Morning after open thread

Most of us are driving to work. Talk amongst yourselves. Its an open thread.

PS. Woohoo, the Ox is Gored.

PPS. Who is Jody Hice?

AJC has a good map here.

I guess there are no school bus stops in Schley County.

174 comments

  1. Ludwig Von Beachbum says:

    Ox is Gored. As far as the state and most of us are driving to work known as the middle class, nothing new here.

  2. John Konop says:

    I really do hope the run-off election between Handel and Deal will focus on issues. I have a few questions about issues.

    Economy/jobs:

    1) Should we not be embracing businesses around the CDC like stem-cell, IVF….rather than scaring them off?
    2) If we make it difficult for businesses related to the CDC why would they not just move to places like NC?
    3) What is your exact plan to attrack business to Georgia?
    4) How can we not fix the transportation problems and expect the economy to grow in the long term?

    Education:

    1) Nathan Deal why did you vote for No Child Left Behind and do you still support this failed approach to education?
    2) Do you support a 1 track system or multi-track ie vocational education?
    3) What is your view on the failed math123?
    4) Do you support promoting and expanding joint enrollment?

    Budget:
    1) How will you balance the short fall for state employee healthcare plan?
    2) How will you make up close to a billion dollars of money in the budget from a 1 time sale and stimulus money not even passed yet in next years budget?
    3) If the cost of the service is higher and you cannot make the cuts needed will you raise user fees?
    4) Nathan Deal you voted for Medicare part D which will bankrupt our country, No Child Left Behind which exploded education cost, bridges to nowhere in the highway bill…….why should tax payers trust that you not continue the same irresponsible approach that got us into this mess on the state level?

    • How would Handel balance budget shortfall? By doing what she’s told us–by hiking sales taxes. Eight years ago her patron Sonny came in and immediately proposed higher taxes, and she will follow suit.

      Then you’ll be scratching your head wondering why a Republican is increasing your overall tax burden.

      • John Konop says:

        American Delight,

        I do not speak for Karen Handel, but my understanding is she is for lowering and or eliminating state income tax and having a sales tax instead like other states do like Texas, South Dakota….

        • Progressive Dem says:

          Removing the state income tax is not a good idea for Georgia. States with mineral rights like Texas and states with lots of year round tourists like Florida can compensate with the loss of income taxes. However, Tennessee has struggled through a series of budget crisis. They’ve raised fees everywhere, increased the sales tax and institutued business to business taxes.

          The first advice a financial planner offers is diversify your assets. It is risky to concentrate your financial resources, and it is not an example of fiscal conservativism.

          • While I see your point, I think the elimination of the income tax in Georgia is a good idea. Here’s how we’d get there:

            Double the existing state portion of the sales tax. Georgia’s income tax rate is 6% right? So if we add 4 percent to sales tax but get back 6% of our income that sounds like a win-win to me. That means we just need to make up for $3.1B in the difference in sales tax income vs what was brought in by the income tax.

            Cut spending on unnecessary government programs. Example – quit building boat ramps. Let marinas charge a user fee since they already have ramps in place. It’s a bump to their business and gets the state out of the maintenance game (grass cutting, tree trimming, police patrolling, fee collections, etc.).

            Legalize Sunday sales of alcohol. Every little bit helps and this will keep people from driving across state lines on Sundays to purchase.

            Legalize gambling – casinos and horse racing – and tax it.

            Increasing the Motor Vehicle License Tax and Driver Services fees by 10% would bring in another $37M.

            We spend nearly $2.3B on the Department of Community Health. Seems to me there’s got to be something there that can be cut.

            We spend roughly $1B on the Department of Corrections. If the inmates aren’t growing their own food, they need to start. If we’d decriminalize simple possession of less than 1 oz of marijuana, that would eliminate at least part of the inmate population.

            Legalize gay marriage. Let them pay the same user fees that married couples pay.

            The Department of Education is listed at $7,393,006,953. To me that seems rather high. There have to be efficiencies that can be found there. Skylights reduce the amount of electricity required for lighting. Don’t leave the entire school’s lights on overnight. That’s just two small examples. I’m sure there’s plenty more that could be found if someone were to do an audit of school operations in Georgia.

            • Seeing as our schools rank right at the bottom nationally and we also rank right at the bottom in money we spend on them, I highly doubt there is that much to cut, unless your position is essentially let’s get rid of the state’s interest in education in Georgia.

              • While the libertarian in me would like to see privatized education with parents paying for their offspring, the realist in me knows that’s not possible any time in the near future. And I’m not advocating for cutting budgets unnecessarily. I am advocating that someone that knows what they’re doing get in there and look at the operations of Georgia schools and find inefficiencies that can be fixed. I’m also not convinced that throwing more money at the problem is going to fix it.

          • seenbetrdayz says:

            I think it is the principle of the income tax that doesn’t sit well with some people.

            I mean, the income tax is a tax for being productive. Why on earth would you want to tax people for being productive?

            • Lady Thinker says:

              I think if we could get the unemployed and the under-employed working again, that would put some money in the cofers. What say you?

          • Progressive Dem says:

            I’d guess simultaneously. The personal income tax raises 40% of the state revenues. Sales tax raises 30% of the revenues. Corporate income taxes raise around 5%.

            As much as people would like to pay less income tax, I don’t believe they will stand for a 40% cut in state spending. Somehow, I don’t think she’ll propose furloughing convicts. And with 2 out 3 Georgia schools failing to meet national standards, it isn’t good policy to make drastic cuts in education.

            To replace the 40% of revenues, it would require (a) more than doubling the sales tax, or (b) increasing fees, increasing the sales tax while broadening it to include food, other items and perhaps services, or (c) shifting more of the finacial burden to local governments, which have an even more limited choice of tax options.

          • John Konop says:

            As I said I do not speak for Karen Handel I merely corrected your statement. I can only give you my opinion and to be honest I have never had any discussion with Karen on this topic.

            1) I would use a hybrid of lowering income tax and adding sales tax, which, I have stated before on the state and or federal level. By lowering the transaction tax it would help with many issues surrounding a high transaction tax.

            2) I would take tax abatement money and allow it to be used to help with small business loans. That portion would be the only exposure and it would leverage the usage of money by 10 fold to create jobs. And the exposure would be no different than giving the money to a business like we do today but instead it would guarantee growth.

            As far as Karen being Sonny I just do not see it. I find it strange many of you rip Karen for being to business like and than go the opposite way.

      • Jace Walden says:

        David,

        I will definitely be voting for John Monds. That wasn’t in question, regardless of who the GOP nominee was.

          • I agree. Why waste your vote on the same old establishment that we’ve had when you could vote for someone who will actually work to change this state for the better.

            • I am just being a smart a**, I know, but you will probably be dead before we ever have a viable 3rd party in this country. It is not even needed.

              Find other like-minded people and get involved at the precinct level in one of the two existing parties and work within to change the direction.

              • Right now the only time I have to get involved in anything and participate actively is my day job and my business. Other than that, I find a few minutes between tasks (like waiting on databases to process queries) here and there to comment on Peach Pundit. But being that I’m only 29 I sure hope I see a viable 3rd party in my lifetime.

              • sahughes says:

                I think most libertarian don’t live in lala land. I know that we have a very small chance of getting elected in most elections, especially outside of the local level. It says a lot about the dominance of the two party system that out of all the possible candidates, we are only presented with these less-than-stellar candidates and expected to follow party suit. If a reasonable and actual limited government GOP candidate rolled through, I’d be first in line, but none have presented themselves or have advanced through the primaries in Georgia.

                John Monds > Handel, Deal & Barnes

    • amor patriae says:

      We need a representative who will work for us, not one who will spend his time spouting self-aggrandizing rhetoric, thumping the Bible, and making sure he maintains his radio listening audience. Let us hope and pray that voters in the 7th recognize Hice for the demagogue he is.

      Rob Woodall has worked quietly and tirelessly throughout the primary campaign, and his lead demonstrates what the voters in this district want. It’s time for him to turn up the volume, but stay the course.

  3. Baker says:

    Two things:

    1) Please, don’t go negative. Actually propose and discuss things.

    2) Konop’4th Economy question. Transportation is huger than we realize for attracting businesses that will hire well-paid edumacated workers. Despite the bank woes, Charlotte is laughing at us. I’m with Saporta on this one. Pass a regional transpo tax and do something other than widen highways.

  4. Tinkerhell says:

    Ox gone – Yaaaa. Let’s hope he stays that way.
    Johnson put up a good fight. I’d rather have seen a Handel / Johnson runoff but at least this will make it easy for me to decide. Guess we will see if she can shut down Barnes come Nov.
    And here’s hoping Scott can do away with Marshall in the 8th.

    I so am looking forward to just over 3 more months of campaigning.

    /sarcasm

    • polisavvy says:

      Let’s also hope that Jim Marshall will finally define what a “career politician” is. Believe it or not, a few hours after it became clear that Austin Scott had won the 8th, that’s the only thing he can come up with and issued a statement about. Personally, I don’t call someone who works as a politician three months out of the year a “career politician.” I bet if you compared actual hours as a politician on the state level to the number of hours that Marshall has served since being elected, you’d see a pretty big difference with the word “career” tipping to Marshall’s favor. Marshall is going to have to do better than that.

      • AthensRepublican says:

        Marshall is in serious trouble with Austin Scott. Bishop has a fight on his hands with Mike Keown. Anyone on here from the 12th? I was suprised how much trouble Barrow had in his primary. Does either McKinney or Smith have the resources to give Barrow a fight?

        • polisavvy says:

          I think Marshall’s in the fight of his political “career” life. Austin’s ready to go. Apparently people in the 8th are ready to help him do it. His office was inundated with calls from people wanting to volunteer their time for him. Yesterday was a very encouraging day at the Scott headquarters.

  5. analogkid says:

    Magellan wins the “most accurate poll” award, even though they predicted a bigger win for Handel than she got.

    Deal will benefit from the runoff in the 9th. Handel will benefit from the runoff in the 7th.

    Congrats to Austin Scott in the 8th.

  6. True Grit says:

    Ok….Gang tackle….You can all say you told me so now….

    However, “I leave you gentleman now and you will write it. You will interpret it. That’s your right. But as I leave you I want you to know — just think how much you’re going to be missing. You won’t have Nixon to kick around any more, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference and it will be one in which I have welcomed the opportunity to test wits with you.”

    • Icarus says:

      I’ll have to address Jace and Steve Perkins first, but even that will be tomorrow. And I’ll address a few of my own predictions that “did not win”.

      As for today, see the note below. You supported your candidate whom you believed in, and you were sincere in that. I won’t knock you for that.

      As for today, I am so far behind in my “real job” that it will likely be tonight or tomorrow night before I dig into much here.

      Thus, Deal sock puppets get a head start. Have at it guys.

      • Chris says:

        Handel’s biggest challenge will be GOTV. Period.

        Graves and Hawkins are gonna spend a fortune getting the 9th out to the polls which will only help Deal. The 7th (ok Gwinnett) went for Handel, but not by a whopping majority. The 12th and 13th districts are too much of a stretch for the GOP to win to bring in the money for those candidates to put on a serious GOTV effort.

        I’d say Eric Johnson is in the position of King Maker.

        • GAPoliticsisfun says:

          9th District had about 76,000 voters. Fulton and Cobb combined had over 100,000. Handel beat Deal by a 2-1 margin in Cobb, and a 5-1 margin in Fulton. Handel also edged out Deal in Forsyth, which is part of the 9th. Handel beat Deal by over a 3-1 margin in Chatham.

          Deal Real – DONE.

          • Lady Thinker says:

            Here are the candidate numbers for the counties each carried.

            Chapman – 3

            Deal – 38

            Handel – 61

            Johnson – 22

            McBerry – 1

            Oxendine – 34

            Putnam – 0

            • Doug Grammer says:

              LT,

              If we voted in some type of electoral college system where the winner of a county took all the votes, this info might matter. All that matters is that Sec. Handel got the most votes and Congressman Deal came in second. Now they will go head to head to see who gets the most votes with just them on the ballot.

              Expected reply: “whatever.”

        • “I’d say Eric Johnson is in the position of King Maker.”

          Eric Johnson said he’s a conservative first, a Republican second. I’d hope he’ll endorse the true conservative – John Monds.

            • Agreed, Monds isn’t a social conservative. That’s one of the things I like about him. He leaves those decisions to the individual to decide instead of the nanny state.

              • AnyoneElse2010 says:

                I like Monds. Not saying anything bad. I just wanted to clarify the conservative thing.

              • ACCmoderate says:

                But Jesus explicitly told us to legislate our morality onto other people and then descriminate against them for not going to the same church as us.

                • I know.. but that book he’s in also sez wimmin should cover their heads in church an’ ya’ don’t see them doin’ that neither do ya’? 😛

                • AnyoneElse2010 says:

                  Not saying that either. Many people have the same exact morals but may not necessarily be “Christians”. I think people like taking the easy road by saying that everything that is considered “moral” is dictated by Christian faith. There are many morals that are universal across many religions, faiths, and non-faiths.

        • Gary Cooper says:

          How is the 12th too much of a stretch? The GOP has won that district before and have been close with Barrow the last two election cycles. I agree with the 13th. Handel’s path to victory lies with her keeping her support in the metro counties and then winning south GA. Look at the counties Johnson won and see who was in 2nd in the majority of those.

          Before yesterday I didn’t think she had a shot at taking the run-off, but after looking at these maps and seeing the lack of support Deal had in South GA compared to hers makes me think she now has a path to victory. Deal does too, but his path is a little bit more difficult in the fact that he now has to win over supporters from Ox and Johnson and get them to come out for the run-off. Never an easy task.

      • I wouldn’t say that. Handel went pretty negative on “ethics” by exaggerating charges against fellow Republicans.

        Also, Chapman was “nice” and where did it get him? One-half a percent higher than McBerry, that’s where.

        • Kellie says:

          My post was directed at True Grit who gave me hell on here for questioning Ox. 🙂

          BTW – Chapman may have been nice but when no one knows your name it makes no difference.

  7. ACCmoderate says:

    The Ox is dead?

    I feel like one of the munchkins in Wizard of Oz after the house falls on the Wicked Witch.

    Let’s all sing together!

  8. Tiberius says:

    2 immediate lessons learned from the results:

    Incumbancy in a down ballot race is worth a little bit more than 60% of the vote (Kemp)

    Strong support among the hard core and overwhelming wins in straws doesn’t mean squat (Everson)

    • Glen Ross says:

      Our party doesn’t seem to reward merit as much as it does incumbency and having a fortunate last name.

      • amor patriae says:

        It appears that merit wasn’t even a part of the equation in at least two Gwinnett races (i.e., Balfour and Casas). We now have two more years of unresponsive, arrogant representation from these two “gentlemen.” At least Cox is out of a job….

    • polisavvy says:

      Another case in point that straw polls can most definitely be manipulated. What matters is what the voters say on Election Day.

    • Mike Hauncho says:

      A prime example of what happens when two people are on the ballot and no one knows either of them; they vote for the first person on the ballot.

      This was an unfortunate loss for Melvin and the GOP. The best candidate did not win.

      • Tiberius says:

        Without knowing how much direct mail Butler did, I can’t simply write this off as an alphabet vote.

        As a veteran of PSC races, I am always humored by the “first on the ballot” voting.

        • ACCmoderate says:

          I was sweating out Carol Porter and Michael Thurmond. They seemed like prime candidates to get “Alvin Greene-d”

  9. debbie0040 says:

    Everson- Many times in a low profile race, the name that is on the ballot first will win. If voters don’t know either candidate they will pick the first name that appears on the ballot.

    McBerry garnered 15% i n 2006 and 3% now. I wonder what excuse he will use for his humiliating defeat?

    Handel-Deal runoff – The runoff in Gwinnett will help Handel. Sarah Palin coming to town to campaign for Handel will help GOTV and so will Mitt Romney’s endorsement. Of course, it will be interesting to see how much GRTL is going to get involved. Their robo calls had no effect. I am pro life and believe in one exception but am pretty disgusted with GRTL now..People had a choice between believing Palin or GRTL and they went with Palin.

    On the other side, I think the Newster will campaign for Deal and so will well respected Congressmen like Paul Broun. The Branch McBerrians will go to Deal. I think the Johnson, Oxendine vote will be split between Handel and Deal. Not sure about Chapman and his votes.

    • Gary Cooper says:

      McBerry’s supporters probably won’t come back out for the run-off. He is their guy and no one else will get their vote. How many Ox and Johnson supporters that come back for the run-off is what is going to make the difference. Judging by the numbers in South GA, Deal better work hard to get these supporters back out and in his column.

    • Red Phillips says:

      Debbie, McBerry was obviously hurt by the scandal. What the upward limit of his vote total could have been who knows? But he clearly under-performed due to all the allegations. So what is the point of grandstanding about his vote totals now?

      My point to you all along has been that it ill serves the cause you say you support to play gottcha politics against someone to your right precisely because they are too your right. Disagree civilly if you do, but don’t embrace the rhetoric of our enemies. It only empowers them.

      We already have an abundance of thought policers looking to purge the movement and/or the party of wrongthinkers. We don’t need any more. We need more civil disagreement.

      I find the fact that a plurality of GOP primary voters chose the deliberately most moderate candidate sad and discouraging. So should you and every one else who is trying to advance conservatism, whether AFP style movement conservatism or my brand of paleoconservatism.

      • seenbetrdayz says:

        I liked Ray when he first started out. I had pretty much known that he wasn’t going to win, based on the flak that he got for talking about the Constitution around here. But when the scandal came out into the open, his coffin was nailed. His enemies already had guns pointed at him, and then they found some ammo he foolishly left lying around.

        Don’t get me wrong, his message was 100% of what I was wanting to hear, but when the cards were laid out, he just wasn’t the person I wanted to hear it from.

        I think I donated $10 to McBerry before I learned about his past mistakes, but I’ve donated $20 to John Monds. I’ll probably donate again or buy a yard sign for his campaign later this week.

        • seenbetrdayz says:

          I don’t think that “Branch McBerrians” are going to go to Deal though. If there was one thing that Ray did right, it was to criticize the GOP problem-makers as much as, if not more than, the Democrats. Whether Deal wants to admit it or not, he was part of the problem.

          As for McBerry, it is always refreshing to see someone stand up to people in their own party, regardless of what party they belong to. If more republicans had stood up to Bush when he was president and started going off course, Republicans might still have control of the U.S. Congress. The problem with majorities is that they always get carried away. That’s where they go wrong, and as they say, “Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

          • Romegaguy says:

            McBerry was just trying to make money. He wasnt seriously running for office.

            Kinda reminds me of when Newt says he is thinking about running for President right before a book and/or lecture tour kicks off

  10. Buddha the Magnificent says:

    In 1984, I moved to Seattle and was aghast at an 8% sales tax. No worries, a friend said, you’ve got no state income tax here, so it’s not really much diff from GA. Some math whiz can prol work this out, but at the time GA sales tax was 3% and I think the income tax was prol not much diff than the 6% it is now, so I saw his point.

    26 years later, I’m paying 7 point something down here on the coast, counting all the SPLOST amd eSPLOST addons in GA sales tax and still paying the 6% income tax.

    WTF???

  11. drjay says:

    of all the races last night, i am most disappointed about the labor race, i am a little depressed about it even. i am not close to the campaign or anyhting like that, i suppose i would be interested in a post mortem on it, as far as how much money they spent, if the everson people had spent the first year running against thurmond and weren’t able to switch gears to a contested primary or whatever, but we as gop’s had a chance to put someone on the ticket who, not to put to fine a point on it, didn’t look like the typical gop, who could demonstratively help the gop reach new audiences, no offense to butler, i don’t know him, he might be well suited for this job, it’s just that i was really excited about the idea of everson being on the ticket…

      • Ambernappe says:

        Just call it “stream of consciousness”, courtesy of the Irish poet/author. Punctuation is optional and distracting…dr jay exercising his poetic license…………..seems acceptable considering the poignancy of some things political……………..

        • Ambernappe says:

          i lost the stream and neglected to name the author james joyce……………mea culpa………….

  12. debbie0040 says:

    The division over abortion in the Governor’s race re-inforced Georgia Tea party Patriots and the Atlanta Tea party’s decision to stick to fiscal and constitutional issues and avoid social issues like the plague..

  13. Anyone have a source of results for “party questions” on the ballot? I’m curious what level of support that ridiculous Terry Schiavo question on the Gwinnett GOP ballot drew.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      Debbie,

      Thanks for the post. I don’t remember the order of the questions. Do you have them and if so, can you please post the percentages next to them so we can see? If you can, thanks in advance.

  14. kyleinatl says:

    The good – Say good-bye to Oxendine, John Douglas, and John Wiles…and good freaking riddance.

    The bad – Ralph Hudgens is more or less a shoe-in to be Insurance Commissioner. *sigh*

    The GOP really need to hope that Deal beats Handel…I just can’t see her going toe to toe with Roy Barnes in a debate, it is simply not her strong suit, at all.

      • Tiberius says:

        I dont see Deal standing up to Barnes either at a debate. Barnes is an excellent debater and a quick mind.

        Handel doesnt have to defeat Barnes ot the level Deal would have to b/c Handel’s obvious contrasts will carry the deal. In this year’s environment, the non-Gold Dome or DC politican angle will work well.

    • GoMomGo1195 says:

      The alternative to Hudgens is even worse. Her campaign manager was sure to practice “politics as usual”. She’s a nasty beast.

    • GoMomGo1195 says:

      The alternative to Hudgens is even worse. Her campaign manager was sure to practice “politics as usual”. She’s a nasty beast.

      • Ambernappe says:

        Regardless of where you posted, your comment is mean-spirited and uninformed. Maria Sheffield is highly qualified and competent. She is not condescending and has empathy developed in dealing with personal situations regarding her family members insurance challenges. Maria will be a very different Insurance Secretary from the incumbent and Georgians will appreciate the change.

  15. Bill Knowles says:

    Kyle,
    Did you not look at the results for Insurance Commissioner. Ralph Hudgens is FAR from being a shoe-in. Sheffield is in a very good position to take this.

    • Gary Cooper says:

      Yeah, I was really hoping that Tom Knox would move up and take second, but he fell just short. He’s a good man and would have done well to serve as Insurance Commissioner.

    • jgw2cpa says:

      Sheffield ran a great campaign and she is the most qualified for the job. Coming in a very close 2nd after being outspent by almost 3 to 1. We do not need another career politician, we need someone who has real industry knowledge and can make the changes we need. Maria will be the nominee on the 10th and will be the next Insurance Commissioner.

      • GoMomGo1195 says:

        Maria needs to fire her campaign manager. She’s nasty and mean and is the epitome of what is wrong with politics. She will be the downfall of Maria.

        • Bill Knowles says:

          You wouldn’t be a disgruntled campaign worker from another campaign that lost to Sheffield would you Mom?

    • EllaPatriot says:

      That in and of itself is a scary proposition. She is an Oxendine clone — how she pulled this is beyond me. She has no original ideas — she piggy-backed all of her policy ideas off other candidates. She doesnt have the backbone to run the office differently than Ox — she even donated to Ox’s campaign to the tune of $3,000.

      As much as Ox is tainted, it somehow didnt flow over to Sheffield. The right person for this job lost the race. Where did Knox come from? Name recognition?

      I personally am very let down by a majority of the races. It isnt that my candidate didnt win, it appears as if the RINOs won over.

      on another note… the runoff commericals have begun. I just saw one with Sam Olens with scary, strong, aggressive music in the background and Sam… just not believable.

      • GoMomGo1195 says:

        Sheffield kept her nose clean by letting her campaign manager do the dirty work. She was trained well by her previous employer.

        • GoMomGo1195 says:

          Ella, I’m also very letdown by the majority of the races. I had such high hopes for GA to bring in some serious grassroots leaders, but that didn’t happen.

  16. Progressive Dem says:

    Here’s a morning-after load:

    “Nobody believed we could take on the career politicians and the establishment and win,” Handel told ecstatic supporters.(From AJC)

    Like she is a political novice and not part of the Perdue establishment.

    • kyleinatl says:

      Right? She has one of the thicker political resumes’ of anyone running. Just because you quit in the middle of alot of it doesn’t mean you didn’t do it.

      • EllaPatriot says:

        The fact that she cant be on the same stage as someone she adamantly disagrees with shows me a lack of leadership skills. If she cant take the heat on a stage — how can we expect her to take on tough issues as governor? You dont always get to pick and choose who you have to deal with or work with as governor.

        If she despises someone is she just not going to show up?

        • Progressive Dem says:

          Don’t sell her short on confrontation. She’s tough as nails. Televised primary debates are watched by the candidates and their close supporters. The general public doesn’t watch. Why risk a gaffe? Particularly if you are comfortable with your campaign direction.

  17. Progressive Dem says:

    Handel looks very tough for Deal in terms of fundraising, the breadth of her support across the state, and her base of voter rich Atlanta suburbs. If he can’t raise a bunch of money today and tomorrow, he might pull a Lewis Massey and bail. It is a much more gracious exit from politics than a lop-sided loss.

    • Fundraising? Deal will need a wheelbarrow to haul the money he’ll receive the next few days. Handel hasn’t exactly shown her fundraising prowess during this race.

      • Progressive Dem says:

        The business community is going to open their wallets to her now. Palin’s endorsement will bring out of state contributors. Handel has close to a 10% lead. As the field narrows, money flows to the front runner.

      • Capt. Jack Sparrow says:

        And yet she ended up 11 points higher than Deal. Imagine how well she will do with the money that will flow to the front runner.

        Deal. Real. Done.

      • GaConservative23 says:

        I would like to humorously point out that Loganville’s own Tom Kirby finished ahead of Chuck “Eagle Scout” Efstration, who finished sixth.

        But I guess his attack ads were successful. Now we wait and see if he gets a job in Woodall’s office.

        • DoubleDawg3 says:

          Ha – so you think Efstration was a saboteur, in the race only to take out Clay and shield Woodall from being the guy that had to do it? If that’s true, major props to Efstration and Woodall for one of the greatest schemes in a long time. ha.

      • EllaPatriot says:

        Shocked that Cox isnt in the runoff. I’m not unhappy about it.. but shocked to say the least. I knew Hice would finish strong. Kirby is a good man and although I didnt think he would win, liked his positions.

  18. Tiberius says:

    And where are all the Oxendine supporters?

    The greater collapse?: Oxendine or the 2004 New York Yankees (up 3-0 in the ALCS and then lost the next 4. This enabled the Red Sox to win their 1st W.S. in blah, blah).

  19. Tea Party Man says:

    Dr. Jody Hice is the candidate for the 7th Congressional District who has actually lived in the district for years, not the Career Politician who just moved in after living in Washington D.C. for 15 years.

    • Chris says:

      If I were to bet a steak dinner I had no intention of paying off on, I’d bet Smith beats Olens in August.

    • Tiberius says:

      On an ideological spectrum, Woods and Smith are closer to each than Olens. Woods made such a big play that neither Olens nor Smith had the right experience to be AG.

      If Woods, back Smith, it be a conservative-not conservative enough, metro Atlanta vs. the rest of the state race.

        • Jack Smith says:

          I tried to warn you guys about the Hodges filth. The Democratic primary voters found Ken Hodges in their bathroom yesterday and rather than flushing the commode, they nominated him for state office.

          Now we have a GOP runoff where the GOP candidate will probably emerge with about 5% of the war chest the Hodges whore has. Just great. If you guys thought Ox was bad….

          • Melb says:

            Jack Smith/Charles Rehberg, please for the love of God, get a job, and stop obsessing on Ken Hodges. Don’t stalk me. Don’t stalk him. Just get a job and go away. No one cares about you or Pheobe or any of that crap. You are just the annoying psycho who everyone knows is crazy and won’t go away.

        • Doug Deal says:

          Whether it is true or not that the AG office has anything to do with criminal prosecution, as Olens claims, Hodges is going to ram the prosecutor bit down either of their throats until it comes out the other end.

          Who do you think the more casual general election voters will back, an ambulence chaser, a kid from the legislature with no legal practice experience or a prosecutor?

  20. rightofcenter says:

    With all due respect, progressive dem, there is zero chance of Deal pulling a Lewis Massey. As you will recall, Massey was slaughtered in the primary and barely inched into the runoff. Deal is sitting in a very competitive position.

  21. Progressive Dem says:

    Admittedly I have a warped view of GOP primaries, but I don’t see Deal in a competivie position. He is running with Washington experience at the worst possible time. He won the 9th, but she did well up there, too. He has to pick up Oxendine voters, who are probably the least motivated to return to the polls. In the counties that Ox carried, Handel genrally ran better than Deal. She ran surprisingly well across the state. She has a solid base in metro Atlanta and I think Johnson voters from metro Atl will her fall to Handel. He’ll have to move further right on social issues and that won’t help in the Atlanta suburbs. Finally, he’ll have to attack a woman, and that’s tricky.

  22. AnyoneElse2010 says:

    I really do not see how there could be ANY WAY that Johnson’s or Ox’s supporters go to Handel. Again I will support her if she is the nominee, but look for Barnes to beat the stew out of her in the general. She will quickly learn that she can’t say the same things over and over again when she goes against Barnes. She will have to think on her feet, which is something I have not seen her do.

  23. Red Phillips says:

    I will vote for Deal in the run-off because he is clearly the more conservative of the two candidates and Deal has always been good on immigration. I will vote for Monds in the general as the only way I have to protest from the right the two major parties. I would love to vote for a Constitution Party candidate for governor, but sadly they are not on the ballot. Either Handel or Deal will beat Barnes in Nov. (barring some new info), because the election will hinge on turnout and the Republican base is going to come out in droves.

  24. chefdavid says:

    I noticed a pretty big difference between Gov. election totals and other races in my county. Gov=1082, US Senate=731, LT Gov=694, GA9=957, 53rd=1062. Is this unusual to see so many blank ballots left?

  25. DoubleDawg3 says:

    They really need a “None of the Above” option on the ballot – this would signify to the public which elected officials aren’t pleasing the public and thus, which ones should be challenged if they don’t get their act together.

  26. DoubleDawg3 says:

    Following up on the Labor Commissioner…I’m disappointed on both sides. Obviously Melvin was BY FAR the best candidate in the race, but I’m sad at the Dem. side too, b/c I would have actually voted for Coleman over Butler, but now I’m not sure.

    Any Lib. or Independent candidates for Labor Commissioner?

  27. Progressive Dem says:

    We’re likely to have two candidates in the general election from metro Atlanta.

    • kyleinatl says:

      The only part about Karen that I actually appreciate…perhaps we’ll finally see a push toward state assistance for public transit.

  28. Kellie says:

    Does anyone think that Deal being from the same town as the Lt. Gov. will be a problem? Or the fact that they held the same Senate seat? And that Cagle is the person Deal called when he needed help with his no-bid contract?
    I can already see the dems ads…they will make it look really bad.

    • DoubleDawg3 says:

      Not a problem for me (as a North GA resident)…I’ve seen all the state funded crap that Bonaire/Perry has gotten over the last 8 years!

    • sahughes says:

      If Deal wins, I guarantee you they will. They will hammer his ethics issues. The entire 9th is just shady now, don’t know why. Creeps me out that I live within seconds of it.

      • Doug Grammer says:

        The Ninth had more votes than any other congressional district. If you mean shady as in standing in our shadow, I understand.

        Otherwise, the entire Ninth is circling your block, looking to see when you leave the house and is following you. That would be a good reason to be creeped out.

  29. Blog Goliard says:

    Anybody know what happened with Senate District 38? Either there’s been some glitch, or Adams was disqualified, or sharing a name with the president of UGA is the heaviest political millstone we’ve ever seen.

    SoS website still has total votes at:

    99% of precincts reporting (61/61)
    Horacena Tate 9,361 100.0%
    Michael Adams 0 0.0%
    Totals 9,361

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