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  1. Not too different from his other ad’s talking points. Still looks good and will appeal to the voters of Georgia. The fact that he’s getting that much airtime is going to do him some good at the polls on the 20th (and before in early voting). All in all, Johnson is playing his cards right and it may result in him getting one of the two runoff spots.

      • Didn’t say he was doing well in the polls. We’ve seen comebacks all over the place.

        Look at Maine, for example. The guy who was polling 4th (out of 7) ended up winning the primary with more than double the second place candidate had. The pundits said he couldn’t win. Check out PineTreePolitics.com to see their doom-and-gloom predictions about his candidacy before the primary. It was the airtime that LePage bought that sent him to victory in Maine and

        I wouldn’t be surprised if that happens here. Like I said, “it MAY result” not “it WILL result.”

    • … Not necessary, man. Let’s keep it civil here. No need to bring non-issues against Handel when there are enough legitimate issues to argue with.

      • Mayonnaise says:

        Lying about being a dues-paying member of a gay political organization that wants to overturn Georgia’s Defense of Marriage Amendment isn’t a legitimate issue? I disagree.

        • Gay marriage isn’t the biggest issue on the minds of Georgians. Let’s take her on for her discriminatory actions against citizens of the Georgia through her citizenship status checking. She wants us to “bring it on” and the only way we can do that is if he hit her with the major issues in the minds of Georgians.

          And also, if you were going to say what you said in response to my comment first rather than the somewhat distasteful link, I probably wouldn’t have said anything.

          Let’s talk about EJ’s great ad here and leave the Handel – bashing for another thread.

          • bowersville says:

            Actually I think Mayonnaise needs to keep up the Handel bashing. It helps Handel and diminishes anything positive about EJs ad.

            Go Mayo, bring it on.

            Discriminatory citizenship status check? Care to expand on that?

            • All polls indicate that the economy is the biggest issue on the minds of citizens. If someone being associated with the Log Cabin Republicans becomes a serious issue in this election, I will seriously rethink my political involvement because that’s just stupid. We’ve got bigger fish to fry than dealing with gay marriage (which is the reason why I say we need to just take the government out of marriage completely).

                • B Balz says:

                  Unfortunately, I agree. This is one area where the GOP needs to get with the program.

                  “One thing about homosexuals…there sure are a lot of them.” R. Reagan

                  Time to move on…Gay marriage is not a moral or ethical concern to me, or most moderate conservatives. I do have a MINOR concern about the implications of benefits being given same sex couples. Those concerns can be resolved.

                  As the GOP goes further Right, and the Dems go further left, there is a growing popular consensus that a third party is needed. Making that happen is serious business, so far, nobody comes up to the plate.

                • It’s unfortunate. As a kid who can’t even vote yet, I wish the people that can vote would do it on the major issues (economy, jobs, immigration, size of government) that are going to effect my generation, not over something as stupid as gay marriage.

                  Like I said before, we shouldn’t even be having this debate because the government shouldn’t be involved in marriage.

                  Just for the sake of it, let’s weigh the two issues. Let’s say gay marriage is legalized. Sure, there will be protests by conservatives (meaning materials will be bought for signs, people will drive to these protests buying food and gasoline paying sales tax on all of that). And on the flip side of the coin, the government will be getting more money on marriage license fees. So sure, some people won’t be happy with it, but it will do some good for the government.

                  Now let’s say that the Democrats ram another stimulus package down our throats. Sure, there will be protests (food, supplies, gas, sales tax), but will that seriously counter the further devaluation of the dollar, increased debt, and possible negative economic repercussions that could cause our shaky economy to collapse (again)? I don’t think so.

                  So tell me, which is a bigger deal: gay marriage or the economy?

                • I’ll admit that polls aren’t particularly reliable and you do have a valid point. But seriously, do you honestly believe that the economy ISN’T the biggest issue facing America today?

                  • B Balz says:

                    Of course not, Mr. Constable. My point is that whether you choose to believe it or not, those three inflammatory issues will stoke a lot of votes.

                    Sort of like saying lowering taxes, when GA faces a 2011-12 $1Bn budget hole will work.

                    Or touting your pro-life stance, when this State could embark on biotechnology as a source to replace lost manufacturing jobs.

                    I commend you on getting in the game, being involved. Many of my remarks are either rhetorical, humorous, or a bit sarcastic.

                    My guns, gays, and G’d remark was a bit of all three.

                  • Jace Walden says:

                    Kyle,

                    B Balz is right, man. The economy is the main issue, but whether any of us like it, [email protected] wedge issues like gay marriage still drive a lot of people to the polls, and are still largely important at the local level.

                    • B Balz says:

                      Dream of a place that doesn’t serve Red Herring as the featured entree’ on the menu?

                      The trick is to filter out the noise and realize how illogical many adults are when it comes to what is really important.

                      Most adults don’t do this….

        • Provocateur says:

          I’m thinking Mayonnaise’s posts might need to go through the Politifact’s Celebrity Blog Poster’s Truth Meter. It is doubtful that the Republican gay political organization is interested in repealing a constitutional amendment.

          You win more points by printing the truth by itself, rather than mixing the truth with untrue statements.

    • GOPwits says:

      May0 my word man. Give it a rest. You know, Ronald Reagan said someone who agrees with you 80% of the time is your friend. In order to continue to build upon our majority, Republicans must speak to groups, even those in which we may have some disagreements with, if we are to truly build a strong and lasting majority.

      Regardless if she spoke to them or not, when rubber hits the road, Karen held to her conservative positions.

      Karen never profited from her public service the way in which your preferred candidate, Eric Johnson did, nor did she do special favors for businesses in return for campaign contributions, etc… Nor is Karen a career politician who has served and been a part of the problem for almost 20 years.

      • Mayonnaise says:

        Karen has been publicly caught in a lie and refuses to admit, apologize, or acknowledge it. Therefore, this never goes away. Even if she wins, she will the Governor who lied and wouldn’t admit it. Has nothing to do with Eric, Nathan, John, Jeff, or Ray. It’s all about her phony stance on ethics while walking around living a lie.

      • Provocateur says:

        Let’s compare fact to fiction:

        Karen Handel

        January 2003-July 2003: Handel was Perdue’s full-time Deputy Chief of Staff.

        August 2003-November 2003: Ran for Fulton County Chair, and won.

        November 2003-December 2006: Served full-time as Fulton County Commission Chair. Ran for Secretary of State during 2006 and won.

        January 2007-December 2009: Served full-time as Georgia’s Secretary of State.

        January 2010-Now: Running full-time to be Governor of Georgia.

        Total Years spent in full-time political office, either running for one or serving as one: 7.5 years to date (not counting the 2-3 some-odd years she spent working for Vice-President Quayle).

        Eric Johnson

        1992: Elected state senator….a part-time job.

        1993-2009: Served as a part-time, citizen state senator.

        2009-2010: Running full-time for Governor of Georgia.

        I don’t think you can claim Johnson is a “career politician” whilst Handel is a newbie of any type. Would anyone else care to chime-in here?

        • bowersville says:

          The “career politician” lable in and of itself doesn’t move me one way or the other(example Zell Miller). Some of the things that go on with “career politicians” does bother me though.

          Looking at the experience for Handel and Johnson that you shared and comparing the two it looks to me like Handel has a broader reference of experience to draw from should she be elected.

          To me, the county commission chair is the most important as it show’s experience in governance closest to the people served. I’m asking because I don’t know, did Johnson ever serve on a city council or county commission?

  2. GOPwits says:

    And let’s do talk about the Eric Johnson position on taxes…

    How about all those SPLOSTS that he supported? If I’m not mistaken, Johnson was a big proponent of a tax increase for Atlanta and as a “supposed” leader in the State Senate, he did nothing to stop the abuse of SPLOSTs that occur by the vote being randomly scheduled when voter turnout is at its lowest. If Johnson were a true conservative, he would have worked to ensure SPLOSs are only allowed to be held during regularly scheduled elections.

    As a State Senator, did he ensure that the SPLOSTS were handled according to the statue allowing them? How many millions of dollars in SPLOST projects did Johnson’s business benefit by? Did he speak out about the abuses, waste, and duplication of some of the SPLOST projects, especially as stated above, the randomness in which the votes are held?

    It’s one thing to talk, vote, and take a position, it’s an entirely different thing to actually do the heavy lifting of actually being a leader and staying on top of the positions that you claim to espouse.

    By the way, how much did Eric Johnson profit from his “public service”? How many millions in state contracts did he get for his business and fail to disclose? What about all the business from those SPLOSTs? And, what exactly was the reason that he turned a blind eye to the Glen Richardson saga? What kind of quid pro quo was going on down there? It seems like we have a situation of “I won’t investigate your dirty laundry if you don’t talk about my dirty laundry.”

    • Mayonnaise says:

      Do you have the answers to any of those questions? If not, you just made a fool of yourself.

      • GOPwits says:

        Mayo really? Seriously? A fool? You’re one to be calling someone a fool… The facts speak for what they are…

      • Tireless says:

        He clearly doesn’t have an answer to his wild azz speculation.

        If EJ made millions, which he didn’t, you would have seen those dollars flow through the tax returns he has disclosed. Speaking of tax disclosures, where are the tax returns for Handel, Deal, OX? It’s interesting how the sock puppets for those tools are happy to support candidates that are unwilling to show the voters their incomes and the sources of their income.

    • GAPoliticsisfun says:

      GOPwits,
      You forgot that Johnson actually fought for a tax increase and said that it demonstrated leadership. This is from his profile piece in the AJC:

      “But Georgians saw another side of Johnson in early 2003, when the Senate Republican leader announced he would back new Gov. Sonny Perdue’s plan to raise cigarette taxes. “

  3. Lifetime367 says:

    To suggest that Eric Johnson “got rich” through public service is a joke. Look at his personal financial disclosures. He’s done okay… very-well by some standards and not-so-well by others, but he’s a well-respected professional in his community and in his profession. He should be comfortable at this point in his life and that shoudl not be a mark against him. The point is that he works for a living like most of us. So do the other candidates, but the paychecks for Oxendine, Handel, and Deal all come from tax dollars. Johnson made $17,000 a year in his last year in the Georgia Senate.

    With regards to the SPLOSTs throughout the state: what would you have him do, go door-to-door in every community and urge people to vote against their respective SPLOST proposals? Taxes are a necessary evil. There… I said it. Lambast me. Lynch me. Whatever you want to do… the truth is that Special Purpose Local Option Sales Taxes are implemented with the consent of those paying the burden of the taxes for a limited period of time to pay for specific projects. That’s a very good scenario, second only to user-pay fees like consumption taxes.

    If you don’t want to support the man that’s your right, but get your facts straight before you make broad, sweeping allegations with no facts to back them up.

    Let’s raise the level of debate here. This is important.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          To some, candidates are like baseball cards. As stats change, the values change. Sometimes they will trade just because they’ve held on to them for too long…. no real reason, they just want something new.

          • My main issue was their lack of communication with me. I was a coalition chair, yet they never responded to my emails or attempts of communication. On top of that, all the scandals that he’s been caught up in have made him seem more like a Washington politician than an everyday Georgian, which is how he first portrayed himself. I want a candidate who is honest and will serve the people of Georgia well. The only candidates who I believe can do that are Eric Johnson, Jeff Chapman, and to some degree, Karen Handel. I chose Johnson because of his legislative record, experience, and ability to defeat Roy Barnes. Though the polls may not show him beating Barnes right now, he’s running the best campaign of the bunch and will do the best job to take out Barnes in November. He is gaining support from all over without slinging any mud in this race, and that’s worthy of recognition.

  4. GOPwits says:

    Eric Johnson failed to disclose $300,000 in compensation as a result of $1 million in business from state contracts. I’m not sure about you, but I think most Georgians consider $300,000 to be a lot of money.

    Additionally, a real conservative leader would have lead the charge to clamp down on the abuse of SPLOSTs. SPLOST elections are held whenever it is most convenient to the special interests making money off of the projects and not for the taxpayers of the community. Yes, I agree with the fact we have to pay taxes, and I agree the best tax is a sales tax, but plan and hold the SPLOSTs during the regularly scheduled elections which occur in Georgia every other year and not randomly in January when no one is paying attention. There is a level of responsibility that should and must be put upon those in office and this is an area that others, and not just Johnson, have failed at. It is only exasperated by the fact that as the Republican Leader Johnson did nothing about this abuse and it demonstrates his hypocrisy on the tax issue.

    It goes to the fundamental core of the change needed in Georgia and a real discussion led by a real leader of how and at what level we should be taxed and by what authority – be it state, local, or even federal. As part of that mix for nearly 20 years and with no leadership shown on any of those issues, I’d say Johnson is not qualified to lead the charge. If anything, he’s part of the problem.

    Additionally, I believe it to be a legitimate discussion as to how much his company benefited off of the various projects generated from these SPLOSTs throughout the state. As much as the media is digging into Oxendine, I suppose if Johnson were a more serious threat, they would begin digging into his background too, but alas, he’s tied w/ the molester.

    And EJ acolytes, you totally ignored the “I’ll scratch your back, you scratch mine” ethics dodge ball about Richardson.

    Anyway, this is just a blog and nothing more… Opinions are like “teeth”, we all have them – some too few and some too many, but we’ve got them! So, simmer down now!

    • Tireless says:

      LMAO….$300,000 in compensation you say. Apparently you don’t know the difference between personal compensation and an employer’s revenue.

      Since you, and others here, seem to have your panties in a wad over this matter, please tell me how much compensation your candidate has earned over the last 15 years. Better yet, provide the sources of his/her income. I am assuming you have this data given the level of concern to have expressed over EJ’s financial history. Only a hypocrite would whine about one candidate’s income while ignoring the incomes of the other candidates. Do tell.

  5. GAPoliticsisfun says:

    The point is that the taxpayers of Georgia are sick of career politicians who use their positions for personal gain. It doesn’t matter is the gain is through a company that are a principle or ownership position in.

    Another interesting point in the AJC profile piece on Johnson:

    “He backed a sales tax exemption in 2007 on equipment used in the repair of aircraft not registered in Georgia. The savings, which went largely to a local company, Gulfstream, was estimated at $11.6 million a year.

    A little more than a month after the exemption passed, Gulfstream announced that it was leasing two buildings from the company Johnson worked for, North Point Real Estate. ”

    The Ox has demonstrated a pattern of ethical challenges, it looks like Johnson has the same pattern, although it does appear that he was a little more devious in his handling of the transactions.

    • Tireless says:

      Oh my…..a politician supports legislation that helps his constituent…..call in the media, this is ground breaking news. How dare any elected official try to pass legislation that is beneficial to one of the largest employers in his district. Politicians should NEVER consider the needs and desires of his/her voters. As a matter of fact, they should work against the will of the people to make them look good to the folks that oppose them. That’s a brilliant standard.

      North Point Real Estate is a Savannah based RE company that specialized in building and leasing commercial real estate in the Savannah region. Gulfstream in located in Savannah. Now unless you have something other than innuendo and specious reasoning, your claim there was something underhanded about this deal is nothing but vacuous blather.

  6. ACCmoderate says:

    Can everyone kill the tax cut crap? Its what got us into this mess in the first place.

    Let’s see… state revenues are way down as a result of a bad economy and Republican tax cuts. In order to combat the budget crisis, the General Assembly cut pay for state employees, removed a limit on class sizes, and gutted the state budget.

    Because Georgia is required to have a balanced budget, our politicians either had to hack away at the budget or raise taxes. Of course they couldn’t do the later, because that would go back on the poorly thought out talking points that got them elected.

    Now Eric Johnson wants to cut taxes even more? The only thing that will do is further reduce state revenues and require more budget cuts. I’m sorry Eric, but lower taxes at this point are not going to put Georgians back to work. If you want to continue to lower taxes, you might want to go ahead and shut down every function of this state’s government… because there isn’t that much more in the budget that we can safely cut.

    • B Balz says:

      Good points and a big conundrum. Raising taxes in the middle of a deep recession is tricky business. We could plunge deeper into economic malaise by raising taxes on consumers directly.

      Corporations look at their tax bill as a small overall part of a relocation consideration. Obviously, States with high corporate tax rates get less consideration than business friendly States.

      We should look at strategically eliminating corporate subsidies. That is not going to be popular or easy, and eventually those increased costs trickle down to the consumer, but that would be less drastic than raising individual taxes.

      Tough time to be a lawmaker, tough time to be a Georgian. But we are better off than many States, we’ll muddle through this.

    • Tireless says:

      Do you honestly believe raising taxes to fund more government spending is the solution? How about cutting taxes and cutting spending? Allow the productive to keep more of their money so that they can reinvest in their businesses. I would rather see more people employed in the private sector and less in the public sector.

      • B Balz says:

        I am always for reduced government spending. Thing is, as I understand it, Georgia government as compared to other States, is pretty lean. If that assumption is correct, then the only way to cut spending is to cut very deeply into services.

        In 2011-12 that is a ONE BILLION dollar projected deficit. If we have a $1Bn slop bucket, that’s horrendous. I don’t think we do, from what I have heard from my Reps.

        Where do we go? Even thought education was cut quite a bit this year, the pain was softened by Federal funds, which will not repeat next year.

        I agree with all your points Tireless, but I cannot understand how pols can be talking about lowering taxes.

        As we all know, consumption is what drives the economy. People are saving at record levels, they are not spending.

  7. Goldwater Conservative says:

    Honest? Thats a laugh.

    No person advocating tax cuts and ensuring the survival of the state, at this point, is an honest man. They may be ignorant…but they are still making false statements and their ignorance is no excuse.

    I suppose it will take bankruptcy of the state for you morons to realize that taxes are too low. The same goes for the federal government.

  8. Ludwig Von Beachbum says:

    This is laughable. Johnson was in the Senate and President during a period of the state budget doubling.

    HE LEFT during a period of time he could have worked on what he is promising now.

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