Handel Leads In Landmark Poll, “Undecided” Leads In AG race With Olens Over Smith

August 2, 2010 16:07 pm

by Icarus · 113 comments

Landmark Communications did a poll last evening of 800 Republican voters that they will release here at 4:30 (get your crosstabs, etc, there).

Here’s the summary:

Governor:

Handel: 45.8
Deal: 37.1
Undecided: 17.1

Attorney General:

Undecided: 56.7
Olens: 33.0
Smith: 10.3

I’m told that, bucking “conventional wisdom”, there is no gender gap among the Governor’s candidates. I’m also told that Sam Olens wins the 6th CD, whereas Smith isn’t winning anywhere. Thus, Sam’s clout in Republican rich Cobb is noteworthy.

View from Brookhaven August 2, 2010 at 4:11 pm

I believe Apathetic will prevail over Undecided.

seenbetrdayz August 2, 2010 at 4:42 pm

How is “lesser of two evils” polling?

Kellie August 2, 2010 at 5:00 pm

People are undecided on whether or not they will even bother to vote.

Chris August 2, 2010 at 4:36 pm

How did Undecided make the runoff?

Chris August 2, 2010 at 4:36 pm

Next poll should have a “Screw you all, I’m not voting”.

NoTeabagging August 2, 2010 at 11:36 pm

I’m surprised they found 800 people that would answer them instead of using the magic words, “put me on your Do Not Call list.!”

American Delight August 3, 2010 at 6:06 am

Political phone calls are exempt from the do not call list.

NoTeabagging August 3, 2010 at 11:50 am

But you can ask them not to call you again and add you to their ‘do not call’ list. Most survey companies keep ‘do not call’ lists.
But you have to use the magic words.

analogkid August 2, 2010 at 4:38 pm

Whoa. Deal outperformed Handel in the 7th CD? So much for my theory that the runoff in the 7th would benefit Karen.

Unfortunately for Deal, outside of the 7th and 9th, it’s not looking good.

justpeachy August 3, 2010 at 9:45 am

After attending the Gwinnett GOP forum last night I saw why…. People who love Hyce pretty can’t stand Handel. Those Barrow & Walton folks coming out of the woodworks. For people that are so far right you’d think they’d be a little more “Christ-like” They were HATEFUL to say the least of me wearing a Handel sticker to the forum. Basically sentanced me to hell. By default they’re voting Deal because of GRTL. I learned last night it’s a VERY closeminded group of folks voting for Hyce and Deal over in 7th.

justpeachy August 3, 2010 at 9:47 am

should say “pretty much can’t stand…” should have proofed before submitting.

justpeachy August 3, 2010 at 10:01 am

In looking further Fulton wasn’t polled much 7th & 9th took in over 12% of the poll leaving a large margin of error. I bet the #’s are actually higher for Handel. Further from 7th I wonder what parts were polled. Gwinnett is by far more in support for Handel (see July 20th results). Barrow & Walton bring out the Hyce Crazies which in turn bring in voters for Deal because GRTL told them Kraen is a baby killer.

justpeachy August 3, 2010 at 10:09 am

Hice… not Hyce… urrrgggghhh. I should have slept later!

polisavvy August 3, 2010 at 10:30 am

It’s okay. We all have days where our brain and fingers can’t coordinate with one another. ;)

Lady Thinker August 3, 2010 at 11:42 pm

I had a similar incident when there was a debate at the Gwinnett Civic Center. I will not vote for Hice.

Harry August 2, 2010 at 4:38 pm

Admittedly Deal is clearly more intelligent than Handel, with a more sympathetic persona; and Handel has issues with too quickly calling out her fellow GOP primary competitors as being crooks, people whose support she will need later if she is to win the election.

Nonetheless, I am voting Handel because I think she will ruffle feathers and stir the fat down at that incestuous, insider club known as the General Assembly. She will demand more openness and less pay-for-play or play-for-pay. With this state and country undergoing slow-motion collapse the last thing we need is “business as usual” from our politicians. I think I will vote Hice in the Seventh for the same reason. If elected, I hope they will not disappoint.

jppaa August 2, 2010 at 5:09 pm

I’m voting for Nathan Deal, but I can respect your reasoning and glad to see that you at least notice some of her flaws. That’s an objective take on Handel, something I’ve yet to see this site do.

B Balz August 2, 2010 at 5:41 pm

Harry, I have to agree with your points. Either she will be a great reformer or be ineffective due to gridlock. To me, Rep. Deal may not be a great reformer, but he poses less gridlock risk.

This is not a race between two lessors or the lesser of two evils. This is a race between two individuals, both with strengths and weaknesses, but both decent choices.

And both can make a good fight in November.

ZazaPachulia August 2, 2010 at 6:11 pm

Harry, I pretty much agree with your assessment. As much as I trash Handel on this site, I’ll probably vote for her in the runoff. However, if you substitute ‘Handel’ with ‘Barnes’ in the second paragraph (and change out the pronouns) the same pretty much rings true.

And while Barnes has his blemishes, he also has a real resume, a documented record and a real education. He’s clearly the lesser of the evils this go around. I actually think it will better serve the state in the long run to have Barnes win in the fall…

debbie0040 August 2, 2010 at 8:27 pm

Both Deal and Handel are conservatives and would do a good job.. Everyone of us has to decide which one we think stands the best shot of defeating King Roy in November. Too much is at stake with new Congressional lines being drawn under the next Governor.

We also have to decide which management style we like best.
It would be pretty funny to watch the legislators scramble for cover if Karen wins.

BBalz, I agree with, “This is not a race between two lessors or the lesser of two evils. This is a race between two individuals, both with strengths and weaknesses, but both decent choices.”

Kimmie2shoes August 3, 2010 at 9:32 am

I agree that this is a race between two individuals, both with strengths and weaknesses, but both decent choices, however…I believe Handel’s support with Palin behind her will blow Deal and Newt out of the water. It will be interesting to see. And for those who say they “just won’t vote” in November because they don’t like either Handel or Deal? That’s cowardly. Get out there and VOTE. It’s not only your civic duty, but your Patriotic duty. Yes, this is my first post. No, it won’t be my last.

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 11:12 am

Welcome Home!

polisavvy August 3, 2010 at 12:59 pm

Thank goodness, another voice of reason.

NoTeabagging August 2, 2010 at 11:28 pm

Seems Handel has no issue going “Gay for Pay” when she needs “teh Gayz” vote.

ready2rumble August 2, 2010 at 4:51 pm

Cliff notes – Deal has to make up almost 9 points in a week.

Vote Nathan Deal August 2, 2010 at 4:58 pm

He did at least that in the July 20 Primary.

Romegaguy August 2, 2010 at 5:02 pm

but Karen made up more

Provocateur August 2, 2010 at 8:29 pm

Amazing that they waited 2 weeks before releasing any poll.

I Am Jacks Post August 2, 2010 at 5:07 pm

“My visit next Monday, after Sunday, will increase Mamma Handel Grizzly’s, that constitutional, electing day turnout by twenty hundred thousand.”

-Sarah Palin

Kellie August 2, 2010 at 5:27 pm

You have made my day. ;-)

Kellie August 2, 2010 at 5:34 pm

Jack must really be Tina Fey.

polisavvy August 2, 2010 at 6:40 pm

You are hysterical today, IAJP! Absolutely hysterical!! :)

Jason Shepherd August 2, 2010 at 5:19 pm

Went ahead and voted today. Was driving by the elections office and thought, “why not?”

AntebellumAyn August 2, 2010 at 5:25 pm

If Ms. Handel wins the primary runoff, I think it will be with a record low turnout and in November she’ll turn the state map “blue”

Factcheck August 2, 2010 at 5:40 pm

Ha! Since when is Landmark Communications a creditable pollster? Since when are they a creditable anything? Really???? What a joke! Oh, wait, did they go to the Karen Handel School of Politics – oh no, wait…

I Am Jacks Post August 2, 2010 at 5:53 pm

Dude, it’s credible. Not creditable.

ZazaPachulia August 2, 2010 at 6:13 pm

(waiting for ‘Factcheck’ to refudiate I am Jacks Post’s remark)

jackson August 2, 2010 at 6:15 pm

Jacks, do a response to that comment from Sarah Palin. Must use the word creditable.

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 11:55 am

Careful Jack, Jace just beat the stew outta somebody’s Grandmum for correcting spelling errors.

I’m just sayin’

NonPartisanGA August 2, 2010 at 7:25 pm

Folks disputed polls showing Handel in the lead before the primary until the votes were cast at the polls. Now they say these polls are invalid too. No amount of analysis or posturing by pundits right or wrong will alter the outcome. The results of the primary ought to have been sobering about our opinion’s relevance to the masses of voters at large. (Factcheck…another new handle of a sock puppet?)

Herb August 2, 2010 at 6:31 pm

I see deal narrowly edging handel and losing badly to barnes. Face it, barnes has universal name rec/popularity around the state while the others have none whatsoever. It also helps to be in the same party as the uber popular and come 2012, 2 term president. Just sayin’…

polisavvy August 2, 2010 at 6:42 pm

Do you really feel that way? Two terms? I kind of disagree with you about the two term thing. Unless things improve dramatically, I see one term with very low polling numbers upon his exit.

AubieTurtle August 2, 2010 at 7:28 pm

Herb is just having fun getting people worked up. But it is too early to make predictions for 2012. Sure, we all can make predictions based on what we want to happen but there is plenty of time for things to get better or worse.

polisavvy August 2, 2010 at 7:57 pm

Glad to hear he is just messing with us. I just want to survive the 2010 elections, then start worrying about 2012.

AubieTurtle August 2, 2010 at 8:10 pm

What races are happening in 2011? I want to know which office Mary Norwood is going to screw up running for before I start popping the popcorn.

Seriously though, perhaps 2011 will be a bit of rest time politically speaking before the hurricane of the 2012 elections sweep across the land.

polisavvy August 3, 2010 at 9:13 am

I sincerely hope there are none. Funny quip about Norwood, by the way. Actually, we’ll start the whole “who’s gonna run for President” stuff next year towards fall, won’t we? Of course, one hasn’t stopped running from the last election.

Herb August 2, 2010 at 9:35 pm

Im not messing with you. This is real. The gop is irrelevant as a national party. 20 years of democratic rule here we come!

analogkid August 2, 2010 at 9:37 pm

Long live the king!

analogkid August 2, 2010 at 9:38 pm

The king of beers I mean.

Icarus August 2, 2010 at 9:40 pm

And……this is everyone’s reminder that some inane and irrational sock puppets will soon be gone, replaced by other inane and irrational sock puppets from “the other side”.

B Balz August 2, 2010 at 10:48 pm

Speaking of where did that weird little helicopter chick fly off to? Apache whatever?

polisavvy August 3, 2010 at 10:31 am

I know. I’ve wondered the same. Was it angel?

Doug Grammer August 3, 2010 at 11:01 am

I would think she’s in Dade County.

Ambernappe August 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm

Sorry, I tried to face it and just could not open my eyes.

Herb August 2, 2010 at 6:37 pm

And hodges has the ag race in the bag.

Romegaguy August 2, 2010 at 9:10 pm

I thought Kemp has the Ag race in the bag

Ambernappe August 2, 2010 at 6:46 pm

As in many other “accidentals” in the language, this an exception. When referring to Mrs. Palin’s utterances, creditable is exactly correct. You will not find this rule in any manual, you must remember it. However, she makes more sense than many people with whom you may wish to compare her. Her strategery is masterful.

Ambernappe August 2, 2010 at 6:52 pm

This reply was to Jackson – got lost somehow – no idea whom I offended.

Herb August 2, 2010 at 6:49 pm

I see all statewide offices plus ga-sen, ga-1, 3, and 10, and the ga house going democratic in the democratic tidal wave in november.

polisavvy August 2, 2010 at 6:51 pm

Do you have any extra drugs you’d like to share with the rest of us? You must be tripping.

NonPartisanGA August 2, 2010 at 7:17 pm

Too bad there is not a “member since” tag next to commenter’s name. It would make it much clearer which comments likely came from sock puppets and staff members of either camp. There are lots of new names from passionate folks that are likely on someone’s political payroll.

NoTeabagging August 2, 2010 at 11:32 pm

Candidate volunteers and staffers don’t have interest in trolling the blogs. If they actually listened to us, we wouldn’t have these sham candidates ankle biting each other instead of reaching out to the citizens.

B Balz August 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm

I got into trouble claiming the polls were off prior to the Primary which is probably why I don’t gamble. Having said that, if the rumor that Senator Johnson just endorsed Rep. Nathan Deal is substantiated, I might go on a limb and dispute Mr. Rountree’s poll.

@Herb Rep. Deal is going to give Roy a run for it. Ms. Handel would as well. The teachers are p0lling so low for Roy, he is not unbeatable by any stretch.

AubieTurtle August 2, 2010 at 8:07 pm

Do you have polling for teachers? I’m curious because I wonder how many teachers in the state have moved here since Barnes left office. Also how many have been laid off, making issues like tenure moot.

The teachers I know don’t have the slightest clue who Barnes is. Of course that might change when the election gets closer and their more senior teachers tell them about what it was that made them hate Barnes so much. It’s going to be an interesting factor in the race and quite possibly impossible to predict.

slyram August 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm

I just spent 10 minutes of my life on a phone poll clearly designed for 2nd CD voters; maybe it is what’s termed a push poll. Of course, questions about various elections are mixed in and the guy said,” In the November governor election, will you be voting for Roy Barnes, Larry Monds, or Karen Handel.” I ask about Nathan Deal and the caller basically said he has no idea about that and his jobs is to read the information on the computer.

joe August 2, 2010 at 8:41 pm

Who the heck is Larry Monds? Is he any relation to John Monds?

Glen Ross August 2, 2010 at 9:43 pm

I’m interested in this Larry Monds guy. I’ve been looking for a good candidate for Governor.

Doug Grammer August 3, 2010 at 10:23 am

Larry who?

ricstewart August 2, 2010 at 7:42 pm

Interestingly, Nathan Deal wins the age 18-35 vote 45%-34%.
I would imagine that’s because the over-35 crowd makes up more of the tax base. Since Karen is fiscally conservative and Nathan Deal has drastically increased spending and debt, it only makes sense that the tax base prefers Karen Handel, who has spent their money more wisely.

NonPartisanGA August 2, 2010 at 7:47 pm

Nathan Deal did not refute Handel’s assertion that he does not support school vouchers in last night’s debate. What’s the story on that? Does anyone know why he’d be against vouchers except maybe he too is pandering to the teachers unions like Barnes?

Icarus August 2, 2010 at 7:49 pm

O.K., let’s go over this one more time:

Georgia does not have teachers unions.

Now, on to the answer to your question…

AubieTurtle August 2, 2010 at 8:04 pm

You could spend all day posting that to the AJC political blogs (and many of the non-political ones as well) and not make a dent in the number of people who insist that Georgia does have a teachers’ union. It’s one of those things that most people seem to “know” is true like they use to know that headaches are cured by drilling holes in a person’s head to let the trapped demons escape.

Sometimes though, these things do die out. Since Arthur Laffer stated that we’re on the left side of the Laffer Curve and could raise tax rates quite a bit before revenue would decline, that whole meme has pretty much died. Quite surprising given just how popular it was for so long. It was almost thought of as Reagan’s Twelfth Commandment. Maybe the “fair” tax took its place.

B Balz August 2, 2010 at 10:50 pm

This doesn’t work:

“…use to know that headaches are cured by drilling holes in a person’s head to let the trapped demons escape….” NUTS.

NonPartisanGA August 3, 2010 at 5:08 pm

I stand corrected Icarus. Your thoughts on my comment sans the union tag:

Nathan Deal did not refute Handel’s assertion that he does not support school vouchers in last night’s debate. What’s the story on that? Does anyone know why he’d be against vouchers except maybe he too is pandering to the teachers like Barnes?

Provocateur August 3, 2010 at 2:39 am

“Golly, Wally…I thought Karen said Eric was corrupt. Why is she stealing his idea of school vouchers being a good idea now?”

“Gee, Beav, I dunno. Guess when you’re a piece of Maryland white trash, you can say pretty much anything you want to.”

“Oh…okay, Wally….sayyyy, do you think Karen is related to Eddie Haskell? She reminds me of just how conniving and sleazy he is.”

“I dunno, Beaver…one would have thought there’s only one Eddie Haskell. But, of course, he had to have come from somewhere….”

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 8:53 am

DO BETTER! ! ! !

bowersville August 3, 2010 at 9:21 am

To: Handel Bashers

From: Peanut Gallery

RE: Unsubstantiated Handel Bashing

It doesn’t work.

Provocateur August 3, 2010 at 10:34 am

Here’s a question: If Handel is leading by so much…and so great a margin….why are the Handel supporters becoming more rabid when someone breaks from the pack (like Maurice Atkinson), and they go bonkers on the social media sites?

Something’s just not in synch here between “poll results” and Handel supporters, or Handel herself during that Sunday night debate.

bowersville August 3, 2010 at 10:41 am

Yes but why pour fuel on the fire and allow a major political candidate to play victim.

polisavvy August 3, 2010 at 10:42 am

Grown weary of the “victim” card.

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 11:18 am

I miss Harris Teeters in Atlanta. You could get chocolate, roses, strawberries and champagne and they gave you a VIC card to save money on all of it….

Provocateur August 3, 2010 at 11:33 am

And since the Teeter closed, you just haven’t been able to get in touch with your feminine side quite as well, eh?

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 12:30 pm

HA! Are you offering to help?

GOPwits August 5, 2010 at 12:30 am

Because we’re getting fed up with the lies being spread about Karen Handel. It’s insane.

debbie0040 August 2, 2010 at 7:59 pm

This conservative will join her hubby in voting for Karen

Three Jack August 2, 2010 at 11:52 pm

as more georgia legislators endorse deal, i become more certain of my support for karen handel. these ‘values based’ republicans overlook obvious ethical transgressions in supporting the disgraced former congressman because a woman threatens their inner sanctum of habitual lying, deceit and overall corruption.

i look forward to voting for karen handel because she will shake things up….and hopefully one of her first acts will be to end deal’s cushy inspection contract while a full investigation into how he got it takes place.

Provocateur August 3, 2010 at 10:38 am

“and hopefully one of her first acts will be to end deal’s cushy inspection contract while a full investigation into how he got it takes place.”

That’ll certainly be productive. And get us right on the track to improving our state’s financial health and create thousands of jobs.

Doug Grammer August 3, 2010 at 11:05 am

If he were still doing that….I thought this was supposed to be a forum for informed voters? Three jack I would expect this from, Provocateur, not so much. Then again, maybe you do know and are just pointing out how illogical Three jack’s thinking is.

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 11:23 am

Methinks that folks are getting edgy, punchy, and weary.

After all, you were called childish names last week. BTW, you ‘handeled’ those inane words with restraint and Dale Carnegie-esque dignity. Trying to ‘refudiate’ all this negative nonsense is like swatting flies in an outhouse, it may be fun for a bit, but it is stinky work.

Provocateur August 3, 2010 at 11:30 am

The latter, DG.

Three Jack August 3, 2010 at 11:20 pm

dg, you are the very essence of an arrogant, pompous, know nothing republican. unethical state legislators endorsing an unethical former federal legislator so that they can continue prospering from their unethical activities is what will eventually lead to dems re-taking power in georgia…it happened on the federal level and will inevitably happen in georgia if deal somehow becomes governor.

wake up doug, your old fart gop is dead…karen handel will be the leader of a younger, ethical, more dynamic fiscally conservative movement in georgia…get used to it.

Doug Grammer August 3, 2010 at 11:45 pm

Three jack,

Am I arrogant because I did my homework, knew something you didn’t, and called you out on your facts? Some people don’t respond well when you point out that their posts are full of BS. You like to attack the messenger but can’t own up to the truth that you didn’t know that the contract is no longer in place.

You need to be consistent in your message. I don’t mean the use of the word “unethical” in a run on sentence describing three different subjects. You need to pick a position, because you have given us two: Either Sec. Handel will be or our Governor as you state, or Congressman Deal has a chance of getting nominated. You described his possible nomination with the word “if,” meaning that it’s not 100% done that Sec. Handel will be our Governor. Make up your mind.

BTW, In the past two days or so, I know I have defended Congressman Deal in areas I think he has been unfairly attacked (and he was undefended.) I also looked for areas where Sec. Handel was unfairly attacked and was undefended so I could speak up on her behalf. I didn’t see any. I will be fine if Sec. Handel gets the nomination and will do everything I can to help her win in November. That’s doesn’t mean I will sit by for the next week and watch others talk unfounded trash with bad facts, spin and innuendo….. about either candidate.

B Balz August 4, 2010 at 9:59 am

I am considering changing my handle to “Fartface” to honor the fallen concept of intelligent discourse, unless you want it?

Doug Grammer August 4, 2010 at 10:01 am

whatever.

B Balz August 4, 2010 at 10:08 am

LOL!

Three Jack August 4, 2010 at 11:58 pm

dg, wtf are you talking about? i didn’t even mention the contract in my post. your rant is as irrelevant as the endoresements pouring out of a corrupt legislative body wishing to continue it’s well funded party…yee effn haw!

get a clue dg..defending deal will only lead to the demise of the party that requires a pledge of allegiance because it is so insecure as to require such a pledge.

Doug Grammer August 5, 2010 at 12:15 am

“end deal’s cushy inspection contract”

If you can’t remember what you wrote 2 to 3 days ago, don’t blame me. If you look up about 10 posts, you might remember what you typed and YOU can get a clue.

GOPwits August 5, 2010 at 12:29 am

Three Jack you are correct. If the GOP keeps up it’s current behavior, we might as well just pack it up and call it a day.

I said it on another thread and I’ll say it again, we’re really going to have to talk about what it means to be a conservative if it now includes corruption, getting rich off of government, doing secret business with the government, and tolerating those under a federal grand jury investigation. I mean, even Tom DeLay resigned from Congress and his was only a state grand jury… And we know how all that corruption affected Congress in ’06…

Doug Grammer August 5, 2010 at 11:08 am

I love how you ignore I proved it was obvious he couldn’t remember what he posted. I guess two people who don’t know what they are talking about, or have trouble with facts, band together.
I could go down the line with all the innuendo you just posted, but you’d have to look up the word innuendo.

GOPwits August 5, 2010 at 11:22 am

You should really see someone about your blind allegiance to Nathan Deal’s corruption. It sound like a very serious problem.

Doug Grammer August 5, 2010 at 11:57 am

If I am pointing out that you are wrong on facts, that doesn’t mean I support anyone or anything other than the truth. You seem to think it’s OK to lie to support your candidates. I don’t.

debbie0040 August 3, 2010 at 9:24 am

“as more georgia legislators endorse deal, i become more certain of my support for karen handel.”

In this political climate, that hurts a candidate more than it helps . Because of the way the legislature basically “stuck together” and endorsed Deal, it made Deal the establishment/incumbent candidate that is supported by the good ole boy system. Clay Cox made the same mistake in the District 7 race and the voters rebelled because he began to be seen as the establishment/incumbent candidate. I have spoken with people that were on the fence and decided to support Karen because of that..The appearance is that the good ole boys are fighting to protect their broken system from a candidate that will come in and shake things up..

GOPwits August 5, 2010 at 12:26 am

Very accurate analysis Debbie. You are SPOT ON about Clay too.

Doug Grammer August 3, 2010 at 11:07 am

I think this poll is probably fairly accurate. However, a week can be an eternity in politics.

Doug Deal August 3, 2010 at 11:17 am

The overall statewide poll may be accurate, but it is nearly impossible to model turnout in a runoff, so I seriously doubt any of the numbers.

The CD breakdowns, however are a joke. If Landmark conducted a perfectly run poll, the margin of error based on pure randomness in the 7th (the largest reporting) would be about 9.5%. That means it is uncertain if the two candidates are tied even with a margin as high as 19% between then. Thus, it could not even be used to predict the winner of an average sized blowout.

The other CD’s are worse. In the 4th, with a sample size of 21, the MOE is 21%. A reported result of 70-30 would have a chance of being 49-51 and still be considered inside the MOE.

Serious pollsters would not break down this insignificatly small data with three units of percision. Making such a claim, one wonders how well the rest of the methodology was performed.

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 11:25 am

Your kids are lucky that you can help them with their math homework!

Doug Deal August 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm

My wife was an English major in college and taught high school before law school, so we hopefully have the bases covered. ;-)

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 12:31 pm

Despite virtually everything we hear about education, smart kids are the result of smart, caring parents. It’s really all that matters.

Doug Deal August 3, 2010 at 12:51 pm

I hope so, but in reality, the only thing I care about is for my son and the baby on the way to be good people, happy and healthy.

B Balz August 3, 2010 at 1:01 pm

Make sure you have dogs, if nobody is allergic!

polisavvy August 3, 2010 at 1:03 pm

That’s all that matters, Doug.

SFCWallace August 3, 2010 at 2:22 pm

Whatever…I want mine to be rich and generous…

polisavvy August 3, 2010 at 2:24 pm

They can’t be rich and generous if they aren’t happy and healthy, plus you have to be a good person to be generous.

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