Georgia drops class size limits | The Augusta Chronicle

Boo-hoo

Jamie Dukes said he was sad to hear Monday that Georgia’s State Board of Education had agreed to waive its maximum classroom sizes for next school year.

“As always, it’s going to hurt the students,” said Dukes, a parent of two Glenn Hills Elementary School pupils and the school’s PTO president.

Where exactly is the evidence that dropping class size helps students? Yeah, it makes common sense and yes I know there are some studies that show it does, but not every study shows it. I suspect there is a lot more to it.

But why aren’t these school systems cutting sports first? Probably because that’s the one area of the public school system where kids actually are getting something out of the school day.

11 comments

  1. ChiefofStaff65 says:

    There is no study. In fact, in Mitt Romney’s new book, he has an entire section devoted to how smaller class sizes and more money per pupil was proved time and time again to be less effective then larger class sizes, less money per pupil and more money to the highest 1/3rd of teachers from colleges in the classroom.

    • ByteMe says:

      Just showing that here in Georgia, we do it our own unique way by not getting the best teachers and increasing class sizes. We’re special.

    • John Konop says:

      ChiefofStaff65,

      The studies are invalid, because of the push toward inclusion. With that said, I do think call size would be less of an issue if the schools did not force disruptive kids into the classroom and did not had kids with broad range of abilities in the same class.

      It is very difficult for a teacher to handle kids with cross range of abilities and behavior issues. Itfwe used the old method of ability grouping and separate tracks for non 4 year college bound kids instead of an one size fit all system it would be more effective and save money.

      And if administrators were forced to teach 1 class a day they would be all over fixing the problem.

  2. Quaker says:

    Why are we keeping expensive high school sports with those over paid coaches. I say cancel inter school athletics, return the coaches to teaching if they’re qualified, and use some of the savings for intramural sports every student can enjoy and benefit from.
    The next step would be to cancel the big athletic programs in colleges. If the NFL and NBA need a farm system, let them build one on their own.

    • ByteMe says:

      Because in the middle of Bugfork, GA the high school football game is pretty much the highlight of your weekend.

    • John Konop says:

      How about this list?

      1) Cut the DOE by at least 50%

      2) Cut all administrators salaries by 20% making over 6 figures.

      3) Cut all administrators by 20%

      4) Require all administrators to teach 1 class.

      5) Charge a fuel fee to make bus service revenue neutral

      6) Charge a fee for all extra activity at the school to make it revenue neutral

      7) Put a freeze all new building and see if we can use cross utilize existing space ie high school class space for colleges courses at night.

      8) Put a freeze on all travel and entertainment expense at the local level as well as the DOE

      9) Increase lunch fees at a rate that it becomes revenue neutral

      10) Solicit volunteer community help for office and class room assistants

      11) Look at any revenue generating ideas for facilities not in use

    • chefdavid says:

      We are on a coach hiring bonanza in Dade County. So go ahead and cut your sports program as we have hired two coaches teachers already this year. One local paper even reported they didn’t know what one was going to teach at the high school. I am glad they have the education of the minds of our children at heart. This was just after the sentence of possibly raising property tax 1/2 mill. We have our priorities straight up here.

  3. Lone Star Georgian says:

    I’m a teacher. Class sizes generally do not matter to me. Over 30 is too many students, but anything less is generally acceptable.

    As voters, we need to stop being so wishy washy about how involved we want schools to be in our kids’ lives. If you want teachers to police behavior, fine, but don’t hamstring us with hand-wringing over whether we’re hurting kids’ self-esteem or inconveniencing busy parents when we decide to hold them for detention. Let us deny them the right to disrupt class by removing them rather than making us tolerate their uncontrolled outbursts. Let us fail them when their work doesn’t meet standard.

    If you want schools to butt out, that’s also fine. Discipline your kids at home in a way that makes it clear: messing around at school in unacceptable.

    Call your BOE and tell them to stop coddling kids. Elect BOE members who aren’t afraid of discipline or terrified of lawsuits. Hire principals whose focus is not avoiding conflict at all costs.

    And John, I love the idea of making administrators teach classes. I’m going to suggest it at my next faculty meeting.

  4. jm says:

    1. Some good ideas there, John, some won’t work, esp. this one:
    5) Charge a fuel fee to make bus service revenue neutral
    Federal law says you can’t do this – FAPE – every child must be able to receive a FREE and appropriate EDUCATION. That includes transportation.

    2. Class sizes – I’m with teacher on that one. I’ve taught 30, its fine, more than 30 gets a bit nutty. When you start hitting 40, I end up with space issues, resource issues, breathing issues, and grading lab reports starts taking up more time than I have. Speaking of labs, while this is not about achievement, check out the NSTA’s website, National Science Teachers Association. They commissioned a study about lab safety and class sizes. When you go over 24 students in a class, incidents of lab accidents increase dramatically. They recommend that science teachers with over 24 students not teach labs. So class size does matter.

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