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    • reaganrev4 says:

      haha ya, paid for by…..? Id imagine Tom is going to cower behind the CFG on this one too…or Peach Pundit…either or?

      • gagop77 says:

        Perhaps, but I strongly doubt that the Graves campaign would put out an ad like this. The quality is really crappy and the actual ad done by the campaign was of very good production quality whether you like Graves or not. I don’t know how much CFG spends on ads but I would be SHOCKED to learn the Graves campaign would put an ad like this. Most likely some die-hard Graves supporter who has iVideo and was bored one afternoon.

    • GeorgiaConservative says:

      Seeing as it’s poor quality and not completely thought thru, my guess goes to…… Debbie Dooley, Exalted Ruler of the Atl Tea Party!

  1. reaganrev4 says:

    funny, i can’t find that page about Hawkins and Biden anywhere on his campaign site…after all the hoopla about the word judgement being placed on the legal documents showing Graves cannot run a business (which changed nothing about the fact those documents still showed he is business illiterate), I would expect someone to point out this photoshopped bit…but i know better

    • Bobby Butterworth says:

      Sharon- betchya wish Lee knew better than to back Obama’s Stimulus plan and sit front row at Biden’s little rally, huh?

      But, but… it was a good idea, before it was a bad idea.

      • reaganrev4 says:

        i guess you think if you start multiple threads with the name Sharon at the beginning it will turn me into Sharon? Sorry to dissapoint…still packing my “man parts” (reference to Gwinnet school sex scandal)

  2. Bobby Butterworth says:

    Sharon- I imagine that you figured out it was a bad idea for Lee to attend and therefore removed the press release from the site. Little too late for that, wasn’t it?

  3. reaganrev4 says:

    Ha, well first of all I’m pretty sure I don’t have the required tools to be a woman…if you catch my drift.

    And second, if that is the case than how did this anonymous video maker get it? I have literally not seen it on Hawkins congressional page once.

    And third, why does it matter? Did he work for the stimulus money? Did he do anything for it to be brought here? No…he was invited to an event and went, where are Governor also attended. Do democrats own us now so much now that we aren’t allowed to be at the same places as them? Sad day

  4. Joshua Morris says:

    What does Lee have to do with the items at the beginning of the video (stimulus, skate park, vacant building, dance center…)?

    Nothing new–just more dishonesty from the opposition.

    • appachtrail70 says:

      His record speaks for itself… Hawkins praising the stimulus.

      http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/27305/

      “State Sen. Lee Hawkins, R-Gainesville, who is seeking the congressional seat Deal will vacate in 2010, praised the North Georgia Network for “providing the infrastructure many businesses need to operate” and creating the possibility for new jobs in the district.

      “Government has no place in increasing bureaucracy in order to create jobs,” Hawkins said in a statement his campaign released Thursday. “Instead, government should be supporting projects like the North Georgia Network that provide the tools businesses need to keep employees employed and to expand their reach. Business should lead the private sector, not government.”

  5. Bobby Butterworth says:

    The Democrats don’t own anyone but a true conservative would know a hell of a lot better than to show up at a rally to praise Obama’s stimulus. Crazy Joe shows up and Lee decides he’ll go see what all the excitement is about and secure a front row seat.
    Biden was in town and Hawkins… stricken with awe.
    So proud to be there he tweeted and Facebooked about a “great evening with the Vice President.”

    • one n done says:

      Bobby,
      From a person who doesn’t vote in this race or follow it much, I’d say I have no bias, and I’m still pretty positive you made up everything in that post. “Hawkins stricken with awe” haha and “he tweeted great evening with the Vice President” – it doesn’t take a genius to see right through both of those comments…just be honest, you made em up

      • He may have facebooked that, but if he tweeted it – then he did so in an odd fashion.

        What I mean by that is, here’s a tweet along those lines: http://twitter.com/leeforcongress/status/6767239194

        But you’ll notice that tweet is substantially different than “great evening with the Vice President” It’s possible such a message was deleted, but why would he have said that as well as the posted tweet? Doesn’t make sense. I’m willing to bet his facebook says the same thing, as it appears the campaign uses an app to post to twitter and likely post the same thing to facebook.

        I can’t speak to the stricken with awe portion.

        • “attending Vice President Biden and Gov. Purdue’s announcement of public/private stimulus development for northeast Georgia in Dawson County.”

          Is not:

          “great evening with the Vice President.”

          • Locke and Load says:

            As Ronald said, the two are not the same. I wonder how many others from Georgia’s Senate were also in attendance. I’d also wager that many city and county elected officials from Dawson County were also in attendance; should we point and scream “RINOs!” and “Moderates!” at them as well? I’m not a big Hawkins fan, but there is nothing here to attack.

            Not to mention that Biden is our Vice President. Is Georgia supposed to give the middle finger to the current Administration every time they come down to Georgia. Want to point fingers at stimulus dollars? I’d look at our Governor more than a dentist-turned-senator Hawkins.

  6. Jason Heyward for President says:

    This ad is awful. Looks like something someone’s kid did for a high school computers project.

    Since there is no disclaimer, I assume this is a web ad, not running on tv.

    • McDawg81 says:

      You guys amaze me. Anybody can sue anybody – and you think this is news before the outcome is determined?

      How did you guys buy off Linder? Was it the fact that he was of a kindred spirit – a dentist? Should have checked that one though before you ruined what was a good reputation. Videos of the event, along with the program flyer make for hard facts to dispute…

      Pitiful. It’s folk like you that keeps me from HallGOP.

      • Gary Cooper says:

        Yeah I got the call too. Kind of shocked and saddened that Linder would do this. Not necessarily endorse Hawkins – I can see why he would do that – but make a statement that unfortunately will sour his reputation a little bit.

        Can’t wait to hear the spin coming from the Hawkins supporters on how this call is factual.

        • stubbs_zombie says:

          From what I’ve heard, that call was not endorsed or prepared by Linder, the rumor I hear, is that Linder hasn’t endorsed anyone in this race.

          • stubbs_zombie says:

            Strike that, just listened to the thing on Hawkins website, sure sounds like Linder. I guess what I heard was the false rumor.

        • Joshua Morris says:

          Don’t you think Linder would support someone who actually was furthering the cause of the FairTax he authored? He wouldn’t distance himself from someone like that. In the call, Linder clearly stated that he didn’t know who Graves was nor why he was at the event in question.

          Bottom line: Graves isn’t the FairTax champion he claims to be, and the author of the concept–a conservative’s conservative–has endorsed Lee Hawkins.

          • Gary Cooper says:

            Obviously someone invited Tom Graves to the event and he was on stage just before Congressman Linder. I find it hard to believe that two people speaking at the same event right after one another would not have at least had a token conversation. If he didn’t know why Graves was at the event, then why didn’t he bring it up then? You know he and Boortz put together these Fair Tax rallies. Seems like they would have had something to say about who spoke.

            And Linder can endorse anyone he wants. I have absolutely no problem with that. I tend to think he endorsed Hawkins because of the support of the American Dental Association and since both are fellow dentists. I can clearly see why he would do that.

            The Fair Tax is a moot point in this particular election since every candidate on the GOP side has said they are for it and would work for its passage. However, only one candidate I know in this race has his campaign constantly battering the one group in DC that is actually working for meaningful tax reform like a Flat Tax or The Fair Tax.

            • Joshua Morris says:

              The “one group in DC”? Are you sure about that? Even if it were true, does it make telling lies on mailers okay?

              Some people get endorsements from colleagues who respect them. Others get them from the client list of the lobbying firm that works for them. If I had my druthers, I’d go with the former.

      • GeorgiaConservative says:

        Rick, how did you buy off Lynn Westmoreland? Guess the better question is why is Tom Graves already sold out to Washington Special Interests groups that attack national leading conservatives like Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and John McCain. Club for Growth does more damage to the party than good.

        And if Tom Graves being sued for a “frivolous” 2.2M keeps you from the HallGOP then I have to wonder when was the last time you mustered up enough guts to step away from your basement computer to go outside.

    • kcordell says:

      Don’t leave out Chip Rogers role in this suit. It was Grave’s and Roger’s company that defaulted on the loan.

  7. GeorgiaConservative says:

    I just don’t understand why Tom Graves would blatantly call a respected, sitting US Congressman, and author of the FairTax, a liar.

    Why does Tom Graves blame the multi million dollar lawsuit on Lee Hawkins? Does Lee operate the Bartow County Bank that Tom Graves has defrauded?

    • hannah says:

      Today’s conservatives tend to have difficulty identifying who’s actually responsible for doing what. It’s a disability which lets them blame others for their own mistakes and take credit for others’ success. It also lets them substitute intent for the act — i.e. what they mean to do is considered done. A poor sense of time and sequence may account for it.
      There may be a basis in fact for “Who’s on first?” That one of the primary functions of great civilizations seems to be keeping track of time, suggests the possibility that many people can’t do that for themselves. If change over time is disconcerting, it would make sense for people to want things to stay the same.

  8. debbie0040 says:

    Lee Hawkins has used lies in campaign ads before. Hawkins is no conservative. He is a RINO just like John McCain…..

    http://archive.gainesvilletimes.com/news/stories/20060730/localnews/113977.shtml

    You Hawkins people are sickening. When you attack Graves, you attack Chip Rogers as well. But you don’t care. You try to blow it out of proportion and it will just backfire like all of the other negative campaigning Hawkins has done.
    The voters in the 9th want a conservative to represent them, not a RINO!

    ” Guess the better question is why is Tom Graves already sold out to Washington Special Interests groups that attack national leading conservatives like Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich and John McCain. Club for Growth does more damage to the party than good. ”

    Everytime you hawkins people open your mouths, you stick your foot in it! The more you blast Club For Growth for attacking Gingrich, McCain and Huckabee, the more you endear Tom to the tea party movement. Club for Growth is more in tune with the tea party movement than you will ever be.

    I would not vote for any of those you mentioned because of their fiscal records. Say it after me, the fiscal record matters, the fiscal record matters, the fiscal record matters….

    • GeorgiaConservative says:

      Debbie, when you stand up for Graves you stand against John Linder as well. You can’t have it both ways.

      And I could care less who you would vote for you quite frankly, you don’t even live in GA-9.

      You have stated numerous times that we have no grasp of the Tea Party movement, I take offense to that becuase I was there on day 1.

      Please, if you can shrink your ego.

      Heck, I’ll make you a deal, Debbie Dooley. Since you’ve turned many folks off to the Tea Party, and since I don’t know anything about it, I’ll just mind my own business and leave the Tea Party if you’ll mind your own business and stay out of the Ninth District and in Atlanta.

      I really think that you are doing much more harm than good. But don’t take my word for it, ask Phyllis Williams.

      • debbie0040 says:

        GC, I live in Gwinnett County. Atlanta Tea Party encompasses the metro Atlanta area, not just Atlanta. We have many activists in the Ninth District and my in-laws live in Cumming. You were there on Day 1? On the initial call to plan the first round of tea parties last year, there were three people from Georgia on the call and you were not one of them. We planned the first tea party on 2-27-2009 and I have been active since then.

        Hawkins people attack Club for Growth because they have criticized Gingrich, Huckabee and McCain. Tea Party actitivsts don’t like McCain and are working to defeat him in Arizona. Most activists have a unfavorable opinion of Gingrich and it is mixed with Huckabee. Huckabee had a terrible fiscal record in Arkansas. That shows that Hawkins does not understand the Tea Party movement.

  9. TBarilla says:

    I have more concern about the Republican Party and the Tea Party when there are well meaning, and obviously educated, people here on this site that don’t feel the issues about Tom Graves are such that he is not a viable candidate.

    1) He has gotten sued several times, whether settled or not, and that concerns me about his business practices or his business acumen. Either way it should be a red flag.

    2) The 2.25 million lawsuit filed against him and Chip Rogers is not just a magistrate court issue. This is serious money and the second count of fraud is a step further than a loan in default. The bank alleges he was insolvent at then time he guaranteed the loan and that he transferred property to a trust in an attempt to shield it from being taken by the bank. Again, what does this say about the man that so many here are following with blinders.

    3) Graves accuses John Linder of lying because Tom stretched the truth about participating in a Fair Tax tour. Linder says Tom went to one event and that he did not even know who he was. That is far from participating in the tour and I would think Linder knows if he had someone touring with him. Graves was busted and does not have the nuts to own up to it. He simply attacks Linder and calls him a liar.

    Then there are those that want to attack Hawkins because they are mad the information is out there. They may have forgotten that there are thousands that support Hawkins and feel people need to know about Graves’ character flaws. Even if you don;t agree with how it got out there it is the truth and cannot be ignored. Ranting about the source does nothing to eliminate the seriously poor business practices of Tom Graves.

    But we do know that they need to mad at somebody…should be Graves for misleading them and perhaps they are a little upset for getting suckered in by Graves so they lash out at Hawkins.

    If the Tea Party movement is hell bent on supporting Tom Graves then I am going to stop supporting the Tea Party. We don’t need another cult that follows it’s leader to the vat of kool-aide no matter what.

    We don’t need more lemmings, thank you very much.

  10. debbie0040 says:

    Then stop supporting it. If you think the tea party would ever under any circumstances support Hawkins, then you are quite mistakend. If Graves had not been in the race, the support would more than likely have gone to Tarvin. Hawkins is GOP Establishment. Tea Party activists don’t like GOP establishment and would support a third party candidate over an establishment candidate.

        • John Konop says:

          Joshua Morris,

          As I said in the past I do not like the tone of this race, but I will give you credit for being honest about both candidates having the same platform.

          • Locke and Load says:

            The tone of this race is indeed bad. I’m getting sick of the mudslinging. I can only hope that things are sorted out shortly. I feel sorry for the people of the Ninth District who are going to have to go through another election in July with another possible primary.

            This race has drug on far too long.

      • GeorgiaConservative says:

        Hey Debbie, quite an arrogant post there if you ask me. You seem like the dictator of the Tea Party… The DECIDER.

        Didn’t know you were the boss of all the Tea Parties in GA… that’s right you aren’t and maybe that’s why your the only Tea Party to endorse Tom Graves. I find it amusing that Tom Graves is the “Tea Party Candidate” but yet not a single Tea Party in the 9h Congressional District has endorsed him…

        • Locke and Load says:

          From what I understand, the TEA Parties throughout the 9th District operate independently. I’ve spoken to several members within the TEA Party and have come to the conclusion that it’s the biggest bunch of friendly fire I’ve ever seen. They have rendered themselves useless because they have no authority structure and cannot agree on issues (TEA Party Patriots, Tea Party Nation, Tea Party Express, and many others). Rather than focus on moving as a solid force behind a liberty movement, the Tea Parties have split into factions. I can only hope that they haven’t turned people off from the liberty movement.

          My prediction of their influence in the 9th? The Tea Party/Tarvin vote will use the new blow to Graves to mount one helluva challenge to Graves.

  11. debbie0040 says:

    Georgia Conservative, Atlanta Tea Party endorsed Tom and we had input from tea party activists in the 9th. You do realize that there are other tea parties in the 9th other than the ones you are aligned with right? Georgia conservative, I now know who you are….

  12. debbie0040 says:

    BM, I know. I am just glad that arrogant Kiffin is out of the SEC. I do like Florida except when they play Bama. I think Tebow is a great role model and hope he does well in the NFL. Coach Saban actually used Tebow to motivate Alabama players all last year. Saban lifted him up as a great competitor that the players needed to strive to be like..He never quits…

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