Deal With It

It appears Nathan Deal won. Congratulations to the Congressman.

I hope the Handel supporters who have been pounding their chest that they wouldn’t vote for the guy because of gays or abortion or whatever will lick their wounds over the next few days and then deal with it (hahahaha. Get it?!)

Karen Handel ran a terrific campaign. It was not enough.

Now it is time to beat Roy Barnes back to 2002.


  1. Jeff Scott says:

    Karen Handel ran a great campaign in the primary and a horribly, atrociously bad campaign in the runoff. Had she stuck to her guns and focused on the fact that she was the one who actually cut government as Secretary of State rather than playing Deal’s “I HATE TEH GAYZ” game, she would have won handily today. Instead, because she allowed Deal to control the agenda, she is the loser.

    John Monds for Governor:

    • Henry Waxman says:

      Are you saying you thought she could have Handeled it better, and now, you are going to have to Deal with defeat?

    • Red Phillips says:

      So let me again get this straight. If Handel had of stuck to her moderate guns she would have won? It was moving to the right that cost her the election? So trying to not let Deal paint her as waffly on gay marriage/adoption caused her to lose to the candidate that was identifiably to her right? So moderates were turned off by her drift to the right so they instead voted for Deal who they now felt was the more moderate candidate? That isn’t even plausible. The only way that is even remotely plausible is if you are arguing that people who would have voted for Handel stayed home. But if that is true, how do you know that that number (moderates who would have voted for Handel who stayed home) is bigger than the number of votes of conservatives she would have lost had she not firmed up her position on gay marriage/adoption/benefits? Handel may be a lot of things, but she is not stupid. If she was trying not to allow Deal to paint her as weak on homosexual issues she must have thought that was an issue that many people who vote in a GOP run-off think is important.

      The moderate Handle brigade needs to get out more often. Everyone does not embrace your cosmopolitan and oh so modern sensibilities. Some of us church going rubes out here in flyover country are still resisting the brainwashing that we are all supposed to think homosexuality is just peachy.

      • Red – I know this is probably hard for you to understand, but yes, some people voted for the person who stood firm in their hate rather than waffled on it and backpedaled in it and tried to decide whether she hated teh gayz or not. Handel must have decided that with Ox out of the race, someone had to take over his chunk of pandering. Between that and the negative style of campaign she ran there at the end, I was so turned off that I’d rather have Deal go against Barnes. In the end though, I’m supporting Monds. I’m hoping that others will join me in supporting someone who is fiscally conservative and that isn’t enshrouded in ethics issues. (And who doesn’t hate teh gayz.)

        • bgsmallz says:

          Handel botched the runoff. Just killed it. Instead of painting herself as the clear choice of metro Atlanta by highlighting her common sense approach to the needs of the area, she got too excited about mudslinging. She turned off the moderate right voters. I’ve heard story after story of folks in my area that liked Handel more than Deal early, but that just decided not to care after she stopped talking about the issues.

          The proof is in the pudding. She lost the ‘get out the vote’ in the two counties she had to have it in. In Fulton, a county of an estimated 1M+ population, there were roughly 40,000 votes…with Handel taking almost a 3 to 1 advantage.

          Hall county? An estimated population of just under 200,000? 20,000 votes. With Deal taking 3 to 1.

        • Red Phillips says:

          So being opposed to gay marriage, gay adoption etc. means a person “hates” gay people? That is liberal PC nonsense, and you should be ashamed of yourself for resorting to such simple-minded formulations.

          “hate teh gayz”

          More evidence of groupthink among the social issues phobics. You all use that same tired, worn out phrase. Like you’re all trying to be the cool kid. Would you please try to demonstrate at least a little bit of original thinking.

  2. Henry Waxman says:

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. What do you mean Deal won?

    I stopped paying attention to this race when Icarus declared “Deal. Done.”

  3. kolt473 says:

    If that’s the case, I’LL vote the LIBERTARIAN candidate, neither trust DEAL or KING ROY. From a DEMOCRAT running away from the potus….

      • Call yourselves what you will. You can dress a horse up like a chicken but it doesn’t make it a chicken. If you’d rather vote based on the letter beside someone’s name than based on issues and fiscal conservatism, then go ahead. Personally, I’ll take the principled route that will get Georgia’s finances out of the red.

  4. CobbGOPer says:

    I wouldn’t vote for him to save my life. Looks like I’ll be voting libertarian. Hope you guys are ready for Barnes part deux. Georgia Republicans never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. I’m done with this state.

    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      “Hope you guys are ready for Barnes part deux.”

      I hope that you are aware that it isn’t going to only effect “you guys” it is also going to effect you. I hope that you are willing to take GOP off of your handle, because you are only lying to yourself.

      • seenbetrdayz says:

        Deal won’t effect us?

        There comes a point in time when your attitude becomes less about trying to please a particular group, when you simply adopt the attitude “****’em all”

        When you’re at that point, it doesn’t matter who wins. All that matters is that you maintain your character in a world where an ever-increasing number of people are selling theirs short.

  5. The Comma Guy says:

    The Georgia GOP needs to focus on winning the other statewide elections and keeping King Roy staked to the middle that he’s been trying to occupy since he won the nomination. Deal has no chance. Heck neither did Handel. While a lot of folks will not want to vote for Deal in November, the GOP needs to focus on getting those folks to at least show up and vote for the rest of the candidates. The Democrats have several beatable candidates, but the voters are going to have to be motivated for November.

  6. saltycracker says:

    Neither signed the “do not resuscitate” form – lawyers are ready… support efforts can take time….as we twist in the wind……

    • polisavvy says:

      Georgia does not need a replay of the Washington State election of 2004. It went on for months. We can’t afford this to happen. Would be way too costly for the GOP.

        • polisavvy says:

          I understand that they either have or can get the resources to take this all the way. I was just meaning that all a protracted, long, drawn out procedure does is help Roy Barnes even more.

          • BuckheadConservative says:

            You’re right, but that doesn’t change the course of action for anyone, especially Karen Handel who is behind.

  7. The Governor’s race has been filled with acrimony. I love politics, but to dissolve friendships and develop hatred will not benefit anyone. It’s time to pull together as human beings as we’re all in this together. It’s called life.

    Even after I bolted from the campaign I talked almost daily with a good friend who was the former Commission Chairman. He was working his tail off for Karen as I was backtracking. We had some of the best conversations. We both agree life is way too short, as Charlie knows all to well, to let “politics” kill relationships. I know I honked an awful lot of folks off and for that I am sorry.

    • “It’s time to pull together as human beings as we’re all in this together. It’s called life.”

      I totally agree. It’s time for us to all pull together and back John Monds – the candidate who is talking about less government, less spending, less taxation. Wait, aren’t those supposed to be ideals of the Republican party? Oh yeah…

  8. Progressive Dem says:

    “Karen Handel ran a terrific campaign. ”

    The only people that believe that statement are the people who advised her.

  9. AubieTurtle says:

    Quitman County had a total of 64 votes cast in the runoff. It just doesn’t seem right to have a county that casts so few votes.

    Barnes must be really happy right now. If there is a recount, it just adds to the bitter nastiness that has been the runoff. And even if there isn’t, almost half of the voters didn’t want the other candidate which means less voters will rally around the winner.

    If Handel lost, where does she go from here? Retire from public life? If not, what office could she run for next?

  10. Dawgfan says:

    Well, I know I’ll sleep better knowing that Eric Holder’s Justice Dept. will decide the next Governor of Georgia.

    • Dave Bearse says:

      Can’t be any worse situation than the nine in Washington that decided who the President would be.

  11. View from Brookhaven says:

    But there is no joy in Mudville,
    Mighty Karen has struck out.

    …but I figure this one goes on until tomorrow, then probably into next week, then maybe for several more weeks.

  12. Three Jack says:

    the ga gop better be ready to ‘deal with it’, if by ‘it’ you mean mass exodus to the libertarian candidate.

    how can the man with the secret ox binder support a candidate who can surely fill an equally thick 3 ring paper holder? that’s the problem with georgia’s republican party, the attitude that one must accept whatever mediocre candidate the party generates. we have endured 8 years of perdueless, almost 8 years of saxby ‘food stamp’ chambliss and now erick and the state gop want us to get behind nathan ‘raw’ deal…are you freakin’ kidding me!

    eventually the blue hairs and social conservatives currently in control of the ga gop will lose their influence over the party of goldwater. in the meantime, larger numbers of us will join together to give libertarians our votes.

    • flyonthewall says:

      If by “mass” you mean by the hundreds, may be right…and with that i say…good riddance. Folks like you are so prepared to cut off your nose to spite your face, and for what?

      • seenbetrdayz says:

        It all hinges on Deal supporters’ ability to convince everybody else that the Democrats are Teh Most Evilz™, and Deal is Teh Almost But Not Quite As Much Evilz™.

        Personally, I got tired of that false paradigm, but hey, that’s just me.

  13. BuckheadConservative says:

    Not a Handel fan (not a Karen fan either, for that matter) but there’s enough votes left to make a difference. May be a little knee jerk by Erickson

    • BuckheadConservative says:

      Should read: (not a Deal fan, either, for that matter)

      Damn you, Sweetwater Brewing Company and your new wheat beers!

      • AubieTurtle says:


        BTW, if you’re ever in Whole Foods, give the Sweet Water bread a try. It’s pretty nice.

  14. Doug Grammer says:

    Have you ever had a dream where you wake up and are driving a fast car towards a cliff? Some of us feel like that right now, but we knew there was a good chance that this could happen.

    I thought this race could go either way, and I expected it to be less than a 5% difference between the two candidates. I did not expect it to be this close. When it was down to just Gwinnett and Fulton, I was convinced that Sec. Handel had won.

    Sec. Handel is now retired. The same is true of Sen. Johnson. The same will be true of Com. Oxendine and Sen. Chapman in January. I thank these public officials for their service to the state of Georgia and congratulate all of them on hard fought campaigns.

    I have trusted the will of the voters and it appears that Congressman Deal is my nominee for Governor. We are in a situation where we must all band together and back Congressman Deal 100% to avoid driving off a cliff and electing Gov. Barnes again. Some of my friends are happy and some of them are sad. To my sad friends, suck it up and get with it. If you don’t, you will really be unhappy in November.

    In the coming weeks, we will have a chance to compare Congressman Deal with Gov. Barnes. Congressman Deal has polled consistently that he can beat Gov. Barnes. Soon it will be time to put that to the test. For tonight, my happy friends should live it up. My sad friends should relax. Tomorrow, I hope you will join me in backing Congressman Deal as our next Governor of Georgia.

    Oh, I have one more thing to say:
    Deal. Not so Done.

    • TPNoGa says:

      Sorry dude, not gonna happen. Too much crap was flung by Deal’s supporters on this site for me to forgive. I kinda hope he loses, so we can rescue the party from the corrupt good ole boys network that has ruined our party.

      Basically, it is a Clinton Dem (Deal) vs. Obama Dem (Barnes), I wanted a REPUBLICAN!!!

      • AnyoneElse2010 says:

        Have you been on this site for the past couple of months. Deal supporters flinging mud have FAR been out numbered by Handel supporters. You have a very selective memory.

      • Provocateur says:

        Influence of Peach Pundit blog and people like TPNoGa on Georgia electorate: ZERO

        So, whether you forgive or don’t forgive, TPN, nobody who counts is going to give a damn. DEAL with THAT.

    • TPNoGa says:

      Ya know, I didn’t like it when they tried that 52 to 47 kumbaya crap in 2008 and I don’t like it from corrupt Deal’s people now!

      Handel supporters for Barnes!!!

    • ACCmoderate says:

      The fact that you’re so willing to vote for any Republican solely because of the letter next to his name, shows the original and creative thinker you are.

      Tell me, how exactly did Governor Barnes drive this state off a cliff? He certainly hasn’t been worse than Sonny and the Republican leadership have been as of late.

  15. TPNoGa says:

    I have NEVER voted for a Democrat on ANY level of government. If I didn’t like the GOP, I voted Libertarian or didn’t vote. But I may actually vote for Barnes to rescue my party!

  16. I never had a doubt that Erick would support the winner of this race. He is vital to our movement, and I am proud he is on our team.

    I am disappointed in how Handel treated a very good and honorable man, but I trust that most good Republicans will do the right thing and come on board to beat Roy Barnes. There was only one candidate that I didn’t know whether or not I could support in the general (even though the overwhelming majority of his supporters were good people), but it didn’t have to come to that based on the July 20th results. Even then, had he won, I believe I would have just stayed home on the governors race versus vote for a Libertarian or Barnes.

    To Handel’s supporters, I know it will take time to get over the loss and get back in the mood to campaign. However, I know most of you will. It is going to be a great fall, “national,” election where we will be united in our fight against the Pelosi-Reid-Obama regime. We will take back our country.

    • AubieTurtle says:

      Doubt Handel supporters will jump on the Deal bandwagon when his followers continue to make statements like “I am disappointed in how Handel treated a very good and honorable man, but I trust that most good Republicans will do the right thing and come on board to beat Roy Barnes.”

      Rubbing salt in the wounds doesn’t accomplish much of anything.

      • macho says:


        Handel was no angel, but neither was Deal. His last ads associating Handel with gays and 13 year old abortions were just as bad. I was a Handel supporter, who will be voting for Deal, but his supporters would best serve him by not rubbing sanctimonious salt in the wound.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      Please don’t take 1 or 2 or even 20 bloggers as representing Congressman Deals campaign. Unless they are paid staff, they are just part of the 290K people who voted for them. Don’t let them think that their vote was any more important than yours. People supporting Congressman Deal should be gracious in their win and not continue any comments against Sec. Handel. Pot shots at Gov. Barnes are now expected, but I will start my series of those latter.

      There will be some who will want to take their ball and go home, or go vote for John somebody. We need you on the team and are asking you to stay. If you decide not to, ask yourself what is the real reason you are doing so? Disappointment? Life happens. Not your favorite candidate still on the ballot? There’s nothing than can be done to change that, unless there is a recount. I don’t expect the former Sec of State to challenge the system she helped put in. Let’s thank her again and look to November. Do we have a perfect candidate? No, they don’t exist, but ours is better than Gov. Barnes…by far.

      • “Do we have a perfect candidate? No, they don’t exist, but ours is better than Gov. Barnes…by far.”

        Does your candidate support less government, less spending and less taxation that you say your party stands for? No? Okay… well, I guess that leaves Monds as more of a Republican than your guy. 🙂

  17. TPNoGa says:

    I just joined Republicans for Barnes on Facebook. I ask all Handel voters to do the same to send a message about ethics.

  18. zigmaster says:

    Handel Supporters,

    It’s time to take off your little green panties and put on some big boy pants.

  19. Blog Goliard says:

    Deal wouldn’t agree to support Handel if she won…his people have a lot of nerve calling on folks to fall in line behind him now.

    Give them some time. Oh, and also how about giving them a reason to support him other than that he’s not Roy Barnes.

    Yeah, sure, rah rah rah for our team and boo boo boo for the other team. But be careful what you wish for. Was it really in the best long-term interest of the Republican Party for Sonny to have beaten Roy eight years ago? Is it really so clear that that was in the best long-term interest of Georgia (gasp! heresy alert!)?

    I’ll eat a bushelful of rancid booby-trapped poison-warted frogs before voting for a Democrat for Congress anytime in the foreseeable future…but I’m just not feeling the urgency to beat Barnes at all costs in November. Especially when for three weeks our only choices have been to beat him with a mediocrity with career ADD, or with a mediocrity who personifies so much of what got the GOP pounded in ’06 and ’08.

  20. Blog Goliard says:

    P.S. Deal people also have a whole heck of a lot of nerve to be still whingeing about how mean Handel’s campaign was. Pot…kettle…you know the drill. And talk about putting on the big-boy underwear…

    • macho says:

      I’m surprised he was not more magnanimous. I know there were some deep wounds on both sides, but his advisors needed to remind him to publicly play nice. His attacks about gays and 13 year old abortions were just as harsh. It was a tough campaign from both sides.

  21. Jane says:

    Was there any local polling that had the race this close or even on that had Deal winning? Any pollsters eating crow tonight?

    • Blog Goliard says:

      I don’t know that any reputable pollster would have claimed to be able to predict a low-turnout primary runoff within any reasonably close margin of error.

      The known unknowns, the unknown unknowns, and the sheer randomness are just too great.

    • Blog Goliard says:

      SOS website has been stable for a while at 290,580 Deal, 288,091 Handel.

      AJC and WSB have been stable for a while at 292,007 Deal, 289,576 Handel.

      Wonder how close either of these numbers are to a true 100% first complete count. Presumably close enough that that margin will hold up.

  22. chamblee54 says:

    I went to the Buckhead rally monday to see the Sarah Palin carnival. I left wondering how someone as charisma challenged as Karen Handel got as far as she did.
    The woman has no personality, and is not good looking either. I don’t know about the overall campaign, but she was boring on monday.
    As the only major repub untouched by scandal ( so far), Mrs. Handel should have won going away. She didn’t. She may yet pull this out, but it shouldn’t be this close.

    • Blog Goliard says:

      Maybe scandal isn’t really a handicap in Georgia? Maybe being honest isn’t really an asset? (And let’s not even ask about being smart…)

      And maybe Cagle’s back should have agreed to run for governor after all?

    • TBarilla says:

      It does not appear poor ethics cause harm to a candidate in Georgia. I just wonder how people cast aside the charges against Deal with the deciding factor being he is the only one that can beat Roy. Are our principals that warped? Seems so.

      And we wonder why we can’t get the party on the right track??

  23. B Balz says:

    Ironies of the Evening:

    Tonight’s footage of either gubernatorial candidate ‘election central’ showed the ONLY African Americans on TV to be the reporters. Yet hundreds of African Americans are sleeping outside to get their names of some sort of housing list in South Atlanta. It’s only about 12% of the aggregate vote, right?

    We may never know what ‘bartsimpsonisajerk’ had to share about Ms. Handel. LT is gone, only to anonymously arise in some other race, some other day, paid for by some other pol. People take the blogs way too durn seriously. Nothing but pixels on a screen.

    Instead, as Dawgfan presciently observes, Eric Holder may play Chicago style hard ball in Georgia. It’s only about 12% of the population, right?

    Somehow many may feel less proud to call themselves a Republican than they did six months ago. Hard to really look anyone who might be fabulous in the eye and feel right about what happened in the last few weeks. But we have fiscally conservative policy on our side….

    And who cares, teh gayz’ are only XX% of the population, right?

    Some may look forward to a GRTL omelette breakfast at swank and posh 103 West . .. although I’ll take the BBQ at a certain NE Atlanta place any ol’ day. Although it will be the only time you will eat at 103 West for fifteen bucks, ever.

    What’s that….oh yeah, $2.5MM worth of ‘shock and awe’ is coming. Kinda like czars (failed Russsian leadership) naming the impending GOP blitz after a military tactic that began the largest Treasury drain in US history.

    In related news, that sucking sound is our economy diving for round two. Even an optimist, with rose colored spec-TACK-els, can see the American dream is neither half full or empty, its’ stolen.

      • B Balz says:

        There is far more rancor against WDC than there is within our Party. Roy was taken out of the Mansion, that’ s a far cry from losing and coming back.

        This was a disappointing race on so many levels.

        • polisavvy says:

          Amen, B Balz! Hopefully today will begin better day. We can hope anyhow. (Husband’s surgery in two hours — hopefully he can finally see what’s happened — been without sight for almost two months now. Keep your fingers crossed for us).

          • B Balz says:

            Godspeed to your husband, Polisavvvy. I hope his outcome and prognosis are positive. Health issues put everything into perspective.

            • polisavvy says:

              Yes, they certainly do. We have just returned from Emory and it appears as though the surgery was a success. Thanks for your concern, B Balz.

  24. c_murrayiii says:

    Sour grapes. I’m always amazed at how people can turn on their own principles and vote for someone with no chance or the exact opposite of their political values just to make a point. Policy-wise, Deal and Handel aren’t that far from each other. Get over it guys, your acting like children.

  25. flyonthewall says:

    First, Erick that is pretty classy and well said.

    Now, having said that, you folks on here insisting that King Roy can’t really do math. Look at the Republican turnout in this state in both the primary and the runoff. Even if we assume a portion of the Handel supporters stay home as a result of this nasty runoff-and I acknowledge that there was enough nastiness to go around-were exactly does the Democratic party make up 350k+ votes in November?

    Even if we assume there is a 50% increase in Democratic turnout in November, that is only between 450-475k vote in November? Still an enormous gap to make up. I ask, where does it come from? The ignorant folks that will run to the Libertarian party? Yes, because the Libertarians have been coming out in the 100s of thousands in general elections. (read sarcasm).

    Yet, I digress. Handel supporters by themselves will not outnumber the anti-Roy/anti-Obama movement that will prevail in November. Those who speak so absolutely and ignorantly regarding Mr. Deal make up such a small percentage of the 600k+ votes that will ultimately block King Roy.

    Lastly, for those who insist that an indictment is imminent, let me ask, on what charge? I posed the question last month and couldn’t get anyone to cite a federal statue that Mr. Deal could have even potentially violated. The fact of the matter is that short of blatent quid-pr0-quo, there isn’t one (let’s not forget this is a former prosecutor, judge, and practicing attornery we are talking about that in 30 yrs had never even sniffed a rules violation much less a criminal act).

    The moment you guys start to actually deal with fact (pun intended), you will see that the idea that Mr. Deal violated any law is utterly ridiculous. Further, when you finally take a look at what is really meant by “ethics violation” you will see we are taking about the use of a cell phone and an email. That simple.

    Enough is enough. From everyone. There is a reason that Mr. Deal has polled between 6 and 8 points ahead of Barnes for the past year. He is simply the candidate that is most likely to beat him.

      • Doug Grammer says:

        Henry W.

        You have been a consistent supporter of Congressman Deal. The best way to help him now is to help build a team of volunteers and supporters. The best available supporters are those, until now, supported Sec. Handel. Let’s show her and them respect to get their help to elect Congressman Deal as our next Governor.

    • hpb1 says:

      EXCELLENT point flyonthewall. As I was reading down the list of replies, this was the thought that kept coming to my mind. The numbers, as a whole, just don’t work for Barnes. This state won’t magically switch from Red to Blue due to two mediocre GOP candidates dueling it out. (And to be sure, mediocre is what gets you elected.)

      Without Herr Obama on the November ticket as a Dem draw and so many local and state races ONLY sporting GOP candidates, King Roy will be starving for votes.

    • Henry Waxman says:

      Deal is a South Georgia farm boy. He isn’t afraid to work. He just needs some serious additions to his staff and volunteer team now.

  26. REDCLAY says:


    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      As a Deal supporter…PLEASE SHUT UP!!! You do nothing to further our cause by acting like a child.

  27. Ludwig Von Beachbum says:

    All the Pundit’s horses and all the Pundit’s girly men

    couldn’t put Karen back in an office to quit again.

  28. girlygrrll says:

    Reading these comments is very disheartening. Do any of you really get it? Since the average American is brainwashed to the point of apathy, we MUST work together.
    We are too late in the game to attack each other or play king of the hill. Don’t know about you guys think (really, I don’t care), but I ain’t singing this when I’m old and grey!!!

  29. Bull Moose says:

    I am very disheartened that we do not have an ethical responsibly conservative option on the Republican ballot for Governor. It will take me a while to think about what is best for Georgia versus what is best for the Republican Party for Georgia.

  30. debbie0040 says:

    Do you Deal supporters think that Deal will defeat the Barnes juggernaut by the votes Deal received in the run off? You are hurting your cause by being arrogant. The race ain’t over yet.

    I was dismayed at the behavior of some Deal supporters telling people true Christians would not vote for Handel for Governor. What a load of BS. Some Deal supporters attacked others for simply choosing another candidate for governor.

    GRTL behaved very badly in this whole run off and I want nothing to do with them.

    I would ask that whoever the nominee is, they institute tought ethics reform. No statewide elected official or legislator should have contracts with the State of Georgia for their companies. I ask the legislature to pledge to enact such messures.

    • Doug Grammer says:


      I’m not saying I don’t believe you, but I don’t recall any Congressman Deal supporters saying that if you didn’t vote for Congressman Deal you aren’t a Christian. LT said something to the effect that if someone voted for Deal that they couldn’t be a Christian. I agree with you that these types of statements from either campaign supporters were BS. I also say that just because they may have been made by supporters of a campaign, that is not the same thing as these statements being made by the campaign itself. And yes I will go on record that it’s possible to vote for Gov. Barnes or John somebody and still be a Christian.

      Now let’s focus on November.

  31. debbie0040 says:

    TTN: GUBERNATORIAL, LT. GOVERNOR AND LEGISLATURE NOMINEES: WE WANT TRUE ETHICS REFORM. Will you pledge to institute reform that would prohibit statewide elected officials, Congressmen, Senators and members of the state legislature from obtaining state contracts for them or their business? You will not get my vote without it

  32. girlygrrll says:

    The negativity is worse than before the election.
    America is in a war of ideology. If we a lack the capacity to work together and keep selfish interest top priority, WE WILL LOSE.
    Today, I am embarrassed to be a part of the mediocrity that has so far been expressed here.

  33. debbie0040 says:

    I will whole heartedly support the winner of the run off if they agree to the ethics reform I mentioned above. This should be a no brainer..

    • Doug Grammer says:


      The legislature passed an ethics reform bill last session. Do they have room to improve on it? Sure, and I said so shortly afterwards. That being said, unless you are writing a new ethics bill, they will never adopt exactly what you want, and even if you did write it, parts of it will be changed before passage. I understand disappointment, but give them a chance to do better. They did a little better last session, let’s see if they keep making improvements.

  34. TBarilla says:

    I guess what is so terribly disappointing to me is the fact that we all scream about unethical politicians, whine about career politicians, and espouse the “right” words.

    But – we don’t mean it. In the end it looks like we have elected a guy with over 25 years of being in office that has six charges in a quickly subverted ethics investigation. An investigation that shows, without a doubt, he used his office in an attempt to further a company from which he profited. He also faced charges for not declaring income that was in excess of the amount allowed by LAW.

    Karen may not have been what everyone wanted but at least she does not have ethics issues. “But Karen can’t beat Roy,” is the standard reply. My response is, and always was, I am not willing to ignore my principals just to win. That’s no excuse. I am not yet sure if I’ll be able to support Deal (should he win) just because he is Republican. No sour grapes, so don’t go there…I am not part of a cult and can not and will not discard my values “for the sake of the party.”

    Sadly, we have sent a crook to DC in the 9th District and now we have sent a crook to the gold dome. I am proud to be a Republican this morning? No.

    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      First thing that everyone needs to do is read the report. Maybe now we can get some substance in this election.

      From the OCE report TBarilla: “The Board notes that these findings do not constitute a determination that a violation actually occurred.”

  35. Ludwig Von Beachbum says:

    Some of you people are hysterical. You were part of the crew feeding on Deal’s liver and now suddenly you are peace loving little flower children. Then there is the guy who is loading his injured ego onto a flat bed semi-truck and going fishing.

  36. TalmadgeGhost says:

    I’m just curious where Ms. Handel is going to take all that “education” and experience in this economy and find a job.

    She could work for Palin here I guess, or that dude that runs Waffle House could get her a cubicle right next to Mitch Skandalakis.

  37. debbie0040 says:

    Clearly Deal supporters do not want Handel people to support Deal….How do you think Deal will do without it? I never said one negative thing about Deal but some Deal supporters do try my patience…..

  38. TPNoGa says:

    Lesson learned last night as evidenced by my posts:

    Disappointment, Lunesta & a keyboard don’t mix.

  39. debbie0040 says:

    All Handel supporters should support Deal if the vote totals hold up but some Deal people are determined to make that difficult to do

  40. TPNoGa says:

    In all seriousness, when the primary was in full swing I thought 3 candidates were acceptable to me. They were Handel, Johnson and Deal. I had every intention of supporting whoever won between Handel and Deal when the runoff began three weeks ago. Then some Deal supporters began making comments on this site that disgusted me. Posting what can only be described as hateful comments about fellow citizens. Questioning the “true” faith of those that support Handel. Bashing gays with a fervor that can only be described as scary. Acting as though they know who is actually going to Heaven and who is not. This is unaceptable in my opinion. Then after the votes came in, the level of gloating and nasty comments. You guys have heard the saying that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. If you want my vote, you’re going to have to show me you want my vote. Also, act civil.

  41. Buzzfan says:

    The focus does need to turn (and turn quickly) to November. The thought of a rebarnes is pretty disconcerting.

    But, it’s going to take a few more shots of Listerine to ge the taste of this runoff to go away. Just anoother disheartening reminder that my life-long home state is still a place where the shadow of business-as-usual shady ethics gets trumped by the spectre of roving gangs of teenage homos.

  42. debbie0040 says:

    “. Then some Deal supporters began making comments on this site that disgusted me. Posting what can only be described as hateful comments about fellow citizens. Questioning the “true” faith of those that support Handel. Acting as though they know who is actually going to Heaven and who is not. ”

    That is part of why I went “public” with my support of Karen. Some attitudes such as the one you mentioned above were disgusting.. They behaved like faith gestapo members..

  43. Doug Deal says:

    I will not make any statements that I am going to support Barnes, because I don’t, but I cannot in good conscience cast a vote for Nathan Deal.

    Ethics is important to me, but it is clear that it does not matter to the Georgia GOP. I do not want candidates who represent my party to use the power of their office to guarantee themselves perks like 100k+ per year business deals. And it is not just Deal, it is a large number of those 75% of the “Republican” legislature who endorsed Deal who have similar arrangements for self enrichment.

    I also cannot back someone who uses hatred of another group of Americans to get elected, whether blacks or gays or whoever. Deal has made it clear that he is the candidate of white, male, straight America and no one else.

    Deal is the type of politician that I have pledged to fight my entire life. I cannot wait for the Democratic friendly press to harp continuously on his many flaws and bury him under a ton of newsprint. Either that, or he gets indicted on charges similar to what sent James Trafficant to prison, using his congressional staff to further his person fortune.

    If anything, having an indicted governor/candidate might put Georgia in the news nationwide. As long as they spell the name right, that’s good, right?

    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      Politics 1o1: In a hotly contested Republican runoff you go as far to the right as possible. I think in the upcoming weeks you will see a far more moderate Nathan Deal.

      Where his commercials messed up was that he was trying to show that Handel had reneged on comments made at an earlier point in her career. That in fact she was lying to you, me, and the general public by back tracking on previous statements and votes. Could they have done it a better way? Sure. But the point of the matter is that they were trying to lay out a pattern of her lying to the general public. I don’t think it had as much to do with gays as they seemingly made it to be. At least that is how it came across to me.

      From a guy who has a gay cousin whom I love dearly and multiple gay friends.

  44. NoTeabagging says:

    thanks TPNoGA. I don’t care what party a candidate claims. I don’t support nastiness either. If Karen Becomes today’s political roadkill, she’d be stupid to jump on the party bus and ask everyone to support Deal. I’m sure Deal has something even more evil up his sleeve to feed the media from now til November. If Roy is smart, he’ll avoid personality/party bashing. Unfortunately it looks like he leaped of the big slippery slope. I am so sick of both these parties whining “we did” this “they did” that. Political parties are doing nothing but stalling progress. Give me public servant that will do the right thing and work for the people, not shill that will only vote and say what their party want.

    • MSBassSinger says:

      The trick is what do “the people” want?

      One portion of “the people” are for gay marriage and elective abortions. Another portion are not. Another portion doesn’t care.

      One portion of “the people” want government money for whatever their want is (food, homes, health care, their kids’ college tuition). Another portion does not. Another portion doesn’t care.

      One portion of “the people” want the government to limit their size, scope and cost. Another portion does not. Another portion doesn’t care.

      One portion of “the people” want the government to destroy those who would destroy us, and otherwise stay the heck out of other country’s affairs. Another portion does not. Another portion doesn’t care.

      None of those “portions” constitute a majority. So, how exactly does a public servant work for “the people”? Figure that out, and you can be President for life.

      • girlygrrll says:

        We need leaders who will do what’s best for children and grandchildren, not us. They are the “majority” and very few of them are aware of the issues they to care about.

  45. redrock says:

    Looks like the “heaven and earth moving” team didn’t hold up.

    Uh oh – EE might be sliding towards the backend of the influential conservative list…

  46. amor patriae says:

    Folks — it’s about jobs.

    Karen and Nathan did all of us and themselves a great disservice when they engaged on anything other than that. I, along with many others, was completely disgusted by the negative attacks from both sides. And in the end, it really didn’t matter who threw the first mudpie. Once they started flying, there was plenty of filth to go around. Talk about politics as usual…

    The state is broke. Despite a Constitutionally-mandated “balanced budget,” of $17.5 billion, our state is currently about $2 billion in the red. Why? Because there are, today, nearly HALF A MILLION Georgians who are out of a job.

    The math is really quite simple. No jobs = increased unemployment claims + reduced personal income tax revenues + reduced sales tax revenues + reduced corporate income tax revenues.

    Unless the Republican gubernatorial candidate (looks like it will be Deal) gets this simple equation and focuses on how we are going to solve it, I fear we will have Ol’ Roy on the menu for the next four years. If Nathan can’t come up with a real solution on his own (and the jury’s out on that one), then it’s up to us to help him out. It’s time for all of us to grow up, to stop indulging in self-righteous anger, and to get busy fixing the problem.

    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      You must have been caught up in the trap of negative campaigning and missed the part where Nathan Deal has a comprehensive jobs plan.

      I cannot remember the group by name, but one of the leading job policy think tanks judged his plan and said that it would move Georgia from the bottom third of being a job friendly state to the top third.

    • bowersville says:

      This was undeniably the dirtiest runoff campaign(or any election for that matter) that I have ever witnessed in my nearly 60 years in this life. It doesn’t matter to me who is responsible, the fact remains filth is filth no matter what flavor.

      The most disgusting thing I heard is the questioning of one’s faith based on which candidate you voted for. Am I really going to h$ll for voting for a particular candidate?

      “I think that you can show differences without being mean. It’s a southern tradition to be civil and polite. Just because we have differences doesn’t mean that we have to call each other names.”

      Roy Barnes, 8/11/2010 from a televised interview.

  47. Correct me if I’m mistaken… this was a full week ago, and I know that’s well beyond the long term memories of many people here… but wasn’t Nathan Deal the candidate who refused to commit to supporting the GOP nominee if it wasn’t him?

    I understand all the Deal guys trying to light unity candles in this thread. However, it’s awfully disingenuous in context… and awfully stupid when paired with sore-winner shots about “panties” and besmirching Deal’s “honor”, etc.

    In the months ahead, I’d like to hear some substantive reasons why I shouldn’t vote for Roy Barnes. I’m not with you on abortion and “teh gayz”, and I’m also smart enough to realize that Nancy Pelosi has jack squat to do with local races. So cook up something meaningful, because that kind of crap is all I’ve heard thus far and it’s not enough.

    As I recall, Roy was a pretty decent governor. He wasn’t voted out for being a wild socialist, he was voted out for: (1) standing up to the imaginary “teachers unions” that Republicans always talk about standing up to, (2) trying to actually build a road rather than “study” the concept into infinity, and (3) pulling the plug on the Confederate logo and enraging those bigots who are now a large part of Georgia GOP’s rural base. Moreover, the guy seems intelligent, and never embarrassed us with any kind of “praying for rain” stunts. I don’t see any of this as liabilities… so you’ll have to remind me why he’s so much worse than the clown we’ve had for the past 8 years, or the sketchy congresscritter you want to replace that clown with.

    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      As I remember Roy got voted out by not listening to the people, and going forward with policy when there was extreme opposition by the public for his policy. “King Roy” wasn’t just a moniker, it was a way of life for Roy Barnes.

      • Examples? This is all I ever hear… vague emotional statements about his arrogant demeanor. No one has told me yet with any degree of specificity WHY he’s bad. Tell me what he did, in some level of detail beyond “not listening”.

        • Two things off the top of my head:

          1) Education reform that mirrors No Child Left Behind.
          2) While state tax revenues were coming in by the truckload Barnes spent it all AND increased the state’s bonded indebtedness.

          • bowersville says:

            Buzz, #1 is off the table with “Race to the Top” which Deal changed his mind and supports.

            #2, Barnes $13 Billion budget v current $17 Billion budget and today we are broke and in the Red Ink.

    • Junius says:

      You express my feelings wonderfully. As center right Republican thinking honestly about what is best for the state, I am hard pressed to see how Deal is really any better for Georgia and, perhaps, could arguably be worse. You are exactly right that Barnes was ousted, ironically, by the teachers “union” for imposing the same GOP education reforms that Bush then imposed in DC and for his, albiet ugly but prudent move to change the state flag. While no panacea, GRTA was at least a bona fide attempt at solving the transportation/air quality mess. Like Perdue’s regional tax plan, it wasn’t much but at least a valid step in the right direction. As far as government growth, neither party in Georgia, nor in any other state, did anything of substance in that regard until they had no other choice. As for Deal, I am not sure what he has to offer. I know he doesn’t think much of the gay fellas and believes strongly that rape victims should bring their babies to term. Other than that, he strikes me as a pretty vacuous long term congressman who isn’t afraid to look out for his own financial self interest. Divided Government, with Barnes having to stay tied to the center, might not be such a bad alternative.

    • Lady Thinker says:


      I am not sure I want to vote for a Republican candidate who could go to jail before he is even into his term, and leaving us with Casey “no college” Cagle as governor to fill out his term. So many people pushed the issue that Karen had no college so she couldn’t ge governor. Voting for Deal means a vote for Cagle when Deal is arrested. So who is worse? The Deal/Cagle team or Barnes?

  48. amor patriae is right. It time, past time really, to talk about how we’re going to move Georgia forward. How are we going to create an environment where business (particularly small business) can thrive? How are we going to improve education with declining revenues? How are we going to reform our state government to make it leaner and focused on the things it’s supposed to be doing?

    These are the things we need to be talking about.

    • polisavvy says:

      These were issues I would have liked to have seen discussed, particularly in the last few weeks, instead of the nasty BS we all were forced to witness. You are right. It needs to be discussed. It should have already been discussed. Let’s get going.

  49. TPNoGa says:

    I will keep an open mind during the general election. Deal can still win me over and Barnes can still lose me. I will be paying close attention during this election cycle.

    • Monica says:

      Why? Is there anything that you still don’t know about either candidate? Both have been in politics for a long long time. Their voting record is public, and their conduct while in office is also well known. Whatever they do in the next 2 months is just for show, and to bamboozle people. I don’t understand how could you not know today whom will you vote for on November 2.

      • polisavvy says:

        Probably because “stuff happens.” We all have had the opportunity to learn about each and every candidate; however, “stuff happens” that could sway you one way or the other.

  50. Monica says:

    Never will vote for a criminal, crook and a walking poster child for what’s wrong with Washington. Roy Barnes won’t be able to do much damage with the conservative congress. My vote goes to John Monds. Can’t believe, honestly, can not believe how many narrow minded hicks live in this state. I am in complete shock.

    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      It was pretty apparent from your previous post that you would have been voting John Monds under any circumstances. So plus/minus none.

      • polisavvy says:

        I agree with you. I’m amazed at how when things or elections don’t go the way people want them to go that they immediately start with the whole “hick” thing. I don’t think Georgia has the lock on hicks by any means. I also think that people can still enter and leave this State freely.

      • polisavvy says:

        I see you are still waiting on a response to your question. I’d love to hear the definitions as well. Thanks for asking Monica.

  51. TPNoGa says:

    From AJC:

    Just in from Karen Handel:

    I want to thank all of my friends, supporters, volunteers and my campaign team for a tremendous effort over the last 16 months. We ran a terrific campaign, beat the odds to come in first place in the Primary, and came so very close in the runoff election.

    As of this morning, we are four tenths of a percentage point behind Nathan Deal with absentee ballots and overseas military votes yet to be counted.

    We certainly have the option of requesting the automatic statewide recount. But we are not going to do that.

    The best thing for our party is to rally around Congressman Deal as our nominee in the fight against Roy Barnes. Barnes would return Georgia to a past that is best kept in our rearview mirror. We must marshal all of our resources to defeat him.

    I spoke with Nathan this morning and let him know that I endorse his candidacy and look forward to the fight against Barnes. I have also called on all who were supporting me to give their same commitment and energy to Nathan.

    I thank the people of Georgia for the opportunity to serve them and for allowing me to interview for the job of Governor. This was an amazing journey, and the friendships that Steve and I made enriched our lives immeasurably. I look forward to finding a way to serve this great state in the future.

    • AnyoneElse2010 says:

      I believed she has handled this with the utmost grace and class; setting her up for a return not too far down the road.

      I have said this from the beginning. Unlike many “pundits” who feel as though they were choosing for the lesser of two evils I think that the State of Georgia has been very fortunate to have a strong class of republican nominees.

      • polisavvy says:

        No doubt. The grace and dignity that was shown very classy. And, you are correct, there are still a whole lot strong republicans in Georgia.

    • Blog Goliard says:

      Classy in the end…yet also vapid in the end, to wit:

      “Barnes would return Georgia to a past that is best kept in our rearview mirror.”

      Funny how Obama was making the very same argument with his gear-shift analogy the other day. Forward to the future, not back to the past! Who says we’re not all about substance?

      And, taking this line more seriously than it deserves: Who says going back to the Barnes years would be all that bad? I know they were dark days for Republican politicians shut out of power, but let’s not confuse one’s personal prospects with the state of Georgia as a whole?

      Does a majority of Georgians really shudder at the thought of trading the state of Georgia’s government and economy today with the state of things circa 2002?

    • Lady Thinker says:

      That is the gracious Karen I have come to know, respect, and support. I am going to save my “Karen for governor” signs to put out again in four years. Wonder if Deal will be in jail by then?

    • B Balz says:

      Since you opened the door, how about the 6,500 or so votes uncounted? Why don’t those votes matter or count?

      What if those votes would have changed the outcome? Seems weird to me, like somebody said, “For the good of the Party…unity…”

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