Freedomworks Straw Poll Results For Governor And Secretary Of State.

May 23, 2010 8:55 am

by Buzz Brockway · 210 comments

Governor

Handel – 82
Deal – 77
Johnson – 67
Oxendine – 52
Chapman – 7
McBerry – 1
Monds – 1
Putnam -1

Secretary of State

MacGinnitie – 126
Kemp – 82

Other results from last night are here.

ready2rumble May 23, 2010 at 9:25 am

Ox takes 4th place in his home county – ouch.

TheEiger May 23, 2010 at 11:13 am

Maybe it has something to do with the big headline in this weeks AJC. “Ethics commission seeks info in Oxendine probe” http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/ethics-commission-seeks-info-531618.html

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 9:59 pm

R2R,

A rough day for your candidate, indeed……

ReaganRepublican May 23, 2010 at 9:36 am

I was sitting behind a prominent AJC reporter. At the end of the debate I heard him tell someone that Deal clearly won. I think all that attended regardless of our sock puppet status can agree on that.

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 8:55 pm

Let me get this straight, Nathan Deal, formerly one of the most corrupt Members of Congress and someone who has made known racially insensitive epitaphs is starting some gossip bs against Karen Handel dealing with gay issues?

I suppose when you can’t defend your corruption and racism, you might as well drop to the lower level and just start throwing all kinds of crap at your chief opponent.

This is what it looks like when people with no integrity start going down the hard way – NO CLASS.

ReaganRepublican May 24, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Handel was the one that never went to class. That is why she could not get into college. But besides lying on her resumw, she also :
“On September 27, 2005, Handel received a contribution from Hamid Alaee. Four months later, Mr. Alaee’s company, Unique Design and Construction, received approval for a zoning modification from Handel and the Commission. Many other beneficiaries of Handel’s actions on the Fulton County Commission gave campaign contributions of up to $10,000, including Roberts Properties, Archer Western Contractors, Brown and Caldwell, Gresham Smith and Partners, John Controls, and others. In 2006, Handel received $10,000 from Fourth Quarter Properties, the real estate company involved in a notoriously shady land deal with Karen Handel’s old boss, Sonny Perdue.”

ReaganRepublican May 24, 2010 at 11:24 pm

resume, sorry…

DMZDave May 23, 2010 at 10:19 am

I was sitting behind a prominent Deal supporter and I heard her tell someone that she was going to make up a quote and attribute it to a prominent AJC reporter.

Doug Deal May 23, 2010 at 12:20 pm

I heard the same thing, and I wasn’t even there.

Tireless May 23, 2010 at 6:07 pm

I assumed the obvious.

ReaganRepublican May 23, 2010 at 10:30 am

Lol, well, maybe we can’t agree. But it was a true statement though..

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 10:41 am

Let’s just say that a sock puppet’s story about an unnamed reporter is not exactly something the average political observer will want to consider “truth”.

Henry Waxman May 23, 2010 at 11:29 pm

i.e., VOIDH

View from Brookhaven May 23, 2010 at 10:43 am

I read the chat transcript (Thanks, Buzz!) but that doesn’t really help gauge the mood of the crowd.

Did Johnson’s push on immigration play that well? Or was it something else?

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 10:48 am

Excerpts from today’s Savannah Morning News regarding Handel’s support of Gay-rights……

…’Log Cabin endorsed her for Fulton commission chairman.
In 2002, when she sought another Fulton County post, its newsletter said she “has been supportive of Georgia Log Cabin – now is our chance to come out and support her.”
Moreover, Log Cabin member Mike Horton also praised her in a 2003 Southern Voice column and said she’d been in Log Cabin for two years.’

…’But Ensley said gay-rights issues also figure in endorsements and that he believes Handel supported domestic-partner benefits.
Southern Voice cited praise by gay-rights activists for her stands on adoption and benefits. Background information in one article said she “often spoke in favor of gay rights issues during the campaign.”

Judge for yourselves. Here is the link………

http://savannahnow.com/column/2010-05-23/political-notebook-gay-rights-charges-nag-handel

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 10:56 am

Judge for yourselves

Yep, I judge you to have a mental problem with people who like those of the same gender. I’ve heard it’s treatable. :lol:

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 11:42 am

Well, it’s be one thing if we are talking about the actual gay issue here. You will note that Dan McLagan isn’t even addressing the position itself. He is just denying the position Karen Handel ever took on the matter.

That is the sign of a liar to deny that one ever had the position to start with.

Red Phillips May 23, 2010 at 2:21 pm

“I’ve heard it’s treatable.”

Yes. It’s called repentance and salvation. :-)

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 3:23 pm

LOL!!! Then check your clothes, Red, to make sure you’re not wearing any blends. And remember to stone your woman to death if she doesn’t act the way you want.

The literalists in the room crack me up.

Red Phillips May 23, 2010 at 9:23 pm

There are New Testament condemnations of homosexuality as well. Would you argue that the Biblical injunction against fornication and adultery are no longer valid also? Christians have long understood and made a distinction between the moral law that is still applicable to all today and ceremonial and judicial laws that were specific for ancient Israel. Are you that unaware of the Christian tradition?

David Staples May 24, 2010 at 8:10 am

“Are you that unaware of the Christian tradition?”

I’m fully aware of it. If your god says something is immoral, outlaw it. If people disobey, beat them into submission through wars, prison, or any other means necessary. Did I get that about right? :-)

Red Phillips May 24, 2010 at 12:42 pm

Well my “god” is the God whether you recognize Him or not. Hopefully some day you will.

Doug Deal May 24, 2010 at 6:28 pm

I don’t know what supposed “God” you claim to worship, Red, but it is definitely not Christian. Perhaps you confused the words Taliban and Christian. Afterall, they’re both words, and so I can understand your confusion.

Red Phillips May 24, 2010 at 9:09 pm

Doug, what are you talking about? The Christian God of the Bible is a liberal?

You let your blind hate for me cloud your judgment. I have written nothing on here that would give you reason to question the sincerity of my Christianity.

Mozart May 24, 2010 at 11:27 pm

Actually, Red…kinda, yeah. But, “liberal” in the sense of going in a different direction from the religious beliefs of the day.

Would you not agree that Jesus re-shaped people’s perceptions on how to have a relationship with God, away from the hard-core “Do this or you will be punished!” type of belief system to “Hey, there’s another way to have a relationship with God…just follow me…”?

Red Phillips May 25, 2010 at 8:27 am

Mozart, I understand what you are getting at. There is a sense in which Jesus “liberalized” Judaism, although liberal and conservative as we understand those terms don’t have too much meaning prior to a few hundred years ago.

But there is nothing in the Bible, New Testament or Old, that suggests Christians should be happy with “tolerant” social policies, and much to suggest otherwise. Jesus did not come to do away with the concept of sin. In fact, He raised the bar, such that lust equals adultery and hate equals murder. This just emphasizes fallen man’s need for His forgiveness.

Doug Deal May 25, 2010 at 10:08 am

Red, I don’t hate you, I don’t hate anyone. In fact, that is kinda what Christianity is about.

Matthew 22:36-40

36″Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37Jesus replied: ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I apologize to others for quoting from the Bible on a political forum, but this is why you are not a Christian Red. You are too busy scouring the Bible for reasons to judge and hate others instead of “loving your neighbor”. Gays, blacks, Jews, “Yankees”, “fer’ner”, “lib’rals”, and even Catholics, which you League of the South people love to hate are neighbors too.

You want to use religion as a weapon, and in that sense you are no better than a Taliban member.

However, if you changed your behavior tomorrow and stopped subscribing to hate groups, I would have issue with you.

Red Phillips May 25, 2010 at 1:40 pm

Doug, I was saved at 10 in Vacation Bible School, was baptized thereafter and have faithfully attended church since. I believe the historic creeds of the faith to be true. I am a member in good standing of Mikado Baptist Church. Perhaps if you don’t think I am a Christian you should inform the Pastor and the Deacons because I am sure they would like to know they have an imposter in their midst.

After you have done so, then perhaps you can look back at my multiple comments on this blog or elsewhere on the internet and find me a single example of anything I have ever written that can be classified as hate.

I have used the Bible to justify “hating” blacks? That is absurd. Perhaps you could look the hardest to find something to back up that charge. I don’t hate gay people, but I do think homosexuality is a sin and gay people need to repent. Do you deny that the Bible, the Word of God, explicitly condemns homosexuality?

The League of the South is an explicitly Christian organization. The LoS affirms that Southern society was a predominately Protestant Christian society. This is a FACT of history. But there are many Catholics in the LoS. In fact many of the Catholics in the LoS that I know are traditionalist Latin Mass Catholics. I don’t “hate” Catholics either, but as a Protestant I think they get soteriology very wrong.

Whatever it is you are blinded by, you have lost the ability to think for yourself. You see that the agenda driven PC thought policers at the SPLC labeled the League of the South a hate group, so you can’t independently evaluate what they actually stand for. All you see in non-existent white hoods.

I continue to deal with you with reason and patience. You continue to call me names and make baseless accusations.

Doug Deal May 25, 2010 at 10:29 pm

Then I leave you with your belief that LoS and your perverted leader Ray McBerry are A-OK. It reminds me of that song “Revolution” by the Beatles (they are fer’ners, so I understand if they are on your banned list) that goes something like this…

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman MaoRay McBerry
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhowno matter how hairy.

I apologize to Paul, Ringo, and George, but not to John, as he was a jerk.

Red Phillips May 25, 2010 at 11:10 pm

Doug, you make a scurrilous allegation, for example that I have something against Catholics (other than the theological issues all Protestants have with Catholicism) because I belong to the League of the South. I point out that there are a lot of Catholics in the League and even in the leadership, many of whom are very traditionalist Latin Mass Catholics. The appropriate response from you would then be to apologize. But of course you don’t, because you are incapable of rationality on this issue.

And the allegations against Ray have nothing to do with what the League stands for, although you love that there has been a scandal because it relieves you of the heavy burden of actually making an argument. You just throw out pervert and think you are done with it.

Doug Deal May 26, 2010 at 12:16 am

Red, you know as well as I do how you south will rise again types treat the list of people I mentioned.

Beyond the two commandments I listed earlier, there are still 10 more of which in at least one, lying is clearly frowned upon.

Mozart May 26, 2010 at 12:19 am

Unbelievable, Doug. Simply unbelievable.

You write that (and I must quote you here):

I apologize to Paul, Ringo, and George, but not to John, as he was a jerk.

Yeah. He was a “jerk.” He was also the co-author of the song from which you comically change the lyric to make your point to Red. And, he was the lead singer of the song too.

So you would not be quoting that song if it had not been for John Lennon. And, you would not know about that song had it not been for Lennon’s work and voice on that song.

But, you go on, Doug….go be mad at John Lennon for being a (sniff!) “jerk.” That’s showing him.

I’m certain you’ve just given John Lennon a reason to laugh his a– off, whether you believe he is in Heaven or Hell. I know I’m laughing…a lot. :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_(song)

Red Phillips May 26, 2010 at 8:58 am

Doug, you said I use the Bible to justify “hate” against blacks among others? Perhaps you would like to look back through my comments and back that statement up. Otherwise you should stand in line behind Ick to apologize to me. Ick still owes me an apology for insinuating I was wrong about naturalization law, when I wasn’t.

ReaganRepublican May 23, 2010 at 9:20 pm

You are missing the point. Karen has repeatedly said that she was never for any gay issues. Well, that is a lie. The one consistent thing about Handel is that she is a pathological liar. Her whole career is built on lies. Nothing built on lies will stand.

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 1:37 am

What are we, in 5th grade here?

Seriously. Grow up.

Mayonnaise May 24, 2010 at 8:27 am

Yes, Karen Walker has quite the background.

TheEiger May 23, 2010 at 11:07 am

The same article also say this.

Although newspaper accounts say she was a member, current president Jamie Hensley said he’s not seen her name on membership lists.

McLagan cites her support for Georgia’s 2004 voter-approved ban on gay marriages.

“Unlike Deal,” he said, “she is a lifelong conservative Republican.”

Deal was a Democrat until 1995.

McLagan said Deal, who relied heavily on Southern Voice, a defunct gay newspaper, should ditch “gay tabloids” and “get some real news sources.”

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 11:45 am

Here’s the original article via a link sent out by the Political Vine last night to TWO articles on Karen’s 2003 Fulton County Commission Race:

Article 1: http://www.politicalvine.com/karenhandel/2003SOVO-1.pdf

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 11:48 am

Article 2 from “defunct gay newspaper”…though, nothing’s to say any of this is false…Dan’s just playing the red herring game:

http://www.politicalvine.com/karenhandel/2003SOVO-2.pdf

Is Karen Handel so dumb as to deny any of this in the article was TRUE? Things like: “Handel is a member of Log Cabin Republicans and attends numerous gay events, including
Atlanta Pride in June and a Human Rights Campaign barbecue in August.”

I’m sure she’ll come out and lie, or send out her puppet Danny-Boy.

ready2rumble May 23, 2010 at 12:05 pm

Another quote from the article.

“But the board found that she didn’t understand gay issues, according to Whitelaw. “She’s a very pleasant lady, and we were happy to have her there, but it’s clear she doesn’t have a
clue as to what it is like to be a gay person in Fulton County,” Whitelaw said.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 12:16 pm

R2R,

The article points out that Whitelaw was head of the Democrat gay group. Marc Yeager was in charge of the Log Cabin Republicans.

Perhaps it was more clear to the Democrats that Karen Handel was, perhaps, pandering all the way back then just to get their vote for Fulton County Chair. Or, maybe that she wasn’t interested in the gay Dems’ issues. Maybe gay Dem issues are different from gay Republican issues.

The point still is that she once held these positions in order to obtain support. If they were not her true positions, then that is “political pandering”, is it not? An oft-used phrase to describe the Ox, as I recall from reading the history of Peach Pundit.

One other thing the Political Vine pointed out is the “consistency of character.” Neither Karen Handel nor the Ox appear to be able to demonstrate that.

hannah May 24, 2010 at 7:13 am

The underlying presumption here is that it is right and proper for public officials and those aspiring to hold public office to make judgments and hold positions on the personal behavior of other people. That’s the presumption I would challenge. Public officials are tasked with carrying out specific duties, none of which involve directing the behavior of the people they are supposed to serve.
At a minimum, public servants should know their place. Competency can be acquired on the job, if new hires come equipped with basic skills.

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 12:18 pm

A group known to only support Democrats. Yea, the articles state that, too…..

Henry Waxman May 23, 2010 at 11:34 pm

Since we’re cutting an pasting excerpts from the article in this discussion, I’ll just go with the following partial quote about Handel:

“it’s clear she doesn’t have a clue.”

Cool Hand Luke May 24, 2010 at 8:35 pm

I’d say that just about covers the fly-bys…

Ambernappe May 23, 2010 at 12:44 pm

Unfortunately, this is a deficiency of the the practice of having a spokesman deliver pronouncements on very important issues. Everyone is entitled to change his/her opinion when enlightened with new information, or even to re-consider previously held positions for purely personal reasons. I am unconvinced that Karen Handel is any kind of fiscal or social liberal.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 4:21 pm

I’m not convinced she has ANY principles, Amber. And that is worse as far as I’m concerned. A person with no principles has no backbone and can be manipulated into agreeing to do anything.

ReaganRepublican May 23, 2010 at 9:24 pm

I will take a Democrat over a RINO. At least I know what I am getting with a Democrat. RINOS are trying to destroy Conservatives and this country from a stealth position inside the Republican party. Way worse than any Democrat.

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 1:41 am

Okay, ReaganRepublican, I have to just call you out on your blind loyalty and devotion to Nathan Deal right here and now.

We’re talking about a man who essentially became rich thanks to a no-bid contract through the state thanks to his “public service”. Had he not resigned from Congress, he would have had a full scale investigation launched against him that would have resulted in censorship by the House or even a criminal referal to the Justice Department.

Loyalty to a politician is great, but try picking one that isn’t so ethically challenged?

SFrazier May 24, 2010 at 10:24 am

Oh yeah, because Nathan Deal controls the whole schedule in congress and he told Mrs. Pelosi to end the debate hours before. Are you crazy, are you insane? I have read a lot of dumb things on the PP, but this one ranks up there.

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 12:42 pm

Alright, you too SFrazier… Another turnip must have falled off the truck somewhere and you seemed to have lost your marbles on this one…

I’m glad that you support corrupt politicians with ethical problems who get rich off of public service! With good Republicans like you out there, it should help make it much easier for people with common sense and good strong conservative convictions take over and lead Georgia forward and clean out the waste, fraud, abuse, and yes, further corruption that exists…

Lady Thinker May 24, 2010 at 10:36 am

Wow, you are going to get stung. The Deal camp has blinders on when it comes to their candidate. He does absolutely nothing wrong, it is the other candidates, mainly Karen according to them, who are the corrupt, evil ones.

KariDee May 24, 2010 at 3:01 pm

No, we don’t like Ox either.

one n done May 24, 2010 at 10:08 am

I hear this dumb “he used to be a democrat before he switched” argument all the time. Republicans on this site want people to agree with there conservative principles and see how liberal ideals are wrong, but once they see the light and become republicans they are chastised for switching. Lets not forget which party Reagan was in, and actually worked presidential elections for before he became a conservative.
You are allowed to change your ideals, unless you are a politician…in that case you must not have a change of heart and must stay with the party you started with no matter what

ByteMe May 24, 2010 at 10:56 am

At least until you win the primary. Then you walk on water with the Party faithful, regardless of which candidate they backed.

benevolus May 24, 2010 at 1:01 pm

Mike Jacobs gets a pass on that for some reason.

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 11:22 am

This from The Augusta Chronicle, August 5, 2006. The article is about the SoS race.

‘Mr. Stephens has homed in on a questionnaire for the gay-rights group Georgia Equality. The document, filled out in Ms. Handel’s name, says the then-candidate for the chairmanship of the Fulton County Commission supported benefits for gay couples employed by the county.

Ms. Handel has disavowed the questionnaire, though Georgia Equality has confirmed it matches answers in the group’s files.

“I don’t know where my opponent got this questionnaire from. … I have never supported domestic-partner benefits,” she said.

Ms. Handel’s campaign has questioned Mr. Stephens’ Republican credentials, noting that he popped up at the 1992 Democratic National Convention that nominated Bill Clinton. “I am a lifelong conservative Republican,” she said at a debate. “My opponent is not.”

I have a feeling the Handel Camp is going to need to come up with a better response than “I am a lifelong conservative Republican, my opponent is not”……. The dots just don’t connect the way they want them to.

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm

Just in case you can’t open Mozart’s links, or just choose not to…..here are a few excerpts for you….

….Handel continues to work closely with Georgia Log Cabin Republicans, which endorsed her, said Marc Yeager, the group’s president. “We remain having a great relationship with Karen,” Yeager said. “She’s definitely on board with Log Cabin and a lot of our issues. She’s been visible and active in the gay community with her campaigning and has made herself known.”

Handel is a member of Log Cabin Republicans and attends numerous gay events, including Atlanta Pride in June and a Human Rights Campaign barbecue in August.

“I don’t think, perhaps as a party, [Republicans] have been as open-minded about things as we should have,” Handel said Monday. “Even though I’m a Republican, I don’t agree 100 percent with the things in the platform.”

…..Thanks Mozart!

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 9:16 pm

For those Handel supporters who have drank the Cool-Aid and those who just want to see where most of the Anti-Handel people are coming from, I submit this link to a well-written piece for your perusal……

And if you just don’t want to read it, well, I have included the conclusionary paragraphs for you….

…”It would have been better (“better” as in a demonstration of integrity) if she had come to some conclusion to reverse her previous opinions that they were wrong. But, no. Instead, she denied the positions she had had ever existed, and her peeps accused the reporter (Ryan Lee) of lying or fabricating information.

The flip in 2006 for the purposes of being elected to SOS proves that she does not have enough integrity to fill the governor’s position for the next 4 years. For, what ELSE will she sell-out to in order to quench her thirst for a political position? Where will she draw the line? And, how can you really predict that line? You cannot. No one can. And therein is the danger of electing a political opportunist to the position of governor. Or, even president. Or, any elected position.”

http://politicalvine.com/politicalrumors/georgia-races/karen-handel-the-definition-of-a-political-opportunist/

Icarus May 23, 2010 at 10:31 pm

The man that sells trinkets for a few cents in exchange for endorsements/postive blog comments now wants to define political opportunism for the rest of us?

Even for here, that’s rich.

Henry Waxman May 23, 2010 at 11:49 pm

So, Icarus, are you saying that you are no longer the president of the Bill Simon Fan Club?

Mozart May 24, 2010 at 12:02 am

Right. You cannot defend your candidate’s positions, so you attack the messenger. Nice job. (seal clap)

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 1:48 am

Let’s just make up some stuff ad throw it out there, rehash it with more gossip year after year, get some idiot to rehash it on his retread website and then bring it out when there is nothing else to say?

That’s what’s happening here.

The ethically challenged campaign of Nathan Deal is circling the drain with the gay rumor campaign against Karen Handel. When you can’t attack her for reality, just repeat some old gossip and lies!

Keep your chin up Karen!

hannah May 24, 2010 at 7:21 am

Presumably, “political” as used here refers to “power”– i.e. control over other people — rather than the interests of the polis. This would be consistent with the Republican inability to conceive of “government BY the people.”

David Staples May 24, 2010 at 8:14 am

“I don’t think, perhaps as a party, [Republicans] have been as open-minded about things as we should have,” Handel said Monday. “Even though I’m a Republican, I don’t agree 100 percent with the things in the platform.”

Good for her! Maybe at some point, more Republicans will realize that forcing your morals on others and the concept of a limited government are conflicting ideals.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 1:05 pm

OK, people in politics do things out of expediency. Karen Handel managed to put together a coalition to get elected to the highest office of one of the two most liberal counties in Georgia. I’m shocked. No Republican in Fulton has managed to get elected county commission chairman before or since.

We can all agree that “domestic partnerships” don’t generally last very long, and the “partners” sometimes develop major medical issues related to the lifestyle. Further, many of us Judeo-Christian, and yes Muslim, people consider the whole lifestyle ungodly and downright disgusting. Marital benefits earned on a job should thus be limited to husbands (men) and wives (women), not log cabin buddies. Karen herself probably agrees with this.

I for one haven’t gone after certain other Republican candidates’ spotty records (nobody’s perfect). I’d counsel you it may not be a good idea to do so with Karen either. In a few weeks we have to regroup to fight a greater adversary.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 1:07 pm

Correction: Mike Kenn was a Republican as I recall, but was a special case.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 4:23 pm

“We can all agree that “domestic partnerships” don’t generally last very long, ”

55% of legal marriages end in divorce. What is your obtuse point to make now, Harry???

Lady Thinker May 23, 2010 at 8:18 pm

Harry,

I find it interesting that the negative posts against Karen are from some of the people who have stated they are supporting Deal. I haven’t seen negative posts from people claiming to support Johnson, Oxendine, or Chapman. One other poster that doesn’t like Karen says she supports Putnam.

McBerry just isn’t worth mentioning and several people told me last night that the fact Karen stood up against him caused them to decide to support her. I guess men and women look at pedophiles and suspected pedophiles differently.

As Karen’s popularity lunges forward, the attacks on her are increasing at the same rate, mostly by the Deal camp. They can’t attack her on anything substantial, so they come up with anything they think will tarnish her reputation. And they call this Christian behavior. More like Jim Jones Christian behavior.

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 8:46 pm

Lady Thinker I believe I am going to start referring to you as “Forgetful Thinker”.

How many times have I told you that I don’t have a horse in this race, yet?????

And once again, like me, you better find someone else to support besides Handel because she is not going to make it past July 20th.

David Staples May 24, 2010 at 8:16 am

LT – I think the Oxendine people got tired of being bashed or are actually following Ox’s orders to avoid Peach Pundit altogether. :-)

Cool Hand Luke May 24, 2010 at 8:41 pm

Did Ox really say that?

Lady Thinker May 24, 2010 at 11:29 pm

Too bad the Deal camp isn’t getting tired of their redundant posting of innuendos, half-truths, and outright misrepresentation of facts that nobody believes. I really think they are a religous cult like the Jim Jones group. I have not seen them attack relevant things like Karen’s stance on issues.

Doug Grammer May 25, 2010 at 1:26 am

Let’s clarify a bit. Four to seven posters on PP does NOT make up the entire Deal camp. I grow bored of posters who complain that their candidate is attacked and then lay into another candidate or another candidates supporters. It’s not like candidates or their paid staff are on here, as far as I know. There are plenty of supporters from most of the camps on here, but (for the most part) what they post DOES NOT mean it’s the policy or message of that candidate or campaign.

I can find something good to say about every candidate mentioned on here, and I can just as easily find something bad and deserved about every candidate mentioned on here. OK, some are easier than others, but what I really don’t care for is making wild wacky stuff up when there are real issues that are out there. Every campaign at some point in time will trip. It’s how they recover or try to recover that’s important.

I would be happy to support most of the GOP candidates, even some that are attacked (even fairly) occasionally. I’m not going to get pinned down on who I do or don’t support, so don’t bother to try. My message/question is this: Why are some of you making goofy stuff up that’s not really there? Can’t you just focus on “this is why I support candidate X,” and not mention anyone else? Do you really think you are doing your candidate a favor by attacking others whose support you will (may) need later on?

B Balz May 25, 2010 at 8:20 am

You must have read, Dale Carnegie’s book recently, this is one of the best posts you have ever written.

Anyone reading PP for the first time, using this thread as an example, would be a one-time reader.
There are a lot of passionate and smart folks that contribute to PP, but this thread doesn’t highlight any of that.

I am sure, though, that PP has picked up a solid new readership constituency in Camp Barnes. So as we continue to eviscerate our primary field with comments ranging from the inane to the absurd, we all ought to realize that any and all of this is chatter may end up in an ad in November.

Psssst., d’ja hear the one about ……

Lady Thinker May 25, 2010 at 9:01 am

Well Doug, if your comment is directed at me, let me tell you again. I do not want, care, crave, or desire your approval. So back off jerk!

Doug Grammer May 25, 2010 at 11:50 am

Lady,

If I am going to address something just for one person, I usually put the name first. My comment was not just for , you but it applies to you. I am not telling anyone to do anything.

All I am going to say is don’t blame me if you don’t like what you see when you look in the mirror. I am of course describing your (and others) posts and not literal appearance. When you cease to attack others you might feel better about yourself and your candidate. You may need their help. Calling me a jerk doesn’t make me any less right.

Mayonnaise May 25, 2010 at 12:27 pm

Typical of a Hillary Handel supporter. :)

Doug Grammer May 25, 2010 at 12:51 pm

Mayo,

That goes for you too.

Mozart May 26, 2010 at 9:32 am

Yeah, the ‘Hillary Handel’ crap has gotten old pretty fast, Mayo.

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 1:17 pm

Before folks start calling me a gay basher, allow me to state the reason I have posted these articles and excerpts.

I am not gay bashing. My point here is to show that Karen Handel is a political opportunist and will do and say anything to get elected. She panders to one side of an issue to get their support, then years later she panders the other way to get the other side’s support.

She has a history of talking out of both sides of her mouth. This shows that she has a lack of character and integrity. Take a stand and stick with it. Show your convictions.

We need a Governor who will stand firm for Georgia. We need a Governor who is willing to take the heat for an issue he/she believes in.

We don’t need Charles Durning’s portrayal of the Governor in the “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas”.

I have an idea. Instead of “Bring it On”, why not “Tell the Truth”????

Instead of skirting around all the issues of did she finish high school or was it a GED, did she graduate college, does she support domestic partner issues, what was her involvement in the SoS website fiasco…….Handel should stop insulting the electorate and tell us who she really is.

We don’t need nor can we afford a Governor who we can’t trust.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 1:41 pm

Those are minor issues. We all wish we could do certain things differently.

Carpet Capital May 23, 2010 at 1:55 pm

These may be minor issues by themselves but this common recurrence of pandering to both sides is troubling. Instead of attacking her opponents and claiming to be a lifelong conservative Republican she should try to truthfully explain these issues.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 2:04 pm

I could say the same thing to a few of the others on our side as well. There are quite a few issues involving relationships with special interests, campaign contributions from special interests, legislation supported on behalf of special interests, looking the other way, etc. However, I want us to win in November, therefore I’m not going down that road. I will instead direct my fire on King Roy, who is the big daddy of good ole boy politics in Georgia.

ConcernedGeorgian May 23, 2010 at 3:12 pm

“However, I want us to win in November, therefore I’m not going down that road.”

Is winning in November more important than screening our candidates and making sure that we present to the general electorate the best of the best? I say “NO.” As republicans, we deserve to know the answers to Karen’s questionable past. I just wish she would address the issues.
1. Karen, did you graduate from high school? If so, produce your diploma and put questions to rest.
2. Karen, did you go to college? If so, produce your transcript.
3. Karen, did you court the gay vote in your race for Fulton County Chairman? If so, tell us why.

It’s not that hard. Just tell the truth and be transparent.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 3:43 pm

Where’s your list for the others?

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 3:44 pm

Oh, Harry, you’re not being fair to the unfair.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 8:12 pm

Well, to be fair, the others have a degree by de facto data:

Ox and Deal are both attorneys…and in order to be a lawyer, one had to complete at least one undergraduate degree.

Johnson is a registered architect, and in order to obtain that designation, one would have had to graduate from an accredited university.

I don’t know what Mr. Chapman has as his occupation. But Ox, Deal, and Johnson have, at minimum, an undergraduate degree because they have their current professional standings.

SO, again, now let’s return to the issue of Karen Handel, Harry.

Lady Thinker May 23, 2010 at 8:21 pm

They are not interested in seeing these things from the others.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 9:11 pm

Because the others HAVE these things or they wouldn’t have been engaged in occupations like law (Deal and Ox) or architectural design (Johnson).

Both of these occupations require undergraduate degrees to obtain licensed standings.

But, I understand…those of you who do not have a college degree would have no idea of the qualifications to obtain such designations.

Lady Thinker May 24, 2010 at 12:42 am

I have four, do you have any?

Mozart May 24, 2010 at 9:16 am

At least one. But, again, you demanded to know why no one was asking about the other candidates’ degrees and I provided the answer. Surely a 4-degreed person would have been able to figure out the answer without asking, and yet, you asked. Hmmm….

David Staples May 24, 2010 at 8:19 am

“But, I understand…those of you who do not have a college degree would have no idea of the qualifications to obtain such designations.”

Kind of rude, don’t you think? I have no degree, but I certainly understand the requirements of certain occupations. You don’t get to be a doctor (with the exception of Doctor Love – who was that, Gene Simmons?) without the degree. Nor a lawyer, architect, engineer, etc. But of course you probably think most people who don’t have a degree can’t carry on an intelligent conversation either, right?

Mozart May 24, 2010 at 9:18 am

Easy, David. Don’t be so sensitive about things. The question was asked as to why no one was asking for proof of a college degree or high school diploma of the other male candidates, and I provided the answer. If the worst thing about my day is that you call me rude, I’m still a happy camper.

Doug Grammer May 25, 2010 at 7:11 pm

Gene Simmons went to college and was a New York school teacher. He probably has a degree.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 3:54 pm

Ummm, really, Harry? A “minor issue” is a candidate who would rather lie about a previous position they took than admit they once either held the position, or they faked the position for political expediency?

Yeah…it’s always the cover-up that is is the problem. And if either men or women are dumb enough to ignore the record of lying by Handel and accept that as “okay,” then I’m really curious to see what kind of “family values” they teach their own kids?

My kids are taught these basic values of honesty. Why aren’t candidates for higher office like Karen held to the same standard?

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 3:58 pm

And why single her out for the special “we don’t believe her answers, so she’s not honest” treatment? The menfolk making hay in the race are just as bad.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 4:32 pm

“Just as bad.” Some of the men are, but not all.

Nice try, Byte. I see you are really in touch with your feminine side of the hysterical painting of everyone with a brush. Hope that gets you some special attention from your pals over at Code Pink. :-)

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 4:39 pm

You really need a reading comprehension class, Moz. I was very clear to paint only “the menfolk making hay in the race”. As I pointed out elsewhere, that only includes the ethically challenged Deal/Ox/Johnson.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 5:35 pm

The preponderance of evidence regarding Johnson is that he has chair of a committee comprised of both Dems and Republicans. They received a complaint that stated “Everyone knows this guy is having an affair.”

NOW, if Johnson 1) Had 100% control over the committee’s decisions (I”m not saying he does because he didn’t as the chair of a committee is the one who handles the meeting and does not tell people how they must vote), AND decided to pursue an investigation, tell me, Brilliant Byte, under the legal definition of due process, WHO should they have subpoened for proof of Bobby’s allegation?

Whose testimony should they have obtained? No eyewitnesses other than “everyone knows” were listed in his complaint. Yeah, that’s how the Rule of Law works in this country, right? Accuse anyone of anything without any proof or affidavits, and just prosecute, right?

I am certain your boy Barack is trying to drive this country in that direction right now, but we ain’t there yet. Keep working at it, though, Byte.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 7:52 pm

Who says I was talking about that and not about his pushing of Jekyll Island into the hands of his big contributors. Or maybe I was talking about his inability to go ahead and ask more questions concerning the short-skirted women who were hanging around Richardson in the hallway of the Capitol. Hard to be sure.

At least I’m not stupid enough to refer to the President as “boy”.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 8:07 pm

Thought that would get you riled up, Byte. :-)

Mayonnaise May 23, 2010 at 8:12 pm

Good job on the race card. Maybe it’ll work with your folks but not in our primary.

dj May 25, 2010 at 7:17 pm

Let’s Linger Longer on this issue!

dj May 25, 2010 at 7:19 pm

DJ “spin zone”…
Cranberry’s – Linger (LOL)

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 4:25 pm

Telling the truth is a “minor issue” to Harry, but giving people the right to vote on whether they want their municipality to sell packaged alcohol on Sunday is a “major issue” to Harry.

Harry…you seriously have your “family values” screwed-up. Seriously….really…

Harry May 23, 2010 at 9:14 pm

I agree not telling the truth would be a major issue, but where exactly did KH not tell the truth?

Mozart May 25, 2010 at 11:18 pm

KH has repeatedly denied that she ever stated she supported domestic partnership benefits and gay adoptions. The record shows clearly that she did state that she supported those things.

And, since I KNOW you’re going to demand to see the proof, here’s a link to one of the archived stories from Southern Voice back in 2003:

http://www.politicalvine.com/karenhandel/2003SOVO-1.pdf

She sucked-up to the “gay vote” in order to get elected as Fulton County Chair. That is a fact. And then she denied ever taking those positions 2 years later in her run for Secretary of State.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 3:29 pm

Ok, you all have convinced me that there’s no way I would vote for any of the Republicans on the ballot. Austin Scott was coming closest, but he bailed for higher ground.

Deal – ethically challenged when it comes to his business
Ox – ethically challenged when it comes to himself
Johnson – ethically challenged when it comes to his friends and political buddies
Handel – flexible beliefs are not an asset as far as Republicans are concerned
Chapman – visibility challenged
McBerry – Nuts™

Reasonable people would be nuts to vote for any of them.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 3:36 pm

But you’ll vote for Barnes.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 3:37 pm

But you’ll vote for Barnes…?

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 3:43 pm

I’ll vote for whoever’s left after the hazing all the candidates are getting.

Harry May 23, 2010 at 3:56 pm

You’ll vote for a Democrat lawyer who’s running a media campaign that’s heavily funded by lobbyists.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 4:00 pm

As opposed to any in the above list? We’ll see.

benevolus May 23, 2010 at 6:26 pm

What lobbyists?

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 3:49 pm

Why would “reasonable people” be “nuts” to vote for Chapman, Byte? Because of “low ID name?” Yeahhh…that’s certainly a “nutty” reason.

Pretty shallow reasoning…especially from you, Byte. Has your brain been snatched by aliens lately?

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 3:57 pm

Because if you can run as a candidate for this long and make an impression on so few people, that says that you lack the leadership qualities that you need to be governor. Wallflowers need not apply for the highest office in the state.

That deep enough for you?

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 3:58 pm

Neither should “community organizers” as we can see what happens when you follow someone who just talks about “hope”
and “change” over and over again.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 4:03 pm

Obama’s doing exactly as I expected and wanted, especially when compared to the one-two punch of McCain and Palin. Perhaps you need to get your brain recalibrated concerning the constitutional law professor occupying the White House.

Congress on the other hand, isn’t doing what I want, but that’s the nature of herding cats.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 4:29 pm

Byte, refresh my feeble memory, but I believe Obama has the power of the VETO PEN. And, yet, he hasn’t exercised it on what the catty Congress has given him.

You, Sir, cannot weasel your way out of this. Professor of Law is just as intent on destroying this country as Nancy and Harry. If that is what you expected him to do, then at least admit it. Have the courage to be an honest liberal.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 4:43 pm

And that’s why you’re not ever going to be a good a politician, Moz. You don’t grasp that you get what you can get now to move the ball in the direction you want to move the ball and you never give up the “good” to get the “perfect” because “perfect” doesn’t exist anyway.

You can vilify the Dems all you want, but they’re moving the ball in the general direction I want it moved, so I’m fine getting what I can get and knowing that there will be other battles on other days and I might get more of what I want then.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 5:29 pm

And, again, you dodge the issue and instead re-deploy ammo. Be honest. For just once.

Here, take these steps:

1) Breathe in, breathe out 5 times, taking deep breaths of air.
2) Write post like this: “Okay, Mozart, you got me. I like the way the country is headed and I hope Nancy and Harry keep passing this stuff and Barrack keeps signing this stuff”.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 7:53 pm

I dodged nothing. You have a reading comprehension issue.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 7:59 pm

And, you have a reality comprehension issue.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 8:02 pm

:roll:

Ludwig Von Beachbum May 23, 2010 at 5:11 pm

Nuts would be paying attention to what you wrote. You basically turned the race into a popularity contest based on your perceptions. If that’s what you are looking for, fine. But don’t think others are as challenged and unaware. You knocked a guy down on your perception of “visibility” and wouldn’t vote for him and his record is all over the Internet ? Huummm

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 5:22 pm

You mean the race — from my perspective — somehow isn’t a contest based on my perception of the candidates?? How interesting. I wonder how other voters decide who to vote for. They use someone else’s perception, perhaps? How nuts and shallow would that be?

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 7:57 pm

No, they flip a coin, Byte.

ReaganRepublican May 23, 2010 at 9:30 pm

Please Byte, you are entrenched in the Handel camp and will not fool me.

ByteMe May 24, 2010 at 6:11 am

I don’t need to fool you. You do that to yourself all by yourself. No assistance on my part is needed.

SouthGAConservative May 24, 2010 at 1:34 am

I am not really familiar with the Linger Longer issue that keeps cropping up, so I did some googling, thought this one was interesting:
http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/latest/lat_702816.shtml

I think if nothing else it proves some interesting stuff and that in the end, it’s all business.

I also read somewhere else that Jekyll was apparently tanking and this redevelopment project was supposed to revitalize the island, not just to do development so we’re talking jobs, revenue for the area, and tax benefits for the state eventually.

ByteMe May 24, 2010 at 6:13 am

I don’t think it was Jekyll that was tanking, but Sea Island did tank because the owners took on too much debt trying to upgrade the facilities.

GeorgiaDawg May 23, 2010 at 3:31 pm

Go Karen Handel! Keep doing what you are doing, it’s working.

Henry Waxman May 23, 2010 at 11:56 pm

Except for that four-point drop in the IA poll in the last month…

Will Harrison May 26, 2010 at 12:41 am

I’m assuming that GeorgiaDawg is rooting for Karen Handel to keep sliding in the polls….

ready2rumble May 23, 2010 at 6:10 pm

I looked through all of the “info” that has been provided. I didn’t see anything anywhere that Handel every voted for Domestic Partner Benefits, or Gay Marriage.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 7:46 pm

R2R,

And that’s never been a claim. The claim, which is backed-up by the article, is that she supported Domestic partner benefits. If the issue never came-up in the whopping 2 years (insert sarcasm here) of her reign, that was likely because it had already come-up once during Mike Kenn’s reign.

From the article link I provide below, there is this quote from then-chair of the Log Cabin Republicans, Marc Yeegar: “She demonstrated in her last run that she was supportive of domestic partner benefits, and she’s supported same-sex adoptions on the basis of the best interest of the child.”

You know what the “last run” Yeagar is referring to? He is referring to her previous run for some other spot on the Fulton County Commission that was made earlier than 2003.

Here’s the story I cite from: http://www.politicalvine.com/karenhandel/2003SOVO-1.pdf

ready2rumble May 23, 2010 at 8:22 pm

Once again, where is the support? The support would be in a vote. Using Political Vine as a source is a joke. They support who ever buys the most junk from them.

Jim Bob May 23, 2010 at 8:42 pm

Hilarious!!! Dan, Marty, Monty whatever your name is, nice try. At least it’s good to know you moved off the “I’m a lifelong conservative republican” excuse…..

Carpet Capital May 23, 2010 at 8:50 pm

Now the Handel Camp blames the source. Wonder what excuses they can come up with next?

Henry Waxman May 24, 2010 at 12:06 am

Since Karen Handel’s campaign biography claims she held the non-existent job of “executive” at an accounting firm, gives her credit for founding the Susan G. Komen “Race for the Cure,” and describes the few months she spent on Governor Perdue’s staff as “she oversaw operations in the Capitol,” it would pretty hard for Team Handel to further surprise me with their creativity.

Henry Waxman May 24, 2010 at 12:15 am

I almost forgot my favorite George O’Leary line from her biography:

Dropped out of community college without ever attempting to complete her education = “She also put herself through as much college as she could afford before starting a career that would see her rise rapidly through corporate America…”

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 9:07 pm

The Political Vine copied articles from the Southern Voice dating back from 2003. But, DO continue to act like an idiot and deny the historical fact of Handel’s previous positions that are documented.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 9:18 pm

Oh! I forgot to say this obvious point: R2R, if the Vine fabricated evidence or fabricated Handel’s positions in these articles, I would hope that such an act against humanity would not go unnoticed by the Handel campaign and that she would file a libel lawsuit against Bill Simon for fabricating stories about her. Can’t wait to read all about it in the Political Vine.

Capt. Jack Sparrow May 25, 2010 at 9:56 am

“story”

Really?

ConcernedGeorgian May 23, 2010 at 8:34 pm

R2R,

“I looked through all of the “info” that has been provided. I didn’t see anything anywhere that Handel every voted for Domestic Partner Benefits, or Gay Marriage.”

Maybe that’s because she doesn’t have a voting record. All she has is political rhetoric.

gaconservative2010 May 23, 2010 at 6:21 pm

Hooray for MacGinnittie!
And, I kike Karen, but can we seriously nominate someone without a college degree?? I know this has been discussed before, but it’s crazy to think that she can become Governor and not have a college degree.

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 12:46 pm

I think it’s actually awesome to be honest with you. It shows the true power of the individual and that the American Dream is so real and alive!

Karen will be an inspiration to many out there that their own God given talents and abilities are sometimes enough and they can stop beating themselves up for things in their past.

I’m excited about the prospects of Karen Handel becoming Governor.

SFrazier May 24, 2010 at 2:13 pm

You also think Deal has complete power over Nancy Pelosi and the vote schedule of the congress.

Henry Waxman May 26, 2010 at 2:33 am

Why stop with a community college drop out? I think it would be EVEN MORE inspiring to find an illiterate high school drop out and make him or her Governor.

And while we’re at it, Georgia should 1.) stop requiring teachers to have a college degree, 2.) stop requiring surgeons to go to medical school, and 3.) stop requiring lawyers to go to law school.

What an inspiration that would be!!!

Henry Waxman May 26, 2010 at 2:37 am

“Mom and dad, I know you want me to go to college, but Governor Handel has inspired me to drop out of high school and find some wealthy guy to marry so that one day I too can be Governor of the State of Georgia.”

Henry Waxman May 26, 2010 at 2:45 am

If Karen Handel is elected, then Georgia will be the ONLY governor in America without a college degree.

Maybe Karen Handel should be a REAL INSPIRATION to Georgia’s youth, and complete her college education before running for Governor in 2014.

benevolus May 23, 2010 at 6:38 pm

So the flat tax, school vouchers, pro-pollution, anti-unemployment compensation crowd like Handel? Good to know.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 7:48 pm

Who isn’t “pro-pollution,” Bene? If you drive a car, you are pro-pollution. If you ride public transportation, you are pro-pollution.

If you are a live human being, you are pro-pollution because you produce it everywhere you go.

benevolus May 23, 2010 at 8:26 pm

Is it frustrating or rewarding to see everything in black and white?

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 9:26 pm

I’m guessing “rewarding”. Most people don’t do the same thing over and over unless there’s some reward to doing it. Except masochists. That’s also a possibility.

Mozart May 25, 2010 at 12:10 am

It is rewarding to see you get frustrated at my response, Bene. :-)

benevolus May 25, 2010 at 7:35 am

Hmm. So if I don’t get frustrated with you, I am denying you a reward. I will keep that in mind. :-)

Mozart May 25, 2010 at 7:38 pm

LOL! Aww, shucks!

Mayonnaise May 23, 2010 at 8:52 pm

Wow. I missed a lot today. I thought I was making up all this gay rights stuff up last week? Next thing ya know, people will be posting the documents of Karen’s liquor store enterprises. Should be an interesting couple of months. But don’t worry, the “Obama’s doing exactly as I expected and wanted” Karen Handel supporter will be here shortly to save the day for her. Karen must love having all the liberals on PP pushing her candidacy. :)

benevolus May 23, 2010 at 8:58 pm

Her time will come! :-)

Lady Thinker May 23, 2010 at 8:59 pm

How does Johnson feel about taking third place in the Freedomworks straw poll?

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 9:15 pm

Certainly better than 4th place. He’s moving up. Or, did you not get that he’s previously been in 4th place, LT?

Mayonnaise May 23, 2010 at 9:27 pm

Actually if you back out the Log Cabin Republicans out of Karen’s number, she finishes in 4th place. :) :) :)

Will Harrison May 26, 2010 at 12:39 am

I heard that he’s so depressed that he went out and bought several bottles of Jack from Karen Handel’s liquor stores.

ByteMe May 23, 2010 at 9:27 pm

But don’t worry, the “Obama’s doing exactly as I expected and wanted” Karen Handel supporter will be here shortly to save the day for her.

Huh??!? You took a quote from me and juxtaposed “Handel supporter” somehow. Really weird.

Mayonnaise May 23, 2010 at 9:41 pm

Yep. She’s obviously your consolation prize if Barnes loses.

ByteMe May 24, 2010 at 6:15 am

Aww… you’re just feeling bad that I don’t want you as the consolation prize. Well, when you get the guts and brains to run for office, maybe I’ll pick you then. :lol:

Yeah, probably not. You make up too much stuff for my political taste.

TheSituation May 23, 2010 at 9:29 pm

Here we go again, Mayo. You are stuck trying to avert attention from all of Johnson’s problems…like his cronies down there developing Jekyll Island while they are running his Gov. campaign. Or the fact that even with all that money, his name recognition is terrible. Please tell me that you finally did a bit of research and found out about who owns your candiate…the Reynolds family. If not, maybe the article below will help.

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Island for sale: Call Eric!

Jekyll Island is one of Georgia’s greatest treasures, originally intended to be a place where Georgia’s families can go for vacation without breaking the bank.

None of that matters to gubernatorial candidate Eric Johnson, however. As a member of the State Senate, Johnson spearheaded the effort to turn Georgia’s coastal treasure over to developers, putting the island’s fragile ecosystem at risk and giving the finger to people in the area who opposed selling Jekyll to the highest bidder.

In this case, the highest bidder was Linger Longer Properties, one of Johnson’s biggest campaign donors.

But Johnson’s record of favors for friends isn’t just for big donors. As a State Senator, Johnson led the investigation into allegations that House Speaker Glenn Richardson had an inappropriate relationship with a lobbyist. Johnson’s investigation exonerated the Speaker, but the allegations against him resurfaced, forcing his resignation in a cloud of disgrace.

James Reynolds, III of Linger Longer Properties serves as Finance Chair for Johnson’s gubernatorial campaign. Johnson has received $2,000 so far in his campaign for Governor from Reynolds, and another $3,000 from Reynolds’ company.

Johnson serves on the board of the Jekyll Island authority, which handed out a lucrative business deal to Reynolds’ development company. Johnson serves as a member of the Jekyll Island Authority, which awarded a controversial, 25-year no-competition development contract to Reynolds’ company, Linger Longer Properties.

Mayonnaise May 23, 2010 at 9:39 pm

“Johnson has received $2,000 so far in his campaign for Governor from Reynolds, and another $3,000 from Reynolds’ company.”

WOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOWOW!!!

A whole $5,000. Man, that is really buying some influence.

Move along little child.

TheSituation May 23, 2010 at 9:54 pm

I’m so glad that you actually know who the Reynold’s family is now. Not long ago, you played dumb. I can quote you if you wish. BTW, what I posted wasn’t new info, my friend. I’m sure the current numbers will show a lot more donations from the Reynolds family members, workers, etc. I’ll be willing to bet the max donation limit will be met very soon from his whole family.

Don’t get so butt hurt, Mayo. Maybe that is a sensitive subject with all of the homophobia going on around these boards. Of all of the problems facing Georgia, you are worrying about if someone was endorsed by the log cabin Repubs sometime back? Get your priorities straight. Instead of worrying so much about the other candidates, maybe you should try to do more to make your candidate actually appealing. Obviously, he isn’t doing a good job of it…even with all of that money. His numbers are laughable, as are you.

Mayonnaise May 23, 2010 at 10:04 pm

Not surprising that a Hillary Handel supporter would describe the issues of Traditional Marriage and Adoption as “Homophobic”.

TheSituation May 23, 2010 at 10:33 pm

Mayo – What the hell is a Hillary Handel supporter? I actually don’t support Handel, and I sure don’t support your man crush, Mr. Johnson.

Mozart, again, it doesn’t matter. Marriage in Georgia is constitutionally between a man a woman. It doesn’t matter what any Gov candidate thinks. That will not change in a very long time, if ever. My issue is that I can’t believe this is an issue. We have a budget crisis, a transportation crisis, an education crisis, and a water crisis, and we’re here talking about gay marriage.

Both of you…Get a clue.

Mayonnaise May 23, 2010 at 10:43 pm

Actually, we’re talking about Hillary Handel being a phony. And I sure hope you’re not an Oxendine (Alabama $$$$) or Deal (junkyard $$$$) supporter and whining about $5k in donations to EJ. You’ve lost all credibility if that’s the case.

TheSituation May 23, 2010 at 11:44 pm

Nope. Neither of those two you mentioned. I am a Chapman (Doesn’t seem to have a campaign or $$$$) gal. I think you forgot EJ’s description, so I’ll help. Johnson (doesn’t care about ethics* and Reynolds $$$$). *See Glenn Richardson ethics complaint from Kahn.

EJ will never face King Roy, but if he did, King Roy would eat him for lunch.

B Balz May 25, 2010 at 8:35 am

If Mayo, the paradigm of credibility shouts under the Dome, and nobody listens, was anything said?

Vapid nonsense from ‘pol ops’ in lieu of the good comment by TheSituation.

Same political crap, different day. “It is time to put away childish things.”

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 11:39 pm

TS,

Again, what matters is not the position she took, but that she has no problem pandering for a political gain. She is unreliale as to the truth upon she stands on ANYTHING.

So, I’m not up for a charlatan getting elected in this state. I didn’t like it when Obama got elected to be president, and I’m not going to be in favor of a pandering liar like Karen Handel to be governor.

You cannot be in favor of placing a known liar into the governor’s seat. I don’t care what the “crisis” is that faces this state…a proven liar cannot occupy that seat.

SouthGAConservative May 24, 2010 at 1:38 am

I’m just going to note that TS obviously ends her name with a (D). That article was from the Democrats website that blasted all the major Republican candidates.

I posted a link earlier up there that analyzed that article, thought it was interesting and basically, the authors didn’t have much to go on.

Not to mention, she cites the Kahn complaint which was a joke to the utmost extent. If he’d provided real evidence then we could have ended the reign of Glenn way earlier and gotten a lot more achieved for the people of GA.

Mozart May 23, 2010 at 10:20 pm

It’s not the endorsement. It’s the denial of the endorsement that is the problem, TS.

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 1:56 am

You must be smoking something if you think that’s all that Jamie Reynolds has done for the Johnson campaign…

TheSituation May 24, 2010 at 9:34 am

Exactly. Mayo is smarter than that. Then again…

Mayonnaise May 24, 2010 at 9:48 am

Actually I could care less. Maybe you should be spending your time more usefully like collecting aluminum cans for the Chapman campaign. Better yet, isn’t there a sea turtle in need of rescue out there on your beloved island?

Mozart May 24, 2010 at 11:35 am

+5

Mozart May 25, 2010 at 12:14 am

Love to see documented proof as opposed to blah-blah-blah from people-who-do-not-appear-to-know-Jack-Schitt.

Provide documentation via linked articles to what you claim or insinuate.

Pine Knot May 23, 2010 at 10:45 pm

I haven’t see a “Deal.Done.” on here yet. Haha. The cream rises to the top every time. Deal For Governor.

Doug Grammer May 23, 2010 at 11:33 pm

Have I mentioned lately that I will be glad when the primary will be over?

Harry May 23, 2010 at 11:47 pm

Dittoes.

Mozart May 24, 2010 at 9:05 am

Over? Did you say the primary will be over? Was it over when…

Doug Grammer May 24, 2010 at 9:08 am

Forget it, he’s rolling.

benevolus May 24, 2010 at 9:08 am

Wow, no kidding. I hope all these candidates lose and it’s STILL brutal to watch this.

DMZDave May 23, 2010 at 11:47 pm

Nothing frosts the wheeler Dealers like a Karen straw poll victory and each time she wins another one they become predictably unglued. The topic was about the Gwinnett straw poll results but almost instantly the Deal staffers hit the panic button and started screaming “gay, gay, gay” Here’s the Deal, the Wheeler Dealers thought their guy was a shoe-in and it’s falling apart because his timing sucks and this is just a horrible time to run with the campaign theme that “I’m from Washington and I’m here to help you. ” Washington experience just isn’t selling all that well this cycle.

Crossing the Chasm May 24, 2010 at 1:41 am

Well spoken, DMZDave..

It seems Deal has the greatest ethical issue to confront among the three leading contenders; his resignation from Congress just prior to a Congressional investigation into his salvage vehicle inspection business was either poor timing or outright ducking a troublesome issue.

The investigation into two insurance companies potentially illegal contributions to Mr. Oxendine’s campaign is beginning to heat up at the wrong time for his campaign.

So far, the only things I’ve heard negative about Ms. Handel is the constant repetition of her education level (the same as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Michael Dell and Rush Limbaugh), and that she pandered to gay Atlantans in her effort to become Chairman of the Fulton County Board of Commissioners eight years ago.

If that’s the worst that her opponents have on her, they’re in trouble.

benevolus May 24, 2010 at 1:08 pm

Well, she hasn’t shown that she has the stamina to finish anything yet. And I suspect that across-the-board personnel cut may be an issue since the result was a poorly implemented Voter ID procedure (50% error rate!) and an insecure website.

SFrazier May 24, 2010 at 2:32 pm

From the Democratic web site:

Questionable contributions and gifts from lobbyists, received by Handel as recently as last year, were brought to light this afternoon by the Democratic Party of Georgia. As Chair of the Fulton County Commission, Handel received thousands in campaign cash from corporations with business before the Commission.

On September 27, 2005, Handel received a contribution from Hamid Alaee. Four months later, Mr. Alaee’s company, Unique Design and Construction, received approval for a zoning modification from Handel and the Commission. Many other beneficiaries of Handel’s actions on the Fulton County Commission gave campaign contributions of up to $10,000, including Roberts Properties, Archer Western Contractors, Brown and Caldwell, Gresham Smith and Partners, John Controls, and others. In 2006, Handel received $10,000 from Fourth Quarter Properties, the real estate company involved in a notoriously shady land deal with Karen Handel’s old boss, Sonny Perdue.

“It’s hard to believe that Karen Handel is shocked by the Republican revolving door of money and politics considering how she helped keep it moving as an elected official,” said Kidd. “While Karen Handel now attacks politicians who make decisions ‘based on the size of the contribution,’ during her term as Chair of the Fulton County Commission, she received multiple political contributions from companies that had business in front of the Commission.”

“If you’re sitting across from the Governor at the Capitol and receiving handouts from lobbyists, it’s disingenuous for you to turn around and complain about the need for ‘radical change’ under the Gold Dome,” said Kidd, “It’s time for Karen Handel to step up and admit that she was just as much a part of the culture of corruption as John Oxendine or Glenn Richardson. Make no mistake, Karen Handel’s resignation is a step forward for clean government. Why would Georgia want to return her to power?”

ByteMe May 24, 2010 at 2:35 pm

This could mean one of two things:

1. The Dems don’t want to face her and are trying to swing the race over to someone more damaged and less appealing to swing voters.

2. The Dems expect to face her and want to start throwing feces early to soften up her cross-party support.

SFrazier May 24, 2010 at 4:53 pm

or 3. They know she will not be around so they want to link the GOP to this hypocrite while they can. If she really wanted to stop Barnes she would get out of the race now. Hey Byte, I thought you had no dog in this race. The only one you defend is Handel? Are you from Maryland as well?

ByteMe May 24, 2010 at 5:02 pm

How on earth did what I write sound like I was defending anyone. I proposed why I thought the Dems would do this at this point in the horse race. They don’t have a dog in the GOP primary, so why pick that fight now? My two explanations are both possible. Your explanation is weak, since you suppose that being a hypocrite is the worst that the Republicans have to offer in this race, which is sooooo not true.

Lady Thinker May 24, 2010 at 10:16 pm

Byte,

Especially when you have posted several times words to the effect that you haven’t decided on a candidate as yet. The Deal gang have attacked everyone they feel has said a positive word about Karen. You must be on the list.

I think they are some of the Jim Jones Christians who survived theKook-Aid poisioning and came back to restart their cult.

benevolus May 24, 2010 at 6:00 pm

I think they are just throwing more chum in the water. No downside really.

I just hope they are saving the big stuff for later. :-0

Lady Thinker May 25, 2010 at 11:26 pm

She has the best plan to turn Georgia around, Done Deal doesn’t.

Ludwig Von Beachbum May 24, 2010 at 6:59 am

Each time?

I haven’t seen where all the polls have been a slam dunk for Karen. It still looks like “undecided” is the clear winner. The fact is, no one is excited about the race down in Hooterville. No one likes quitters, money funnel”ers, people who’s ethic show up when bad ethics do and the same old same old no matter how the clap trap here dresses them up.

GOPwits May 24, 2010 at 1:58 am

For what it is worth, the Deal supporters were incredibly disrespectful and rude at the FreedomWorks event. They were disrespectful to the other candidates, in particular Karen.

There is a lot of animosity from the Deal people towards the other campaigns, again, especially Karen’s.

justsayin May 24, 2010 at 2:44 pm

Not true. Stop making stuff up. There was no disrespect, rudeness or animosity amongst the candidates or their peeps.

Lady Thinker May 24, 2010 at 10:19 pm

Yes there was. I sat behind this young blonde woman who laughed everytime Karen spoke and mimicked Karen’s hand gestures. The she reached behind a guy to tap a brunette on the shoulder to get her involved in the mocking. They were Deal supporters and very unprofessional.

Mozart May 25, 2010 at 12:16 am

Okay. One person (maybe) out of how many LT?

Lady Thinker May 25, 2010 at 10:38 pm

If I thought you were interested, I’d tell you but you’re not so I won’t.

Mozart May 26, 2010 at 9:37 am

Spoken from the person who knows the percentage is something less than 50% of the Deal supporters. Thank you, LT.

Henry Waxman May 25, 2010 at 1:34 am

Candidates have about as much control over the behavior of their fans as professional and college sports teams do. Like most people on this site, I’ve been to hundreds of sporting events, and I have seen rude fans at every single event, including games/matches at the U.S. Service academies and stuffy Ivy League schools.

Doug Grammer May 25, 2010 at 1:48 am

+ 1 big foam (index) finger

Will Harrison May 26, 2010 at 12:37 am

Henry with a very solid point.

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