beaten barrow, i have to wonder if a little more money for tv and gotv might have made it a little more like the 2nd was last nite…

  16. drjay says:

    alright, well now we’ve had a few hours to digest everything, isn’t time to start thnking about 2012, the new congressional seat is probably where, north ga, with everything else rotating either clockwise or counterclockwise around atl…hopefully the state house and senate seats can be tweaked to stave off demographic changes in south cobb and south gwinnett…make the 37th more gop friendly maybe for instance…which psc seat is up? have the parties sorted out the prez primary schedule–is ga going early or late, are any of the relatively new, young gop stars going to be in the mix for that (rubio, brown, christie…) what is everyone waiting for?

  17. ACCmoderate says:

    After last night, I’d rather be Roy Barnes than Nathan Deal. Sure, Roy may have lost… but he’s going to head right back to his law firm and keep making over $2 million a year. Not a bad trade-off.

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