Teacher Of The Year Had Sex With Student

I wonder if Ray McBerry will sue for not being named Teacher of the Year in 2002?

From the AJC:

Keenon Aampay Hall, 29, left a promising career as an English teacher at the Gwinnett County school amid allegations that she seduced a senior who came to her for homework help. An investigative file on the case compiled by the school system’s human resources division contains the student’s accounts of sexual trysts at a hotel, a friend’s home and in the teacher’s classroom during school hours. The report also says that pornography was found on Hall’s Gwinnett County schools laptop.

Nope, story isn’t political at all. Except that we still have a candidate for Governor who had his teaching certificate suspended for having an inappropriate relationship with a student. Just a friendly reminder about that part.

Consider this an OPEN THREAD:


  1. B Balz says:

    This quote is surely a keeper, you just cannot make this stuff up:

    “We entered the room … then she gave me some vodka and ask me do I enjoy drinking?” he wrote. “I told her lies about being a good drinker, but honeslty after one drink I was done. She began feeling my man parts and we had sex.”

  2. iamnotasocialist says:

    It’s early, folks, so I don’t have all of the creativity in me at the moment, but let’s just go ahead and .

    • iamnotasocialist says:

      I just realized that my lame attempt at a joke did not post. Therefore, please insert the bracketed words INSERT BURRITO IN PANTS JOKE HERE following the word “and.”

  3. John Konop says:

    Will this be the story about drugs in the future?

    Last Call:

    WSJ….It’s a safe conjecture that the snapshot impression most Americans have of the Prohibition era is a gauzy haze of speakeasies, Al Capone, bootleggers, flappers, bathtub gin and Harlem’s Cotton Club. For decades, the Hollywood and literary glorification of those who flouted the 18th Amendment—which went into effect on Jan. 17, 1920—has promoted the entirely accurate notion that the Prohibition story is at times outrageously picaresque. But the pop-culture view has also fostered the inaccurate belief that alcohol back then was a rare commodity, available only to the privileged, the daring and the outright criminal.

    In fact, as Daniel Okrent shows in “Last Call,” his superb history of the Prohibition era, obtaining a drink with a lot more kick than a bottle of pop wasn’t at all difficult for the thirsty public. The law’s loopholes were numerous, and the judiciary, suddenly overwhelmed by Prohibition-related arrests, was extraordinarily lenient. Fortunes were made by taking advantage of exemptions for “medicinal” alcohol, for hard cider made by farmers from fermented fruit and for sacramental wine used in religious services. And that was just the legal stuff. As for the illegal booze, there was plenty of that around too, as public servants grew rich taking bribes and kickbacks in exchange for turning a blind eye. It was a rollicking and sordid period in the country’s history….


  4. John Konop says:

    Why should any caps be put on liabilities for BP? This will have a major impact on our economy even in Georgia. In a free market system it is about risk, reward and following the laws. I am not sure why they do not have criminal liability.

    …..A document obtained by The Daily Beast shows that BP, in a previous fatal disaster, increased worker risk to save money. Are there parallels with the Gulf explosion?

    This is a story about the Three Little Pigs. A lot of dead oil workers. And British Petroleum.

    From the minute the Deepwater Horizon offshore rig exploded, BP has hewed to a party line: it did everything it could to prevent the April 20 accident that killed 11 men and has been spewing millions of gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico ever since. Some critics have questioned the veracity of that position.

    Now The Daily Beast has obtained a document—displayed below—that goes to the heart of BP procedures, demonstrating that before the company’s previous major disaster—at a moment when the oil giant could choose between cost-savings and greater safety—it selected cost-savings. And BP chose to illustrate that choice, without irony, by invoking the classic Three Little Pigs fairy tale.

    EXCLUSIVE: This internal BP document shows how the company took deadly risks to save money by opting to build cheaper facilities for workers. The company estimated the value of a worker’s life at $10 million…..


    • B Balz says:

      Good find, though I imagine folks who have not sat through C level presentations will find this egregious. Simply put, every corporation optimizes risk, assesses costs, makes decisions. This is SOP, people get raises, promotions, and bonuses based on this sort of short term corporate groupthink.

      Caps should not be allowed, and frankly, it is way passed the time that we should be asking “why they do not have criminal liability”. Now is the time we should be showing textbook examples of humiliating and expensive trials of convicted executives to prospective MBA’s.

      “I been cheated, been mistreated. I’ve been put down, I’ve been pushed ’round. I been made blue, I’ve been lied to.”

      -Apologies to Linda Ronstadt…

      • hannah says:

        Corporations are organized to relieve individual members of the risks associated with new, untried, or dangerous enterprise. That’s their reason for being, regardless of whether they are public or private corporations. That’s why corporations have charters to outline and define the tasks and obligations they are organized to carry out–no more and no less. If the provisions of the charters are not satisfied, then the logical consequence is for the corporate entity, whether it is a political subdivision (town, county, state, nation) or a commercial enterprise, to be dissolved.
        Our failure lies in not having applied this ultimate remedy on a regular basis. Perhaps that’s because there has been a concerted effort to equate the private corporation (an artificial person) with the private individual (the natural person), as a result of which, as the Citizens United ruling recently demonstrated, artificial persons have been granted the same rights and leeway as the single natural person–i.e. any and all behavior may be freely engaged in, unless and until it proves detrimental or injurious to someone else. And the environment doesn’t count as an entity subject to injury. Not to mention that there has to be intent to prove crime.

        It seems passing strange that we put natural persons, who are going to die anyway, to death, but artificial persons, whose capacity to inflict damage is much greater, have been granted virtual immortality, as well as immunity, by virtue of our failure set standards of behavior and enforce them with involuntary dissolution.

      • Lady Thinker says:

        Didn’t this happen back in the eighties with the Ford Pinto? The engineers and top brass knew about the rear-end collision explosions but 1500 or so people had to die before public outrage reached the board and changes were made. In fact, that was the end of the Pinto model and Ford gasoline tanks were moved or reinforced.

        We also have the Toyota/Lexus problem but at least 1500 people didn’t die in firey deaths.

        • ByteMe says:

          The difference is that there wasn’t a $75 million cap on damages for Ford in the Pinto situation. There is on BP in this situation.

  5. B Balz says:

    So here is a live-real time Police story from GA:

    20 y.o. female is ‘turned’ by ‘friends’ after they are busted on misdemeanor drug (pharm pills) charges. Police set-up 20 y.o. female for a buy, in a parking lot, full-on take down. The bust is for ONE pill.

    She is going to ‘drug court’ jumping through the hoops, and they may either help to save her life or ruin it. Either way, her bust is another’s new customer.

    Now there are two ways to look at this:

    1.) It was an illegal act, done by someone who had probably been buying stuff for awhile -True, but

    2.) Was the public good served by this Police action?

    I am not about to criticize our Officers or Command, but is this not a latter day example of the fortunes being made over a “rollicking and sordid period” happening now?

    • iamnotasocialist says:

      To answer your second question, I really do not think so. There are people out there deaking in arms and significantly large amounts of ilicit and dangerous substances, and the police set up a full-on sting operation for a single Adderol? I mean that just seems excessive to me. Sure, it’s illegal, and sure it’s a drug, but let’s just say meth might be a bit more dangerous.

      • B Balz says:

        Meth. Scourge!

        Anyone involved ought to be given the absolute highest priority by law enforcement. I heard that DEA is not even looking at cases of smuggling below about $4M. I bet 80% of what passes under the wire is below that threshold.

        This is one very serious problem. Meth is a soul robbing, vile, no possible upside problem that is robbing millions of their free will. And making millions for others.

        Look into it if you haven’t. The current PSA’s in Atlanta are scary –and with good reason, this is a horrible problem going on right now, in lovely, small rural communities.

        Studies show this is NOT and Atlanta drug of choice, it is used primarily by blue collar workers and young folks, in rural areas. It is cheap, addictive, and easily available.

        And the revenues are flowing as the Courts are filling up. Along the way, all the usual suspects, attorneys, bail bondsmen, recovery agents, etc. are finding plenty of new work.

        Meth is not an indictment on the GOP or Dems, but an indictment of a society that has lost its’ way. We are in a drug war, alright. The enemy is in the bedroom or house next door. Unless we can turn around the hugely disturbing trend that is ‘meth’, we will see consequences more dire than the plague of heroin.

        I just saw a life thrown away recently, so I guess this is a bit raw to me, a middle aged suburban taxpayer.

        • iamnotasocialist says:

          My girlfriend and I are very happy that the Montana Meth Project, which was wildly successful up there, has come to Georgia. I too know former meth addicts who have turned their life around, but not without consequences.

          B Balz- I hope you didn’t think I was against enforcing laws against those who are involved with meth. My point was precisely that meth should be such a higher priority than a 20 year old college student who popped a study drug a few times, and that my tax money should be going towards saving lives, not an unnecessary drug bust.

          • hannah says:

            The people who are high on control are not into saving lives. They are into deprivation of rights and if someone is deprived of life, that’s just an unavoidable happenstance.
            The line between the cop and the crook is thin because both are into deprivation–one under cover of law; the other in contravention.
            Think of predators and scavengers working in tandem.

            • iamnotasocialist says:

              It’s really a great program, and all of those harrowing ads in GA are from our iteration of it.

        • Red Phillips says:

          For the record, Adderall is a mix of amphetamine salts, and is legitimately used for ADD, although it can be abused and is a Schedule II drug. But Adderall is not methamphetamine.

          • iamnotasocialist says:

            I am well aware. I’m at work and tired, so I didn’t make a clear point. I was basically saying that Adderol (or whatever prescription pill) is less important to do a sting on than meth.

        • Lady Thinker says:


          You are right about the money flowing in but I suspect in the long term we will have a deficit relating to those funds due to overcrowding jail/prison housing, medical services, and counseling unless there is a ton of volunteers out there.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      In an attempt to offer an explanation for the police actions, maybe the police felt they were going to get a significant amount of illegal drugs based on the information they received and it did not turn out that way. No agency would/should waste manpower and hours to seize just one pill. Sounds like those arrested wanted to give just enough information to get out of trouble and to target the person holding the least amount of drugs so as not to endanger future drug supplies.

      If the police wanted to increase drug arrests for statistical record keeping, they could do that by arresting the elderly, easy targets. The law says that prescriptions must be kept in the original containers. Most of the elderly buy pill box holders and fill them up with a week’s worth of medications at a time. If they get confused as to what meds must be taken when, an adult child will fill up the pill boxex. Now the police can add even more arrests, the forgetful parent and the adult child conspiring to help the parent by breaking the law by using pill containers to make sure parents take the appriopate meds at the right times.

      Think about it, in Georgia alone, that could net thousands of people who violate the original container law and fill the cofers with millions of dollars for the budget. The law doesn’t say everyone except the elderly has to abide by the law. But the police use discretion and ignore the elderly breaking this law because it would be an outrage to do so and would not serve the public good much less having the jail space and medical staff to put away all these senior citizens.

  6. jenny says:

    B Balz-

    Well, you gotta keep growing the incarcerated slaves for the sake of Corrections Corporation of America (CCA), one of the fastest growing companies in America. Stock holders include WalMart, Exxon, General Motors, Ford, Hewlett-Packard, Verizon, etc. Corporations can contract for incarcerated labor at a rate of .20/hr- 1.45/hr while citizens on the outside of the bars work hard to produce the taxes necessary to maintain the slave labor. (Federal Prisons operate under the trade name Unicor).

    Only 49% of those incarcerated are sentenced for violent offenses. The majority are for VICTIMLESS crimes.

    These united States has the highest per capita incarceration rate of any country in the world, and thanks to the “War on Drugs,” the prison population has increased three fold since 1980.

    Of course, you occasionally get slimey politicians whose victims litter the landscape, yet thanks to a brilliant formula of victimization, evades justice while claiming to promote it.

    I just enjoy irony wherever I can get it.

    As for the sexually charged 29 year old teacher, perhaps her victim could pay her. Since the Republicans are working to legalize child prostitution, it’ll be kosher in another legislative session anyway.

    Hi, Icky. Haven’t been here in awhile. I was seduced by your article title, you naughty, naughty, boy.


    • B Balz says:

      Hey jenny, nice to see you here. For those that may not recall, jenny is responsible for my handle…

      • ByteMe says:

        Most definitely. It’s amazing the number of laws on the books that outlawed “victimless crimes” like intra-race marriages.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          Loving v. Virginia took care of the interracial marriages laws and as I recall, Bobby Kennedy was instrumental in overturning laws against interracial marriages. After WWII, I think these marriages were illegal in 38 states.

          • ByteMe says:

            Point being is that if you look on the books, you’ll find lots of laws that are what any sane person would consider “victimless crime” only because the crime is because there’s a law on the books and not because a real criminal act as a sane person would define it has been committed.

            • Lady Thinker says:

              Gotcha. Government never takes laws off the books as you well know. Court cases simple replace the legal intent of whatever is being argued.

              College textbooks refer to victimless crimes as porn, gambling, prostitution, drug use, those kinds of things, then goes on to explain why none of these are victimless crimes. So when I asked about victimless crimes, it was in this light I was asking.

              My students think none of the above should be crimes so the arguments for and against get pretty heated sometimes.

    • Lawful Money says:

      Careful Jenny….

      An overload of uncompromising common sense, sprinkled with the take-no-prisoners wit of a woman whose feet are firmly cemented in law, logic and the fearless rectitude of unvarnished truth…..can be frightening to brainwashed Orwellian fascists who masquerade as Demopublitarians…

      ….not that there would be any of THOSE moderating, participating in, or frequenting this fine establishment of course….

      ….I’m just sayin’ 🙂

  7. Rick Day says:

    Yeah well…he was FINE with everything until the REALLY responsible thing came along (“make me a bee-bee!” er… no”).

    Yeah he was fine with it all; banging a fine teacher and doing some FINE braggin’ to his posse… UNTIL she dropped his grade. THEN it was not fine!

    Student+entitlement attitude =/= future human
    sex+pay= proper preparation as a ‘pro athlete’.

    Arrogant jock.

  8. LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

    There’s already a post for Michael Thurmond failing to file disclsure forms for 2 years, but here’s the rest of the story (Seriously, what is the Ethics Commission good for beyond serving as a repository for this kind of information?) :

    “Statewide candidates who have yet to file a personal financial disclosure are:

    * Ex-Sen. Joey Brush, running for Public Service Commission
    * Darryl Hicks, running for insurance commissioner
    * Rep. Randal Mangham, running for governor
    * Michael Mills, running for secretary of state
    * Angela Moore, running for secretary of state
    * Sen. J.B. Powell, running for agriculture commissioner
    * Sen. Georganna Sinkfield, running for secretary of state

    Two other statewide candidates filed incomplete disclosures with the Ethics Commission. Dennis Cain, running for insurance commissioner, filed a blank form. Jeff May, vice chairman of the House Republican Caucus, filed the wrong form for his Public Service Commission race — not the one required of statewide candidates.”

  9. Lady Thinker says:

    I think sociologists need to do a study to determine how rampant teacher-student sex has become, study the reasons this occurs, and how damaging this behavior is to the original victim, the student, to the community, and to society at large.

    I am not condoning the behavior because I think these people are pedophiles and all of them should be in jail. I also think there should be a strigent screening in place to try and identify common behaviors to identify this segment of people who choose professions to be around kids.

    It just seems to be an equal number of men and women abuse children in this fashion.

    • MSBassSinger says:

      I doubt it is any more rampant now than it was 30 years ago. The difference is that back then, it was handled between the family, local school, and the offender.

      Now, there is a whole sex offender cottage industry that puts every case in the hands of law enforcement and the courts, thus we hear more about it. The hysteria fueling that cottage industry got so bad, that after a number of really bad laws, the Ga Legislature finally passed, and Gov. Perdue signed, a more balanced law.

      There is no excuse for a teacher having sex with a student. Period.

      There is no excuse for a teenager willingly having sex with a teacher. Period.

      How old do you have to be to know such things are wrong?

      But is every case worthy of judicial action? When the student has reached the age of consent or older, and is a willing participant, it seems to me that is something that should be handled by the school’s disciplinary procedures (for both teacher and student). When the student is underage (in Georgia, less than 16 years old), then it should become a criminal issue.

      Keep in mind, for the sake of accuracy, a pedophile is a person who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children (generally, under 13 years old). The teacher that has a sexual affair with a willing teenage participant is guilty of stupidity and low moral character, but they are not pedophiles.

      • John Konop says:


        I do agree some people blend the concept of pedophiles with sexual abuse cases. Both are very wrong but a pedophile should be dealt with much more harshly than the above situation.

        With that said this woman should never be allowed to teach and or work with teenagers again.

        • MSBassSinger says:

          Agree 100%. Also, pedophiles and others with paraphilias are the only ones who are likely to offend again. Those who are not pedophiles/paraphiliacs are easily rehabilitated, and after 5 years of good behavior, rarely ever re-offend.

          Now if we can just hold parents, teachers, administrators, and school boards accountable for failing to educate students in government schools with the same zeal we go after sex offenders, then we’ll really be helping “the children”. Graduating the ignorant should be considered criminal child abuse.

          • bowersville says:

            I have a difference of opinion on how a school teacher should be dealt with.

            A public teacher, male or female, has a captive audience as our State Constitution requires that we furnish an education and our laws require students to attend up to a certain age or seek private and costly alternatives. We each participate in this process by our tax money being used to furnish this education whether we privately educate our children or not.

            I know the difference between a police officer and a public school teacher. But to me the concept is the same. The law says there is no consent of a person held in custody and simply stoping a traveling motorist on the side of the rode is viewed as custody because the person isn’t free to leave. Sex between a police officer and a person detained is rape pure and simple.

            There should be no lawful consent between a k-12 student and k-12 teacher.

            • ByteMe says:

              If the teacher is not at the student’s school, then there’s no custody relationship. Just tawdry, but not custody.

            • John Konop says:


              I agree it should be against the law, my point it is not the same as a serial rapist, pedophiles…..and it should not be the same punishment.

            • Lady Thinker says:

              I agree with you bowersville. On duty police sex with someone stopped for a traffic offense or for any legal reason is custodial rape. Teachers are authority figures and the victim may feel threatened on some level like failing a class or fear of violence, or whatever reason. I think teachers having sex with any student in the K-12 system is rape and should be punished as such.

              Some college professors have sex with students and while it is frowned on, both are willing participants more so than in the K-12 system.

              • MSBassSinger says:

                In most cases, it is not some teacher preying on unsuspecting students or coercing sexual favors. When it is, of course that should be, and is, illegal.
                It is usually a teacher and a student who are both willingly engaged in a sexual relationship, and both should be punished within the local school’s policies and procedures, and that teacher should lose their certification and not be able to teach minors again.

                To call it rape when the student is a willing participant (and at or beyond the age of consent) is just ludicrous. We just finally got rid of laws that were the result of hysteria similar to what you have written. Those laws prevented law enforcement from targeting the dangerous sex offenders because they were overwhelmed by having to monitor the non-dangerous sex offenders. Why did they have to do that? Because the 2006 law added a large number of people to the registry, such that 65% of those on the registry were found by the State not to be a danger. Finally, a few days ago, that law was corrected so law enforcement can finally start focusing on those they know to be a danger.

                We all really need to avoid blowing things out of proportion, start calling things what they really are, and quit giving juvenile delinquents a pass because they are “the children”.

                And, the concept of students being in the custody of teachers is only valid when the student is in the teacher’s class during class. Otherwise, a student is free to leave the presence of the teacher. Not so when you are in a policeman’s custody. The two aren’t even similar.

                • Lady Thinker says:

                  You make some good points but I cannot agree with everything you said, so it’s back to agree to disagree whether you feel it’s ludicrous or not.

                  • MSBassSinger says:

                    I agree on that – I like how you can disagree and not be disagreeable. Please note I wasn’t calling you ludicrous. While I understand and agree with righteous indignation at the wrong that is done when a teacher and student have an inappropriate relationship, and the absolute necessity for punishing the wrongdoers and never affirming the behavior, please consider this…

                    Think about the impact on the teacher’s innocent spouse and children. They suffer in proportion to the punishment he gets. If his punishment exceeds the crime (in our discussion, calling consensual sex “rape”) – is it right to make the innocent family members suffer beyond his justifiable punishment so you can feel better about the issue?

                    And for the student who willingly participated – are you not teaching that student that because they are students/”children”, they can get away with equally wrong acts by claiming victimhood, and avoid the consequences of their behavior? Can you not see how that harms them as they grow up believing they can always cry “victim” to avoid the consequences of their adult bad behavior?

                    • Lady Thinker says:

                      This post seems clearer than your first one and I totally agree with this one. You are a good blogger and I like reading your posts because I take away food for thought. And you don’t get upset and attack if someone disagrees with you. We need more intelligent posters like you and my favorite posters know who they are.

    • Mozart says:

      Yes, let’s allocate $1,500,000 of government money to do that…to what end, though? Who cares? By having a study done, that will not reduce the problem.

      Arrest them when discovered. Making and publicizing way-stiffer (no pun intended or implied) penalties would reduce the occurrences.

    • Cicero says:

      God no, the last thing we need is more sociologist studies. Those people like to invent problems so they can invent solutions. You know the problem here? Teenagers want sex. Adults want sex. Dumb people get through the cracks and things like this happen. Its nothing new.

  10. jenny says:

    This would not be the time to mention the recent SCROTUS decision that opined sex offenders could be incarcerated indefinitely. Of course this won’t bleed into application to every other incarcerated citizen.

    “Every invasion of individual rights happens with the eager support of people acting in the sincere and thoroughly mistaken confidence that what they permit the state to do to others will never be done to them.”
    William Norman Grigg

    • Lawful Money says:

      There you go again….

      This time using Grigg’s unqualified brilliance & unmatched prose as supporting artillery.

      I think it’s already time for a “time-out” for you, young lady.

  11. Buzzfan says:

    In other ‘open thread’ developments, I have been unable to find anything that gives credence to the rumours of the McBerry camp hiring Benny Mardones to perform at a primary-night soirée.

    Stay tuned.

      • Buzzfan says:

        Yeah, it was Benny’s hit, “Into the Night”, that opens with….

        “She’s just sixteen years old……’Leave her alone’, they sayyyyyy…….”


        • iamnotasocialist says:

          “Well she was just…seventeen, if you know what I mean.”

          My Beatles apparently were McBerryites too.

  12. Doug Deal says:

    For those who aren’t aware, Ray McBerry has sent a cease and desist order to Jeff Sexton ordering him to take down all references to child molestation and other matters with the threat of filing a law suit after the election.

    The big joke about the threat is that it was penned by his lawyer “Todd Harding” (member since 2006) who was the council for the guy who sued Karen Handel for the ID requirement and had the email address on the state bar website of:

    [email protected]

    One wonders how far down to the bottom of the barrel McBerry had to scrape to round up a recent law school grad using the email moniker “Kamikaze Hitman” on his professional license.

    • ByteMe says:

      I’ll bet that “business experience” Graves supporters like to talk about really helped him hide his property from the bank so that he’d look broke and avoid paying his debts.


      As for Erick… no surprise. He has his own agenda and it’s mostly about promoting himself as the “next Rush”. Consistency is not required; just a daily stream of attacks to tweet to get himself noticed.

  13. jenny says:

    I find it amusing that the chief characteristics of the head liberty candidate are bullying, intimidation, and hollow unprofessional “press releases.”

    I think McChickenHawk would be a good title.

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