• Doug Grammer says:

      One good reason? I give you 4 or more. Recently, Georgia has been trending more and more Republican. The odds are better than 50/50 that the GOP nominee will be the next Governor. If you have a preference between Sec. Handel and Congressman Deal, this is your best chance to make that known with your vote. If you don’t care who your Gov. will be, don’t vote.

      There are 3 (or more, depending on where you live) other races to consider as well. Some people maybe prone to vote LP in the general, but this is your chance to have a say in who has at least a 50/50 chance of getting elected.

    • B Balz says:

      Because missing a chance to vote, any vote, is admitting one is unengaged, doesn’t care enough to make a difference, and is generally un-American. You are not any of those things, so go VOTE!

      Numerically, so few people will come out for this run off, your single vote can really makes a difference.

      • EBurkeDisciple says:

        Death may be a bit strong (but maybe not). However, I suggest that if you miss two elections you lose your vote. It would help a lot if there were a few more qualifications to vote – like having paid taxes last year and/or owning property for which you paid taxes. That might help the liberals warm up to the Fair Tax.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      If I accepted your labels, then I guess you should have found a better candidate to back and win the GOP nomination. You don’t like the choices? Don’t vote. When one of them wins, I will remind you that you could have had something to back someone more to your liking if you had worked harder in the GOP Primary. For all I know, from the ones running, Sen. Johnson could have been your choice. Maybe you should have talked to Ray Boyd about signing the pledge? Out of every Republican in the state, who would you put in the mansion?

      • griftdrift says:

        I f you think I would vote for Eric Johnson, then you really don’t know very much about me.

        But let me turn it around on you. Instead of me finding a candidate to support (which I did and then that candidate decided to pander to the most base part of the party), how about the party turn up candidates that have the gumption to tell the most bull fruit loony segments of the party to go stick it?

        • B Balz says:

          Can’t change what is, today, but I like it that you want to start. Keep on truckin’!

          Courtesy: Billy Joel “We didn’t Start the Fire”

          ’49 harry truman, doris day, red china, johnnie ray South pacific, walter winchell, joe dimaggio
          ’50 joe mccarthy, richard nixon, studebaker, television North korea, south korea, marilyn monroe
          ’51 rosenbergs, h-bomb, sugar ray, panmunjom Brando, the king and I and the catcher in the rye
          ’52 eisenhower, vaccine, england’s got a new queen Marciano, liberace, santayana goodbye

          Chorus: We didn’t start the fire It was always burning Since the world’s been turning We didn’t start the fire No we didn’t light it But we tried to fight it’

          ’53 joseph stalin, malenkov, nasser and prokofievRockefeller, campanella, communist bloc
          ’54 roy cohn, juan peron, toscanini, dacron Dien bien phu falls, rock around the clock
          ’55 einstein, james dean, brooklyn’s got a winning team Davy crockett, peter pan, elvis presley, disneyland
          ’56 bardot, budapest, alabama, krushchevPrincess grace, peyton place, trouble in the suez


          ’57 little rock, pasternak, mickey mantle, kerouac Sputnik, chou en-lai, bridge on the river kwai
          ’58 lebanon, charles de gaulle, california baseball Starkweather, homicide, children of thalidomide
          ’59 buddy holly, ben hur, space monkey, mafiaHula hoops, castro, edsel is a no-go
          ’60 u-2, syngman rhee, payola and kennedy Chubby checker, psycho, belgians in the congo


          ’61 hemingway, eichmann, stranger in a strange land Dylan, berlin, bay of pigs invasion
          ’62 lawrence of arabia, british beatlemania Ole miss, john glenn, liston beats patterson
          ’63 pope paul, malcolm x, british politician sex Jfk, blown away, what else do I have to say


          ’64 – ’89 birth control, ho chi minh, richard nixon back again Moonshot, woodstock, watergate, punk rock Begin, reagan, palestine, terror on the airline Ayatollah’s in iran, russians in afghanistanWheel of fortune, sally ride, heavy metal, suicide Foreign debts, homeless vets, aids, crack, bernie goetzHypodermics on the shores, china’s under martial law Rock and roller cola wars, I can’t take it anymore


          We didn’t start the fire But when we are gone Will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on…

          • polisavvy says:

            Love it, B Balz. My son had a history professor who used this song in his curriculum. Pretty cool song to teach history, isn’t it?

              • polisavvy says:

                I beg to disagree with you about the grade level. It’s an interesting approach to get the kids interested in learning in a fun way. I can assure you that my kids and the kids around where I live right now, even on the high school level, don’t know every detail of the events mentioned in that song. He didn’t just play the song once, give them a test on the song, and then send them out the door. He went into great detail about each and every event . Far more in-depth than 8th-12th grade level. The song was played basically to let them know what was coming for the semester.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          So Rep. Scott was your guy? He’s a good man in my book.

          “how about the party turn up candidates that have the gumption to tell the most bull fruit loony segments of the party to go stick it?”

          I think we had a wide selection of candidates to choose from. Most of them I would have been happy with. We let the primary process work and the voters have narrowed that down for us to two choices. You may not like A or B, but that’s all you have on the 10th. The winner will have to craft a message they will appeal to 50%+1 of the voters in November. That may or many not include segments of Georgia that have opinions different than yours.

          • HowardRoark says:

            No, you also have option C. Give the finger to your party in hopes of sending them into exile until they get their act together. I don’t buy the idea that my parties nominee always and everywhere deserves my support. If Georgia gets a little bluer on a night when the rest of the country goes a little redder on Nov 2, there will be some long overdue contemplation on the part of Georgia republicans. Might be good for us. You might even reconsider the Grammar Doctrine of “Loyalty to the Party is loyalty to the State, Comrade!” and “Everything is hunky dory as long as Republicans are in control”

            • Doug Grammer says:

              Unless you are just trying to insult me, eventually, you will learn how to spell my name. It’s Grammer and it is right in front of you. Cut and paste will work if you are having trouble typing it.

              Option C: Cut off my nose to spite my face, or put people in power who will do things that I strongly disagree with because the people who I agree with most of the time aren’t perfect. I understand your option and I reject it. Do as you will.

              As far as 100% party loyalty every time goes, see my post below. That also means I should be working within my party to make it and our candidates better. That’s what I am doing.

    • Doug Grammer says:

      My question was for Grift. However, we can explore this. You would let a party label keep you from voting for someone? I’ll assume you are voting for Monds, so feel free to correct me. If he ran as a Republican, he wouldn’t get your vote? If Gov. Barnes had switched parties and got the GOP nomination, he wouldn’t get your vote? If whomever you plan on voting for now was a Republican, they wouldn’t get your vote? Let’s assume, just for a second, that’s there was only one party running candidates in Georgia. If it were the GOP, you would no longer vote?

      • Jace Walden says:

        The question was:

        Out of every Republican in the state, who would you put in the mansion?

        John Monds and Roy Barnes are not Republicans. The fact is, as of right now, there isn’t a Republican in this state that I would want to see in the Governor’s mansion. If John Monds joined the GOP down the road, I’d wager it’s because the GOP woke the f*ck up out of its coma and started debating legitimate issues and fielding legitimate candidates. If this happens, then I would definitely vote GOP. But I can pretty much sum up the GOP in three phrases:

        Gay marriage. Abortion. Loyalty Oath.

        Thanks, but no thanks.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          I’m glad you are objective. Thanks for playing. BTW, I would go with these three phrases to describe the GOP: smaller government, lower taxes, and a strong defense.
          I would use 2 words for the LP: 5%.

          • Jace Walden says:

            I would go with these three phrases to describe the GOP: smaller government, lower taxes, and a strong defense.

            That’s weird, because in my political lifetime (after Regean, because I was too young to care) the GOP has never reduced the size of government, never decreased our overall tax burden (sure they’ve cut some taxes, but have raised others to make up for it) and have never really been strong on defending our nation.

            Are we talking about the same GOP? I’m confused now.

            • Jace Walden says:


              In all seriousness, I’m not a man of TheParty. I even let my LP membership expire this year. I have roamed from party to party since high school. I actually did settle in the GOP for a while a few years ago, before officially joining the Libertarian Party. Now, I’m not even a member of that, even though the LP is more closely attuned to my views than any other party.

              Honestly, I would welcome a chance to be in the GOP again, but it’s going to be under my conditions. And, I’m sorry, but the Social Conservative Hypocrisy of the GOP (and you know what I’m talking about) has got to go. That is a huge sticking point for me.

              If there’s ever a day when the GOP rises above all of this holier-than-thou social crap, then I might consider being a Republican. But as things are, I’m more than happy where I am–basically partyless, but a strong supporter of the LP and a huge critic of the GOP.

              • B Balz says:

                Frankly, many GOP voters, at least those who value intellectual honesty over pure partisanship, feel just as you do, Mr. Waldon. I know I am angry that the GOP wasted a lot of time and got few results in the ’90’s to current.

                We rode the bull for all she was worth, and now the brand is tarnished. Silver can be polished, and I am hopeful a new breed of socially moderate, fiscally conservative GOP’ers will lead the way.

                A third party scares the stuffing out of partisans for obvious reasons. If the Libs can take advantage of the public’s discontent, focus that and brand it to a mainstream level of acceptance, y’all will have my attention and that of many others.

              • Doug Grammer says:


                I wrote my post which posted at about 12:30 around 2:30 PM. I had computer issues and went to Forsyth County and just got home and posted it.

                I will be the first to admit that the GOP isn’t perfect and neither are their candidates. It and they are usually preferable to the alternative. It and they are also realistic choices. You may tilt at wind mills along with the rest of the LP, but until they recruit better candidates and change their platform, the odds of a LP candidate being elected to statewide office in Georgia are ZERO (not even 5%). I know some may not like it, but I’m calling it like I see it. They may occasionally force a run off, but they will never elect anyone statewide without MAJOR changes. That means some of your members will have to quit wanting their pot to be legal. If they can’t get past that, then the rest won’t matter, because Georgia won’t be electing anyone who wants pot legal.

                To end, if you want to change the GOP, it’s far easier to do that from the inside than to wait outside for them to change into what you want. Just something for you to think about. It’s the path I’m taking.

            • EBurkeDisciple says:

              Jace: The term Republican has a connotation and a denotation. The majority using that term set the connotation by their actions. That is why many have started using the term Conservative instead of Republican. I will not vote for a party again but there are a few conservatives in the Republican and precious fewer in the Democrat Parties. As to your issue with social issues. Conservatives conserve, as Burke noted and spawned the term ‘conservative’ – so for us the social issues are part and parcel of what we want to protect. Like limited government, low taxes, respect for property rights and a strong defense issues like marriage, life, and other traditional morality concepts have proven over time to produce good results – the results we want to conserve. Big government, high taxes, impotent defense along with homosexuality, a culture without respect for life or propperty, and other ‘minor’ issues like disrespect for parents produces something much less desirable. There is an interconnected relationship between conservative fiscal values and conservative moral values – and visa versa. So, as you search for a place to hang your hat….

              • Jace Walden says:


                Honestly, I could care less what someone’s personal social views are. It’s a free country. Believe whatever you want. I don’t have a problem with social conservatives.

                What I do have a problem with is hypocrites and demagogues who use their bully pulpit of government position to ram their own version of morality down our throats, while (behind our backs) trying to f*ck their male interns.

                Is the Democratic party free of hypocrites? Hell no, but at least while they’re getting blow jobs behind the desk of the oval office, they’re not trying to pass laws that prevent anyone else from doing it.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              I realize that you are man in uniform and I respect that. However, you don’t remember President Clinton declaring a peace divided and cutting the military budget almost in half? Say what you will about President George W. Bush (43), but after 9/11 we weren’t attacked by the same group in the US again on the same level as before. I’ll state that I consider the shooter in Fort Hood to be part of the jihad. I think we should have gone further and bombed Iran when it became obvious that they were supplying weapons and IED parts to kill our troops, but then again, I’m mean like that.

              I think you are looking exclusively at national issues, and the platform still spell it out that we should be voting that way. We deserved to loose control of congress and when we take it back, I hope we do better. My GOP commissioner has reduced our taxes and made my local government smaller, and that’s been repeated through different areas across the state. No candidate or GOP official is perfect, but most of them are the best choice available. However, when I encounter someone who I think is more qualified and will do a better job in a different party, I will cross vote.

              That’s the difference between us. I won’t let a party label get the my way of my vote if I think someone is better for the job than the GOP nominee. Statewide, I don’t see that happening. Every once in a long while at the local level, it happens.

          • Bens says:

            ” I would go with these three phrases to describe the GOP: smaller government, lower taxes, and a strong defense.”

            That is my hope for the party. But there is a lot of manure to shovel out in the meantime 🙂

          • “I would go with these three phrases to describe the GOP: smaller government, lower taxes, and a strong defense.
            I would use 2 words for the LP: 5%.”

            Funny… I really only needed 2 words for the GOP: Democrat Lite.

  1. justpeachy says:

    Done, Handel for Governor, Sam Olens Attorney General, Ralph Hudgems Insurance Commissioner, John Douglas Public Service Commissioner, and Rob Woodall 7th district Congress.

  2. newsgirl says:

    I am going to hold my nose and vote at some point. Probably on Vote Day since there will not be a line to stand in.

    • polisavvy says:

      That’s how I felt on several of the races. Not a warm, fuzzy feeling when I left the election office, that’s for sure.

  3. ZazaPachulia says:

    Hey Griftdrift, I got one good reason for you to vote:

    To keep Tim Echols from cashing in on a $115,000 salary with nice benefits.

  4. flyonthewall says:

    I was just informed of something that I found very disturbing. Two different people have noified me that they were “blacklisted” from posting on this site. That in of itself does not disturb me. What disturbs me was that both were suppoerters of Mr. Deal and both were blocked from posting after posting in support of Mr. Deal.

    Has this site spun so out of control and so deep into Mrs. Handel’s back pocket that it deters or is scared of debate? Is it so scared of allowing the theme of any discussion to stray from “ethics” for even one second in fear that such a discussion may actually expose whatever deficiencies Mrs. Hanel may have (yes, Eric, I know she is perfect, but at least allow someone to hypothetically argue that she isn’t).

    In the years that I have visited this site I have never witnessed someone blocked from posting based on their views. Sure, posters have been banned because of method with which they communicated their views (ie cursing, personal attacks, etc…), but never because they supported a certain view or candidate.

    This is has been a sad primary season on a lot of levels. These candidates have shown us a new low with respect to how we can eat our own. So much so that we really have left very little for the opposition party to do themselves. But even more sad in my opinion has been the transformation of this site from a great forum of debate, comraderie, and discussion to a center of propoganda and lies.

    Yeah, Aug. 10 with change things; unfortunately, one of those things will be that I among many will quit this site.

    • Icarus says:

      The rules are very clear.

      If you’re not here to participate in discussion, but instead insist on spamming the same link across multiple threads, then you are gone. Doesn’t matter who you support.

      The fact that a few of Deal’s sock puppets feel entitled to ignore this because they feel this is a Handel site doesn’t change the basic premise: If you’re here to have a civil discussion, you’re welcome to participate. If you’re here to go under any thread you deem relevent to drop a note to redirect to another site, you are not.

      • flyonthewall says:

        But Icarus, isn’t referencing material from other locations relevant to points made on this site not a legitmate method of debating the issues?

        If Mr. X or even this site makes arguement A, why isn’t it not acceptable for Mr. Z to reference arguement B to rebut Mr. X’s arguement?

        By blocking out persons that make it a point of making the “arguement Bs” hasn’t this site then gotten into the business of censoring the information available to it’s readers.

        The amount of subjectivity this site has demonstrated with respect to what are legitimate sources of information and what isn’t is remarkable.

        • Icarus says:


          Not when it’s posted out of context, across multiple threads.

          They’re not victims, they’re spammers. And they’re gone.

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