Rubbing Salt on Wounds

Yes. Yes I am.

John Oxendine will soon be out of a job.

So will Preston Smith.


Feel free to use this an open thread and get everything off your chest you want so then you people licking your wounds and suck it up and get on with your lives.


    • B Balz says:

      I’m gonna jack your spot on top here with my durn rant.

      I am gonna have a hard time NOT go ‘skysteward’ the next time I see a model F-22 on a reps desk. I will discuss that the cost of one of those bad boys exceeds the annual ‘ask’ for national disease group. And I will get pushback.

      Idea’s are dangerous things, ladies and gentlemen. Ideas without egos are even more dangerous.

      BTW, is Mr. Kyle Constable in the house?

        • B Balz says:

          Just curious, we had a brief dialogue here about being hopeful that the GOP would take the ‘issues’ high road in the runoff.

          What are your thoughts on how it actually ran the ‘issues’?

          Just curious, thanks for checkin’ in!

          • The only reason the race was so close was because issues were thrown to the wind and it left voters in confusion. It’s also why we’re having such a hard time uniting (though it won’t be too much longer before Deal absorbs the vast majority of Karen’s supporters). I think if both campaigns ran an issues-based campaign, Nathan Deal would have won in a landslide. His “Plan for Prosperity” alone would have gotten him many more votes, had he gotten into the details on the campaign trail. Instead, this became a campaign of one-liners, zingers, endorsements, and attacks. Yeah, I wasn’t happy. Yeah, I wish both of the two candidates had a bit more class. But these are the things we move on from as we go into the general election. To quote a friend of mine on Facebook, “Now that the mudslinging of the primaries is behind us we can get down to some good clean fun: throwing rocks at Democrats.”

            • B Balz says:

              ~chuckling~ You are wise beyond your years.

              Retail rhetoric aside, I think the discussion between Roy and Rep. Deal should center on issues, mostly.

    • fishtail says:

      The MOST DEPRESSED MAN of the moment must be Bart Graham, Revenue Commissioner. He is TOAST no matter who wins….

      • B Balz says:

        One, two, three: Awwwwwwwww.

        “…Should five per cent appear too small,
        Be thankful I don’t take it all.
        ‘Cause I’m the taxman,
        Yeah, I’m the taxman. …”

        Courtesy: Beatles “The Taxman”

    • macho says:

      Maybe Karen would have lost by even more without the endorsement. Or maybe the endorsements didn’t really matter.

  1. Red Phillips says:

    Erick’s contention in his new book that the Republican Party isn’t conservative enough is not going to ring very true to those of us who know he endorsed the designated moderate in the Governor’s race.

    “The GOP just isn’t conservative enough! Therefore I endorse Handel!” What? :-/

    • macho says:

      Well I think you hit the nail on the head with the term “designated,” because in politics perception is everything. Deal might be a bigger social conservative, but there is no doubt in my mind that Handel is the bigger fiscal conservative. One must only look at all the freebies that Deal has voted for in his lifetime to see that.

  2. I’m a Georgia native, but damn it’s hot out these last few weeks. But soon, fall will be in the air and the Dawgs will be playing football. All is good in the world. I really have no complaints or wounds to heal.

    • polisavvy says:

      We’re what? 24 days away from kickoff. I agree. I am ready for some college football (and pro) to take my mind off all the bickering, whining, and complaining that’s gone on for a few weeks. I, like you, don’t have any real complaints or wounds to heal. (I never had a true dog in this fight after the end of April).

    • Rick Day says:

      ..thus droned another medicated, sedated, divided, and dulled ‘average voter’.

      Um, see if you can muster the strength to click this, lemming.

      • B Balz says:

        Now Rick,

        I know you you ain’t talkin’ to me!

        What’s wrong with taking the time honored tradition of dumping the entire mess we boomers created on the next generation?


  3. Bloodhound says:

    It has been a fruitful primary season. I am proud we selected Rep. Deal and am very proud that we sent Oxendone packing!

    The one loss I regret was that of Sen. Douglas in his bid to serve on the PSC. I trust that good man will find a place to serve soon!

    • macho says:

      You’ve got a guy who won 25% of the vote in the Primary and then squeaked by in the Runoff, but if you think the proper strategy is to antagonize a major part of the base, then have at it.

      • polisavvy says:

        I agree macho. People need to come together not get pushed further apart with antagonizing rhetoric.

        • macho says:

          By watching Deal, and hearing his rhetoric, I’m convinced he understands how close the election was, and how he needs everybody on board. He’s just got a few mo’s that were supporting him that don’t seem to get it.

          • polisavvy says:

            I know he must realize the importance of the closeness of the election. He further knows that beating Roy will be impossible without everyone’s support. There are some on here who won’t vote for him for dog catcher, there are others on here who will consider it, and then there are others who realize that even though he might not have been their choice (I didn’t have a dog in the fight since the end of April), he’s what we have to represent us in November. Unity happens or Roy wins. It’s that plain and simple.

          • polisavvy says:

            As an aside, if the shoe were on the other foot and Handel had won, they would be wanting unity. People are going to have to get over it and move on or it could be quite damaging to the GOP in November.

            • B Balz says:

              I voted for Rep. Deal both times, and am inclined to change my November vote if this race is not handled in a very adult, professional manner.

              Sadly, retail politics seems to call for rhetoric. I look forward to hearing intelligent discourse about jobs, water, transportation, budget, law and order, immigration, etc. Maybe even here.

              Mr. Barnes set the tone this morning, that “Southerner’s are civil”, etc. and I am confident our GOP candidates temperament shall be similar, yet spirited.

              • polisavvy says:

                Absolutely, B Balz. Our GOP candidates can be just as civil a Southerner as they need to be. I personally think that personal attacks will be more likely to occur after they are attacked. They will, more than likely, by brought up by their opponents first.

                I read an interesting read by Dick Morris yesterday about how the Republicans should conduct themselves while running against the Democrats (he was referencing Congressional races, but I believe it would work with State races as well). He said to run strictly talking about the issues. The Democrats don’t want to talk about some of the issues they are facing for votes they cast. They (the Democrats) are going to try to make some of the races about personal — case in point, Jim Marshall wanting the records of Austin Scott’s parents. What the h#ll does that have to do with the price of eggs?

                People have the capability to agree to disagree without becoming mean, nasty, and totally disrespectful. All the candidates should take a look at how so much negativity can impact an election. I believe that that is what really caused Karen to fall. Things like “big boy pants” just doesn’t sit well with a lot of older voters. Seems immature and trite. This is my opinion, of course.

                • B Balz says:

                  And a good opinion it is!

                  “…The Democrats don’t want to talk about some of the issues they are facing for votes they cast….”

                  One thing about this statement that never passes the ‘smell test”:

                  When the oppo states, “…voted with Pelosi/Reid XX% of the time…”

                  I think we are going to see more pols voting ‘present’ on meaningless bills (commendations, etc.) because they do not want to be lumped into a statistic that will be used against them. In other words, one has to look at the individual vote.

                  Since you bring up Rep. Marshall, he voted “yea’ for the $32Bn Fed House bill that was to give GA $332mm, we got $220mm. Reps. Broun and Gingrey did not vote, all other (R) voted “nay’ and (D) ‘yea’.

                  Rep. Westmoreland called the entire Bill a matter of ‘kicking the can down the road’ or putting off the inevitable. I agree, but without he money this year, we would have prolly gone into an emergency session to resolve the $330mm hole in 2010 budget.

                  Unfunded Fed mandates have to stop, or the Fed needs to pay States for it’s actions, you cannot have both.

        • sethweathers says:

          I think you missed my point. I think it’s time to put a lot of this behind us and unite behind the chosen candidates.

          I do not intend to rub salt in the wounds and hope others would do the same.

    • debbie0040 says:

      In case you forgot, we also endorsed Casas. Of the 11 endorsements we made, 8 won. But you don’t have to worry, we will not be involved in the General election 7th District race. We are not going to be involved in any way…

      You know some people just can not handle it when you oppose the candidate they support and they get all bitter and nasty when they are not getting their way. I guess they have forgoten that they may just need all the votes and help they can for the general election-especially when Gwinnett County becomes more Democratic each year.

      • debbie0040 says:

        Another thing, we knew that Hice had an uphill battle to win.
        We thought sticking to our principles was more important than going with a winner. It is hypocritical to blast the Democrats for earmarks and pork and ignore it when Republicans do it. In case you have forgotten, that is one reason the GOP lost power.

      • Provocateur says:

        You endorsed Casas? DAVID CASAS? The incumbent good ‘ole boy???

        Whew! Wow. You took a big risk there, Debbie. Golly. I’ll bet Casas is forever grateful for your endorsement. He certainly could not have won re-election had it not been for your organization.

    • debbie0040 says:

      Peg, I want to be clear that my statements about bitter and nasty were not directed at you. it was directed at some of the Deal supporters that designated themselves the authority on who was a Christian and who was not…

  4. Tireless says:

    Handel is out of work. Let’s start a pool on the day she takes a job with the Obama administration.

  5. Progressive Dem says:

    Salt. Newt Gingrich’s political career is taking a major hit and his campaign for president has crashed before lift-off.

    Most people are aware that he served divorce papers on his first wife on the day following her surgery for uterine cancer, but he followed that up by deciding to divorce his second wife after she told him she had MS. Classy.

    He also had sort of a reverse Ray McBerry thing with his first wife. She was his 25 year-old geometry teacher and he was her 16 year old student. I love GOP family values! See Esquire for more salt, and there is a LOT more.

    • Provocateur says:

      As long as they weren’t related, seems like an okay match to me. And, everyone’s a homo sapien.

      But, perhaps you “progressives” are more into inter-species hookups, eh?

  6. debbie0040 says:

    Negativity? that is really funny. I thought the Lt. Governor’s race of 2006 was nasty but the nastiness was between candidates. You did not have supporters of one candidate calling and sending email after email to supporters of another candidate and harassing them for not voting their way. You did not have the supporters all of a sudden thinking they were the judge of who was a Christian and who was not and telling people if they voted for another candidate they were not real Christians.

    I thought it was very limited and I am finding out it was widespread. There has been so much damage done,not by Deal, but by his supporters that I honestly think it will take years to repair. If it can even be repaired.. These supporters did not take time to consider they would need supporters of the other candidate to help their candidate win the general election. They were very short sighted and now Deal will pay for the stupidity of some of his supporters.

    I think if Deal does not act quickly , Barnes will waltz into the Governor’s mansion.. I have already heard some saying that Obama’s election straightened out the national GOP and maybe a Barnes election will straighten out the GA GOP. Let’s hope it does not come to that…

    • polisavvy says:

      In Deal’s and Handel’s defense, they really don’t have that much control over supporters. The age of the internet has worsened that for all the candidates. To me, from what I read on here, both sides were just as nasty at times. Neither should be proud of the way their totally negative campaigns ran during the runoff; nor should either be proud of the way some of their supporters behaved. Both were just as guilty, in my opinion.

      • debbie0040 says:

        I don’t recall a Handel supporter harassing others like some Deal supporters. Deal does not have control over his supporters, but he does have control over the way he handles the after math.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          Well, he has thanked her in a very professional and courteous manner. That’s a start. Congressman Deal can send messages to his staff and the GOP county organizations, but unless he knows of specific slights, it’s kind of hard to call people on that. There are a lot of people who support him that he doesn’t know about, and he doesn’t know everything that they do.

          He disagreed with the GRTL statement about Sec Handel’s position on Gov. Palin’s child and said he wouldn’t have said it and did not condone it. He just didn’t go as far as calling for resignations as Sec. Handel wanted him to. He said that candidates shouldn’t be telling other originations what to do, even if he disagreed with them.

          • debbie0040 says:

            Deal has a tremendous amount of damage control to do caused by some of his supporters.. I will gather that information and send to Deal…

        • Provocateur says:

          Apparently you have blinders on when you read the overwhelming number of sock puppet posts from Handel supporters to anyone but Handel supporters.

          • Doug Grammer says:

            I like him as a person. He made a donation to the Atlanta Guardian Angels of $1,000, a 501 C-3 that I used to be more active in. He could have used that money on his campaign. He didn’t get any press out of it. He did because he thought it was the right thing to do while no one was looking. He also supported the Georgia YR’s while we were making a bid for the national YR convention.

            I liked him as an office holder. I like the fact that the Insurance Commissioner’s office is always answered by a live person, up until 7 PM.

            As a candidate, I had mixed emotions. Some of his staff and supporters did some stupid things (IMO) and that hurt his chances on July 20. I liked his transportation plan, which as a variation of a (I think) Georgia Public Policy Foundation plan. He had great statewide name ID, but the term a mile wide and an inch thick comes to mind. He was a good fundraiser, but he did not have a solid team of volunteers, as far as I could tell. There are lot’s of things I could pick at, the 120K, hunting and shooting by his son, but none of that matters now.

            • B Balz says:

              You are still here, posting in your own name, while others disappeared. I am glad for it, you stick to your guns, and make your points. Some may not agree with you, but you are consistent.

            • analogkid says:

              “I liked his transportation plan”

              Did you like the part about digging a tunnel under East Atlanta?

              • Doug Grammer says:

                I honestly don’t recall a tunnel. I do remember that there would be a road from NW Georgia that would go to Columbus and then to Macon. There were other roads mentioned, but that one road alone could help solve a lot of problems, IMO.

            • macho says:

              “I like the fact that the Insurance Commissioner’s office is always answered by a live person, up until 7 PM.”

              The only thing that takes is a bigger budget.

  7. Provocateur says:

    This quote from Politico demonstrates Erick Erickson is in training for his Master’s of Double-Speak:

    “I don’t think you can really tie the Palin and Handel one together. But for Palin, Handel probably would not have gotten into the runoff, and had she been able to come to Georgia this past Friday instead of Monday, Handel probably would have won,” said Erick Erickson, the founder of RedState and a longtime Georgia politico.

    Read more:

  8. dusty ride says:

    Thanks folks for letting me ride along with you these last few months. I listened, mostly, and learned some basic politics. I believe a person with good ethics and morals will act and behave in a similar way on both sides of a closed door. I believe the election will be determined by these standards and those who have them.

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