C4L forum for GA-5

The folks over at Campaign for Liberty are hosting a forum for the Republicans running in GA-5:

The Georgia Campaign for Liberty is pleased to announce a forum for candidates with a primary challenge in the race for Georgia’s 5th Congressional District.

The Primary Candidate Forum will be held on Wednesday, July 7 at 6 pm in the Fulton County Central Library Auditorium in downtown Atlanta.

Fenn Little and Kelly Nguyen face each other in the Republican primary on July 20. Both Nguyen and Little have been invited to participate in the forum. The incumbent, John Lewis, faces no challenger in the Democratic primary.

Because the Atlanta Press Club declined to host primary debates in District 5, the July 7 Primary Candidate Forum is the only opportunity to hear Republican candidates speak in turn on the issues.


  1. Goldwater Conservative says:


    The Campaign for Liberty does not know the meaning of the word. It is a political device they use for attention and legitimacy. After all, anybody wearing an American Flag lapel pin is automatically a patriot. Any song praising the glory of the “red, white and blue” is patriotic.

    I see the line between patriotism and nationalism being crossed on many fronts in America’s “conservative” bias in several media outlets…particularly that emotional outlet that has become known as the tea party. Nothing but a political b*tch-fest that “tea party” is. I hope they soon realize they hate everybody (especially non-WASPs) and not just liberals.

    Ye will all learn the fate of the 2004 Kerry campaignwas a political mistake that will oft repeated (as will the McCain camp’s choice of an ignorant bimbo for the Veep nominee). You can not win an election when you stand for nothing and against everything.

    • Game Fan says:

      I could list dozens if not hundreds of issues and or activities which, if true would constitute what the Average American recognizes as dirty filthy rotten criminal behavior by members of the political class, the business class or various government agencies. You see, the average American inherently understands that Liberty and freedom, financial and otherwise are at odds with that of the criminal class. And here’s the best part: you don’t even have to study philosophy to get it.

        • Goldwater Conservative says:

          Your admission of the existence of a political class is evidence enough for my claim that Americans know nothing of freedom or liberty.

          You and every other conservative’s blind acquiescence to capitalism and private enterprise is evidence enough that you and every conservative know nothing of freedom and liberty.

          You should have studied. The social sciences and humanities are held in low esteem by conservatives because not one conclusion reached through intellectual means confirms or even supports the worldview you have been steered to support.

          You will remain a slave of the current hegemony until you learn that you are in fact a slave. You are kept in your place by others gaming you and those around you.

          Start studying. Libraries are free (and hopefully capitalism will not ruin that) and are filled with more useful information than music videos.

            • Goldwater Conservative says:

              I suppose you are correct about their not being “free.” Semantics aside, however, it costs nothing to obtain a public library card.

              • Game Fan says:

                There is a political class, and this isn’t to say that I’m about to define it or suggest that it’s some type of permanent or rigid fixture set against American society. And I should have stated SOME members of the — class. As far as the humanities I have a BA in Economics. I’ve studied all of the humanities. In fact my biggest critique of the Franklin School of Arts and Sciences is maybe there’s not enough “thinking” or combining of the “disciplines”. And in case you didn’t notice music videos contain vast amounts of information about society. But I really don’t think you ever considered this. As far as “issues” I don’t think I’ve seen much commentary from you other than to criticize large groups of Americans.

  2. seenbetrdayz says:

    But when you stand for everything, you risk backtracking or at worst, contradiction, at some point. (Like being against the war when your party isn’t in power and then being for it when your party holds the reigns). Standing for nothing at least indicates consistency, which is in short supply these days.

    By the way, “patriotism” as you describe it, as being nothing more than something to incite fervor and frenzy for whatever cause might be advanced by those with ulterior ambitions, was thrown around quite frequently during the celebratory passage of the Health Reform Bill, and I agree, wholeheartedly, that its overuse has utterly destroyed its meaning.

    I’m hoping Kelly does well; it’d be good to see some young people going to Washington. You know, folks actually interested in the debt issue, as it will affect them before they have the luxury of death.

    • Goldwater Conservative says:

      I never said you need to stand for everything. That would be self contradictory as you stated.

      Political organizations succeed when their members or supporters stand for something rather than against everything. I brought up the Kerry 2004 campaign to illustrate this because very few people, when polled with the opportunity to respond with more than a temperature rating for each candidates, actually supported the Kerry candidacy. I was guilty of this myself. We wanted Bush out more than Kerry in. We stood in opposition to Bush’s presidency rather than for a Kerry presidency.

      Everybody and nobody is interested in the debt issue. Everybody wants the debt lowered, but they do not want to pay higher taxes or cut programs. “You can not have guns, butter and low taxes…the number just don’t add up.”

      Besides having a moderate level of debt is good for the economy.

  3. Game Fan says:

    It’s so easy to pick apart Goldwater’s hateful little tirades…

    “The Campaign for Liberty does not know the meaning of the word”.

    -How the hell do you know? Are you talking about the staff or the grassroots? You mean to say the majority of members couldn’t define it or that nobody could or what? It’s an absolutely ridiculous assertion.

    And you hate the Tea Party too? You do realize it’s a different organization right? Or some might say the “Tea Partys” are more a “lack thereof” (lack of organization that is, which is what they like, and hey, I like the concept too.) But on the bright side, Goldwater, you’re on the same page in stereotyping the Tea Parties as Chris (with the thrill up the leg) Mathews, so there’s that.

    • Goldwater Conservative says:

      Wow…I must have hit a nerve.

      Knowing what a word means, such as liberty, requires more than merely going to the dictionary or google.

      I hate nobody, sir. I do, however, dislike the political elite misleading the public (this goes for the democratic party as well). Nothing epitomizes this more than the right-wing (and the tea party) than seeing thousands of people rallying against socialism…and they do not understand what socialism is. These things obviously go over the heads of many people…just as many do not realize the constraints that capitalism imposes on freedom. Sure, the democrats use the word liberty…and sometimes in a rhetoric way. The do, however, go to greater lengths to make certain they use the word “freedom” when speaking about their policies. The healthcare reform act was lauded by extending freedom beyond the barriers posed by capitalism. Capitalism is why people go bankrupt when they need medical attention and can not afford it. Capitalism is why people were denied coverage for a milieu of reasons. Capitalism is why people would remain stuck in jobs to keep their health insurance (which, mind you, also poses a threat to democracy itself since the right to self-determination and self-development is a cornerstone of the democratic tradition). I can go on and on and on about this and the dangers capitalism poses to “freedom” and true prosperity.

      Read George Lakoff’s Whose Freedom?. I know…he is an academic. He uses non-bias research methods (and mixed methods) and conducts real research that is peer reviewed by other experts in various fields. I know you conservative types lack intellectual curiosity and that is why Glenn Beck and his ilk sell so much propaganda. I really do encourage you to read Lakoff’s (read Moral Politics as well…if you have time). It sheds a ton of insight into how humans “know” and how they can be made to “know.”

      • Goldwater Conservative says:

        A shorter read would be Hannah Pitkin’s article “Are Freedom and Liberty Twins?”

        Here is the citation:
        Pitkin, Hannah. 1988. “Are Freedom and Liberty Twins?” Political Theory 16(4): 523-552

        It is a good summary of the history of this question as well as other considerations. Mind you, Pitkin is an academic and one of the most distinguished theorists of democracy and political philosophy. Not some moron talk-radio or fox news host bent on indoctrinating you.

  4. Game Fan says:

    Yeah, I have a love/hate relationship with the C4l. Because I don’t like taking orders or too many rules ect… I like to think Ike Hall is in on the joke. 🙂

  5. In The Arena says:

    Fenn Little is an interesting candidate in the 5th. He is a civil rights attorney and his legal work completely takes the race card out of Lewis’s deck. If he can build a decent sized grassroots network, he has a shot at pulling an upset much bigger than Scott Brown. Most residents of the 5th who are at all in tune with the business community and civic issues understand what a negative it is for Atlanta to have John Lewis as a congressman.

  6. Game Fan says:

    The real news with the Campaign For Liberty is Obama has set loose the henchmen from the FEC to investigate and try to shut them down. hehe. This is like Jeffrey Dahmer questioning Mother Teresa’s ethics.

    “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
    — Mahatma Gandhi

    Anyways, y’all wanna get some front row seats to some good fireworks? This is gonna be interesting. The FEC in their stupidity has just walked into the crosshairs of the REAL netroots (not Obama’s) I really don’t think they have a clue what’s in store.

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