Georgia deserves better and you do have options…

The fact that Nathan Deal continues to lead for Governor of Georgia is a testament to the strong winds blowing against the Obama Administration and their disastrous efforts in Washington, DC.  Barack Obama is clearly in over his head and has no idea how to lead a nation.  Barack Obama is a smart man, but a great leader of a nation he is not.  That’s a mistake that America can help correct in the 2010 Congressional elections and the 2012 Presidential election.

However, let’s be clear, the office of the Governor of Georgia isn’t located in DC, it’s in Atlanta.  The next Governor is going to have to work on a host of issues that have been bubbling up under the surface for a long time and have now finally reached a boiling point (taxes, traffic, quality of life, jobs). Georgia is going to need a Governor who can focus 110% of their time on the greater good of all Georgians and improving Georgia’s future.  Georgia is also going to need a Governor who can’t be bought.

As a candidate for Governor, Nathan Deal has not been honest about his financial dealings, disclosures, or other potential liabilities that may exist. It is clear that he has immediate items that require his attention and therefore will not be able to focus on the betterment of the entire state.  Additionally, he used his Congressional office to try and continue a sweetheart arrangement with the state.  Because of the lack of disclosure, we also now know that Deal participated in creating a company with his cronies that made hundreds of thousands of dollars off of his official Congressional travel.  It might have been legal, but it sure wasn’t ethical and he worked pretty hard to conceal these items from the voting public.  The jury is still out as to the status of a possible federal grand jury investigation.  There was a time when people with as much baggage as Nathan Deal has would never have run for office.  The pure shame associated with their greed and corruption would have been enough to have discouraged them from making the decision to run.  In all fairness, Deal kept his issues hidden from his supporters for a very long time.  Yet, even when they came to light, some chose to double down in their support.  It does make me wonder about their own ethics and priorities, but that is a subject for another time.

Based on his record, Nathan Deal is not a conservative.  If anything, he’s a man who was willing to draw the last straw in his desperate campaign to win the Republican nomination by seizing on homophobia, fear, and lies.  Before going to Congress, Nathan Deal voted for the largest tax increase in the history of Georgia.  Furthermore,  as a Member of Congress, Nathan Deal voted against parental notification for minors seeking an abortion.   Additionally, Nathan Deal voted over ten times to raise the debt ceiling from about $1 trillion when he got there to over $7 trillion by the time he was forced to leave because of an ethics investigation.  When asked in the run-off debates if he’d support Karen Handel as the Republican nominee, Nathan Deal said that he would not commit to supporting her.

I know most people are going to treat what I say as sour grapes because I was a Karen Handel staffer.  Georgia Republicans had the opportunity to nominate a Chris Christie type straight talking no nonsense public servant in Karen Handel, and while they did not, I do not have sour grapes about that decision.  As a loyal Republican, there is no requirement that I check my common sense at the door in casting a ballot for my elected officials.  To be certain, there are parts of the Republican Party scrambling to pull every stop to try and get Nathan Deal elected and my speaking out will likely put me in small company within the party.  If you are upset about any of this, be upset with Nathan Deal for having so many distracting issues and for insisting on running for Governor even when he knew these items would be distracting.  There are just too many questions surrounding Nathan Deal and his lack of transparency and arrogance regarding those that question his record is very concerning and defies common sense and it certainly is something that should encourage you to cast a vote against him.

Every election is about choices.  Let’s be clear, knowing that the General Assembly is at no risk of switching hands from the Republican Party made my decision to support and vote for a candidate other than that of my party’s choice much easier.  I think it might actually cause some clear thinking and rational debate to take place should my candidate be successful in winning this election.

Let’s be clear about the choices you have in this election:

1. You can vote for Nathan Deal and throw ethics, honesty, and integrity out the door.  If you complain about politics as usual and the corruption that ensues from it, then you will have no one but yourself to blame.  You will also be sending a contradictory message to your children about the aforementioned values.  For a man running on the tag line that he’ll get it right the first time, Nathan Deal is on the third or fourth modification of his disclosures and even those weren’t done right and require revisions.

2. You can cast a vote for John Monds.  If the Libertarian candidate for Governor gets 20% of the vote, they will be granted ballot access and it will permanently change the dynamics of politics in Georgia from here on out.  Essentially, this punts the race for Governor into a runoff though and extends this mess beyond Thanksgiving.

3. You can do what I decided to do.  You can cast a vote for the candidate for Governor who is the most fiscally conservative and who has the entire state of Georgia’s bests interests in mind.  You can cast a vote for Roy Barnes.  First and foremost, Roy Barnes didn’t have to run for Governor.  He didn’t need to run for Governor.  His business interests (loans and ability to get loans) aren’t contingent upon his being Governor.  Despite the best efforts of some groups, Roy Barnes is not a big government Democrat and in fact, the CATO Institute, in a report co-authored by Stephen Moore, rated Roy Barnes as one of the 3 best Governors in the country in 2002, coming just behind Republicans Bill Owens of Colorado and Jeb Bush of Florida.  This idea that Barnes is somehow a radical liberal of the left just isn’t true.  Was Roy Barnes aggressive in his efforts to get things done as Governor?  Yes.  Perhaps if more of our elected officials showed a little aggressiveness they wouldn’t need to stay in office so long to get things done.


      • B Balz says:

        I know, it is one thing for a citizen to advocate changing Parties, another for a guy who derives his income from politics to do so.

        I respect Clint’s decision to make his choice public.

      • Kellie says:

        Joshua said “You know you can’t take this back, right?”

        Josh – What does that comment even mean? Is that a threat or Does Clint get put on an enemy’s list now because he does not support Nathan Deal? I don’t get it.

    • SFrazier says:

      Clint,you are the biggest loser known to man. You lost, get over it. This is not the first loss you have had. In fact, have you won any race in the last 4 years? I take comfort in the fact that you are supporting Barnes, it means Deal will win easy.

    • B Balz says:

      (Regret cross post ‘new comments’ is broken, at least for me…and I wanted this to be seen.

      Lady Thinker October 11, 2010 at 12:09 am

      You give yourself way too much credit for influencing me in any way. You don’t have what it takes, especially after that threatening comment you made several months back.


      B Balz October 11, 2010 at 10:01 am

      Lady Thinker:

      If comments by an anonymous blogger upset you, please accept my most sincere regrets. However, it must be noted, you make no bones about being well-armed in real life.

      I am concerned that an angry, armed woman is upset with me!

      I have stated here, many times, blogs are about ideas and less about the individuals presenting them.

      To suggest that my writing correlates, in any way, to a real life threat is simply wrong. Again, you are the one who displays an impressive knowledge of small arms, and boasts ownership of same…

      You asked me what you did to upset me, and I never did answer that question. To me, anyone who simply repeats ranting rhetoric is annoying, but nothing more.

      If you want to make this a personal issue, then continue to feel aggrieved. Otherwise, feel free to meet me at a PP event. You will see I am most civil, law abiding, and downright charming.

      My comments above were meant in gentle jest. Best luck to you, neighbor.

      • Lady Thinker says:

        “I am concerned that an angry, armed woman is upset with me!”

        Don’t be that concerned. I can leave the guns at home for at least ONE night. Charlie, Clint, and John Konop have met me and they aren’t afraid of me, well, not that they have said anyway.

        I am just a little ole southern born and bred woman who happens to be very good with…never mind.

  1. Jawgadude says:

    Yep, the grapes seems a little sour here. There are just as many of not more reasons to vote against Barnes. So if Barnes and Deal are no-good and you just can’t vote Libertarian, what do you do? I think Shiflett hit the nail on the head.

  2. Jane says:

    Purdue was not exactly a conservative Republican either. Isakson, and Chambliss are not totally in bed with the conservatives on many issue either. While Deal is not as solid as I would like, he is a slight improvement over Purdue. As for Barnes, he would be a disaster during a redistricting fight and for the good of the party and the conservative movement Barnes cannot be allowed to win.

      • Clint says:

        Too many people are voting for the “party” instead of what’s best for the “state and it’s people”.

    • Clint says:

      The Republican General Assembly will draw the districts. They will both serve as a safety valve on one another from runaway partisanship. Redistricting is not a reason enough to trust the check book of Georgia with someone who has demonstrated an absolute inability to balance a budget or manage their own finances without help from the state.

  3. GeorgiaOnMyMind says:

    When Roy Barnes explains how he will fund his $2B+ in new spending and campaign promises without raising taxes, he may regain some credibility. Instead of trashing Nathan, Roy should spend some time talking about the issues.

    • Clint says:

      Pointing out the real liabilities that Nathan Deal faces is necessary since he continues to lies and the status quo is helping cover up his lies. It’s a dangerous road to go down for our state.

  4. Clint says:

    As for the conservative movement, there are many great conservative Republicans running across the country that I’m pretty sure if it becomes dependent on a Nathan Deal victory for it’s beach head that we’ll really need to really get some serious help.

    Of the two candidates – Roy Barnes or Nathan Deal – Barnes is the more conservative candidate. Barnes didn’t run spending up through the rough in Congress that got us into this financial mess. Barnes wasn’t dependent on a state contract to prop up his salvage business and he certainly didn’t use his position to intimidate others into preserving the program.

    You just calling Deal a conservative doesn’t make it so anymore than me calling a bird a squirrel.

    • rightofcenter says:

      Wow, another pathetic loser trying to rationalize his bitterness. Barnes is the more conservative? Actually posting such a comment should be enough to cause you to lose frontpage privileges. What a f’ing idiot you are.

      • Three Jack says:

        said the blind loyalist as he continues to try and defend the indefensible.

        roc, you do a good job of showcasing just how hypocritical the gop in georgia has become. blast barnes for his legitimate legal practice while supporting a washed up old fart who will do whatever it takes to enrich himself at taxpayer expense.

        • rightofcenter says:

          I am not a blind loyalist. I happen to like Nathan Deal. I also happen to really dislike Roy Barnes (as a politician – I don’t know him as a person). I also haven’t blasted Barnes for his legal practice (legal or otherwise) – other than his role in trying to get the voter id law overturned. I think that speaks volumes about his philosophy. As for Deal “enriching himself at taxpayer expense” – I’m not familiar with that charge. Perhaps you can enlighten.

          • Three Jack says:

            he’s been on the public payroll for decades roc. and instead of being satisfied with that income, he took it a step further with all the financial shenanigans…state deal for salvage business, insolvent banks loaning him money then being closed by the govt with taxpayers on the hook for bad loans….i can go on, but i think you see what i mean.

            clint speaks for a large number of former gopers, many of whom were in leadership positions at some level of the party here in ga. you call him a “pathetic loser” for deciding not to support an unethical nominee. thus you label thousands more like him as “pathetic losers”. you represent the arrogance of the gop well, intentionally or not.

            • B Balz says:

              Interesting dialogue, I find many of my friends, colleagues, many are having similar searching conversations. Several lifelong GOP’ers are saying, “I am for whomever gets me health insurance.” Others say, at what cost to the Nation?

              The GOP has not lead our Nation to a position which any rational thinker enjoys. Some will blame the opposition but I surmise that voting for a Dem is not the answer either.

              Both Parties are to blame for the current state of affairs. I choose to believe that more good will come from GOP fiscally conservative actions, than will come from anything else.

              • John Konop says:

                B Balz,

                The politicians are merely a reflection of the people. Most polls show most people want less government and spending put under control. Yet the same polls will show when you break it down by area jobs, Medicare, Social Security, GI benefits….. people want more spending by government.

                The truth we have candidates in general from both parties telling us all we get something for nothing.

                Problem on the right:

                The truth is cutting taxes without cutting spending is fiscally irresponsible. And this policy has left us with a large IOU that we must pay for eventually.

                Problem with the left:

                The truth we cannot afford to solve all of society’s problems. And people will always fall through the cracks.

                Problem on the Left and Right:

                Entitlements like Medicare….are going broke and we must increase the age requirements, raise prices and have major cut backs or system will blow-up!

                Most people know in their hearts what I have been saying for years is the truth. Yet what I am saying is not very popular.

                  • B Balz says:

                    I see solutions more at balanced spending and cutting corporate giveaways.

                    Should the highest percentage of the US population face a tax increase? Should anyone? Not now, let’s balance our spending issues, lower costs (fraud and abuse), and gain efficiency.

                    How about just balancing the current spending models, reduce loopholes for businesses, specialty deductions?

                    We are a rich Nation, the answer is in balance, not just ‘on and off’. How many F-35’s are needed? Society should not support lifetime housing for anybody. Those, and a million others, are policy areas where we can make changes.

                    Surpluses are not good, I agree with that.

                  • John Konop says:


                    The John Konop solution is to lower spending and associate the fee cost to a service when possible. If you forced entitlements to be revenue neutral you would see a major behavior difference with Medicare…… Anytime you disassociate the cost with the service people in general people do not treat the service with the proper respect.

                    Bottom line I would raise fees on elective services. And if that was the case you would see cost cutting and efficiency ideas faster than…..

                    The next time we go to war I would charge a war surplus fee to make it revenue neutral.

                    • Lady Thinker says:


                      In order for some of your suggestions to work, mandatory retirement has to go out the window. Then we can raise the SS age for retirement.

                    • gatormathis says:

                      “Then we can raise the SS age for retirement.”

                      The belief in the Utopian Society…where everyone lives to 112 yrs old… a misnomer. I see people talking about raising the age where people retire, to save on SS Benefeits so you can draw them later. 62…65…70…how old do you think people will get to be??? Instead of saving back for the retirees, most of whom have worked diligently and paid in for many years, to the point they are lucky to live to retirement, and I sit here and think of so many who paid in to leave this ole world way before 62/65/especially 70. They got nothing in return for their investment. There is more money to be saved from those taking advantage of the system than those living so long that they tax it very much……..

                    • John Konop says:


                      You could make the same argument about insurance.

                      …..I sit here and think of so many who paid in to leave this ole world way before 62/65/especially 70…..

                      At the end of the day the average person pays in 1 dollar for every 3 dollars they get in service for Medicare. Any way you slice it that is not viable long term.

                    • B Balz says:

                      @gatormathis: I agree with everything you said, raising the age to receive SS benefits is hugely unfair, unpopular and political suicide.

                      For years WE THE PEOPLE allowed our reps to ‘raid the cookie jar’ replacing SS cash with IOU’s based on the ‘full faith and credit’ of the US Govt. It paid for Vietnam and has been going on ever since.

                      The issue, today, is that without a hugely unpopular, politically suicidal move like raising the age of retirement, not paying COLA increases [have not been paid for two years] the whole program is going to go bust. The actual date and time is predicted with actuarial certainty.

                      WAKE UP y’all, this is not a partisan issue. Will will handle it with the skill and finesse we handled healthcare ??? [Satirical]

                      I don’t know the answer, but I do know BOTH parties are complicit in this charade.

                • Three Jack says:


                  the problem is mainly with fiscal liberals of both parties. it is not a gop v. dem problem although the majority of big govt spenders have a jackass for their logo.

                  the gop will get a mulligan this year after they failed to reign in government during their period of control. let’s see what happens this time, at least on the federal level…ga is still faced with more liberal gopers in power for at least a bit longer.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              So according to Three jack, any elected official who has any type of pay is enriching themselves at tax payer expense. It’s also not OK for them to make any money other than from their tax payer salary. And to end, loans are in default when a payment hasn’t been missed. Got it.

              • Three Jack says:

                doug, i have absolutely no problem with a congressman maintaining their private business as long as that business does not derive most or all of it’s revenue from government contracts (written or unwritten). even more worrisome is when a sitting congressman blatantly ignores ethical standards (if not the law) by using his office for personal business as deal has done on numerous occasions.

                congressman tom price could have continued to practice medicine after being elected. but he decided to devote his time and efforts to public service thus the reason why he is already in a gop leadership position after only a few years in dc. your boy deal still languishes at the level of a freshman because he only sought public office as a means to enrich himself. he has accomplished nothing in 18 years as a dem/gop legislator.

                • Doug Grammer says:

                  You have your opninion and I have mine.

                  Congressman Deal was not working at the salvage yard everyday. He was a passive partner. He put up money and got a return on it. There is no law preventing congressmen from getting business from goverment contracts. It’s your opnion that Congressman Deal used his office for personal gain. There are no conclusions from any body of authority to support that opinion.

                  However there are records that Gov. Barnes puchased a home in 2002 that increased 47 times in value. And he doesn’t like Congressman Deal’s math?

                  I’m not going to go over Congressman Deal’s legislative record with you if you are too lazy to look it up.

                    • B Balz says:

                      Is your screen persona too polemic, ignorant or stupid to acknowledge that Rep. Deal’s Bill to disallow illegal aliens from getting Medicare benefits will save the Treasury millions?

                      Get your facts straight. Otherwise, your credibility is nothing more than a disillusioned gadfly.

                  • Yet you were too lazy to look up that this property that “increased 47 times in value” didn’t really increase in value 47 times… the tax assessor simply caught it up to where it should have been from $8919 to $425k (I believe?) for a total of 70.5 acres. Though if you know somewhere I can purchase 70.5 acres in Cobb County for $8919, please let me know… I’ll pay cash.

      • John Konop says:


        I know and like Clint from the few times I have interacted with him. I have not always agreed with Clint on issues and candidates, but I do think he is very thoughtful and sincere about his political positions.

        You may disagree with Clint but the personal nasty attacks on him are uncalled for!

        • rightofcenter says:

          You’re right. They’re probably uncalled for. On the other hand, I think his attacks on Deal are personal, nasty, and uncalled for as well. Considering he is a (formerly) Republican operative, I think his personal, nasty, and uncalled for comments on Deal are a significantly bigger problem than mine (an anonymous political nobody). I think this is proven by the glee with which Jim Galloway (no friend of Republicans or conservatives) posted his comments at the AJC.

  5. I Am Jacks Post says:

    The last dying gasp of HandelMacGinnitiePundit . . .

    Losing campaign staffers get front page status?

  6. joe says:

    “2. You can cast a vote for John Monds. If the Libertarian candidate for Governor gets 20% of the vote, they will be granted ballot access and it will permanently change the dynamics of politics in Georgia from here on out.”

    A sytem that offers choices between Barnes and Deal should have its dynamics changed. Neither party has nominated a good candidate, and neither party has nominated the best that they have. They two party system in Georgia is broken; this year may be the best opportunity to scrap it.

    • lively64 says:

      I am with Joe. Let’s put a scare into the status quo of both parties by introducing a third party that has equal access to the ballot.

  7. Nixonstheone says:

    No thanks, Clint, and no matter – I’m not voting “for” Deal, but against Barnes. Bottom line for many: I despise him.

  8. Junius says:

    I share Clint’s concerns. I’m not a “big guv liberal” but I do have real character concerns about Deal. And I’m not going to throw my vote away in a foolish attempt to let the neo-anarchist anti government party run the government. On King Roy, lest we forget, the single largest contributing factor to his defeat was not the ugly blue flag or his arrogance. It was his willingness, perhaps naive perhaps noble, to take on the teachers by implementing the very policies that GWB and the GOP in DC were pushing.

  9. B Balz says:

    I would NOT switch pol Parties, if Ms. Handel actually won the GOP nomination. As it stands now, many here feel jumping ship is the best choice for them. Go for it, you MUST vote your conscience.

    That choice is not for me. I have read through pages of OCE and other documents. The allegations made above are, at best, specious, at worst, politically driven. There is smoke, some of it generated by the opposition, I surmise at the highest [READ: POTUS] levels. To suggest a Deal governorship will be consumed by these allegations is an unknown.

    We have watched this PP-centric DRAMA unfold, and ought to be astounded at the cumulative hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth surrounding the outcome of this gubernatorial primary. The fact I find most amazing is how quick Ms. Handels’s stalwarts immediately suggested their intention to switch Parties. Sour grapes nary begins to describe this phenomena.

    I like to think that I vote for the person best for the job, regardless of their pol Party. Fact is, I usually vote GOP unless faced with overwhelming logic to change. That happened once with Jimmy Carter, because I surmised he would be good for Georgia, as President. He was good for Georgia, but less good for America.

    Roy was not a good Governor and he was fired.

    Rep. Deal has an enviable work ethic, support of the legislators (Almost all of whom I believe are good people), and an understanding of the Federal process. The latter point, unfortunately, is hugely important.

    To me, those who campaigned hard for Ms. Handel, and who now advocate changing Party affiliations because voters did not choose THEIR candidate, are a bit mixed-up. Why not advocate for Roy in the first place? Is he now magically better?

    Capitulation of all pol values due to a campaign loss seems unusual and illogical. But then I am not a political operative, just an ol’ cash taxpayer.

    I surmise the bar tab in Athens will be pretty reasonable given the all ‘tears in your beers’.

    • “I like to think that I vote for the person best for the job, regardless of their pol Party.”

      But yet when other people vote for the person they think is best for the job, regardless of their political party, it’s “switching parties” or “changing party affiliations”? I like to think that people are a bit more independent than just clinging to whatever candidate is nominated by the party they usually support. But yes, some people feel they must vote based on the letter beside the candidate’s name no matter how poor of a choice they are. Personally, I vote a mixed ticket… some L’s, some R’s and some D’s.

      • B Balz says:

        I know that is what you believe, and I respect your point of view. You will concur that we discussed our current system of governance is a ‘team sport’.

        It is that way, like it or not. Philosophically, I agree with you. Admittedly, the GOP has done a poor job in some areas, big ones.

        Yet,given that the de facto standard is either Dem or GOP, picking and choosing candidates, or even switching Parties, really doesn’t change much. In the end you are supporting both. (Most big businesses do this, and that leads to anther issue….)

        A viable third Party would be a gamechanger, but the LP has yet to prove itself able to garner enough support. I thought this cycle would be different for the LP, but the polls are not supporting that.

        • Agreed… the polls aren’t quite showing what I expected. But then again, the only poll that matters it the one on November 2nd. I’m hoping all this stuff against Deal didn’t hit so early that by now people are just tired of it and are pretty much over it and are just resigned to voting R anyways. I wonder if it came out closer to November 2nd if it would be more of a game changer.

          • B Balz says:

            We are a Red State, in an extremely anti-National Dem year.

            I don’t think much would change the outcome, except for a blockbuster. And nobody is producing a mysterious binder gimmick…

          • TPNoGa says:

            I can’t speak for everyone, but my family is pretty tuned-in to politics. The are not politicos by any stretch, but they pay attention. They have accepted that Deal may be a little crooked, but they think ALL politicians are a little bit crooked. So, the ethics argument doesn’t seem to stick with them. They all voted for Handel in the runoff. They all still plan to vote for Deal in November.

    • Lady Thinker says:


      If Eric Johnson, or Jeff Chapman, or if Austin Scott had stayed in the race, and any of them had won over Karen, I would have been disappointed BUT I would have supported any one of the three. Heck, I would have even supported Oxendine and that is saying volumes, but I cannot in any way, shape, or form, support deal.

      • AnyoneElse2010 says:

        If you honestly think that Deal is worse then Oxendine then you have lost ALL credibility. Can you name anything that Nathan Deal has been convicted of. Has anything actually been filed or followed up by the Ethic Commission in the State of Georgia? Did you read the OCE? It was extremely non-conclusive.

        I liked Karen, but do you HONESTLY think that she was completely clean? Do you not think that something would have been dug up on her? What about her taking money from a company that produces and runs electronic voting machines….the same ones that Georgia uses. You think that is clean. Come on get over yourself. Karen lost and Nathan won.

        Barnes isn’t ethical in his leadership style. Ethics isn’t ethics just because a panel says so. Ethics is something that is practiced day in and day out, and if this is the case Barnes is shallow in the ethical pool.

        The only one in this race who may be completely clean is Monds…it’s just to bad he can’t put a comprehensive sentence together once he gets on camera.

  10. John Douglas says:

    Clint: I was very disappointed to read your entry. As you know, I endorsed Karen early and gladly stuck with her throughout her campaign. Additionally, there were few if any more conservative members of the GA Senate than me. Unlike you, I am now wholeheartedly supporting our candidate, Nathan Deal, as is Karen. You will recall that Karen in a most gracious concession statement on runoff night threw her support to Nathan realizing that party unity is vital to keeping conservative government in Georgia.

    Now you have said here you will support Roy Barnes for Governor. While that is your choice, it belies your talk of conservative philosophy and ideas for Georgia government. Roy already talks about increased spending and other typically Democratic big government solutions. You can bet he will warm quickly to Obama once the election is behind him and it wont be long before his new pals in Washington come calling on us here.

    On the national level, this is an election to save our country from the most extreme leftist policies ever. On the state level, this is an election to ensure the average Georgian can rely on his/her state government to do what is right and use common sense to guide us the next four years. There is only one candidate in this race who fits that bill and it is Nathan Deal. You need to join almost every other former Karen Handel supporter and come on board before you make a terrible mistake and vote for Roy Barnes. Let’s move forward, not backwards in this state.

    • Mr. Douglas – you do realize, of course, that Nathan Deal once called himself a Democrat. (Actually, pretty recently in Columbus when he introduced himself as the Democratic Party’s nominee for Governor.) Are you suggesting that his we forget about his voting record in Washington and call him a conservative anyways? A social conservative he may be, but a fiscal conservative he is not. Putting lipstick on a pig and calling it Miss America just won’t fly with me.

    • DTK says:

      John Douglas needs a job, so John Douglas gets on board with Nathan Deal. John Douglas hopes John Douglas’ support lands John Douglas a nice, cushy job on the Transportation Board or some other state agency. If Roy Barnes wins, then John Douglas has to find a job in private sector, and that makes John Douglas sad because John Douglas knows John Douglas is ill-equipped to find a private sector job after a lifetime of government work.

  11. bgsmallz says:

    From the Cato institute article cited…I think it’s worth seeing some of the meat of the article.

    “Roy Barnes of Georgia may be the pre-eminent tax-cutting Democrat on the national scene. In his first year in office he pushed a Taxpayer Bill of Rights that has saved Georgia homeowners $350 million so far. He has also cut the unemployment insurance tax in Georgia, resulting in tax relief of over $1 billion to businesses and workers. He now wants to cut the state capital gains tax. When the recession hit, Mr. Barnes imposed a freeze on state hiring and made across-the-board cuts of 2.5% in the 2002 budget and 5% in the 2003 budget. No wonder Gov. Barnes is considered a potential presidential contender.”

    Deal needs to fully disclose his financial records and the results of the ethics investigation before I vote for him.

    “The people have a right, an indisputable, unalienable, indefeasible, divine right to that most dreaded and envied kind of knowledge – I mean of the character and conduct of their rulers.”
    — John Adams

  12. TPNoGa says:


    I don’t question your sincerity, and you make some good points. But isn’t endorsing the Democratic candidate in such a public manner going to hurt your ability to work for future GOP campaigns? This just seems to be such a career limiting move on your part.

    • Ramblinwreck says:

      I think it’s telling that we’ve sunk to a point in political discourse where taking a stand and refusing to support a candidate who is ethically challenged is considered a possible disqualifier for working on future campaigns. Is a willingness to check your integrity at the door a requirement for working on a political campaign now? I am amazed at the number of people who are still willing to overlook all the obfuscation, outright deception and gaming the system to justify voting for this candidate. Obviously there are still a bunch of people willing to put party ahead of principle and ignore activity they wouldn’t condone in their own lives just to win an election.

      • B Balz says:

        A good part of my mind WANTS to believe in Roy. As well, I thought that Junius offered compelling logic.

        Yet, GA on my Mind’s question trumps. How do we pay $2Bn in campaign promises in a budget year facing a $1Bn+ deficit? That is not believable.

        I suggest our FPP’s read Rep. Deals “plan’ and let’s discuss.

        • Junius says:

          In the interest of full disclosure, I haven’t decided who I am going to vote for yet or if I am even going to cast a vote in the governor’s race. I do consider myself a Republican and don’t remember ever having this much trouble making a decision in an election. Maybe Deal’s ok, I don’t really know. All I know for certain is that he is a one time Democrat, was a largely unknown backbench congressman for a very long time and that his ethical and financial straights make him look a whole lot like the archetype of a shady pol playing the angles for his own financial advantage.

          Ga on My Mind is correct that Roy’s promises don’t add up. However, I don’t see how that means very much since he would have to deal with a GOP legislature. Neither he nor Deal will have much room for spending if the State is to preserve its credit rating. Based on what I know of both men, neither is shortsighted enough to imperil that rating. More likely Roy would put all that garbage in his budget and make mean-ole Ralston take it out.

          Whoever is elected is taking over a whopping mess and won’t get much thanks from the voters in four years. The state has cut and cut and cut some more. Still, much more is going to have to be done to get the long term finances of the state in order. Even without Obama healthcare mandates Medicade was eating us alive. Painful entitlement cuts and eventual revenue increases (when the Feds finally stop sending us borrowed money) will both eventually be required if we are to provide Georgians with even the most basic services that we have grown accustomed to since the 1950s. Who will do a better job of handling the mess? I really don’t know but somehow feel at a gut level that Deal doesn’t have the heft to deal with it nor the sense to listen to people who do.

          That all being said, I am eager for someone to persuade me otherwise. I can assure you I am saving my vote until election day – praying I learn something about one of these guys that makes the choice clear.

          • Lady Thinker says:

            As I recall, Zell Miller was a die-hard Democrat but he got tired of the problems near the end of Clinton’s term and as a Democrat, came out for Republican George Bush. Miller has stayed a Democrat, but he got burned out for a period of time, just like some of us Republicans are burned out at this time. Our dissatisfaction won’t last forever, but it will probably affect this election.

              • rightofcenter says:

                Actually, Clint, Lady Thinker has her facts wrong (as usual). Zell didn’t support George Bush in 2000, but did endorse him for re-election in 2004, even before the primaries. As for his dissatisfaction with the Dems, I think it pretty much lasted forever. He’s not a very good example of someone regaining favor in their political party – he’s pretty much burned those bridges to the ground.

                • Lady Thinker says:

                  Okay, you got me by four years. It is unusual that I am wrong but I can admit when I am, can you?

                  Although Miller has been dissatisfied for quite some time, he hasn’t made the switch to the “R” yet.

                  • rightofcenter says:

                    I promise to admit it when I am wrong, if that ever occurs. Just joking. I am wrong frequently, and have no trouble admitting it. For example, I could be wrong on Nathan Deal. But I hope not.

      • rightofcenter says:

        I am amazed at the number of people (on this blog – not in the real world) who are so sanctimonius about their integrity and their principles. I can tell, from your posts, that you are a very judgmental sort. If only everyone could be as principled and pure as you, what a wonderful world it would be. Spare us.

          • rightofcenter says:

            David, obviously you don’t get my point. I don’t think someone should compromise their integrity or their principles – but I REALLY don’t think someone should get on a soapbox and pontificate to the world that THEY are standing on their integrity and principles. There’s no way to do that without implying that others who disagree with you have less integrity and are less principled than you. I guess I value humility a little more than some.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          Well I am a Myers-Brigg’s ISTJ. Actually a borderline I/ESTJ and the “J” does stand for judgemental, so guilty as charged.

      • TPNoGa says:

        I understand your point. But, if you are a consultant, it’s not good business practice to endorse your biggest customer’s competitor. What if I am a consultant to Coca-Cola and I do a commercial where I blast Coke Zero as a horrible beverage and tell everyone they should drink Pepsi Max instead. Would you seriously expect Coke to hire me again? Even if I REALLY think Coke Zero sucks and would destroy the brand of Coke?

        Look up Northwest Airline’s commercial where they announced the banned smoking on all flight (1987). This marketing campaign and commercial were produced by Sachi and Sachi. Problem was Sachi and Sachi’s largest client was RJR Nabisco. Guess what? RJR fired Sachi and Sachi and the ad company had to lay off approximately 10% of its workforce. It may have been unfair for RJR to fire them over one commercial, but they did. Maybe the powers that be at S&S really felt it was in the public interest to ban smoking on all flights, but I guess RJR felt it was in their best interest not to associate with someone who advocates against their interest.

        Maybe candidates in the GOP will feel it is not in their best interest to hire a consultant who endorsed a rival party for the top spot in the state. Maybe not fair, but it is allowed.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          I guess it could depend on the future “R” candidate who may be just as disillusioned at the moment.

      • Lady Thinker says:


        Do you think those of us who support principles over party are really in the minority or do you think our numbers are approaching the majority at the moment?

  13. Bill30097 says:

    Clint, you need to post when sober. Deal is certainly more conservative than Eric Holder’s toady, Karen Handel. No true conservative would do what she did in not telling Holder to pound salt. By the way I will vote Libertarian in round 1 but in round 2 you would have to be a liberal to vote for King Roy

  14. Doug Grammer says:

    And today on Anti-Deal Pundit….

    Do I even need to say anything? Nothing new has been said. Nothing new is proven. Is Congressman Deal the perfect candidate? No, they don’t exist.

    Clint says that Congressman Deal voted for the largest tax increase in Georgia when he was a state senator 21 years ago, but I’m willing to bet that if Gov. Barnes were in the State Senate with him at the time, he makes the same vote. By setting the state sales tax at 4%, the legislature raised the state sales tax from 3% to 4%. The bill passed by a vote of 129 to 40. Congressman Deal (and I) are in favor of consumption based taxes instead of punishing those who earn more with a progressive tax structure.

    The American Conservative Union give Deal a 100% rating for 2009 and a lifetime rating of 90%. You may talk about birds and squirrels all you like, but I’ll take their word over yours.

    If Barnes is so conservative, why did he give more money than the legal limit to President Obama? He had to get a refund because he likes him so much.

    How about addressing real issues, and the differences between the candidates? Jobs, transportation, water, illegal immigration, tax policy….or you may continue to bash, bash, bash.

    My option is to vote for Congressman Deal….and I have already done so.

    • Monica says:

      So financial corruption and using Congressional office to stuff his own pockets is not a “real issue?” Does it even get anymore real than that these days? No, there are no perfect candidates, but that doesn’t mean you should vote for a crook just because he voted a few times consistently with what his district wanted to get reelected and continute the cozy financial ride he set up for himself…

      • rightofcenter says:

        Perhaps you have the “binder” on Deal then? I wasn’t aware he was accused of using his Congressional office to stuff his pockets. Please do tell us about this new charge. And a crook, even? Please refer us to the indictments and convictions that you are aware of that the rest of the world isn’t.

      • Doug Grammer says:


        My challenge is out and NO ONE has proven with FACTS otherwise. Prove to us that Congressman Deal has made $1 more than he would have if he were not a Congressman. It’s not like he gave a $10K scholarship to his daughter with congressional money. And what has he been convicted of? Are you buying into that soviet mantra of tell a lie often enough and it will become the truth?

      • Doug Grammer says:


        I call him President Obama. The President announcing he was a Republican would not be enough for me to support him. He’d have to fire most of his czars, replace his cabinet, announce policies that I agreed with (the majority of them anyway) and raise money for GOP candidates and parties. Then I could think about forgiving him.

  15. 1. Reapportionment
    2. Judicial Appointments
    3. Board Appointments
    4. 2012

    No thanks Clint. Hades would freeze over before supporting an egomaniac like Roy Barnes. He and his staff’s meddling in a local government affair and investigation compelling reasons not to support Barnes under any circumstances.

    • From what I’ve read, it sounds to me like that local government was meddling in a national affair and investigation and it took the Governor of the state stepping in to get the local egomaniac out of the way of the FBI.

      • Nope, it was the County government that spearheaded the whole thing. There were rumors of illegal activity, but no solid evidence. The Commission pursued zoning violations and asked the sheriff to enforce, which he did. This gave Sheriff Sills the opportunity to investigate the larger issue, which he did. Barnes involvement was simply political posturing and called Sheriff Sills telling him to back off.

        When Sills had enough evidence that involved interstate trafficking of minors for sexual deviancy, he got the feds involved.

        Max Wood has said repeatedly that without Sills persistence, this man would be raping kids today. It was Barnes lust for power that drug this out.

        Waiting on Bowersville’s snarky remark……

        • bowersville says:

          Nathan Deal and his staff have already proved they possess the knowledge and skill to get to where they are today. It is quite possible and likely that Nathan Deal will be the next Governor. There is no doubt in my mind that if elected, Nathan and staff will have the ability and access to those in law enforcement circles that Governor Perdue retained with in the Georgia State Patrol and the GBI that were there and have direct knowledge of Sheriff Sills and the Nuwabians. There is one with in those ranks that knows all sides. The state and Federal, they’ll figure it out.

          I normally don’t take time to entertain fools but I broke that premise when I entertained you.

            • bowersville says:

              Maurice you started out by using quotes to accuse the GBI and the FBI with interfering with justice. That is accusing people who take an oath to the Constitution of Georgia and the Constitution of the United States and an oath of office of a felony. They do not take a loyalty oath to a Governor or President. And you have no proof of a felony.

              Then you accuse a sitting Governor of leaning on a state prosecutor to reduce 2000 felony charges to 200 charges to go easy on a deviant child molester. When I informed you the charges were Federal and some one else thought it was Max Woods the US Attorney that handled the case, you backed off that. Interference with Justice by a sitting Governor the way you stated it is a felony. You have no proof as it was a US Attorney prosecuting, not a state attorney.

              If you think me a coward or fool I have nothing to prove to you nor will I concern myself with your opinion of me. Had you kept it political, I would have said nothing.

              • Send In The Clowns: Roy Barnes, Tyrone Brooks and Malachi York
                By: Bill Knowles

                The Republican Governors’ race of 2010 has been a wild and crazy ride for me. I have chosen not to write about it up until this point as to begin with I was very heavily involved with one campaign. That candidate lost in the primary and now the runoff is history and I am supporting former Congressman Nathan Deal. Although I have worked for and with other candidates, each candidate has different ideas, platforms and personalities, but they all have one thing in common: In my opinion, they are all better for the people of Georgia than former Governor Roy Barnes. I do not say that half-heartedly or with reservation for a host of different reasons, but the one I have the greatest concern about I’ll be sharing with you in this column. Is it the Georgia flag that he ramrodded down the throats of Georgians? No. Is it the fact that Georgia was 50th in the nation in education during the Barnes Administration? No. The reason that I cannot even think about another four years of Roy Barnes in the Governor’s Mansion on West Paces Ferry has to do with one person that most Middle Georgians will remember very well: Malachi York.

                For those of you who don’t remember Dwight ‘Malachi’ York, I’ll give you a quick recap of his colorful life. (Much of this is taken from the book “Ungodly” by Bill Osinski, a former writer for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.) York moved to Eatonton in the early 1990’s and built the Nuwabian compound called Tama-Re flush with Egyptian-styled pyramids and armed security. Before leaving his home in New York, York had been a singer with the group Passion, a member of the Black Panthers, plead guilty to raping a 13-year old girl, spent three years in prison for assault, possession of a dangerous weapon and resisting arrest, and had been being convicted of getting a passport with a forged birth certificate. In 1997, York tried to add a nightclub called “Club Ramses” to his existing “empire” when, it was discovered that several building codes had been violated and that no one had obtained a building permit. The Nuwaubians were less than hospitable to the county’s building inspector Dean Adams to say the least. Adams in turn felt it necessary to ask Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills to join him in trying to enforce the code and talk to the builders of the Nuwaubian nightclub. Sills was met with the same hospitality. Eventually, the nightclub would open and Sills would end up shutting it down for the various code violations and an inspection by a fire marshal that deemed it a fire-trap. Let’s fast forward to 1999 when a hearing was set to enforce all of the codes and regulations that York either ignored or did not comply with in building Tama-Re. What would happen in the months and days preceding the court hearing were strange to say the least, especially since each weird event involved former Governor Roy Barnes.

                In March of 1999 Sheriff Sills forwarded a letter to then Governor Barnes telling him the problems that he was having with York and the Nuwaubians and warned him about information he had collected about York while in New York prior to his move to Eatonton and wrote to the former Governor that “information we have obtained in the last several months is even worse.” Sills went on to report to Barnes that he believed that the Nuwaubians were trying “to racially divide the citizenry of this county.” He then went on to request a personal meeting with the Governor which fell upon deaf ears mainly due to the fact that Barnes was relying on State Representative Tyrone Brooks of Atlanta for his information regarding York and the Nuwabians. In a 2007 interview Barnes’ chief of staff Bobby Kahn stated that Barnes was “taking his cues” about York from Brooks; and for good reason, as far as Barnes was concerned: Barnes won the African-American vote by a landslide when he was elected in 1998 and Brooks was one of his biggest supporters. Further, Brooks is and was extremely influential as he is the President of the Georgia Association of Black Officials as well as being a very active member of the Georgia Legislative Black Caucus and according to Brooks’ website “he works every day in the movement towards full political empowerment of African-Americans in the ‘American Body Politic’ trying to register and educate 600,000 unregistered African-Americans in Georgia.” I forgot to mention that Brooks was a very frequent visitor to Tama-Re as well as several GBI agents who used the facilities to fish. Sills would feel it unwise to relay any information to the GBI as he felt there would be leaks back to Brooks for this reason. I asked the former U. S. Attorney Max Wood who prosecuted York if he felt that Sills was justified in not involving the GBI. Wood wrote that “Sheriff Sills probably had the right hunch to keep the GBI out of the loop on this one. He apparently feared that Barnes would interject himself into an investigation at the behast of Brooks. We will never know what might have happened.” (Brooks would later write in an article in the June 22, 2002 issue of The Macon Telegraph, that Sills conduct as a law enforcement agent was “insulting and disgraceful” yet told how much of a pleasure it was to work with the Nuwaubians as they lived in “peace and harmony—no cussing, no fussing, no drugs, no alcohol, no tobacco products”. In the same article he would again slam Sills and presumably Max Wood when he writes that he is “tired of unscrupulous white politicians riding the wave of victory on the backs of minorities.” (He could have been talking about his buddy Roy Barnes. He also forgot that the only people being oppressed by York were African-Americans. Instead of the cooperation from Governor Barnes that Sheriff Sills looked for, Sills was asked, “My God, Howard! Are you going to kill people over building permits?” It was clear to Sills that Barnes put politics over anything else. Apparently Barnes took the word of Brooks in lieu of the local Sheriff who had been investigating the situation. In a January 26, 2003 article in the Macon Telegraph, Sills called Barnes a “political whore”; and for good reason as explained in this article.

                A court date was set for June 29, 1999 to decide the code violations and ordinances broken or ignored by the Nuwaubians and Malachi York. A few weeks prior to that, a group of “Georgia Rangers” showed up in Eatonton to help keep order if necessary. Their leader, “Major” Ed Coughenour, himself on parole from North Carolina for embezzlement, had a letter with him given to him by Representative Brooks that stated, “Indeed we are very concerned that county officials in Putnam are trying to force the Nuwaubians into a violent confrontation. Whatever your agency can do to convince the county to just let these people live in peace will certainly be in the best interest of Ga.” And it was signed by the Representative himself. Later, Coughenhour and Brooks would have a face-to-face meeting in which Brooks told him that “a white cracker sheriff (is) messing with the Nuwaubians”, and then made it “very clear that the governor’s office was behind them,” meaning Coughenour’s Rangers. He then told Coughenour, “You don’t have to worry; the governor’s office is involved.” Cougenhour would later state that he had no reservations about taking the assignment, as “we were under the assumption that we were protected by the Governor of the State of Georgia.” During the same meeting, Coughenhour reported that Bobby Kahn entered Brooks’ office and gave Coughenhour four tickets valued at $250 apiece to an upcoming Barnes fundraiser, saying “If you can handle this, we’d really appreciate it,” now meaning the situation in Eatonton. Kahn later denied that this happened, however the tickets were found in Coughenhour’s possession when he was later arrested. Kahn did later confirm that he gave a copy of the Brooks letter to Barnes along with one of Coughenhour’s business cards during a briefing with Governor Barnes about the Putnam County situation.

                On the day prior to the hearing, June 28, 1999, Barnes took a more proactive stance in protection of York and the Nuwaubians. I spoke with Eatonton attorney Frank Ford who was the attorney representing Putnam County in the case. He told me that at about 4:00 PM on the 28th he received a call from Barnes. I asked him if he felt that Barnes was trying to intimidate him at all and he said that the whole conversation was an attempt to get Ford to cancel the hearing and in Ford’s words, “Barnes used strong arm tactics” to do so. Ford said Barnes told him, ‘You need to call it off!’” Ford refused to cooperate with the former Governor and would later say, “Can you imagine, the Governor of the State of Georgia calling a lawyer in one of the 159 counties in the state on a zoning matter?” I can’t imagine it either Mr. Ford.

                Barnes would also call Sheriff Sills on that day according to Mr. Ford. Sheriff Sills was unavailable for comment as he is working on a case right now, but has agreed to answer my questions about this which I will relay to you in my next column; however here is a portion of a letter written by Sheriff Sills to Milton Nix who was the director of the GBI just before the hearing on June 29th that will sum up the feelings that the Sheriff has towards our former Governor and his treatment of the case. Sills wrote, “I have the distinct impression that there is at least some reluctance on the part of the executive branch of the state government and its law enforcement personnel in providing assistance here in Putnam County.” He went on to tell Nix how “appalled” he was that there were leaks coming from the Governor’s office regarding a meeting about the situation in Eatonton that Sills had on June 24th in the Governor’s office with Representative Brooks, Bobby Kahn, Penny Brown-Reynolds, who was legal counsel to the governor, and two GBI agents. (According to Bill Osinksi’s book, Barnes had left the office for other business.)

                In a few weeks, Georgians will have the opportunity to re-hire Roy Barnes as our Governor. I urge you all to read this column and decide for yourself if he deserves another chance to be our Governor. As I have said, I will continue this column next time with my interview with Sheriff Howard Sills and other facts involving former Governor Barnes and this case. Keep something in mind, then-Attorney General John Ashcroft gave Sheriff Sills a citation for his management of the Nuwaubian case and Max Wood wrote to me that, “there are very few Sheriffs in the country who could have handled a situation like this. Howard Sills deserves every accolade he has received in this matter.” Georgians fired Roy Barnes.

      • Lady Thinker says:

        Barnes said he supports Sunday sales, deal said each community should decide. Which view do you agree with David? I know this is a sticking point with many people.

        • I agree with both. Barnes probably means that he would sign the bill if it passed in the state legislature. But just because the state makes it legal doesn’t mean that each community doesn’t continue to decide like they currently do. For instance, go to Blairsville and try to order a rum and Coke. Or ask to see their drink menu. They’ll laugh at you. Doesn’t matter what day of the week it is. (Unless they’re no longer in a dry county? Last time I was there was a couple of years ago or so.) Similarly, Snellville just enacted (Sunday?) alcohol sales within their restaurants. Not sure if they were able to pour other days of the week or not. But Georgia’s alcohol laws are already structured to allow different localities to decide.

  16. Three Jack says:

    great post clint! while i am tempted, i cannot vote for barnes. i will vote libertarian in almost all races for the first time in 30 years of casting ballots here in ga.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      It’s only temporary Three Jack (I hope) and the GOP will endorse better candidates in the future, like in two years?

  17. rsmith says:

    I look at this site occasionally, and I am surprised that there appears to be no substative discussion about which Gubernatorial candidate would be the best at solving what I contend are our top three problems: employment, water and transportation. Specifically, which candidate would be the best at attracting new employers to Georgia. Which would have the gravitas and credibility to go to Michigan, Pennsylvania or Oregon, sit down with the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, and convince him or her to move some or all of their business to Georgia? Who could best negotiate with the Governors of Alabama and Georgia over the Corps problem? (See Richard Shelby as the major stumbling block to resolving this in Congress). Who is best prepared to attempt to solve our transportation problems? How many of you have observed the number of tractor trailers who must drive down to I-285 to then go up I-75 or I-85? How ridiculous is that?

  18. Monica says:

    I agree with just about every word in this post, and that happens hardly ever for me, it’s nice to know I’m not alone. I will vote for Roy, although I will hold my nose while doing so, since I do believe he “went” fiscally conservative to win the election, and I’m not sure he’ll act on it later. Putting more money into a disastrous education system is not the answer, fix the problems (moronic teaching staff) and then invest. But anyway, it looks like Roy doesn’t stand a chance, seems that most Georgians will be holding their noses while voting for the financially corrupted “Washington relic.”

    • B Balz says:

      “…fix the problems (moronic teaching staff)…” Yep, you’ll fit right in over at Camp Roy. Here in my County, a too-top-heavy central offices sucks the life out of good educators.

      As to ‘relic’, clearly you have not shaken the man’s hand or seen where he outlasted staffers half his age discussing various legislation.

      • I’ve shaken the hands of all 3 candidates. I really don’t care for what I’ve seen of Deal on video and liked him even less in person. If this were a personality contest, Barnes stands out as a much friendlier and down to earth kind of guy than Deal. I’m sure he could outlast staffers discussing legislation… could he outlast Barnes? If Monds doesn’t make the runoff, I’ll be putting Barnes signs in my yard. (Which I imagine will also be stolen, since one of each of the John Monds and Kira Willis signs I’ve had up a week and a half since we moved in were apparently stolen over the weekend.)

        • B Balz says:

          People are so petty, as if stealing your yard sign is going to make much of a difference. Good for you for meeting these folks.

          My point above speaks to folks that toss around the word ‘relic’ as a dig against age. The man is vital and has a vise-like grip, that was my point. Age discrimination, like any other sort of discrimination, is nasty and unfortunate. .

          • Ahh, yeah, I tend to use the word relic not to describe age so much as his lengthy tenure involved in politics. I personally think it’s time for him to retire and let some fresh blood in there. Maybe go to work full time at his salvage yard or something. He doesn’t have to retire, but I think it’s time for some fresh ideas… not just more of the same.

    • rightofcenter says:

      He “went” fiscally conservative to win the election? What election are you talking about? If his talk of billions in increased spending is conservative, I’m living in a parallel universe or something.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      Do you know any “moronic teaching staff?” If you knew teachers, you wouldn’t give them such a degrading label. Since you have done so, I have to wonder if you were a problem student and if that is causing you to look through biased glasses at the profession.

      Teachers have to reach and teach 200 plus students a day, they must abide by at least thirteen state and federal guidelines, and although they get paid for a forty hour week, in reality, they work sixty and spend quite a bit of their own money on school supplies.

      There are three types of kids in a classrooom, the gifted, the average, and the special needs, so each teacher must design three lesson plans and three tests to be administered without letting one child know another child’s educational shortcomings or criminal record for those who have them already.

      Each student has an IEP (individual educational plan) that has to be incorporated in those three lesson plans and tests while teachers break up fights and talk to parents who find it easier to blame the teacher than face the fact their child might need a special needs IEP in order to succeed.

      Teachers face layoffs, furloughs, and other critical problems while trying to teach Georgia out of the low rankings in every subject. Do you think you could be a teacher with all these stumbling blocks in your path? Do you have the courage to try?

      My hat is off to all teachers in the K-12 range as they are the real public hero/heroines. Teaching college is way easier, as we don’t have to deal with those issues.

  19. Clint says:

    For the most part, I am done with working in politics. It’s been an interesting experience. I think our state was better served when we had more statesmen like political leaders like Paul Coverdell than some of the transactional politicians that are on the stage today.

    I know it is easy to see this as sour grapes, but it is not. I just wanted to do my part as an individual to try and enlighten a few folks about the choices that we face in this election. Roy Barnes isn’t an Obama clone and isn’t going to become one anymore than I’m going to become Santa Claus.

    I’m supporting Roy Barnes as a Republican. Things in this state need to get back in fiscal order and it can start by getting a Governor who will have his own fiscal house in order before trying to tackle the fiscal issues of our state.

    • The problem with Roy Barnes is that he IS Roy Barnes.

      Doesn’t it bother you that Barnes has made so many promises that the only way he can balance the budget is to raise taxes tremendously or start selling state property?

    • TPNoGa says:


      Sorry to hear you’re leaving politics. I always enjoyed your perspective from the “inside”. But please be careful not to burn bridges you may need in the future.

    • Doug Grammer says:


      I don’t know you that well, but I like you as a person. You are entitled to your opinion, but for the sake of conversation, unless you are bringing new facts to the table, it’s just another opinion.

      One day, years from now you will look back at this and only you can decide if it was disappointment over a lost campaign or if it was a principled stand. I’m not doubting your integrity, but I am saying that possibly you may have had a subconscious reason for making this decision. Once all the dust has settled, win or lose, we will find out if you are right on many accusations and assumptions you have made. Obviously, I don’t think you are.

      Allegations are always made in elections. You have decided guilt on many things before there is an actual charge made, and I don’t think there will be any charges. You have forsaken the concept of innocent until proven guilty. You have drank the Anti-Deal Kool-Aid. Time will tell if you can recover from it.

      • Clint says:

        Doug thank you for respecting my opinion, even though you disagree with it. I can assure you that I did not make this decision lightly. I thought about it long and hard and prayed about it for weeks. I have volunteered and been involved in Republican politics since I was 12 years old and have always done what was necessary in every election, even when the candidate I supported didn’t win.

        This was not an issue of sour grapes or hurt feelings because the candidate I supported lost. This was one of those times though that I couldn’t do it. The issues surrounding Deal are just too significant and Georgia’s challenges are too important to risk.

        There are more policy issues that also contributed to my decision, but what’s done is done.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          No problem Clint.

          Contrary to popular belief, when I am dealing with a rational person, I can keep a conversation civil. You cite the issues surrounding Congressman Deal as “too significant” and part of your rational for supporting Gov. Barnes.

          I think the issues facing Georgia are “too significant” to consider voting for Gov. Barnes. I think that Congressman Deal is better on the issues. I’ve already spoken on Deal v. Barnes on jobs. You say you have policy issues that also cause you to support Gov. Barnes. Let’s discuss them, one at a time. Transportation, water, taxes, illegal immigration, education….I’m ready when you are. We can state why we feel our candidate has the better stance on an issue and everyone else can chime in as well.

          Are you up to defending your candidate on issues, as opposed to spending time attacking each other’s candidates? To date, I have yet to really lay into Gov. Barnes. Sure, I have talked about his financial support of President Obama, and I am interested to see how you can spin that into him being more conservative than Congressman Deal. I will acknowledge that I think you are good and respect your abilities, but consider the gauntlet thrown and the challenge made. Let’s debate the issues that affect most Georgians and how our candidates would be better for them on those issues.

          • Clint says:

            I’ll be honest, I don’t know the nuance and details of Governor Barnes position on every issue, but the ones that were important to me, I know where he stood, and sometimes, where he didn’t stand. Not to antagonize you, but I also knew that Governor Barnes couldn’t be bought. He’s not in a precarious financial position that would cause him to compromise his positions because of his own personal financial position.

            One of the issues that had an impact was Barnes commitment to create a state high risk insurance pool for those with pre-existing conditions. This was important because if Republicans on the National Level are successful and push the preexisting issue down to the states, the states will have to have an insurance pool ready to handle the new applicants. As it stands, Georgia is one of only a few states that does not have a high insurance pool and thus cancer survivors and other such disease survivors are particularly vulnerable.

            I asked both Nathan Deal and Roy Barnes their position on this item and only Roy Barnes responded that he supported this state high risk insurance pool. Deal did not respond. As a cancer survivor and someone who has lost many friends and family from cancer, I’m keyed into this issue more so than many others.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              Saying that Congressman Deal can be bought is like saying you, I, or the average Georgian can be bought. We aren’t millionaires like Governor Barnes. I don’t accept your premise that only a millionaire can be the Governor of Georgia. That doesn’t give anyone license to say with any credibility that you, I, or the average voter is going to be bought to do something against our principles or that is illegal. For enough money, millionaires can be bought as well. Many people don’t like the fact that Congressman Deal is part owner of a successful business while he has been in congresses. Others’ don’t like that he was an investor in a business that didn’t go as well. Well, a lot of those people are in both camps. They can’t decide if he made too much money or not enough. Bottom line, he hasn’t broken any laws. We can split hairs about reports, but he didn’t take millions of tax dollars. It dishonors a man who has spent 30 years in public service to question his integrity without any proof that he has ever done anything to take from the public or do special favors in return for money. Gov. Barnes may have made millions from suing various government entitles or large corporations, but it was legal.

              I mentioned water, jobs, taxes, education, and transportation as issues to discuss. You have came back with a subset of healthcare and that you don’t know enough about where both candidates stand to be able to say one candidate is better than the other on these other issues. I am paraphrasing. Let me know if I am wrong and we can discuss any of those issues that you like. I think we should discuss all of them, but that’s up to you. If you don’t know enough, then perhaps you should learn before proclaiming that one candidate is a better choice than the other.

              I wasn’t there when you asked Congressman Deal about a high risk pool. I don’t know if he heard you or just didn’t want to talk to some0ne who may have been working for or supporting a primary opponent. I’ve looked on Congressman Deal’s website and didn’t see anything listed on a high risk pool, either for or against. I also went to Gov. Barnes website and there is no mention of a high risk pool. There is much more information on Congressman Deal’s website and on Gov. Barnes website as far as letting you know where they stand on the issues. One candidate isn’t afraid to put in writing where he stand on most issues. Gov. Barnes limits his issues to five.

              I can’t say that you are wrong for being a one issue voter. If that’s all you want to discuss, I will get you an answer on Deal’s stance. If Congressman Deal is in favor of a high risk pool as well, does that mean you will be retracting your support of Gov. Barnes? I doubt it. However, it would show that you are a one issue voter who didn’t know where both candidates stood on your issue.

              I don’t mean to be mean, but I am trying to engage you in a debate on the issues. You made this thread and I am trying to get you to prove your point. Gov. Barnes is not the conservative in this race. You’ve made that claim. Supporting a high risk pool does not validate that claim. Let’s go issue by issue and see which candidate is best for Georgia.

              • B Balz says:


                I have a bit of knowledge on high risk insurance pools;, it is one of several issues that I advocate. The idea of taking those who cannot get insurance on the open market due to previous illness, like anything else, has pro’s and cons.

                Doug did a good job in framing the overall impact of this issue, it is a subset of a larger set of healthcare policies. By default, GA has such a plan:

                There is a wealth of good information out there on this topic, here are a few sites:


                A coalition partner, Mr. Michael Waldrip runs a superior blog on healthcare in GA:


                The biggest disadvantage to high risk pools is that because all members are not well, it is expensive to join (better than no insurance) and it is a constant gov’t subsidy. There are plans that are close to revenue neutral:

                Bottom line is that with the new HC law this topic is hugely complex. Your question is better served by asking candidates for Insurance Commissioner what, if anything, they would support. I’d start with Mr. Ralph Hudgins and see how that goes.

              • “Many people don’t like the fact that Congressman Deal is part owner of a successful business while he has been in congresses. Others’ don’t like that he was an investor in a business that didn’t go as well. Well, a lot of those people are in both camps. They can’t decide if he made too much money or not enough.”

                Come on Doug, you know better than that. It’s not that he was an investor in a business that didn’t go well that people don’t like… it’s that he invested quite a bit in a fairly large high end outdoors store that nobody in their right mind would have invested in. That store had just as much chance at surviving in that area as a Neiman Marcus or Nordstrom or Tiffany’s.

                • rightofcenter says:

                  Even if I accept your premise that “nobody in their right mind would have invested in” the business and the Neiman Marcus et al analogy (I assume that is hyperbole), I still don’t see how this is relevant to his qualifications for governor. If he was running for governor as a businessman (such as Herman Cain or Michael Coles), then it would be relevant. For the record, I don’t accept the premise anyway. Too many entrepreneurial ideas have succeeded that looked crazy to bystanders to criticize those willing to take risks. In my humble opinion.

                  • “If he was running for governor as a businessman (such as Herman Cain or Michael Coles), then it would be relevant.”

                    I see the state of Georgia as a business. It needs someone who can run a business. If Deal can’t make sound financial decisions for his own money, how am I supposed to trust that he’ll make sound financial decisions with MY money?

                    Again, I’m not saying an outdoors store couldn’t thrive in that area. But there’s probably a reason why Bass Pro Shops built it’s store at Discover Mills and not up in Habersham county. There’s a reason you don’t see an REI up there. You have to build what the market will support. I personally don’t believe that Habersham is ready for $10k guns, $2k fishing rods, and $800 knives in any sort of quantity to be able to meet payroll for a store like that.. much less utilities and rent / mortgage payments.

                    FWIW, I’ve traveled back and forth through that area since the time I was born. I grew up in Lilburn and traveled frequently to our place on Lake Chatuge in Hiawassee.

                    Let’s take a look at some of the other thriving businesses in that area: Subway, Hayes Chevrolet. (Google’s streetview isn’t showing images for that area at the moment apparently, but I seem to remember an awesome bbq restaurant on the hill just south of there, a tiny bike shop, a realty company…) Go a few miles south and there’s a Kangaroo Express (gas station). Habersham County Airport is a few miles away. Go a few miles north and there’s a Pizza Hut, McDonalds, Ingles, Wendys, KFC. Whew, with all these high priced restaurants, I guess I was wrong… there’s probably a huge demand for a high end outdoors superstore.

                    Keep on going into Cornelia… Habersham Hardware and Home Center, Dollar General (now THAT is high end stuff right there). Not until you get about 5 miles up the road do you even have a WalMart, RaceTrac, Lowes, Bath and Body Works, Longhorn, etc.

                    If you think a Nordstrom or a Neiman Marcus will make it in that area, why not try and convince them to open a store there? In fact, why don’t you invest your life savings in one of those stores? That sounds like a pretty smart move, right? As for me, I’ll stick to the tried and true method of researching a market before opening a business.

                    • David, no offense, but you Libertarians are asking the public to vote for a man who doesn’t even have a job! Looking at his bio, he boasts serving on some boards, but proudly brags of being a “community volunteer”….

                    • bowersville says:

                      David, I stayed out of this as far as which candidate to vote for except my spat with Maurice which came from a different motivation on my part.

                      You conveniently left out the demographics of the north end of Habersham County. Lake Burton, Lake Rabun, Lake Seed, the valleys surrounding them etc. You can’t build homes that cost $5-10 MM out of WalMart. Oh yeah, the new Super Walmart which is the last one being built any where is being built in Cornelia. Most businesses are located on the south end of the county based on decisions made concerning the direction development would take 40 years ago.

                      Habersham is suffering because of the real estate collapse. Knowing what I know about Habersham from growing up there and considering moving back, I seriously doubt any commercial business went into Habersham in the last 30 years with out market research.

                    • bowersville says:

                      And since I grew up on the South end of Habersham where there used to be a high school rivalry with the north end before consolidation I’ll take my jab at Clarkesville.

                      Do you wish you hadn’t run off Habersham Winery 40 years ago? That $5 million dollar Habersham Winery located just south of Helen would look real pretty sitting there on the corner of HWY 17 & HWY 115 about now wouldn’t it? Those tourist might even stop in down town Clarkesville, but I bet they take a different route to Helen.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      I haven’t seen the business plan, but it’s possible that the store would have focused on internet sales and wanted to get property in a less expensive area to keep costs down.

                    • “wanted to get property in a less expensive area to keep costs down”

                      From my understanding, the real estate and building were the majority part of the costs of the whole venture.

                      Maurice – John does have a job… he’s raising his kids. If someone doesn’t need the income (since his wife is a college professor) should we just force them to work anyways? John has previously worked for Lehman Brothers and an airline in the finance capacity. Yet you make it sound almost as if he should be compared to someone sitting at home on welfare while they send their kids off to public schools to eat subsidized lunches. Furthermore, you use the words “community volunteer” like that’s a bad thing… perhaps you need to get off Peach Pundit and go do some community volunteering.

                    • bowersville – yes, I did leave off the Lake Burton / Rabun / Seed areas because they’re not within a several mile radius of the store. Yes, perhaps people could stop on their way up there from Atlanta, but most people I know take their supplies with them or keep a stock at their lake house rather than stop on the way up (other than for maybe such things as a few more lures or something). If the store was in downtown Clayton, perhaps it would have had a better chance of survival. If the store had been located a bit closer to other shopping areas, perhaps it might have survived. But it was located next to a car dealer – really the only other business in sight from what I remember. (I drive to Hiawassee from the west side of town or up 400 these days… it’s been a few years since I’ve made the trip from Gwinnett, though I’ve driven Clayton to Mall of Georgia across to Cumming / Alpharetta a few times over that timespan.)

                      As for Habersham Winery, I didn’t realize they had looked at Clarkesville for a location… I think they’ve got a great location where they’re currently at on the south side of Helen across from Nora Mill.

                      “I seriously doubt any commercial business went into Habersham in the last 30 years with out market research”

                      But yet the namesake of Wilder Outdoors filed for bankruptcy once previous to this whole fiasco. I don’t know him, but from what I’ve read about him wouldn’t rule out the idea of him having skimped some on the market research. I just don’t see how any market research could return a positive outlook on building this type of building in this particular area.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      “From my understanding, the real estate and building were the majority part of the costs of the whole venture.”

                      Yes they were. What would the same square footage and land cost in Atlanta?

                    • Depends on the part of Atlanta. Is your premise that they should have located in Atlanta instead and compete with REI? If not, it’s irrelevant. That type of store might have somewhat of a shot at making it in Hiram, but certainly not Habersham. Are you talking about locating down on Marietta Street? I’m not seeing much of a market for their wares there either. Perhaps you’re talking about over close to the projects downtown? I’m sure there’s probably a market there, right? Surely everyone there has $10k to spend on a new shotgun.

                      bowersville – thanks for the history lesson on Clarkesville. I never would have known! It’s a cute little town and nice to drive through… but it’s just that… I just drive right on through.

                    • AubieTurtle says:

                      @David Staples

                      ” Perhaps you’re talking about over close to the projects downtown?”

                      What projects? They’ve long been torn down. You lose credibility when you make statements that are so far out of date.

                    • “What projects? They’ve long been torn down. You lose credibility when you make statements that are so far out of date.”

                      Wow, you’re right. Sorry, must have missed those stories about them being torn down. My credibility just got shot to hell just because I don’t frequent Atlanta’s poorer areas and missed the stories on the news. Thanks Aubie. How about this… the Hamilton E. Holmes area. Does that suit you a bit better?

                  • bowersville says:

                    David, the grapes were in Clarkesville on cold storage trailers(the tractor trailer type) and the owner of Habersham Winery was attempting to get a permit to make wine in Clarkesville from the city council. There was a public out cry against the evils of alcohol. One particular person addressed the council with “Jesus turned water into wine,” and the councilman’s answer was “Yes but Jesus doesn’t have to run for City Council in Clarkesville.” Needless to say in it’s day that answer went viral. Home town folk still laugh about it.

                    Then the Winery located in Baldwin on 365 and eventually moved to Helen. There was a move on decades ago with two trains of thought for development around Clarkesville. 1. Tourist oriented similar to Helen or 2. Small town atmosphere with residential/recreational/retirement development. The latter was good until the real estate bust.

                    My jab at Clarkesville was in jest, I love the place.

                    • Lady Thinker says:

                      Is that where the Cabbage Patch babies are born? I love those and “adopted” one several years ago, a little blonde girl like me!

                    • polisavvy says:

                      @LT — my younger son was two months premature and, of course, we refused to dress him in pink or yellow so he wore Cabbage Patch doll clothes for two months! Sorry to digress, but couldn’t resist!

              • Doug Grammer says:


                I have your answer. Congressman Deal has introduced legislation in congress to help create market driven high risk pools. As Governor, he would look at the language of any bill proposing such to make sure it is in the best interests of Georgia citizens, but he is definitely not opposed to a high risk pool in Georgia.

                Gov. Barnes backs high risk pools as part of Obamacare. He backs Obamacare and thinks it is constitutional for the federal government to mandate that states form high risk pools and the rest of the provisions of Obamacare.

                Who sounds more conservative on your one issue?

                • B Balz says:

                  The team of Rep. Burgess, MD and Rep. Deal actually addressed several of the main benefits of the current HC law without most of the overhead we currently have.

                  People are intellectually lazy, it is all out there. I posted this stuff months ago.

  20. td says:

    Clint, How in the world can you as a so called conservative think voting for Roy is better than voting for Deal?

    1: Your argument is wrong about reapportionment. Do you remember what Barnes tried in 2000? He will have the veto power and if he does not get allot of what he wants then he will veto the bill. BTW: The republicans do not have enough votes in the Senate to override a veto. We have a chance to ensure three additional conservative members in the House and you think Barnes is going to sit their and just allow that to happen?

    2: He sued our freaking state to allow illegals and convicted criminals easier access to corrupting our voting system. How much did this cost the state to defend? This is what a good conservatives does?

    3: Judicial appointments: Will Barnes listen to Republicans or Democrats on who to appoint to the bench? We have a slim majority on the state supreme court now. Would we after his term is complete?

    4: Barnes has promised teachers the world and he will do everything to meet these promises this time (6% raises every year, no more furloughs and national certification money supplements back) This will cost at least $2 billion and we are going to loose another billion in stimulus money. How will he pay for this? Is this a conservative value?

  21. bartsimpsonisdaman says:

    Congratulations dude!!! Your loyalties to mustang Sally is admirable and we welcome you to the Democrat team of leaders in Ga.
    You’ll find we don’t bite and welcome you with open arms!!!! Go Dems!!!

    • B Balz says:

      Oh good grief!

      Many could have gone the rest of this cycle without a peep from this puerile perennial poopster. You and Zazu Pachinko should get a room in Savannah. Have a big ol’ party, invite a bright young accountant, a wax-winged demigod, and a mean little man with a pink turban. Call it Whatneverwasfest ’10.

  22. bartsimpsonisdaman says:

    The Democrat Party of Georgia and the Barnes for Governor campaign welcome all the supporters of Sec. Handel.

    If you would, please visit we would like to get you entered in our database. Thanks for coming on board!

  23. Clint says:

    For what it’s worth, I knew that when I put something like this out there that there would be personal attacks against me. It’s an unfortunate part of what has happened to the political process. I have a good life that is not dependent on politics or the political process.

    I also spent quite a bit of time writing and rewriting this post over the past two weeks. I don’t think it’s either brutal or volatile. I think it’s blunt, but blunt is good. Blunt is necessary to cut through the BS that too often pollutes the political discussion.

    In the end, I see Nathan Deal as nothing more than an ethically and financially challenged politician, who let’s be clear, if he were a Democrat, most of the Republicans defending him would be calling for his head. I don’t follow the “groupthink” that has permeated too many corners of the GOP. At some point the blind partisan loyalty is going to cause people to drift so far from convictions and principle that they no longer stand for anything other than a party label. When that happens, we truly will have sacrificed our democracy for nothing more than power and greed.

    Thanks for reading, thanks for posting, and thanks for elevating the discussion of why voters should consider someone other than Nathan Deal to be Georgia’s next Governor.

    • Holly says:

      Clint, I’m honored to know you and have worked with you over the years. Though we haven’t always been on the same side, I always knew you’d be upstanding with your work. Knowing that there would be personal attacks and preparing for them doesn’t always make it easy, and it eventually wears us down.

      I’m getting close to being where you are. It’s sad and liberating at the same time to know the time is coming when I can throw my hands up,say “to heck with it; y’all fix your own mess,” and not worry with the day-to-day worries of a constituency. I’m happy for you that you’ve reached that point with an inner peace and a happy life. Godspeed, friend.

    • Lady Thinker says:


      Just take a long fishing trip, relax, then come back. You have helped many people, including me and I owe you. You still have my phone number. Know that I am your friend and that I will always be here for you. I gotcha back.

  24. B Balz says:

    Clint, maybe we will meet some day. I enjoyed reading your Bull Moose posts, some of the best on PP. I am not taking exception to this comment, but ask are we not already there?:

    “…When that happens, we truly will have sacrificed our democracy for nothing more than power and greed. …” To wit:

    That we are overdone with banking institutions which have banished the precious metals and substituted a more fluctuating and unsafe medium, that these have withdrawn capital from useful improvements and employments to nourish idleness, that the wars of the world have swollen our commerce beyond the wholesome limits of exchanging our own productions for our own wants, and that, for the emolument of a small proportion of our society who prefer these demoralizing pursuits to labors useful to the whole, the peace of the whole is endangered and all our present difficulties produced, are evils more easily to be deplored than remedied.” –Thomas Jefferson to Abbe Salimankis, 1810. ME 12:379

  25. James Fannin says:

    “All that is necessary for evil to endure is for good men to do nothing.” Clint, while I don’t fully agree with your recommendations, you are definitely a good man.

    • hannah says:

      That’s not true. Regardless of whether anyone does anything, evil will persist for the simple reason that the lust for power is inherent in the instinct to survive and some people are born without the capacity to check themselves. Those who can’t, must be checked from outside. But first, their disability needs to be recognized. The lust for power is not an admirable attribute. Partly that’s because it actually serves as a mask for the coward.

  26. hannah says:

    A fiscal conservative is a punitive politician who’s discovered that it’s easy to punish people by withholding money, leaving no fingerprints.
    It’s widely recognized that the victims of abuse try to appease their abuser. It’s going to take a while for the citizens of Georgia to get out of that habit.
    What are punitive pols after? Power. Power, to be felt, has to hurt. A do gooder is never perceived as powerful.

  27. AnyoneElse2010 says:

    If ethics is your biggest issue then you do not need to vote for Roy Barnes. As I stated in an above post, ethics is not something that is dictated to me by a Congressional or State Board. Ethics is something that you live day in and day out.

    If you can honestly say that Barnes was an ethical leader during his time as Georgia’s governor then please by all means vote for the guy. But as someone who worked on campaigns throughout the years did you start off your campaign stump speeches in 2002 by saying, “Roy Barnes may be an ethical leader, but….” I know I didn’t. I said his ethics were lacking by the way he lead individuals. If you are an ethical man you don’t punish those who simply disagree with you. You don’t threaten them, and you certainly don’t act like your opinion is the only opinion that means something.

    Also I assume that you believe that Roy Barnes has been honest about everything that he has ever said as a politician. Lord knows he never bent the truth as a trial lawyer.

    My point is get a mind and think for yourself. I know that the OCE says that Deal “MAY” have done something unethical, but I don’t need no stinking committee telling me what is ethical and what is unethical. Sure Deal may have had a ethical lapse, but in my opinion his ethical lapses are no worse then a Barnes ethical lapse. Neither are gonna be the most ethical candidate, but at least one (Deal) has some sort of plan for moving Georgia over.

    To quote Mr. Einstein: “Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

    • Clint says:

      No one is perfect, but Roy Barnes is 100% better than Nathan Deal.
      Deal has shown made a habitual habit of abusing his Congressional Office for personal gain, won’t be honest about his finances, and flaunts the campaign donation limits in Georgia by taking over $136,000 in illegal contributions.

      • AnyoneElse2010 says:

        Barnes has shown a habitual habit of abusing power also. You just refuse to see it. Barnes has contributed to campaigns illegally by contributing over the campaign limit. And although Barnes may be honest about his finances there is something to be said about how he rubs the fact he is a millionaire in any ones face who is willing to listen.

  28. B Balz says:

    I really love how pol operatives frame debates, it is an art form. I submit that most voters do not rate ethics issues as their first priority. Early on, pol ops framed this debate about ethics, knowing that issue can be portrayed as Rep. Deals Achilles heel.

    It WAS to be Ms. Handels strong suite, ‘member that?

    Jobs, the economic situation, here above the fall line, water and transportation, are issues that all trump. Under the Dome, the BUDGET and redistricting will ACTUALLY trump. Sadly, partisans get wound up about redistricting, as it is a matter of job security.

    While I am not discounting ethics as perhaps the most important intellectual and moral issue, most constituents are delighted if their rep did whatever was legal to get a $500,000 project directed to the District. 15 jobs a years to a District will keep somebody in office for a long time. Sadly, the “It’s only an entitlement when it isn’t in your District’ sentiment prevails.

    Let’s descend from the high horse of moral superiority, Roy is not an angel, he is effective or he would not have made $16mm since being excommunicated from West Paces Ferry Road. Clients pay for results, sometimes that involves ‘right-up-to-the-line’ ethical behavior.

    Hopefully each voter has a SET of issues that are important to them. The question is whether or not their rep or Governor will address those issues effectively.

    For me, that choice is clear between Roy and Rep. Deal. I STILL tend to believe that the GOP will do less damage than Dems. 30 years of service has shown Rep. Deal to be a ‘worker-bee’ and not a limelight seeker.

    • “30 years of service has shown Rep. Deal to be a ‘worker-bee’ and not a limelight seeker.”

      I agree. But do you think there’s a possibility he might try and benefit personally (financially) from his position as Governor? If so, don’t you think it’s in his best interests to say out of the limelight?

      Secondly, don’t worker bees simply take orders? I think we need actual leadership in this state at the moment… not just another order taker.

      • B Balz says:

        Hey David,

        Of course there is a possibility ANY pol may try to benefit personally and financially from office. Humans tend to ‘feather the nest’ like any other creature. That behavior, as long as it is not criminal, or unethical, is virtually impossible to stop in commerce, the public sector, or the military.

        To believe otherwise, IMHO, is Utopian, and not of this World.

        As an executive style, worker bees get things done differently than those who are imperious or King-like. In my experience, an executive who rolls up his sleeves and grabs a shovel is more effective than a boss who dictates.

        Do you believe that even the Governor doesn’t have stakeholders who influence matters? Again, I wish it were not so, but we live in an imperfect world. Influence is usually based on power, fear, money, or a combination thereof.

        We tried Roy, he did not seem to have the temperament for the top seat. The LP folks could have capitalized on huge voter discontent to advance their Party, but were unable to do so. [I remain hopeful.]

        Rep. Deal style is that of a quiet do’er. I hope, if elected, he chooses to advance ALL of Georgia to the best of his abilities, with NO ‘nest feathering’ or bending to influential interests.

      • Lady Thinker says:

        The deal posters have little integrity also. Like deal, they love spreading the lies and innuendoes. deal has taught them well.

        • B Balz says:


          You make trollish and inflammatory blanket statements such as, ‘Like deal, they love spreading the lies and innuendoes [sp]’, and then cry harassment, abuse when somebody calls you out.

          Clearly, you don’t expect to be taken seriously by suggesting folks who do not buy into the candidate of your choosing ‘have little integrity’? That’s rude and wrong.

          I have seen your ilk in other pol contests, and they always end up in the ‘Bless their heart’ bin of irrelevancy, even if their candidate wins. Nobody decent wants ‘rude and wrong’ on their side.

          You, and your admitted ‘group’ have ought to know there can be consequences for campaigning without disclosure. Not by me, I could care less about swatting gadflies.

        • Working on trying to get him in the Governor’s office. Other than seeking that particular job, I don’t think he’d fall into the unemployment numbers because he’s not actively seeking a paying job. Are you saying that if you had enough other income to be able to stay at home and raise your kids that you wouldn’t? Are you that jealous or envious that he doesn’t have to work and you do?

          • Doug Grammer says:

            If I had enough income to stay at home and raise my kids I would, UNLESS I were seeking office. People want to vote for people they can relate to. See your guys poll numbers as a correlation that I am right on this one. Of course, they could be so far down because of his stances on drugs, prostitution, and gambling.

            • Or it could be that people are buying into the R’s fear campaign. If this race was between Satan and Barnes, so long as Satan had the R beside his name he’d be polling the same as Deal right now. I don’t think people are quite ready for change… they keep bending over, grabbing ankles and…

              “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

              • B Balz says:

                Hey David,

                “..If this race was between Satan and Barnes, so long as Satan had the R beside his name he’d be polling the same as Deal right now…”

                Is that hyperbole or fact?

                • It’s obviously not fact, as that would mean that it is scheduled to occur with 100% certainty. I guess you could call it speculation, but that would mean that you believe in Satan. (I suppose it’s possible that he exists… I doubt it though… I am agnostic after all.)

                  So yes, it’s more of a hyperbole to prove a point that plenty of Georgians right now are so anti-Democrat that they don’t care if it’s Satan or Alvin Greene or Nathan Deal… so long as there’s an R beside the statewide race candidate’s name, that candidate has their vote.

                  • B Balz says:

                    Agnostic and Libertarian, Oh MY!

                    Wouldn’t we ALL be surprised if Roy pulled of the upset of the cycle?

                    Obviously the hyperbole, rhetoric, and hand wringing may play well for Roy, certainly can’t hurt him. Like many here, GA GOP supports important policy directions that are diametrically opposed to both my personal and cause-related beliefs. Most in the GOP could care less about what we think, so your hyperbolic conclusion may come true.

                    Roy supports some of my cause-related beliefs, but few if any of my personal ideals. We’ll see how things look at 4PM on November 2.

  29. B Balz says:

    How did you find out about the daily affirmations, the secret handshake, and the code of the coven? That was supposed to be ‘ix-nay-qui-it-tay’

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