Special Election Runoff Open Thread

Today is round two in the Congressional race that will never end, otherwise known as the 9th Congressional District Special Election Runoff.

Tell us what you’re seeing out there and feel free to offer your prediction.

Since it’s an Open Thread you can even talk about Zero Based Budgeting if you want to. 🙂

96 comments

  1. GOPGrassroots says:

    Tom Graves, the conservative choice, will win today’s election.

    He has run a campaign focused on the issues, he has outworked, outraised and outsmarted his opponent on all fronts.

    His opponent has lost his way in his quest for political gain, he has attacked Tom personally and viciously, and today he will go home not just a loser, but a man revealed willing to say and do anything to get elected. This is a sad combination, but he did it to himself.

    • ByteMe says:

      Hmm.. Hawkins is a man “willing to say and do anything to get elected” and Graves is a man willing to commit civil fraud to get out of paying a debt. What a lovely choice you Republicans present.

      • GOPGrassroots says:

        ByteMe – if you spent more time working to elect Democrats instead of attacking Republicans on this blog your party might not be in the sorry shape it is in.

        Take note of how Team Hawkins has faired by attacking their opponent instead of working to promote their own cause. It just doesn’t work.

        • ACConservative says:

          Sorry shape? Um, I believe the Dems are in control of both Houses of Congress and the Oval Office.

          You haven’t won yet big boy…

            • kyleinatl says:

              Hard to polish a turd; Jason Carter is the first promising democrat we’ve had enter the Gold Dome since Kasim Reed and David Adelman entered.

        • ByteMe says:

          GOPG: As I’ve said before, the only party I am a part of is the one where there’s just a little booze left in the morning as the last of the guests go home.

          Perhaps Republicans need to tend their own garden better instead of pointing fingers outward. Aren’t you guys the party of “ethics” and “values”?

          I want better quality candidates, regardless of party. You just want “your guy” to win. There’s a big difference.

        • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

          Why does everyone assume that someone is a member of the opposite party when they criticize a candidate?

          I guess most people would prefer everything to be black and white 🙁

      • Gary Cooper says:

        Funny…..I didn’t know a judge has ruled on the civil case involving Tom Graves. Did I miss a headline or are you finding someone guilty before ALL of the facts are laid out?

        • ByteMe says:

          The cases as filed are very revealing. You should read them and understand what it takes to get a $2+ million loan and why having a personal guarantee and then moving the assets used to get the loan out of harm’s way is considered civil fraud.

          • Gary Cooper says:

            I have read the cases. I know what it takes to get $2 million in loads. I also know what constitutes civil fraud. And finally I do know it is the bank making these allegations and the defendant(s) have filed a counter claim. On all court cases I tend to use a wait and see approach until either a settlement is reached or a judge or jury has made a ruling.

    • Joshua Morris says:

      The one who “did it to himself” is the defendant, Tom Graves. He accuses Lee Hawkins of “politics of personal destruction” when he did the personal destruction to himself. The media just made the “vicious” details public, because the voters should know when a congressional candidate’s business dealings are foul.

      I’m sick of you guys’ lies and misrepresentations, Justin. Everything you have accused Hawkins of is what your campaign has been actively involved in since Lee entered the race. If you pull this out, you can chalk it up to dishonesty.

      Lee Hawkins is honest. He has a conservative record. He has a 30+ year above board business history. He best understands the prevailing issues of our time. We’ll see what happens.

      If we win, the 9th District wins. Otherwise, this district become the laughingstock of the Nation. Mark my words.

      • GOPGrassroots says:

        There you go again Josh, failing to provide a reason to vote for your guy you lash out at Tom, calling him names and trying to tear him down by attempting (unsuccessfully) to undermine public perception of his integrity.

        If we were to put your negative posts in one column and your positive posts in another it would be ~100:1 – just like Lee’s campaign. I will give you credit, you have been a tireless and effective representation of the campaign here on Peach Pundit. Negative till the bitter end.

        When we win, the 9th District will be a shining beacon for the conservative cause across the country. It will be a victory for the common sense values and and a reminder that we must focus on the issues that must be addressed so that we can get this nation back on the right track.

        • Joshua Morris says:

          Hold on, let me get you a tissue.

          You apparently didn’t read the second to last paragraph, Justin.

          You know, the truth isn’t positive for your guy. I tell the truth, just like Lee’s campaign does. You guys can’t handle the truth and have had to consistently use distraction techniques to avoid it.

          To be quite honest, you know that both campaign platforms are nearly identical in their talking points. Every forum, there are people asking what the difference is between these guys. The difference is experience, character, and leadership. Lee’s experience with the issues (healthcare, water, illegal immigration, Commerce Clause, etc.) and conservative values that matter to 9th District voters FAR outweighs anything Graves could ever dream of. Lee’s character as a clean, honest businessman stands head and shoulders above that of Graves. Lee’s leadership in the Senate, which didn’t wait until year 7 to do something, demonstrates his strong conservative backbone.

          Your little “conservative beacon” soliloquy sounds spiffy and all, but you know better. Ethics problems tend to ruin one’s credibility.

          Call it what you like, I’ll be truthful until the bitter end.

          • GOPGrassroots says:

            You can call Tom a liar till you’re blue in the face, it has been your broken record theme for weeks, but the voters see right through it as desperation from a campaign that has never been able to define to the voters why they should support Lee Hawkins. All the professional dirty campaigners in Hall County and beyond can’t change the fact that Tom wins on the issues, every time, period.

            Tom’s legislative record is far superior to Lee, who has done little under the gold dome. Sure he touts all the resolutions he’s supported…big whoop…if these resolutions are that important why did he fail to object the the one praising Obama? Either these resolutions are important, or they are not. Which is it?

            In the spirit of your new commitment to truth – was Lee telling the truth when he stated on WSB that his campaign had nothing to do with the loan dispute story? Remember there are those pesky documents with your consultants filing open records requests over 6 months ago on Tom’s personal financial records. Records that have nothing to do with the issues facing the 9th and information that your campaign has sought to use to discredit Tom Graves.

            Don’t get upset when folks accurately describe your campaign as being negative – endless robo-calls saying Tom lied, daily mud mail, countless false accusations, photoshopping (and misspelling) “Judgement” on court records in mail hit pieces, calling Georgia based Capitol Strategies and “DC based lobbying Firm”, calling the JOBS Bill a “Sham”, the candidate’s wife emailing folks that our Finance Director had “quit after a big fight with Tom”, and on and on.

            As if that wasn’t enough, there is your weird obsession with “Justin” who you keep mentioning in your posts, and whose personal Facebook photos you downloaded and then uploaded to your wall, calling him names and refusing to take down even though he asked you to. Real maturity there bud.

            • Joshua Morris says:

              So many false statements, I wouldn’t know where to start. Even if I did, you’d just reply with more gibberish. Keep swimming in your kool-aid, Justin.

        • Joshua Morris says:

          You know what, Justin, I’m not done.

          The more I think about this, the more I remember how many comments I’ve had to write on this site to defend Lee Hawkins from the dishonesty spewing out of your campaign and its supporters. That’s not negative–that’s just setting the record straight.

          Now that the truth about your guy is negative, you can’t take it. Tom Graves tore himself down. Blame him for the destruction, not the ones who illuminated the truth.

          • McDawg81 says:

            This is typical of just what’s been wrong with this campaign. The phrase “defendant and candidate” should not appear together was over the top. Are we now to believe that we can just eliminate all of those totally unnecessary and costly trials and just assume guilt based on the filing of a claim? Tom has not given me specifics, but he has told me personally he feels strongly they will prevail. I believe him. At any event, I think that there’s a bunch of posters on here that have to be getting quite tired of all this physical activity – you know, JUMPING to conclusions. Let’s let the case work it’s way thru the system.

            Lee may be an honorable man, I don’t know him personally. He renders himself no benefit however with his associations with MR, TS, and others. Dumpster diving has no place in presenting your case to be the next Congressman from the 9th. Sending out FOI requests on issues that have NOTHING to do with issues in the race is a stain that Team Hawkins will have to deal with.

      • hannah says:

        Really? Of Georgia’s thirteen districts, the 9th is destined to be “the laughingstock of the Nation”? Is that the Colbert Nation you’re worried about? That the start of the Appalachian Trail might be featured in jokes?

      • Ramblinwreck says:

        “He best understands the prevailing issues of our time. ”

        Not sure about that but I’ll tell you what he does NOT understand, the Constitution.

        Last Friday I had a very pleasant and informative phone conversation with Lee when he called me to try and make his case that he was the candidate the TEA parties in North Georgia should support. I listened and then asked the same question I’ve asked every candidate for this office so far. “If you are elected will you obey the Constitution and specifically, will you adhere to Article I Section 8 of the Constitution?” His response was “I have not memorized the Constitution, I don’t know what that is.” I then explained that these are the enumerated powers that puts limits on the federal government and politely, I hope, asked him how he could represent me if he didn’t even understand the limits of what he is to allow the federal government to do. He admitted that he needed to study this. Two hours later he called another TEA party organizer and declared that he is the most Constitutionally knowledgeable candidate in the race. He must be a VERY fast learner, huh?

        Bottom line is that there are 3 candidates in the July 20th primary who have signed the 10th Amendment Center Pledge to defend the Constitution, as it was intended, and defend Georgia’s 10th Amendment rights. Those 3 people are Steve Tarvin, Bobby Reese and Tom Graves. Tom is the only one of the two on today’s ballot that has signed.

        I’m pretty sure Lee Hawkins wouldn’t think I should be allowed to practice dentistry if I don’t know much more about the field than to brush and floss daily. Likewise, I don’t think he, or anyone else, should be allowed to represent me in Washington if he doesn’t even know the Constitution he is taking an oath to uphold and defend.

        Icarus, take a drink. 🙂

        • Joshua Morris says:

          Looking forward to hearing your candidate(s) recite the Constitution of the United States… all of it… from memory.

          • Ramblinwreck says:

            Joshua,
            I told Lee that I did not expect him to memorize the Constitution when he made that comment. But, the least he should know as a candidate is what the federal government is NOT allowed to do. How can he claim to “uphold and defend” the Constitution if he doesn’t have a clue about the limits placed on it? We already have several hundred of those folks running around in the capitol already and look where it’s brought us.

  2. chefdavid says:

    I voted for Graves today. Do you think Maglev will get a little nervous if Hawkins looses today.
    After Reading this article.
    http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/voter-anger-a-factor-543516.html?cxtype=rss_georgia-politics-elections
    I noticed the Chattanooga Times Free press contributed to this article. I did see anything that they contributed. I bet there contribution was to try and call Maglev Mullis. No suprise I bet they didn’t get a call back. That is why Jim Pope is Running. I have been seeing a lot of his signs go up around Dade. I haven’t seen any for Maglev. I have seen a couple for Jones. It shall be interesting.

  3. Icarus says:

    Tom Graves Election Night Party:

    Start Time: Tuesday, June 8, 2010 at 7:00pm
    End Time: Wednesday, June 9, 2010 at 12:00am
    Location: The Chimneys at Big Canoe
    Street: 36 Wolfscratch Village

    To RSVP, please email [email protected]

    Lee Hawkins Election Night Party:

    Tuesday, June 8

    7:00PM – Victory

    Holiday Inn Lanier Centre
    400 E.E. Butler Parkway
    Gainesville, Georgia

    For more information or to RSVP, please contact
    Laura Stewart at (678) 456-8916

      • ByteMe says:

        Unfortunately, it’s not over. There are at least TWO more elections for this CD between now and November.

        • kyleinatl says:

          And whoever the incumbent is will have about 6 months of actual legislative work before they have to start campaigning again…seriously folks, 4 year two term limits for Congressmen are desperately needed.

  4. drdjm says:

    Was in South Forsyth this morning; light to moderate turn out.

    Prediction:
    Graves; 57%
    Hawkins; 43%

    Pence, Cantor and Ryan will work to get Tom a great committee appointment and he will already have some senority when all the “new” Republicans are elected in November. Could be a great run for N GA.

    • ByteMe says:

      Really, folks, it works better when you hate them all. Makes the selection as simple as closing your eyes and tapping the screen with your finger and hoping you don’t hit the “Back” button.

    • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

      I don’t have a problem with her previous stance on gay adoption and domestic partner benefits. What I don’t like is her pandering and hypocrisy. I’d have more respect for her if she remained consistent. Now we’ll be stuck with OX and Deal in the runoff.

      Four more years of Barnes doesn’t sound so bad now.

      • B Balz says:

        I don’t blame them.

        The good folks that own BP franchised stations are going to suffer on this. A lot of those stations are new, costly, and pretty nice with their coffee/sandwich bar appeal.

        BP killed the Gulf of Mexico. Just let that sink in.

        • bowersville says:

          Did BP kill the Gulf or did we aid & abet BP in killing the Gulf? We the people demanded the oil rigs be placed further out in the gulf away from shore and into deeper water. Even Ted Kennedy didn’t want windmills off Nantucket.

          As BP is now demonstrating, it all but impossible to get equipment will work in 500 ft of water to work in 5000 ft of water. BP might as well be attempting to plug a hole in the moon while working from a hot air baloon.

          Where’s the BigO’s timely response. The Gulf’s spilling and BarryO’s chilling.

          • redrock says:

            I am not an Obama fan by any means – but I think he has responded fine. BO doesn’t have any magic power to rectify the situation any quicker.

            …and I’m pretty sure BP killed the Gulf. Just because the populous demands a good – doesn’t mean the companies supplying it can disregard all logic, reason and safety to create that good.

            • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

              The Coast Guard already commented a few weeks back that there’s nothing that they can do that BP couldn’t do better.

              Besides, if Obama had reacted sooner people would have accused him of meddling, pandering, or cried out that government isn’t the solution, etc.

              • bowersville says:

                I didn’t know the mission of Coast Guard included the oil clean-up business and if they aren’t in the business, there isn’t any expectation on the CG to be able to do anything.

                President Obama said, “And I don’t sit around talking to experts because this is a college seminar; we talk to these folks because they potentially have the best answers, so I know whose @ss to kick.” NBC News

                So which is it? The best answers to resolve the problem or to find out who to blame?

                • ByteMe says:

                  Kicking @ss is not the same as just trying to lay blame. Sometimes you have to do that to get people to do their jobs better. Management 101.

          • benevolus says:

            There are thousands of oil wells closer in down there. They moved further out looking for new oil to drill for, not for the aesthetics of it.

            • ByteMe says:

              I read where there are 33 deep water sites already. This is the first one that went boom and likely because of mistakes on the part of BP to cut corners.

    • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

      I wonder if people are taking off their “Drill, Baby, Drill” bumper stickers??????

    • Lady Thinker says:

      MEEEEEEEEEEE TOOOOOOOOOO. Those poor pelicans, other wildlife , and fish, plus the coastal people.

  5. Mayonnaise says:

    KAREN HANDEL IS A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “Asked in the GE survey if she has LGBT constituents and about her interactions with them, Handel responded, “I have numerous gay and lesbian friends, and my interaction is mostly on a personal level with these individuals. I am also a member of the Georgia Log Cabin Republicans and participated in this year’s Pride Weekend activities and attended the recent Georgia Equity/Human Rights Campaign forum regarding federal ENDA legislation.”

    http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/06/08/gay-rights-emerging-as-issue-in-gop-primary-for-governor/

    • ACCmoderate says:

      Eric Johnson is a brown-noser.
      Nathan Deal is ethically corrupt.
      John Oxendine is an ethically corrupt brown-noser.
      Ray McBerry likes sexing it up with little girls.

      Man, don’t you just feel great about the choices at hand this July?

    • I Am Jacks Post says:

      Wait, I thought Karen said she was in Oregon, and NOT at the Pride Festival? I’m confused.

        • John Konop says:

          Mayonnaise,

          Studies show gay bashers are gays in the closet afraid to come out. Hey Nathan Deal was raising money with Mark Foley a gay sexual predator and it seems you had have no issue. I my world a sexual predator gay or straight is an issue.

          You should just come out of the closet if that is the issue why you gay bash and trust me must of us will not judge you. Most of us let GOD do that and try the best we can focusing on improving our own issues.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          Where is the source you said shows Johnson claimed the $280,000? You lie because you claim he reported it and nobody can find your source.

      • Mozart says:

        Lady, people like you deserve the country you get with the leaders you get.

        For you to continue to deny that Handel lies regarding her positions she took in 2003, along with being a dues-paying member of the Log Cabin Republicans (Dan McLagan denies that she paid to be a member) when faced with the overwhelming evidence offered by Marc Yeager, former chair of the LCR in this story below, is to demonstrate you don’t have much integrity yourself.

        Just to refresh your memory, Handel has repeatedly denied that she ever said she was for gay adoptions, ever marched in the Gay Pride Parade, was ever a member of the Log Cabin Republicans, etc.

        THIS story proves her to be a liar. You will note that not even Dan McLagan had the guts to call Marc Yeagar a liar.

        http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/06/08/gay-rights-emerging-as-issue-in-gop-primary-for-governor/

        Karen Handel is a liar. Anyone who denies that in the face of this evidence apparently has no character themselves.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          I think it is only fair to see what she has to say about the conflicting statements before I pass judgement.

          • Mozart says:

            Amazingly, she is not available to talk. Dan McLagan is carrying the liar banner these days.

  6. Mayonnaise says:

    “Bottom line is that I will work with you and other GLBT leaders to develop workable legislation. Give me a call if you have questions. Otherwise, we can talk at the BBQ on Sunday.” Karen Handel

        • Or gay Republicans. I guess the current GOP leadership sees it as more important to be socially conservative than fiscally conservative. What a shame.

          • ByteMe says:

            Pander to the fascists AND spend like drunken sailors while claiming the other side is worse. Sounds like a winning combination in Georgia.

          • Mozart says:

            Staples, are you actually this blind or what? You aren’t getting the fact that the issue is that Handel lied about her conversations and positions on gay issues just so she could get elected in Fulton, and then turned right around and denied she never had those positions.

            But…then again, as I recall, you admitted that you do not have a college degree, just like Karen does not have one. People (like me) who do have a college degree have, apparently, the ability to easily recognize right and wrong because we are taught how to adhere to right and wrong (i.e., not cheating in school) on a rigorous basis.

            Thank you for proving to us that not having a college degree generally leads to not having a whole lot of personal integrity.

            • bowersville says:

              If every body that changed their position on a political issue were held accountable as a liar, they would all be liars.

              Full disclosure, I’m undecided in the GOP Governor’s primary.

              Flip-Flop makes a good chant but that’s about it. I at least want to believe it’s the substance of a candidate that matters.

              • Mozart says:

                Oh, really? So that’s the new standard, Bowers? She didn’t admit that she “changed her position.” She is denying that she ever HAD the position on the issue.

                That is the point here. She would have been fine had she said “Through more study of this issue, I have decided to change my position and go this way…”

                She did not take that route. She lied about ever having the position. She covered-up her previous stances. That is a lie, plain and simple.

                • bowersville says:

                  Mozart you have called Handel a liar about 400 times. You made your point. I have a difference of opinion, if you don’t like it you can lump it. There is nothing Handel can say to satify you. Never, ever. We get it.

                  What is it with you Johnson’s?

                  • Mozart says:

                    Bowersville, the “point” is made when you concede that she is a liar and stop trying to deflect the issue. After you do that, then we can address your concerns.

                    But until you demonstrate you have intellectual and moral integrity to be able to recognize those who don’t have integrity, I will keep repeating this mantra to anything you throw-out there that does not address Karen’s lying.

            • Mozart – I don’t believe I’ve ever addressed the “lie” issue. I’ve only addressed the working with others (including the homosexual crowd) issue. I’ve also never claimed to be a Handel supporter. So attack me all you want but you seem to be the one lacking reading comprehension skills. Didn’t they start teaching that in second grade?

  7. Mayonnaise says:

    I am also a member of the Georgia Log Cabin Republicans and participated in this year’s Pride Weekend activities and attended the recent Georgia Equity/Human Rights Campaign forum regarding federal ENDA legislation. Karen Handel

    • Lady Thinker says:

      Mayo,

      I have asked you numerous times what your candidate do for Georgia that is better and you have refused to answer. Instead, you call her a liar and make issues where there are none.

      Again, what can Johnson do for Georgia that is better than what the other candidates are saying they can do? Get this debate back on track and present a logical argument. Or do you know how?

      • Mozart says:

        At minimum, Johnson has a track record of not lying. Handel has a 7-year history of lying.

        First in 2003, she took positions that she did not believe in just to get elected Fulton County chair.

        Then in 2006, she denied she ever had those positions.

        Also in 2006, she made multiple statements regarding the need for paper ballots for paper trails on the voting machines. After getting elected, she promptly reversed her positions on the voting machines and said we don’t need paper.

        NOW…in 2010, she claims that Marc Yeager, who is shown to have had an e-mail conversation with Karen via Jim Galloway’s column yesterday and his 3 examples, that the person writing on the “Karen Handel” side was not actually Karen (even though there is a peppering of the use of the word “I” all throughout that e-mail), but her campaign manager Matt Montgomery.

        Yeah. Right. Sure.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          Are you so focused on bashing Karen that you can’t tell me in your own words, what your candidate stands for and why you think your candidate is the best choice for Georgia?

  8. chefdavid says:

    This Governors race has me perplexed on who to vote for. With the list of Candidates part of me wants to vote for the one who will bring us the most humor and front page post. Who do you think that will be, why, and who do you think would be the best?

  9. benevolus says:

    I seem to remember Karen misled the paper ballot people too. Said she supported paper ballots but then flip flopped once she got to be SoS.

  10. Jane says:

    I hate to defend Karen. Yes she is the most liberal of the GOP candidates, but she is not that far left in comparison to the average GOP voter or former candidates we have put up in the past.

    • MouthoftheSouth says:

      Jane,

      It isn’t that she is liberal or not, it is that she is pandering and nobody can get an idea of her core beliefs. They will be continued to be stymied of course because she does not have core beliefs, just current positions.

      Maybe they teach core beliefs senior year…

      • Mozart says:

        Forget the use of the word “pandering.” Karen Handel is a liar, plain and simple. It’s quite the different word and meaning.

  11. bowersville says:

    Earlier Jane mentioned she had already voted. If I remember correctly, Jane stated a vote for EJ. Previously on the PP, Jane has very clearly and difinitively shown her social conservative views. Now she’s taking up for Karen.

    See the potential for a pattern? If I have the right Jane ya’ll have been sucker punched by Marty Ryals and you didn’t see it coming.

    • Mozart says:

      No pattern at all. Perhaps Jane is a person of intellectual honesty. She voted for EJ, but can still state something she believes to be factual about Karen.

      “Sucker punched by Marty Ryals?” Really? Is Marty Ryall Marc Yager? ‘Cause that would be the only way anyone got “sucker-punched.”

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