Having ceded the high ground….

Deal and Handel will mud wrestle while Roy Barnes will discuss issues:

1) Education.
2) Ethics
3) Education: Teachers
4) Ethics
5) Wasteful Spending. Boat Ramps vs Teachers
6) Education
7) Taxes
8 ) Foreclosures
9) “We have become known as the state that can prohibit microchips, allow you to eat your road kill, and seriously considered seceding from the Union”

And while not Shining City On a Hill worth, he closes with:
“It’s time to make this state shine with the great potential that it has, and to allow us to give to the next generation, the hope and promise all of us have had.”

Roy has staked out the middle of the bell curve. Handel will find it difficult to retake that political real-estate and Nathan Ghetto-Grandmother Deal is probably too senile to try.


  1. Tireless says:

    I am starting to believe Barnes may be considerably more conservative than Handel. Handel should consider a bold strategy that positions her to the left of Barnes. This tactic would be consistent with her beliefs and her record.

    • John Konop says:



      Please help us understand the differences on fiscal issues between Handel and Deal? As far as the gay bashing, studies do show must people who promote this are closet gay people frustrated with their life. If you are gay must of will not judge you. And the banning of stem-cell research for private business is a fiscally liberal position not conservative.

        • John Konop says:


          Research by US psychologist Prof. Adams of the University of Georgia suggests that 80 percent of men who are homophobic have secret homosexual feelings.

          In Prof. Adams’s test, homophobic men who said they were exclusively heterosexual were shown gay sex videos. Four out of five became sexually aroused by the homoerotic imagery, as recorded by a penile circumference measuring device (a plethysmograph).

          Prof. Adams’s research was published in the prestigious US Journal of Abnormal Psychology in
          1996, with the backing of the American Psychological Association.

          • HowardRoark says:

            Studies also show that PP commenters who post extensively about other poster’s homophobia are obnoxious. For someone who claims to be focused on fiscal issues and not care about homosexual unions, you sure do reference penile circumferences a lot.

            Tireless, this will be a race between a centrist and a center-right candidate. Roy has positioned himself right in the dead center of the electorate. Karen, while more moderate than some of her opponents is still right-ish. Her challenge will be turnout of the hardcore conservative base. Roy’s will be picking off soft R’s.

            And yes, I’m assuming Karen wins. I’m not 100% confident of that, but that’s my initial prognostication.

            • John Konop says:


              No I do not gay bash. But we all know that it looks like an 80% chance we know why you gay bash. And if you are gay I would not use that against you in the work place……..

          • NoTeabagging says:

            Nathan Deal’s daughter, Katie, is an actress. You would think she would school him on why gay bashing is not good.

        • B Balz says:

          Web logs a re rich source for oppositional research. You can pretty much be assured that if you present any credible information on virtually any topic, the opposition will put a study on their FAQ web site refuting what you said.

          • John Konop says:

            B Balz,

            You have to admit it is very bizarre behavior to gay bash. Why would any rational person do this unless they had some strange deep dark secrete in their mind?

            Our country is facing some very difficult times over the next few years. We need people focused on solving the problems and pushing the economy forward, black, white, gay, male, female……….

            This is especially not the time to use gut issues to tear us apart over focusing on REAL ISSUES!

            • polisavvy says:

              You made some excellent points, John. I don’t get the whole gay bashing aspect of politics. Their votes count just as quickly as the straight vote. To disenfrancise a group of people because of their sexual oritentation seems more like the 1950’s than 2010.

            • B Balz says:

              Oh I agree with your premise and statements, I just know that when folks continually ask for data, studies, etc. on a topic, they may very well be doing opposition research.

              • Bucky Plyler says:

                I looked at two summaries of the study done by Henry E. Adams of UGA. I have concluded that John Konop is a weird dude, & I wonder why this has anyting to do with Roy Barnes !

                  • Bucky Plyler says:

                    John…why don’t you just stop with your obsessive thoughts since you brought up this line of reasoning? My team was defeated Tues. & you’re not convincing me to consider Handel at all.

                    As I’ve said before, you are an interesting man who I disagree with most of the time.

                    • B Balz says:

                      With respect, I don’t see many folks from N. GA voting for Ms. Handel.

                      If Team Johnson/Chapman/Oxendine endorse their MAN, then it will be a tough pull for Ms. Handel.

                      At this point, both candidates should mutually agree to avoid AJC described ‘most Conservative” attacks-on-each-other.

                    • Bucky Plyler says:

                      Well, here’s one thing I know for sure. There’s no amount of money that can lure me to be in Henry E. Adams’ research. The mental image of the “meter” used & the electrodes to hook it up….that’s enough for me…. & the porno movies are another subject !

  2. Roy probably won a few votes with this speech. If I weren’t voting for John Monds, the Libertarian, in November I’d be strongly considering Roy.

  3. drjay says:

    i am becoming so disenchanted, i am a conservative, but i am also pragmatic. i subscribe to the 80% friend not being a 20% enemy theory. i get that some folks just don’t make the grade, that scozafava woman in ny for instance, or arlen spector, and i get that some folks can say they are conservative and really lose sight of that when they are in office (graham in sc maybe?) but are we becoming adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the name of purity, handel may not be jesse helms, but she ain’t john lindsay either… our party has in all it’s excitement with tea parties and what not nominated the one woman in nevada that harry reid can beat to retain his senate seat, the rand paul experiment in ky is dicier than it should be, and we have pushed crist into a lieberman scenario for a seat that should have been an easy one to retain as well (i like rubio as much as the next guy, but maybe a guv run would have made more sense in hindsight?) another roy barnes term, during redistricting no less, strong work gop…

    • B Balz says:

      “The tail ends of the Bell Curve do not wag the dog.” When fiscally conservative, socially ambivalent PEOPLE hear the rights things from a candidate, their voice and numbers will prevail.

      The AJC is trying to, and may well succeed, in framing the GOP run off as a battle toward Conservatism. That would be OK, if that battle was over fiscal conservatism, with an emphasis on less government intervention in our most personal decisions.

      • ACCmoderate says:

        But knowing the kind of swings Nathan Deal has already leveled at Karen Handel, it probably won’t be a battle over fiscal conservatism.

        The problem is that Roy will be spending the next three weeks framing the issues while Deal and Handel rumble over social issues.

        When the Republicans finally do select a nominee, Roy will have already taken the lead in laying out a reasoned position on jobs, education, the economy, and development.

        • B Balz says:

          Yup. And the GOP may very well forge ahead with a set of issues, while important morally, may not resonate with ‘everyman’.

          Roy and Dan Becker could be ‘bff’! Talk about strange bedfellows.

  4. In The Arena says:

    Let’s center the debate in the runoff around 4 issues:

    1. Public Safety
    2. Education
    3. Health Care
    4. Infrastructure (Water/Transportation)

    Nathan Deal has a deep understanding of all of these critical issues and I am sure would be happy to debate them thoroughly. The first chance he will get to do so will be against Roy Barnes.

    Karen Handel would have to say bring it on to wikipedia and brush up on some talking points. The reason she has steered the debate towards “mud wrestling” (false accusations against all her opponents, celebrity endorsements, backtracking on previous stances, etc.) is because of her lack of comprehension of all the major issues.

    For all of those frustrated with the lack of quality discourse on relevant issues, just remember that it is Karen Handel who has dragged us here.

    • kyleinatl says:

      I have to admit, I don’t particularly care for much of the man’s views…but Nathan Deal was the only candidate on the republican side who had/has any understanding of how healthcare should actually work, and ideas to improve it, as well as the science involved in innovation.

    • John Konop says:

      In The Arena,

      Without economic growth the below 4 will be meaningless. We need jobs. jobs…… No jobs no money! That is why we cannot afford to destroy private business over the state telling private business how to use stem-cells.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      I think Deal bashes Karen on the non-issues to keep the focus off the fact that maybe he doesn’t have a plan for Georgia that is as good as Karen’s.

  5. I Am Jacks Post says:

    “Deal is probably too senile to try.”

    Ahhh, age jokes. Almost as funny as fat jokes.

    Welcome to the 6th grade, dick.

    • HowardRoark says:

      I also found it ironic that in a post titled “Having ceded the high ground…” the poster attacks a candidates age. There’s a lot of reasons I didn’t for Nathan Deal, but his age definitely wasn’t one of them.

    • Capt. Jack Sparrow says:

      The crook deserves it. Maybe that can be his legal defense over the no-bid contracts…

  6. In The Arena says:

    Without these four, economic growth will be impossible.

    1. Public Safety
    2. Education
    3. Health Care
    4. Infrastructure

    • John Konop says:

      In The Arena,

      As a business person any successful plan has short term, mid term and long term goals. The biggest problem the state faces immediately is a major shortfall in tax revenue. When you combine the 1 billion dollars in one time revenues used to balance the budget and the massive shortfall in state workers healthcare which I have been warning about we have a real mess.

      That is why we must focus the effort on raising tax revenue ASAP and making cuts or we are heading into a wall. And that is why I have been bushing using tax a abatement money to help businesses get loans for expansion. Also we must raise user fees like it or not on services to cover the cost and push the burden on people using the service. We must reform the healthcare retirement fund for state workers yesterday or it will overwhelm the budget. And cross utilize state agencies better to save money and create efficiencies. And make some tough cuts.

      Your wish list has no money to pay for what you want under the current budget.

      • polisavvy says:

        John, I think that people sometimes think that money grows on trees. They have great, almost fantastic ideas. The problem is that they can’t come up with logical, affordable ways to fund what’s on their wish list.

          • polisavvy says:

            We do indeed, John. People who don’t own their own businesses have absolutely no idea how rough it is, do they? I have figured out that some of the most vocal ones are more than likely employees, not employers. There’s a huge difference in their grasp of the situation.

        • B Balz says:

          Ms. Handel:

          We must reform the healthcare retirement fund for state workers yesterday or it will overwhelm the budget.

          Mr. Deal:

          We must reform the healthcare retirement fund for state workers yesterday or it will overwhelm the budget.

          Mr. Barnes:

          We must reform the healthcare retirement fund for state workers yesterday or it will overwhelm the budget.

          • Harry says:

            We must reform the defined benefit retirement plan for teachers yesterday or it will overwhelm the state as well as school district budgets.

            • I’m not familiar with the teacher retirement plan, but why can’t we start any new teachers on a 401k type program like other employers provide? Maybe have a variable match depending on performance or state budget status or something?

              • Harry says:

                Putting them on social security + matching 401k would go a long way to solving the problem. Of course it’s political issue.

              • polisavvy says:

                That’s a fantastic idea, David. I’m all for it. I particularly like the part about “depending on performance.” The good teachers should be rewarded more than the mediocre teachers. Of course, that’s just my opinion. If it works successfully for businesses, which it does, it should work successfully for education (which, at the end of the day, is a form of big business).

                • Lady Thinker says:

                  But in order for that to work, teacher’s hands must be untied and the NCLB tossed out with the trash.

              • John Konop says:


                It is the healthcare benefit part.

                The problem is healthcare cost is rising faster than any rational return on money. And the government did not reserve correctly to falsely claim they are balancing the budget. The liability is about 18 billion with a 4 % reserve according to the pew institute. And if you ad up the lack of reserve for state around the country it is about 1 trillion dollars.

                BTW this is the similar issue with Medicare.

                Real solutions:

                1) Benefits must be indexed based on life expectancy ie raise the age of retirement
                2) Cuts must be made to eliminate non essential procedures.
                3) Co–pays, fees…. must be increased
                4) End of life cost cannot take up the majority of the benefits for this to be viable private or public. Solutions like end of life directives must be promoted.
                5) We must create efficiencies in the system via technology
                6) We must promote efficiencies via using dial a doc, pharmacies….for low level care
                7) We must promote wellness
                8) We must allow trained nurses to do more on low level treatments.
                9) We must make sure people are all paying into the system and not allow people to use emergency rooms as a back-up health insurance plan
                10) We must realize not everyone we get the level of healthcare.

                • Harry says:


                  Have you read anything about what impact Obamacare will have on high-deductible health insurance, which seems to be one of the main ways small business can offset the cost increases?

                  • Harry says:

                    All of your points are good ones. Again, how does Obamacare impact them? I’m not one of those who thinks Obamacare is all 100% evil, but I remain very skeptical.

                  • John Konop says:


                    No nothing please share a link. I also for got to mention but taking away the anti-trust exemption would be a big help with price fixing in the health insurance industry and promoting competition.

                  • Harry says:

                    One thing that really bothers me is the ability of illegal aliens to come here and have babies and get WIC etc. at taxpayer expense. My sister, who works in a welfare office, provided the example of a young girl age 20 who already has 5 babies, one every year since age 16.

                    • polisavvy says:

                      Harry, you and John have brought forward some very important thoughts and aspects of the health care issue. Illegals should not be covered to the extent they are presently. It has the potential to bankrupt the states where they live. Something has to be done regarding this. I am just concerned about an “Executive Power” slam down to us all regarding the illegal immigrant issue. It is in the realm of possibility.

                  • B Balz says:

                    This is a good resource from:


                    The Pre-Existing Conditions Insurance Plan and Web Portal are Live!

                    An important reform of the 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act takes effect July 1 when Georgians who have been without health coverage for at least six months and who have been denied coverage because of pre-existing health conditions will be given access to affordable, quality coverage. They will receive it through a new Pre-existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) created by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).To find the new coverage available in Georgia and information about the complete range of health coverage options available for consumers by ZIP code through a website set up by HHS, see http://www.healthcare.gov

                    The HHS Web site and other information about the new program will be available on July 1. The new website is the first to provide consumers and small businesses with information about private insurance, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program, Medicare, and other coverage options in one place. Federal officials are emphasizing that the PCIP is not the long-term solution to the insurance industry’s practice of denying coverage based on pre-existing conditions; instead, it will serve as a bridge to 2014, when the reform law bans denials of coverage based on pre-existing conditions.

                    State-Level Implementation and Insurance Regulation: New Resources from the NAIC

                    Over the next several years, state Insurance Commissioners will play an important role in implementing the new federal health care law. The National Association of Insurance Commissioners, comprised of health insurance regulators across the 50 states, is charged with several standard-setting and consultative responsibilities and now has a special section on its website dedicated to state insurance regulation and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA). Among other things, the site includes information about potential funding opportunities for states through PPACA, a glossary of health care terms, and information about the new high-risk pools, now known as the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP).

                • TalmadgeGhost says:

                  4) End of life cost cannot take up the majority of the benefits for this to be viable private or public. Solutions like end of life directives must be promoted.

                  Sarah Palin just started screaming “DEATH PANEL” for no apparent reason upon this posting.

                  • polisavvy says:

                    Talmadge, I think some people view “Death Panels” as the same thing as a firing squad. People should have a say as to what happens to them and when, not some bureaucrat. Case in point — my mother. She was diagnosed with terminal, inoperable cancer in February ’05. She opted for no treatment, after all, there was nothing wrong his her mentally. She died in April ’05. Did anyone have the right to force a treatment on her? Of course not. Did she have the right to end her own life? Of course. The point is that the decision should be the patient’s and the patient’s alone.

                  • polisavvy says:

                    My doctor’s office has been providing that service for years. Also, some of the pharmacies have had nurses available for minor illnesses since before health care passed. BTW, how did your candidates do on Tuesday? Most of mine lost. 🙁

              • Bama Josey says:

                The Employees Retirement Plan was changed effective July 1, 2009 whereby there is a 1% defined benefit plan per year of service and a 401K matching up to 3-5 %. The Teachers Retirement System was exempted from the legislation due to heavy lobbying on their part. The State of Georgia cannot expect much in the way of quality long term state employees with the current salary structure and the new retirement. I will probably get bashed for this comment, but I am trying to give a perspective from someone that sees how the current attrition can effect a state agency.

                • B Balz says:

                  That what most fail to realize Bama Josey. Working for the State pays dividends for future security, higher than the private sector, because of less current benefits.

                  Get the cheapest and worst possible employees working for the State = Bad news.

  7. In The Arena says:

    A little quiz for Karen Handel:

    1) How many counties are there in Georgia?

    2) How many counties would have to spend millions to rebuild their water systems if the changes to the law she has proposed are actually implemented?

    • In The Arena says:

      The answers are 159 and 108. Figure it out. On second thought, I would not bet the farm on Mrs. Handel being able to put 2 and 2 together.

  8. fishtail says:

    Looking at Roy Barnes give his election night speech should scare the socks off Handel and Deal. Neither of them are practiced at this sort of oratory. The Democratic ticket will be pretty attractive with a good mix of candidates. Expect them to campaign as a group. Will the GOP ticket campaign as a group, given that Casey Cagle and Mark Butler are toting a lot of ethical baggage? Food for thought that will have to be digested and acted upon very soon after the GOP runoff.

    • Icarus says:

      Now that the Dems have decided they needed Hodges to carry/turn out SW GA, I think they’ve ceded that whole ethics issue in the down ballot races.

      • wmo says:

        I think Hodges performance in the primary shows no one really cares about those charges. Which is a shame, but still…

        • ACCmoderate says:

          It shows that the AJC Politifact might have more sway than anyone thought. When their article came out refuting Telheit’s ad, it stopped all momentum that he was hoping to gain from it.

          I think Hodges has a good shot against Olens or Smith. He can pretty much use the same angle he used against Telheit: “I’m a prosecutor, I’ve actually tried cases… my opponent is just a politician that has no clue what goes on inside a courtroom.”

          Does the AG in Georgia only prosecute cases? No… but most people think that’s his only job.

    • B Balz says:

      That’s if anyone shows up to vote on the Dem side. Turnout will determine everything. A low Dem turnout, evidenced in the primary, is not ‘hopey changey. ‘

      • polisavvy says:

        I, for one, hope there’s a low Dem turnout. That will definitely send a message to D.C., particularly if there is a high Rep turnout.

        • B Balz says:

          I would never hope for a low turnout, our problems need voter input. I would hope that GOP withstands the stains a few have put on us, in lieu of our core principles.

          • polisavvy says:

            While ordinarily I would agree with you, after the election in 2008 when people were voting for someone that they knew absolutely nothing about; hadn’t even tried to learn anything about them; had their decisions “spoon fed” to them by the media; and didn’t even know names most of the candidates, I decided that perhaps since the turnout was high in 2008, it might not be a bad thing for it to be low in 2010. For some reason I think that the lower the turnout the more those that turnout will actually have voters who have a clue about the candidate they are voting. (Not sure I made sense on this one, was trying to word it carefully so as not to offend anyone). Do you understand my point?

            • kyleinatl says:

              I get what you were you going for…and I think it was pretty true on both sides. I still 100% believe the nomination of Sarah Palin made the race 1000x more divisive.

            • polisavvy says:

              kyleinatl, you are probably correct about Palin’s nomination. Glad you understood what I was trying to say. Sometimes I worry I’m not expressing myself correctly (and not wanting to offending anyone).

  9. TalmadgeGhost says:

    I just hope Erik and the rest of the Handel bunch are ready for our great state to be governed by someone in Alaska.

    Do you all not see what is happening? Do you not see where all of this is going?

    Back two women in the South for Governor, back one in California for Senate.

    When it’s time to make the run at the White House in 2012 – where are two obvious choices for someone from Alaska to pick a VP… The Deep South or California (California is of course the first choice with all those electoral votes).

    So, if Handel wins – not all is lost. She’ll quit in two years to run with Palin for the White House.

  10. NoTeabagging says:

    If Roy can keep this up and never use the words ‘Republican Party’ in referencing ‘the other team’ or use the words “Democratic Party’ to defend his beliefs, he may have a chance. Roy needs to distance himself from party politics, defending Obama, other democrats and just talk about plans and strengths. And yes, he can sound conservative doing it and not lose party votes.

  11. Doug Grammer says:

    Listening to this video Gov. Barnes apparent tactic will be to tell us how bad Georgia is and how much of a joke we are nationally. We aren’t perfect but we are a lot better off than we could be.

    When he gets into the specifics of everything he will want to do, the next question will be how will we pay for it? The answer is new taxes.

    • kyleinatl says:

      and your solution would be what exactly Doug?
      Until the GOP comes to the table with solutions, it’s really hard to even take the increased taxation argument seriously.

      Also frankly, it doesn’t take higher taxes to get a wrangle on the riff-raff that promotes idiotic bills like SB 169 or the micro-chipping legislation.

      • Doug Grammer says:

        My solutions would be to continue to cut spending and trimming waste. We still have fat to cut. I would be in favor of Zero Based Budgeting. I would be in favor of eliminating the state income tax and replacing it with a state sales tax. It’s not perfect, but it’s fairer. I would be in favor of a similar bill to Arizona’s in regards to illegal immigration. You may not like it, but I’ve read where illegals costs Georgia a billion or more a year. You may not have liked him as a candidate (or you may have) but I liked Com. Oxendines long term plans for building new roads that were similar to the Georgia Public Policy Foundation’s suggestions. I’d be for ending the toll on Georgia 400 and putting tolls on the new roads I just mentioned. I’d be in favor of the maglev train. It may not pay for itself with the fees collected from passengers, but the economy along the stops would grow very quickly and increasing the tax base. I might have to see a study on it before I signed off on it completely, but I would at least look strongly at it.

        There are other things I would do, but I’m not sure what problems you are looking for solutions for. On the other hand, not looking at what I would do, Gov. Barnes will be throwing out some ideas that will need more taxes. Bank on it.

        • TalmadgeGhost says:

          ” I would be in favor of a similar bill to Arizona’s in regards to illegal immigration. You may not like it, but I’ve read where illegals costs Georgia a billion or more a year.”

          Doug would also be in favor of $4 oranges, and paying a lot more for a lot of other things (houses, landscaping, etc.) Doug, I just think that this argument about illegals, when put into economic terms always ends up as a zero-sum game.. there are lots of economic benefits to these folks being here too, if that were not the case, they wouldn’t be here. You seem like a very thoughtful and well-versed individual, so I bet you can probably direct me to a study showing a non-partisan look at the real economic impact for a massive crack-down on illegals.

          I’m with you however on the trains and mass transit… are you certain you are a Republican in this state? You are not in lock-step with crucifying public transportation.

          I take umbrage (love that word) with Barnes will have ideas that require more taxes. The Dems that ran this state for decades, and Roy was one of them, were the most fiscally sound individuals this state has ever seen. Point to one single year before “Republican Rule” that Georgia ever had a budget deficit since Reconstruction.

      • Doug Grammer says:

        I’d also introduce a tougher ethics bill than what was just passed, I’d get rid of Go Fish, I make some tweaks on the sexual predator section of OCGA so the an 17 year old who was with a 15 year isn’t treated the same way as a rapist, and it should come as a shock, I might even look at the ballot access laws.

        No, I wouldn’t be for legalizing drugs, but I might make some changes so the users are treated as addicts, and I would probably be for some really draconian punishments for pushers.

        Disclaimer, I don’t plan on running for legislature any time soon.

        • B Balz says:

          Doug, I published a few important facts on Zero Based budgeting, you may want to rethink that idea.

          A consumption tax punishes the poor and middle class, while older folks and the wealthy can pick and choose their purchases. Consumption taxes are not static, they will go up as government demands more money, burdening those who can least afford to pay, the most.

          Immigration reform could start with a uniform policy of reporting illegals to ICE, like Gwinnett already does. How can one County do it and the other 158 do not? We don’t need more law, we need more law enforcement of the existing laws.

          Otherwise, some really good ideas!

          • Cobb also has the program with ICE. If I’m not mistaken you have to apply to be a part of the program. Seems like I read an article in the AJC saying Sandy Springs had applied and been rejected. Can’t seem to find it with a quick Google search though…

          • Doug Grammer says:

            I’m not going to go as far as saying the state of Georgia should give prebates like the fair tax advocates, but I would be in favor of eliminating all taxes on foods, but not on the alcohol sold on Sundays. Income taxes are a tax on productivity. I’d rather have it on consumption. The 287G program that allows counties to train and then work with ICE, is OK. Depending on the costs of the program, I’m not sure that I’d want to mandate that all counties in the state do that, but the ones with the most number of illegals need to do so. Because of the time constraints, Zero Based Budgeting might need to be done once every five years or so. I’ll read your posts.

  12. dusty ride says:

    Is it possible that the high number of Republican votes was partly due to cross over voters who didn’t want Oxendine to win?

    • B Balz says:

      “…another roy barnes term, during redistricting no less, strong work gop… ” – Dr. Jay

  13. bowersville says:

    Friends, foes and the rest of you.

    If you don’t see this speech for what it is or you choose to take it lightly because RoyB has a “D” beside his name, you may very well wake up to defeat come November.

    If Barnes sounds wrong on the issues, RoyB is not asking you for your vote. This speech plain and simple is about the GaGOP brand of leadership and direction in Georgia, especially in the last four years. If the GaGOP nominee is Deal or Handel it doesn’t matter to RoyB, Barnes is running against the brand, not the individual nominee. That will change as we get closer to November.

    If you think for one moment RoyB’s stump speech doesn’t appeal to non card carrying R voters, you are mistaken. When I watched this Youtube speech for the first time I kept expecting to hear RoyB talk about corporate welfare and Senate bill 31 in the same breath grabbing yet another segment of voters.

    I saw on another thread where Doug Grammer indicated that Handel and Deal will debate tomorrow in Dalton. I hope that’s true and I hope both candidate’s are allowed to directly question each other and hone their skills. I have testified in civil and criminal court many times over the course of the last 30-40 years for plaintiffs, defendants and Prosecutors/Defense and given many depositions. My experiences from testifying under the pressure of the oath tells me the GaGOP nominee better know their stuff and know it expertly. Say what you will about Barnes but he is a very able and gifted attorney and he has thrown down a gauntlet and challenged the GaGOP nominee into an arena of his strength, a direct Q&A between the candidates. An empty chair, an empty podium will not work when it comes to Barnes’ challenge.

    Ms. Handel, you have adequately handeled Crozier/Becker and the GRTL. Mr. Deal, in your tv interview you responded to the Crozier comments appropriately. I for one would appreciate the two of you sharing with us your responses to the issues raised by RoyB sometime between now and August 20th if you don’t mind.

    Ms. Crozier, Mr Becker and the GRTL. I doubt there is a single GOP voter that doesn’t know the GRTL hasn’t endorsed Handel. You have more than made your point. I hate to be so rude, but would you and the official GRTL sit down, take a breath and SHUT-UP. Or if you can’t do that, keep off the news, trust me we get it. Handel isn’t endorsed by the GRTL.

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