Deal Dump

First off, Newt Gingrich has recorded a message endorsing Deal

AJC is reporting that Tax-Hike Mike will be doing a fly-around with Nathan Deal on Sunday.

Gah, wrong video.

Finally, via the same link above, Deal has reported earning over a million dollars via a no-bid contract with the state of Georgia raising over a million dollars in the run-off. Handel’s numbers haven’t been announced but the report is due in to the Ethics Committee today.

Sockpuppets can have at it. Be sure to point out that this was done late on a Friday as a “Take Out The Trash” tactic by the minions at HandelPundit. Pesky facts like most of us have full time jobs and aren’t being paid by campaigns to post crap here can be ignored.

Updated with Karen’s numbers: There was a 60k spread between Deal and Handel, $1.03M to $970M respectively. Deal has $40k more on hand.


  1. Pine Knot says:

    Ah, typical. The sock puppets who once said Deal.Done. are feeling threatened. Didn’t expect anything less.

  2. NonPartisanGA says:

    Yeah Newt used his American Solutions distribution list to email his support. I like Newt, but I recall that Newt like Nathan had ethical lapses and charges over his behavior in Congress. It is sad that in spite of conservative outrage over ethics, the good old boys continue to flock to or refuse to call out republican offenders as they circle the wagons against Handel who goes out on a limb for ethical reform. One can forgive Newt for his transgressions over time, but aggressively supporting the same degree of bad behavior is reprehensible. I promptly unsubscribed from the American Solutions distribution. If we nominate Nathan Deal, we will reap what we sow, but my conscience will be clear as the Obama Federal Prosecutors wait to indict and prosecute Nathan within 60 days of the General Primary, making Roy Barnes our next Governor.

    • I Am Jacks Post says:

      You’re aware Palin has had considerable ethics problems of her own? She’s got a legal defense fund, homie. Quite a lot of charges after serving just, what, couple years of her term?

    • Lady Thinker says:

      You are right, NPGA. Karen has no pending ethical charges save the last minute politically motivated one filed in hopes of tainting Karen just before the runoff. Karen is being targeted because she is upsetting the good ole boys who don’t want to allow a woman to play on their turf. Well women have made inroads everywhere, as well as we should.

      • EllaPatriot says:

        Lady Thinker.. I have no problem voting for a woman. I am looking forward to voting for one, one day. Just not able to pull the level for Karen this time.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          Fair enough Ella. I respect your opinion. I am voting for Karen not because she is a woman, but because after all my research, I truly feel she is the best candidate.

          I enjoy your posts and hope you and I can become PP friends and have civil, spirited debates about people and issues just like I have with some of my favorite people on here.

  3. chefdavid says:

    I got an ad today from the Deal camp quoting some verse in Matthew something about yes and the evil one. I went to get it but the dam dog ate it. And that is no crap. It seemed to be a more gentler ad than the one Galloway posted. I am guessing that is to not tick off the base. Handel did get on the local Chattanooga radio this week. The show host was pdq to point out that Deal was scheduled until they found out it wasn’t a Atlanta station and had to do something else or more important. That is what Jammer said. You can listen yourself here:

    • Pine Knot says:

      Trend Micro blocked this site as it may put your security at risk. Hm. Odd. I wanted to listen.

    • NonPartisanGA says:

      Maybe they should have quoted 2 Timothy 3 regarding Deal LOL: “But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. “

      • Pine Knot says:

        Maybe they should have quote the following: The word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations” (Jeremiah 1:4-5).

        Before I formed you in the womb. Karen Handel is not pro life.

          • Pine Knot says:

            Embryonic Stem Cell Research-

            Abortion clinics make a lot of money by selling body parts of the babies they abort, to medical research facilities and universities. One of the uses for these human body parts (is harvesting) the stem cells.
            Sometimes human embryos are cloned, and allowed to grow until they are between 7-15 days old. Then a doctor cuts the baby down the middle, and uses a syringe to extract the stem cells. This always kills the living embryo.

                • Icarus says:

                  Same standard you’re using against Handel. Either they both did, or both didn’t.

                  Handel about 600K

                  Deal, about $500 Million.

                  You’re more than a little pregnant on this issue.

                  • Pine Knot says:

                    Nathan has done a lot in his years in Congress. He has worked behind the scenes to get the bad bills stopped. Nathan is endorsed by the NRA,, and Mitch Seabaugh, the author of a very popular pro gun legislation, as well as most of the state legislator he has to work with.

                    • Monica says:

                      Yes, he has done a lot of work “behind the scenes.” Most of it illegal. He also only became a committed conservative after his liberal party lost power in Congress. I mean, how was he gonna use his position to direct millions of dollars into his personal accounts if he wasn’t in power? Nathan Deal is whatever he needs to be to get his personal agenda through. When he needed to be a Democrat, he was, when he needed to be a Republican he was. Now he needs to be a radical conservative, and that’s what he magically becomes.

                    • Lady Thinker says:


                      Don’t forget his Gainesville monopoly sweetheart deal that makes him $150,000 each year.

            • kyleinatl says:

              wow…please continue to get your info from GRTL rather than actual facts. Those of us who are actually engaged in SCNT just shake our heads at this illogic.

            • B Balz says:

              See…the problem with complete misinformation is that correct information is hard for them to believe.

              It is sad that people, with he very best intentions, don’t bother with facts.

            • Lady Thinker says:

              What site did you find your comments on so we can read it ourselves and decide the content?

              • B Balz says:

                Previously posted, multiple times, multiple credible, verifiable sources. Keep up.

                Horribly irresponsible and incorrect:

                “…Sometimes human embryos are cloned, and allowed to grow until they are between 7-15 days old. Then a doctor cuts the baby down the middle, and uses a syringe to extract the stem cells. …”

                This issue is too important, for too many people to allow gross factual misrepresentation.

                • Lady Thinker says:


                  This is something I am not going to just take your word on so site please, and I am keeping up.

                  BTW, how is Deal doing?

        • Provocateur says:

          Nor is she truly Christian. Going to church makes you no more of a Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.

          • Ambernappe says:

            What did I miss? Who is not truly Christian? And whoever is is, you are qualified how to judge? At the very least, please provide your reasoning.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          Still on that GRTL kick in support of them trashing Karen in the most brutal and cruel fashion? Karen Handel is pro-life.

        • Rick Day says:

          yeah, but that was all about Jeremiah. (I, and you, not all y’all)

          This exchange didn’t have anything to do with ACTUAL real life humans, yo! It’s just metaphor. Besides that contradicts the concept of Free Will.

          *chuckles* @wacky bible quotes…

  4. Three Jack says:

    deal voted for:
    no child left behind
    prescription drug welfare program to buy senior votes
    homeland security increase the bureaucracy act

    in addition, congressman deal (the supposed ‘conservative) voted for every agriculture appropriations bill until he decided to run for governor.

    other highlights from deal’s career as a scizophrenic congressman (couldn’t decide if he was a liberal or a conservative based on his track record):
    – voted against paygo multiple times
    -9/22 – voted against unemployment extension…11/5/09 – voted for unemployment extension
    -voted for mccain/feingold
    -voted for ban on internet gambling (guess he couldn’t find a way to profit off of this individual activity)
    -almost always voted for defense appropriation bills under gop leadership, voted no under dem leadership….is the military less important while at war under a dem president?

    i look forward to voting for a fiscally responsible, ethical conservative as the next governor of georgia on tuesday…done deal, karen handel is the only choice if one cares about the future of georgia.

    • Pine Knot says:

      Karen Handel voted in favor of taxpayer funded gay partnership benefits. Karen Handel voted to give our tax dollars to Youth Pride, a group that promotes homosexuality in children as young as 13. Karen Handel has not been endorsed by the NRA or Georgia Right to Life. Karen Handel is pro abortion, pro gay rights, and anti gun rights.

      • Monica says:

        Youth Pride is a counseling group educating your people about HIV prevention, offering suicide and other mental problems counseling services to young gays suffering from these problems because of idiots like you. So thank goodness for Karen Handel supporting them. It’s time for Georgia to join the 21st century. Karen Handel is not a criminal bigot like her opponent who thinks that saying “I hate gays more than Karen Handel” will win him the election… It makes no difference if Deal wins, he’ll never be Georgia governor, he’s looking at serious jail time, and frankly, that’s the only place he should be.

        • Pine Knot says:

          The Handel supporters blame every canidate but their own. They said Eric Johnson had huge ethical problems. To me Eric Johnson is an honerable man. They said Ox would be in jail ect. They said Deal. Done. Deal isn’t done, and he is peaking at the perfect time. Mike Huckabee wouldn’t endorse a crook, and he won Ga in 08.

          • Chris says:

            ” Mike Huckabee wouldn’t endorse a crook”
            No, but I’m pretty sure he let some murder or rapist out of jail so it could commit more crimes.

          • Monica says:

            Are Handel’s supporters supposed to make up stories about her engaging in money laundering so that you feel better about your criminal? Mike Huckabee wouldn’t endorse a crook? You must know something about those career politicians that escapes everyone else. Lets just say Eric Johnson is as honorable as Nathan Deal – there we have no argument.

      • NonPartisanGA says:

        Abortion Provider

        The ad also misleads viewers when it charges that “she gave almost a half million tax dollars to an abortion provider.” That’s deeply deceptive. Not a penny went to pay for abortions. It all went for family planning services at a downtown Atlanta health center that has never performed abortions. Handel describes herself as “staunchly and unequivocally pro-life.”

        The ad refers to a 2005 vote Handel cast as Fulton County Commissioner, approving a contract with Planned Parenthood. It’s true that Planned Parenthood provides abortions at some locations around the country. Its annual report for 2008 lists 305,310 abortion procedures performed nationwide during 2007, for example. But the $425,568 that the county agreed to pay Planned Parenthood was not for abortions, which Planned Parenthood says make up only about 3 percent of its total services nationwide.

        The contract in question called for expanding “family planning services” to an additional 5,000 men and women at Planned Parenthood’s health center in downtown Atlanta. According to Kay Scott, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood Southeast (which covers Georgia, Alabama and Mississipi), the organization has had contracts to provide those services for 35 years. And she told us, via telephone and email, that the contract language specifying “family planning” actually covers a wide range of health services including cancer screenings — but not abortions.

        Kay Scott: The contract has always been directed to the Downtown Health center, where abortion services are prohibited and have never been provided. The medical standard of care includes basic reproductive health care similar to what is provided in an OB/GYN office. Cancer screenings which includes breast exams, pap smears, pelvic exams as well as screening for sexually transmitted diseases including HIV are standard for women’s care. Additionally, methods of birth control are provided.

        Furthermore, according to Scott (and Handel), the funds came from federal block grant monies that, by federal law, cannot be used to finance abortion services. Approval of the contract was a routine matter. According to the official minutes of the March 16 meeting of the county commission, the contract was approved without any discussion by a unanimous vote of 7 to 0, along with three other unrelated contracts.

        For the record, Handel called the “abortion provider” attack misleading and posted a lengthy statement on her campaign website reiterating her long-held position against all abortions, excepting only those in cases of rape, incest or threat to the life of the mother.

        Handel: I am staunchly and unequivocally pro-life. I believe in the sanctity and inherent dignity of human life, and I will be a pro-life governor who will work tirelessly to promote a culture of life in Georgia. . . . I believe that each and every unborn child has inherent dignity, that every abortion is a tragedy, and that government has a role, along with the faith community, in encouraging women to choose life in even the most difficult of circumstances.

        Taxpayer benefits for gay couples?

        The negative portion of the ad ends with this charge: “[Handel] supported taxpayer benefits for gay couples.” The fact is that Handel voted against a measure that would have required the county’s pension program to pay death benefits to domestic partners. The matter came to a vote Aug. 16, 2006; See vote #06-0558, page 25 in the minutes of that meeting.

        Questions persist because of a series of leaked e-mails between Handel’s campaign in 2002 and the former president of the Log Cabin Republicans, a gay and lesbian organization. One e-mail from Handel’s account says “I do support domestic partner benefits,” but Handel denies that it came from her. Her campaign manager at the time, Matt Montgomery, has taken responsibility for writing the e-mail without consulting the candidate, as reported by the Atlanta Journal Constitution back in June.

        Marc Yeager, the former Log Cabin president who released the e-mails he received, insists that he also heard Handel voice support for domestic partnerships directly back in 2002. “There were several conversations,” the Constitution quoted him as saying. “There was no question as to where she stood.” Yeager has even said that Handel was once a dues-paying member of the Log Cabin Republicans from 2002 to 2004. Handel denies that as well, but our friends at turned up “numerous articles” in The Southern Voice, a now-defunct newspaper that catered to the gay community, that “repeatedly identified [Handel] as a member of the Georgia Log Cabin Republicans.” Handel never asked the newspaper for a correction or retraction, Politifact reported.

        So it may well be that Handel told gay and lesbian voters that she supported their cause when she ran for office in heavily urban Fulton County, and then switched when she ran for office statewide and needed to appeal to a more socially conservative constituency. But Handel’s recorded vote against domestic partner benefits in 2006 is the only undisputed evidence of her position on that issue.

        Other candidates in the July 20 primary include former Rep. Nathan Deal (backed by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich) and State Sen. Jeff Chapman. If no candidate wins a majority, a run-off is set for Aug. 10.

        -by Michael Morse

            • Pine Knot says:

              Everything has been discussed. You can look back and see who I support, and why supporters like myself back Nathan Deal. I am done with this discussion as I have done all I can do and I am working with some local/district races. Negative name calling (Pine Nut) and other examples are the typical negative campaign for the Handel Camp. That is why Handel is losing so many key supporters throughout the state. I’m.Done. until Tuesday evening on the Governor race. I predict Nathan wins between 3-5%.

          • Monica says:

            Oh, why don’t you just stick to the abortion thing. Seriously, with abortion I can still maintain some respect for you. The gay hate is just so narrow minded it hurts. I can see how abortion would be an issue to vote on for people who truly believe life starts at conception. I’m not gonna argue with that, even if I disagree. But your other arguments are painfully ignorant.

            • I Am Jacks Post says:

              “gay hate”

              Have you heard Karen’s bus rant? Seriously.

              Gay people not good parents

              Gay household not good for children.

              It goes on and on.

      • Three Jack says:

        first response by a dealhead, attack using false information put out by the candidate’s team in its latest tv commercial. pine knot personifies the know nothing deal supporter. “issues…we don’t care about no stinkin’ issues…she loves queers, abortion doctors and ghetto grandmothers….she’ll let them homos adopt babies that survive her liberal abortion laws!”

        pine knothead, please turn in your voter registration card prior to 8/10…your comments provide ample evidence that you are too ignorant to posess such a precious privilege.

      • Lady Thinker says:


        As a Deal supporter you are either intentionally misrepresenting the facts or out and out lying. Karen did not vote in in favor of taxpayer funded gay partnership benefits nor to give our tax dollars to Youth Pride, and she is not is pro-abortion, nor pro-gay rights, nor anti-gun rights.

      • Rick Day says:

        In spite of all the good things you are saying about Karen. I still have to vote for the Libertarian. Stop trying to sway my vote, sock!

  5. AubieTurtle says:

    Karen Handel created New Coke. Nathan Deal faked the moon landing. Handel wears Crocs and dances the Macarena. Deal hates bacon and wears white after Labor Day. They both had a hand in the Bay of Pigs.

    I read it online so it must be true.

      • Icarus says:

        Says the unmitigated a-hole who believes it is his duty to pronounce who is and isn’t a true Christian. Faux Conservatives who decide kingdoms on earth are theirs are ruining my party, my country, but most importantly, my religion.

        If you get to heaven, be sure to show God your personal list of “true Christians”. I hope for your own soul’s sake you’re right.

        • zigmaster says:

          Has anyone ever heard Karen give testimony of when she became a Christian? Just wondering. Has she ever spoke about her faith other than just saying she’s a “Christian”. Not making an accusation, but seriously asking.

          • bowersville says:

            State Senator Jake Knotts R-SC referencing Hikki Haley in South Carolina before the SC vote.

            “We allready got one raghead in the Whtiehouse. We don’t need another in the Governor’s mansion.”

            Why don’t you just come out and say it Ziggy instead of beating around the bush. That woman, Handel, ain’t no christian in my book.

            Don’t you think that Handel’s faith is between her and God?

            • Provocateur says:

              I have discovered that that there are two types of people: 1) those who believe their practice of their religion is their business and do not make a public issue of it, and 2) those that think it should be used in any and every way possible in order to get elected, regardless of their true relationship with God.

              So, to your question bowers, NO, it would only be between herself and her God had she bothered to not make it part of her campaign stumping. She brings it out, often, by the way, therefore anyone is allowed to question how faithful she really might adhere to it since she has used it to define herself.

              • John Konop says:


                What if find very bizarre is Jesus was all about bringing people together and loving them no matter what. And he was clear that all of us have issues and Jesus was extremely critical of people playing judge and jury. It seems from reading your perspective you feel like throwing stones is your right.

                I do agree with LT that people like you who are all about throwing stones and judging people instead of focusing on your own issues is not what Jesus was all about. But hey whatever gets you through the day.

                ….true relationship with God…..

            • Lady Thinker says:

              From what I have seen posted by the Deal campers, they are not Christians either because they have beaten everyone not agreeing with them over the head. Jesus taught compassion, something Deal and his campers have not exhibited.

              • Doug Grammer says:

                Get real. I can not believe that any college would let you teach if you make such broad and incorrect brush strokes. Let’s say that 20 Deal supporters posted things that were unkind. Does that mean that the one hundred and fifty five thousand voters are not Christians? lady I have to call it like I see it. You are insane or just have a complete lack of ethics to make statements like that. You have 4 degrees? What are they; 98.6, 98.7, 98.9, and 99?

                I expect either whatever or crying and whining.

                • Lady Thinker says:

                  You really need to address the underlying causes of why you are living in your mom’s basement and why you feel the need to attack me. I don’t date weak, childish men.

                  Just because I make comments you don’t like does mean I make broad and incorrect brush strokes nor does it make me insane or lacking in ethics, something I have in volumes over you. You are too cowardly to attack the men or other posters you don’t agree with and I won’t tolerate this behavior from you.

                  By the way, Jeffery Dahmer lived in his grandmother’s basement too. Any connection to him? Keep harassing me every time I post and I will file a formal complaint with the PP moderators.

                  Buzz, Chris, Clayton, Erick, Clayton Icarus, Jace, Jason, Jeff, Pete, and Tyler, do you allow this sort of behavior? I have asked Doug to stop these attacks and he refuses. Are you going to condone his following me and posting these attacks? I am asking you to send him to his corner and to leave me alone before there is an incident like several months ago when you banned Doug and John because Doug refused to stop harassing John. I am asking you to please address this issue with Doug.

                  • Doug Grammer says:


                    We got whining and crying. I have stated that I won’t stand for sleazy innuendo on either candidate and you dish it out more than most. If you kept to the facts, you’d have no problems with me. Calling everyone who doesn’t support your candidate a non-Christian, opens that door. Make silly comments, expect to get called out. If you can’t stand someone disagreeing with you, don’t post here and politics is not for you.

                    You are psychotic if you think I ever want to lay eyes on you.

                    I don’t live in my mother’s basement, and you are very strange for bringing it up. I disagree with lots of other people on here all the time. GOP lack of wits (and others) don’t cry and run to the moderators when I point out they don’t know what they are talking about.

                    Just because I disagree with you doesn’t mean I am attacking you. And you ARE completely insane to suggest that a post is stalking you.

                    Someone who teaches college and calls other people “fartface” is laughable.

                    • Lady Thinker says:

                      Who the hel do you think you are to call anyone out and to decide what comments you decide are sleazy? I responded to the Deal campers and the Christanity comments. If you weren’t so far up Deal’s as$ you could see that.

                      You are not going to keep following me from post to post and attack me. Grow up mama’s boy and stop being so jealous of me!

                    • Lady Thinker says:

                      Several months back when Icarus called you a douchebag, I thought he was being harsh. Now I understand his sentiment.

                  • Chris says:


                    Neither of you (Doug & Lady Thinker) are allowed to address one another again. You’re both acting like jackasses (or jackassettes).

                    Keep it up, and you’ll find yourself banned.

                    • Lady Thinker says:

                      Thanks Chris. You can rest assured I will Not be addressing DG again. I hope he does the same.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      Chris, on the risk of being banned, I think it’s appropriate for me to address Lady Thinker one more time.

                      I’m sorry if I offended you personally. I like to argue, and sometimes it gets the better of me. The first time I set to engage you in a debate on facts, it was based upon the premise that I thought you were a good enough debater and tough enough to take it. It appears that I misjudged you and should have had more restraint. Once again, I apologize for anything you took personally.

                  • B Balz says:

                    Ha ha ha

                    Ho HO HOE

                    I am just dying over here. That is hysterical, I am unable to typ[jajdjet adnfymore, LOL too hard.

                    You ain’t no lady, and you ain’t no thinker..You ought to run for a state office…. Oh wait.. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, I think I am going to pee.

                • John Konop says:

                  I have actually seen LT in her classroom teaching students. She is an excellent teacher and the kids had tremendous respect for her in her classroom. We should embrace dedicated teachers like LT not be little them.

          • AubieTurtle says:

            Did any of the candidates give such testimony about the start of their faith? Seems wrong to single out Handel for detailed examination of the history of her relationship with God. Did you ask the same of Johnson, Berry and the rest of the field in the primary? Has Deal released his Sunday school records so we can know for sure that he has always been a member of the church?

            It sounds like to good way to get pols to spew out what they know you want to hear.

        • KingWulfgar says:

          Anyone else would’ve gotten a timeout for comments like that. I understand you two don’t get along, but that was pretty personal and ugly.

              • John Konop says:

                I 100% agree with you. Yet I am very big on dealing with any employee who seems to create problems. That is just the way I deal with issues.

              • Doug Grammer says:

                FYI, for the PP readers. I sent a private e-mail to one of the moderators because some people won’t be named looked like they were on the edge of a nervous breakdown. While I may disagree with people, I don’t want to see any harm come to them. This was done before Chris made his post.

                This is the main part of the compassion filled response I got from the moderator who won’t be named:

                “I have no interest in doing private diplomacy on your behalf or hers. If you start something online, it will be finished online. The moderators are not on 24 hour call to get you out of jams you put yourself in.”

                I don’t consider myself in a jam. I have done nothing but point out lies, distortions, and sleazy innuendos from multiple people on behalf of both Gov. candidates. If posting on PP means I must buy into the communist manifesto of supporting only the people that the PP front page posters like, like Bill Simon, I will wear a ban like a badge of honor.

                If this is to be a blog where all points of view can be heard, vigorous debate can take place, talking about politics and things that change peoples lives in Georgia, that is something I am interested in. We will see if the people that run this blog can run a tighter ship.

                • Jace Walden says:


                  You need to get over it, dude. The moderator you sent the e-mail to was absolutely right. We are not on call 24/7 to moderate this blog. I know this might come as a shock to you, but as I’ve said before countless times, this blog is a side hustle to most of us. We all have quite productive and fulfilling lives outside of it. If you don’t like what we serve, you can go eat somewhere else.

                  • Doug Grammer says:

                    There is nothing for me to get over. I don’t ask for 27/7 service, but a 1/2 hour out of 24 or even 48 shouldn’t be too much. I eat just fine here. My meals sometimes complain….and yes, that was a joke.

                    Waiting until people are threatened to be banned seemed irresponsible. I did not ask anyone to take action. I suggested that it might be settled off blog. I asked for opinion of if I was out of line.

                    To me, a moderator who says that they can’t be bothered to moderate speaks volumes.

  6. kolt473 says:

    gad, not another Kasim Reed scenario, guy was behind and came out of nowhere and won over MARY NORWOOD, deal that sneaky guess he is, between NEWT THE FRUIT LOOP AND CHUKABEE who was shot down by MCCAIN, anything possible still hoping for Karen deal is no deal…..

  7. REDCLAY says:

    DEAL will win….GA will not put someone like Handel is the driver seat. At the end the day one must have substance and core values to lead, not finger in the wind mentality. She’s a rock thrower who can’t finish the drill. (any drill)…..

  8. HowardRoark says:

    That’s it! I’m not reading Peach Pundit until 1 week until after the run-off. This place has gone to straight to hell. Sayonara.

  9. slyram says:

    Let’s do something different for a second and look at the GOP governor runoff from other eyes. Keith from Peanut Politics posted on facebook that Barnes could only serve one term because he of course has had a term; good point that I missed. Keith likes Dubose Porter next time and I must say that Porter was really nice at the SWGA political forum in Albany but I will be living in Haiti and helping President Jean introduce real UGA/FVSU/ABAC agriculture to that troubled nation.

    Rep. Nathan Deal has Huckabee in his corner and Black centrists who listen civilly to Black conservatives know that Black conservatives like Huckabee; after his exit, some voted for Obama. On the AJC Political Insider, they mention a Deal mailer that brings up Handel’s education. While the GOP does see it, Dem Black women (some of whom liked Hillary for a while over Obama) could take the combination of woman and “Frederick Douglas High” and be like, “wow, she kind of has that Bill Clinton life is not a bed of roses thing happening.” I am not sure if some Atlanta area Blacks might think Handel went to Douglas High in Atlanta. Again, a high level politician who did not go to private school but actually went to a school name after a Black history icon. “She went to Doug….when alright then.”

    Haiti and the Dominican Republic are on the island called Hispaniloa. President Grant considered buying the island for former slaves who didn’t want to live in the U.S. I wondered how Fredrick Douglas felt about that and given the next one hundred years, island living would have appealed to me. I wish I attended Doug—in Atl or MD.

    What an interesting situation: The GOP grinds the Obamas for having fancy degrees and Palin rocks the down-home angle. Now, Deal pulls out his impressive educational background but the average Georgian might think “I like the lady who did it like me.” That’s how Joe Frank Harris beat Bo Ginn back in the day. Most politicians get those demi shirts and sit on the tailgates in their ads—trying to act country.

    At some point, will Palin ask Rep. Marshall if he voted for McCain/Palin. Oh boy. If she tweets that, it is a game changer. What happens when Barnes campaigns in Macon?

    • analogkid says:

      Interesting post.

      One quick correction: Barnes can serve two more terms, since four years has elapsed since his last term. The below text is from Georgia constitution.

      “There shall be a Governor who shall hold office for a term of four years and until a successor shall be chosen and qualified. Persons holding the office of Governor may succeed themselves for one four-year term of office. Persons who have held the office of Governor and have succeeded themselves as hereinbefore provided shall not again be eligible to be elected to that office until after the expiration of four years from the conclusion of their term as Governor. The compensation and allowances of the Governor shall be as provided by law.”

      • Lady Thinker says:

        Huh? A governor can only serve eight years total, either back-to-back or between other terms.

        • analogkid says:

          Nope. The key sentence in the above quote is:

          “Persons who have held the office of Governor AND have succeeded themselves as hereinbefore provided shall not again be eligible to be elected to that office UNTIL AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF FOUR YEARS from the conclusion of their term as Governor. ” [emphasis mine]

          What that says is that if a person was elected and re-elected, that person could run again 4 years after their term expired, which means that means a person can serve more than eight years or two terms.

          Sonny could run against Barnes in 2016 if he wants to. 🙂

            • Lady Thinker says:

              I gotta research this because most all states have two term limits and what you are proposing is that Georgia has a loophole of allowing three terms. I personally don’t think that is correct but there is not enough information here for me to dispute that.

              Are you making your interpretation based on the paragraph you posted from the state Constitution?

                • analogkid says:

                  The link you posted correctly shows “Maximum Cons. Terms” for each state. “Cons.” means “Consecutive.”

                  • Lady Thinker says:

                    It could mean “Constitutional.”

                    I think you and I have a difference of interpretation. Correct me if I am wrong but as I understand your comments, you think this means that a governor can serve two consecutive terms, wait four years, and then run again. Would that be for one more term or two terms for a total of four terms?

                    I am interpreting the passage to mean that a governor can serve two terms, like Sonny, then he can no longer run again or a governor can serve a four year term, like Barnes, and then wait four years before he can run again. If Barnes win, and I have to say that is doubtful, he could serve his second term and then he could never run again.

                    PP posters, what do you think? Is AK correct? Or am I? Here is the link and information that relates to this discussion, however, he already posted the paragraph above.

                    You decide and let us know.


                    ARTICLE V.
                    EXECUTIVE BRANCH
                    SECTION I.

                    • polisavvy says:

                      According to the Georgia Constitution, “there shall be a Governor who shall hold office for a term of four years and until a successor shall be chosen and qualified. Persons holding the office of Governor may succeed themselves for one four-year term of office. Persons who have held the office of Governor and have succeeded themselves as hereinbefore provided shall not again be eligible to be elected to that office until after the expiration of four years from the conclusion of their term as Governor. The compensation and allowances of the Governor shall be as provided by law.”

                      Under the 1945 Georgia Constitution, the governor was limited to one four-year term with the possibility of running for reelection after sitting out for four years. Most governors from 1945 to 1977 lobbied to extend this rule to a consecutive two-term limit, allowing the governor to serve for eight years. Finally, in 1977 the state constitution was amended to allow governors to serve for two consecutive terms. Since that time governors George Busbee, Joe Frank Harris, and Zell Miller have each served for two terms. In 2002 Roy Barnes became the first governor since 1977 to be denied a second four-year term when Sonny Perdue, the second Republican governor in Georgia’s history, was elected. Because they now assume that the governor will serve for two terms, legislators tend to give the governor a wide degree of latitude in the first four to six years of a gubernatorial tenure.” New Georgia Encyclopedia: Governor

                    • analogkid says:

                      The information you posted does not conflict with my statement that Barnes can be re-elected in 2014.

                      The language plainly states that a person elected governor may be re-elected, and, after the conclusion of their second term, that person may run again if four years have elapsed.

                      It works like this:

                      1. Have you been elected governor? If yes, you may run for a second term.

                      2. Have you been re-elected governor? If yes, you may not run again until four years after your term expires.

                      3. Has four years elapsed since your term expired? If yes, then you may run for governor again.

                      4. Return to question 1.

                      Barnes was not elected to a second term. Thus, he is starting at question 1, which means he can be elected in 2010 and re-elected in 2014. After serving two terms, he could theoretically run again in 2022.

  10. NoTeabagging says:

    Am I the only one here that remembers Nathan Deal threw the first stone in the negative name calling, hatebaitng campaigns? Why are people suddenly posting on the blogs that Handel went postal on Deal first? Did I miss something?

    • AubieTurtle says:

      One can’t claim the high road when jumping into the mud at the first invitation.

      Neither one of those jokers can legitimately claim to be a victim.

      • Kellie says:

        It’s call projecting – ‘to ascribe one’s own feelings, thoughts, or attitudes to others.’
        The democrats use this tactic all the time and the sheeple fall for it while the Republicans are having to defend themselves.
        Deal is just going back to his roots.

  11. debbie0040 says:

    Wonder how many legislators donated money to Deal trying to protect their turf from outsider Handel and her planned ethics reform?

  12. debbie0040 says:

    I am soooooo sick of the good ole boy system in Georgia politics and in the legislature…

    • polisavvy says:

      No offense, but I am soooooo sick of everyone (mostly women) wanting to paint any and every man who has ever served this State to the absolute best of their ability as a “good ole boy.” That’s way too broad a brushstroke. Not every male politician in this State should be labeled as a good ole boy. There are many moral, ethical, honest, hard working men who have spent many years serving the citizens of this State and they should not be label as a good ole boy just because they have a certain male organ in common. It’s an unfair statement. Just my opinion.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      I agree Debbie. It has gone on so long that some people think it is the norm. While there are some good men under the Dome who don’t like the good ole boy system, not very many of them have stood up to the GOB’s to make any significant changes. Maybe they should.

      • polisavvy says:

        There are more “who don’t like the good old boy system” than you might think. Of course, you and I both know of one who definitely didn’t fit that bill, don’t we? I guess I take particular offense for him being stuck in that category. At least Karen knows that he’s not in that category, huh?

        • Lady Thinker says:

          Of course. Austin Scott could never be a good ole boy! He’s too much his own man, thank goodness.

          • polisavvy says:

            I heard that. He’s hacked off enough people along the way by standing his ground. I think Karen respects that about him, to be quite frank.

        • Provocateur says:


          Any chance there is a “good ‘ole girl system” or do you think that just couldn’t exist in this world?

          • polisavvy says:

            I have never given it a thought, to be quite honest with you Provocateur. Sure, I guess it could happen — women could be capable. LOL!! 🙂

    • Glen Ross says:

      Oh, please. As someone who is genuinely sick of the establishment, your statement is an insult to me. Your endless foot stomping is really doing a lot to change it. You and your group are actually just a small subset of the GOP who desires relevance more than accomplishing a real change. Thus, you’ll never make any significant impact, b/c you’ll never make a significant stand.

  13. Icarus says:

    Since Doug Grammer above has again decided to post part of a private message without posting his message proceding it, I’m going to post both his email to me (at 11:40 on a Saturday night) and my response. Then his responses. The readers can then have full context.

    Bonus points if you can find the “compassion” he is seeking or the assistance he seems to think Lady Thinker needs:

    Subject: Lady Thinker
    Doug Grammer August 7 at 11:15pm
    is losing whatever grip on reality she had. Check out comments on “Deal Dump.” Sure I was little rough on her, but I have seen far worse without incident. What are your thoughts? Did I go over a line? She’s making pretty outlandish statements and I find them hard to ignore. I did stop calling her a lemming even though she still acts like one.
    I think a private e-mail is the best way to bring this back to rational discussion. .

    Icarus Pundit August 8 at 11:39am
    This is at least the second time I’ve started a Sunday morning with a message from you trying to take an online discusssion into “private email”. You and Lady Thinker have already been warned about getting after each other. I have no interest in doing private diplomacy on your behalf or hers. If you start something online, it will be finished online. The moderators are not on 24 hour call to get you out of jams you put yourself in. If you do not like this approach, then I might ask you to consider whether blogging is right for you. .

    Doug Grammer August 8 at 6:15pm Charlie,
    Your memory is going. I haven’t been warned about going after Lady Thinker. I am perfectly fine calling her out when she posts something stupid and false. I am not in jam, IMO. The woman seems to be having a nervous breakdown and if you don’t give a flying whatever, then why should I? I’m going to keep doing what I am doing. Your compassion is underwhelming. The next time someone puts pornography up, I don’t guess you want me to let you know about that either. I don’t see the need to talk to you about anything if you have no interest in rational dialog.

    Doug Grammer August 8 at 6:26pm
    Apparently Chris posted something that I hadn’t read yet. I admit when I am wrong, or at least in this case, uninformed. So now I have been warned, fair enough. She’s still a lemming and an idiot. And you are full of compassion and caring.

    That’s the entire email chain. Readers make you own observation.

    Please keep in mind that a few weeks ago when we ordered Doug and Konop to stay away from each other, it was after I awoke on a Sunday morning to find in my inbox a completed Ethics Complaint form with the entire attached message reading “This is how you file an ethics complaint”.

    Doug’s excuse then was that he hoped I would call him and discuss how he could help John avoid ethics problems. That answer, like he was seeking my professional help as a noted psychiatrist for Lady Thinker, fails the smell test. Especially when we look at Doug’s proposed “rules” for Peach Pundit, specifically this one:

    9.) A moderator should be available at all times via e-mail when things seem to be getting out of hand, and they should return your e-mails with an answer when you ask for their help.

    No. It doesn’t work that way, and it never will. We don’t do this full time, and we don’t do it for pay. I will not spend my spare time stroking Doug’s wounded Ego, or any of the rest of yours. You need help once, fine. You need to have moderators stop three arguments that you started with different people in just a few months? Nope. You’re in the wrong place.

    You have burned any goodwill you had here Doug. I will not spend the little bit of down time I get calling you to fix problems you started or to stroke your fragile ego. Best you either learn to suck it up or move along.

    • John Konop says:

      I have to admit I was very pissed-off when Doug sent the ethics compliant filled out and sent it to me as a private e-mail telling him I better contact him. It cost me money to contact my lawyer to make sure I had filed old paper work right from when I ran years ago.

      No one should be harassed in that manner. BTW the paper work was filled out right. With that said I did go over board on Doug which I should have not done. The irony is I never complained to anyone at the PP about Doug stepping way over any bounds of ethical behavior especially as a party chairman. And I did not sue the GOP and or Doug for this obvious harassment.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      Well to begin with, I like the way things seem to have settled down and you decide to come along and poke a stick at it.

      April is when John and I were prohibidaditato from communicato and threatened to be banned if we addressed each other. He has done so once, and I haven’t addressed him at all. I would be OK with drinking a beer with him if I met him, but I’m not running to Atlanta just for that.

      Early February is when I sent you an e-mail concerning John and that is hardly a few weeks ago. If you are going to tell the story, get it straight.

      You didn’t seem to mind when I notified you that someone had posted pornography on PP so you could clean it up.

      I think I need to have some good will from you to burn it up and I haven’t seen any. (Readers, bonus points if you can find any compassion from Icarus at all.) We will make a deal. I won’t ask you for any favors and you shouldn’t expect any from me.

      I think I made a valid attempt to bury the hatchet with LT. I was still a bit irate when I sent e-mails to you, and then I decided it would be best if I made a gesture of goodwill to LT. If you want to come along and poke a stick at it, whatever.

      Readers make your own observation.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      Additional note, I never complained to PP about John’s personal attacks and I didn’t sue him for defamation of character, even though I have been told by an attorney that I have a pretty good case. As it is, I am willing to let it all go and say that was yesterday, and let’s focus on the future.

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