IA polling in GOP primary for Governor

Here is the latest round of polling from Insider Advantage.

  • John Oxendine: 23%
  • Nathan Deal: 15%
  • Karen Handel: 14%
  • Eric Johnson: 5%
  • Jeff Chapman: 2%
  • Ray McBerry: 2%
  • Otis Putnam: 0%
  • Undecided: 39%

You can view a look at all polling in this race here.

Discuss.

[UPDATE] For what it’s worth, Deal’s campaign is disputing the numbers because his and Handel’s numbers were presented the other way around last night on WSB-TV.

[UPDATE II] It appears the Deal campaign was correct. According to IA, “The original release of the poll findings incorrectly had Karen Handel at 15% and Nathan Deal at 14%. The reverse is correct, as listed above.” The margin of error for the poll is plus or minus 5 percent.

160 comments

  1. LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

    Geez, is it me or are the Undecideds increasing?

    The party has had 8 years to prepare for this race and this is the best that it could come up with?

    And why does Chapman continue to run a stealth campaign?

    • SFrazier says:

      This was there last poll last month:
      John Oxendine: 26%–now 23=trending -3
      Karen Handel: 18%—now 15=trending-3
      Nathan Deal: 9%—-now 14=trending+5
      Eric Johnson: 5%—-now 5=no change
      Other 11%–11=no change
      No Opinion: 31% —9=left Karen and about to go to Deal
      I think the momentum shift is pretty obvious. Deal in a land slide in July.

        • SFrazier says:

          Sorry—Deal is actually at 15% a 40% gain from last month. And Karen is down 17% from last month. Like all conservatives on this blog said before, Georgia identifies with one of its sons Nathan Deal, not the liberal past of Gal from Maryland who supported abortion, same sex marriage and adoption as Fulton County Chairman-Karen Handel.

          Where is ICARUS now. He talks smack about some silly straw poll in Fannin county where Karen Handel brings in 50 people from Fulton and gets 47 votes. Everyone knows that Nathan will carry 85% of Fannin county.I am sure he knew about this IA poll long before now, but all he does is allow Jason to post the wrong result without any correction. I got some news for you Mr. Icarus, this was a scientific poll not a silly straw poll. Deal will dominate middle Ga and the whole state by July. in the GOP primary, as Peach county goes, so does Georgia. And down here, Nathan Deal will do even better than the 9th district. We are not fond of people not from Georgia, they do not understand our true conservative ways.

          • ByteMe says:

            And “No Opinion” has a 30% gain and continues to lead. No way does Deal catch up to that, no matter what the Deal-bots say.

            • SFrazier says:

              That 30% are real conservative Georgians who will not support your liberal candidate under no circumstances. She is not running against Bill Stephens for the SOS race. Values voters make up the majority of the GOP primary, its true grass roots leaders backed Huckabee and have now lined up behind Deal. This is a done deal, the Christian right decides Georgia GOP primaries..
              We are not going to vote for divorced and re-married Ox. As a Catholic I find this totally unacceptable for leadership.
              Handel is out of the question for obvious reasons mentioned and proven over and over again.
              Johnson made us very mad by showing his true colors and backing ROMNEY… Ughhhhh

                  • Will Harrison says:

                    “Show us how he’s polling against the people he has to beat to get to Roy Barnes.” -Icarus, 5/12/10, http://tinyurl.com/24b6dkg

                    Well, Icarus, it appears you got your wish with this poll since it shows how Congressman Deal is polling against the people he has to beat to get to Roy Barnes.

                    • Will Harrison says:

                      Thanks for the Stats 101 refresher, ByteMe. Of course, if the MOE was 5 in both IA polls, then it is possible that Deal was +16 and Handel was -14 as well.

                      However, when you add the fact that the IA polls, the Rasmussen polls, and a few other inside polls ALL show Deal’s poll numbers increasing by three to six points, it provides strong evidence that there has been an increase.

                    • ByteMe says:

                      And I won’t dispute that if you have three polls with similar results and a large MoE that the MoE goes down, provided the same poll flaws — e.g., robo-calling only landlines at dinner time — are not present in the other polls.

                      I also think it’s somewhat likely that Deal has moved up a bit in the numbers now that he can devote full time to campaigning. That outcome seems as logical to me as Ox continuing to hold a shrinking lead. I don’t think the movement has been 6 points, but that’s just a guess on my part.

              • ByteMe says:

                Really, you need to take a deep breath. Some people have suggested that you might be hitting the booze a bit too hard, but I think it’s just more likely that you’re having trouble letting go of some internal issues. Deep breath…. in…. out….

              • AnyoneElse2010 says:

                In all reality I have been strongly considering Deal as my candidate, but after that rant I may have to think again.

                • SFrazier says:

                  That is what you all said about Huckabee and we won with absolutely no money. You pagans on the PP have a tough time dealing with the reality of Georgia voters. None are more conservative, none are more Christian. If you do not like it return back North to where you all came from. And please take Handel with you…

                  • I Am Jacks Post says:

                    “the Christian right decides Georgia GOP primaries..”

                    Ralph Reed says you’re wrong.

                    • AlanR says:

                      Not SF, but after all the Abramoff stuff it would not be a stretch to think that a lot of Christian conservatives decided to vote for Cagle instead.

                      Remember the photo of Reed, Abramoff, Ney and a couple others dressed for golf standing in front of a private Gulfstream ready to head for Scotland? Tough to recover from.

                      I don’t understand SF’s argument. What will motivate the Christian Right to support Deal?

                      Count me undecided and unconvinced

                    • ReaganRepublican says:

                      I am part of the same Christian right that left Reed for Cagle and is backing Deal. We are backing Nathan because we know he came from us not to us like Karen and Ox is trying to do. While Ox and Karen are notorious for cussing like sailors, I have spent a lot of time around Nathan and never heard anything close to a cuss word. We know our politicians in North Georgia, Nathan is a man of integrity with a true servants heart.

                  • Ambernappe says:

                    Careful – I am not a pagan, I am a Reformed Christian and am proud to be a native of Nashville, TN. Karen Handel meets my strong conservative standards, and continues to campaign with dignity despite the untruths that have been printed about her beliefs.

                    • ReaganRepublican says:

                      There was a great post this week that hit at the heart of Karen’s problem…

                      “She also put herself through as much college as she could afford before starting a career that would see her rise rapidly through corporate America (including CIBA Vision and accounting firm KPMG) and Republican politics.
                      From a job at Hallmark Cards corporate offices in Washington, D.C., Karen was recruited to work in the Bush-Quayle White House, eventually becoming Deputy Chief of Staff. In that capacity, she managed office operations and spearheaded Mrs. Quayle’s breast cancer awareness and research campaign, which ultimately led to the founding of the Susan G. Komen Washington ‘Race for the Cure.’
                      After the White House, Karen served as an executive with KPMG and later with CIBA Vision. ”
                      ==============
                      We need a Joe Wilson moment (“She lied”). She wasn’t an executive at KPMG, she was the marketing director for the ATL office. This was a do-nothing position that reported to the local managing partner. Without a college degree she wasn’t qualified to be a staff consultant, yet she claims she was an executive.
                      She goes on to imply she was the Deputy Chief of Staff for the Bush/Quayle administration. She was the Deputy Chief of Staff for Mrs. Quayle.
                      If she applied to any corporation and they caught her embellishing her resume like she does on her web site, she would never get a job offer. This says a lot about her lack of ethics. On the other hand, given her weak resume I guess we should give her a pass for lying. ”

                      Christ followers may forgive a liar but do not vote for pathalogical liar. She recently claims that she does not support gay adoptions but once again this article proves otherwise.

                      http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/freshloaf/2009/07/17/karen-handel-gay-marriage-and-some-bring-it-on-nonsense/

                    • John Konop says:

                      RR,

                      I have made said in the past I have done business with people regardless to race, gender….. But I would not knowingly do business, support, and raise money with a sexual predator.

                      Why do you support Nathan Deal raising money with a known sexual predator Mark Foley?

                    • John Konop says:

                      RR,

                      Do you support Mark Foley?

                      ….THE SUDDEN resignation of Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) involves more than an obviously troubled man who sent sexually suggestive e-mails to underage congressional pages. Numerous fellow lawmakers, including Republican leaders, apparently had at least partial knowledge about Mr. Foley’s disturbing conduct. A thorough and prompt accounting is needed of what colleagues knew about his behavior, when they knew it and what they did about it……

                      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/30/AR2006093001028.html

                    • ReaganRepublican says:

                      Folley was backed by the whole party, so this is an indictment on GOP. He had a pro family voting record with a 84% rating by the Christian coalition. Once the party saw his actions we made him resign and go to rehab. We don’t defend him or his inexcusable behavior — good riddance.

                      “In the House, Foley was one of the foremost opponents of child pornography. Foley had served as chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. He introduced a bill, coined the “Child Modeling Exploitation prevention Act of 2002″ to outlaw web sites featuring sexually suggestive images of preteen children, saying that “these websites are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles.” As it was written, the bill would have prohibited commercial photography of children, and it failed due to the unmanageable burden it would have presented to the legitimate entertainment industry.[14][15] In June 2003 he wrote letters to the governor and attorney general of Florida, asking them to review the legality of a program for teenagers of a Lake Como nudist resort in Land o’ Lakes, Florida.[16]

                      Foley’s legislation to change federal sex offender laws was supported by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, America’s Most Wanted host John Walsh, and a number of victims’ rights groups. President Bush signed it into law as part of the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006.

                      Foley also succeeded in getting a law passed that allows volunteer youth-serving organizations like the Boy Scouts of America and Boys and Girls Clubs to have access to FBI fingerprint background checks”
                      It is a very sad story just like Larry Graig was a sad story.

                      John, you were right about Price, I will give you that much. But throwing the whole party under the Bus is not the answer. The party did the right thing when Folley and Graigs problem surfaced.

                    • John Konop says:

                      RR,

                      The money was raised after Foley got caught and resigned. Do you not see an issue raising money with Foley? I am not throwing the whole party under any bus, I am just making the point Deal was out fund raising with Foley after he got caught. And both parties have candidates that have no ceiling as to how low they will go to raise money.

                      BTW as far as Tom Price we may not agree on everything but he is tougher on fiscal issues now as well as being against No Child Left Behind.

                    • John Konop says:

                      RR,

                      This is no different in my mind as McBerry. On a personal level the few times I met Ray he was always a gentlemen even though we disagreed on some issues. But the sexual predator issue and how he treated Jenny is when I started speaking out.

                      My tolerance for life-style choices are more libertarian than you. But my tolerance for abusive behavior toward others seems to be tougher.

                      I am not speaking for any candidate only myself. And I now consider myself a fiscally conservative independent.

                • Will Harrison says:

                  If that truly were the case, then I would like to tell you why Karen Handel is so great in the following rant…

              • Dave Bearse says:

                “This is a done deal, the Christian right decides Georgia GOP primaries.”

                Two word rebuttal: Ralph Reed

                • ReaganRepublican says:

                  Once again, the Christian right did the right thing and supported Casey Cagle.

              • “We are not going to vote for divorced and re-married Ox.”

                So let me get this straight. The Christian right will vote for Ox for Insurance Commissioner… just not Governor. With all the other issues surrounding Ox you choose his divorced and remarried status as his main fault? Wow. Have you been sipping a little too much of the communion wine?

                  • I totally agree. I’d have a bottle of Opus One every day if I could. But we usually just open Beringer or Chateau St. Michelle or Liberty School or whatever looked good on the non-Sunday we went to the grocery store. And we typically keep to Schramsberg for our sparkling wine. But I think the Christian right teaches not drinking at all if you’re Southern Baptist (most of the Christian right in Georgia) and drinking in moderation if you’re Catholic, right?

                  • I almost forgot… two of our other favs if you’ve never had them… Peju makes several really good wines and so does a small little winery in the Napa Valley – Arger Martucci. They make a rose out of a Cabernet Sauvignon grape that is fantastic.

                    • John Konop says:

                      DS,

                      Good wines for the price you listed, but I do think you get better values with Australian and Spanish wines. But my favorite wine in the mid to high $20 range per bottle is a French wine Chateauneuf-du-Pape E. Guigal. I actually like this wine better than Opus 1.

                    • Yep. Even though it’s a world economy, we try and do our part with the trade imbalance by purchasing things made and grown in the US – as local as possible. It’s also an environmental thing… the shorter distance it has to be shipped the less fuel is burned to bring it to me. I do agree that there’s quite a few good Australian and Spanish wines out there though.

          • I Am Jacks Post says:

            Dude, don’t bang on straw polls. MacGinnittie is riding straw polls victory in July! He’s won 47 out of 48 straw polls, and those 480 people can’t be wrong.

  2. NorthGAGOP says:

    Is it just me, or did Johnson waste a lot of money on TV and direct mail? Doesn’t looked like he moved.

    • Capt. Jack Sparrow says:

      WRONG! He’s in first place of the 2nd tier candidates that shouldn’t even be at debates. And everybody in Savannah is voting for him so there!!!

    • Having read his press release, perhaps he’s confused. He must think with Sonny’s precedent of praying on the capitol steps that he’s running for chaplain or pastor…

  3. Lady Thinker says:

    I can’t believe McBerry is still getting any percentage points over other candidates.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      Oh yea, that’s right. So 2500 supporters equals 2%. And the sad thing is his supporters were throwing that number around like it was 25 million. Otis Putnam main supporter in Zaza isn’t moving his 0% upward yet.

        • ZazaPachulia says:

          Many of us Otis diehards speak with very southern accents, which are hard for those brainy city boys from Insider Advantage to interpret.

          The only thing I can figure is that about 36-percent or so of Georgia voters polled drawled out the name “Otis Putnam” and were mistakenly marked down as saying “undecided.”

          Remember, members of The Former Scott Supporters for Putnam PAC will be fleeing to the Democrat side of the ballot if good old Otis can’t make it out of the primary.

  4. Personally, I’m getting tired of seeing all the Oxendine signs all over Cobb and North Fulton. I thought surely the sign ordinance people would have pulled them down by now…

    • Lady Thinker says:

      I know what you mean. Some of the Ox signs have been up for six months or more and several are on the right of way. I have noticed Forsyth County taking down the Hawkins signs on the right-of-ways but not Ox’s. Wonder if that Hawkins?

  5. I love Poll Day on Peach Pundit. It’s my bathroom scales when I get up every Saturday morning. While brushing my teeth, I stand up really straight in front of the mirror. I pull my shoulders back. I tighten up my abdominals as best I can. I sincerely convince myself that I’m looking better and have lost a few pounds this past week.

    Then I climb on those scales. Reality check. Same weight.

    Browsing this blog throughout the week, you read all sorts of campaign supporters standing on their tippy-toes and sucking their guts in. You see a sincere and tangible mental picture of Handel and Johnson heading toward a runoff showdown.

    Then Poll Day comes around. Reality check. You’re still built like an ox.

    We’re eight weeks out, folks. Johnson has started spending, but isn’t breaking to the top-tier with the north Georgia candidates. Despite the CREW bad press and silly resignation flip-flopping, Deal is holding strong and sucking away oxygen. Oxendine’s numbers are slowly but steadily deflating… but he’s still the front-runner, and Handel is slipping from the high-teens to the mid-teens herself.

    How terrible of a field must you have for “Undecided” to be surging (10 or 11 points since mid-March) rather than shrinking down the stretch? Geeze… the Georgia GOP should have gone on a David Shafer Diet Plan.

  6. I Am Jacks Post says:

    Those numbers can’t be correct. I read PeachPundit every day and everyone here says that Handel is running away with second place. So, thank you very much, Mr. Scientific Data Guy, but I’m siding with the proven wisdom of Tyler, Icarus, and the other front page posters who’ve run and won tons of races.

    • Part-Time Atlanta says:

      Lol. I bet it’s easy to get caught up in your own campaign and feel like you have momentum. Not saying that they may not. Just that it doesn’t always mean you’re the only one or that someone else just has more of it.

      It’s always nice to have real data to bring everyone back to reality.

      • Dave Bearse says:

        Momentum for some candidates and staff is soley in their frame of mind and has nothing to do with likely voters perceptions.

  7. HowardRoark says:

    One would expect to see Johnson get a little bump from his TV ads. Mayo…got anything for us there?

    • Mayonnaise says:

      Sure! We have 39% undecided and probably 50% responding based on name recognition only. That’s 90% of the voters up for grabs over the next 60 days. Johnson is fine and will close the gap. 🙂 🙂 🙂

  8. BigEL2010 says:

    I wouldn’t read much into this poll. 423 primary voters are not a statistically significant sample of an electorate that will probably have 500,000 primary voters in it. I would wager that the undecideds are actually closer to 50% at this point among the primary voters in the state.

    • I Am Jacks Post says:

      “423 primary voters are not a statistically significant sample of an electorate that will probably have 500,000 primary voters in in it.”

      And yet you all would have us believe it matters how the 187 people at Noodlin’ County GOP picnic voted in the straw poll.

      Lame.

  9. KingWulfgar says:

    +/- 5% and Deal is griping about a 1% flipflop of the numbers?

    I’m just disgusted that the three at the top are so pathetic.

  10. NorthGAGOP says:

    KW,
    I’m sure that Deal wanted to be sure that he and Ox were together. They are the most ethically challenged in the race.

  11. ZazaPachulia says:

    Hey Georgia G.O.P…. With undecideds surging and none of the candidates emerging from the pack, remind me again why it was a good idea to convince our best candidate to drop out and run for Congress?

  12. debbie0040 says:

    What, McBerry still polling 2%? That can’t be right. It has to be a conspiracy with the left wing media or RINOs. Look at all the straw polls McBerry has won. The consistent 2% McBerry receives in the polls, just can’t be right…

    According to the nasty emails I have received from some McBerry supporters, if you are not supporting McBerry then you are a moderate or a RINO….

  13. Progressive Dem says:

    The election is a little over 7 weeks away, but there is still no significant movement in the polls. The number of undecided voters, almost 40%, is really hard to fathom in a poll of likely Republican primary voters.

    Deal benefited by the congressional race in his old district, which focused his base on politics. I wouldn’t put much stock in his upward trend without seeing some geographic distribution.

    The air seems to be slowly leaking from the Ox’s campaign. He has to hope his advertising will plug the hole. However with everyone hitting the airwaves at the same time, he has to rely on his advertising being more effective than everyone elses to stay competitive. If the undecided split evenly among the other big 3, or if most of the undecided go to two of the other top 3 candidates; he won’t make a runoff.

    For Johnson, it is awfully late to still be at 5%. He has a lot of people to crawl over to move into a runoff. His Masters Tournament advertising netted no bump. That’s going to leave a mark on contributors.

    With this many undecided voters, Handel makes the runnoff just on the female vote alone. Johnson is the only one who could beat her in a runoff. Ox’s negative ratings will come home to roost if he makes a runoff withHandel. Deal’s Washington experience is not an asset in 2010.

    • I Am Jacks Post says:

      “With this many undecided voters, Handel makes the runnoff just on the female vote alone”

      Except the votes of those females who have actually met Handel.

  14. SFrazier says:

    Handel’s problem is the female vote. Georgia’s conservative females like me despise feminists like Karen. We are more attracted to gentlemen who are loyal to their wife’s like Nathan deal who has been married for 43 years to the same woman. Outside of Fulton she will come no where close to carring the female vote…

    • ByteMe says:

      Georgia’s conservative females like me

      You’ve shown ample evidence that this is likely a subset of 1.

    • debbie0040 says:

      I am a conservative Christian and would have not a problem supporting Karen or any of the other candidates in the GOP primary except for McBerry.

      • ByteMe says:

        Isn’t it scary, though, that you feel you have to defend your religion just because of someone else’s warped mixture of politics and religion?

    • I know people outside of Fulton who voted for Hillary Clinton in the Presidential primaries simply because she was female. No other reason. You may want to think before you type.

  15. SFrazier says:

    We are especially not voting for a pro abortion, pro gay adoption, former chairman of Fulton County where family values do not exist.

  16. Straight Talking Jim says:

    John Oxendine is the only man who can save Georgia from economic oblivion by implementing the FairTax. The others who speak of this issue are pandering to us. Go Ox!!!

    • Jim Bob says:

      From one Jim to another,

      John Linder says the Fair Tax will do no good at the state level, only at the federal level will it be useful. Not knocking your guy, just passing along some helpful info, hopefully.

      • Dave Bearse says:

        What do mean it’ll do no good on the state level? Who doesn’t favor a revenue neutral change in taxation that reduces taxes?

        • Mozart says:

          “revenue neutral” is in the book titled “101 Political Buzzwords to Baffle Everyone with Bullsh**” under the chapter called “Unicorns & Other Nonsense.”

    • Insider Mike says:

      Did you know that the FairTax will end crime, poverty, and illiteracy in America?

      Thanks for the Straight Talk, Jim.

    • TheEiger says:

      The FairTax is a national issue, not a state one. Pick up the book again and you will realize it doesn’t work at the state level.

    • Perhaps if the Ox wanted to implement the Fair Tax, he should be running for US Senate or Congress – where he’d actually have a vote on the matter. Unless of course you’re talking about doing away with the state income tax and replacing it with a consumption tax. But that’s typically not what the Fair Tax refers to from my past experience.

  17. Pine Knot says:

    Who did the FairTax man endorse? Who did possibly one of the most Conservative person in Congress endorse? Hmm..The one who has polled for two months in a row as the strongest canidate to beat Roy Barnes: Our own Nathan Deal.

  18. Will Harrison says:

    Wait, wait, wait…There is no way this poll is accurate because Icarus has repeatedly claimed that Nathan Deal is done (e.g., “Deal. Done.”), and if these Insider Advantage and Rasmussen polls are accurate and Nathan Deal’s poll numbers continue to significantly INCREASE, then what would that mean about Icarus’s oft-repeated claims???

      • Mozart says:

        The only “accurate” poll is the one that starts on June 4 and ends at 7:00 PM on July 20th.

        • Will Harrison says:

          I think Henry Waxman said it best in the conversation that I linked to earlier in this thread when he said, “Of course, this is all 7th inning baseball, and we’ll see how things turn out on 7/20 and 8/10.”

          However, it is either intellectually dishonest or embarrassingly ignorant to claim that a candidate who is polling better than any other Republican in field against the Democrats and whose polling numbers in the Republican primary indicate that he is likely to be one of the two candidates in the 8/10 runoff as “Done.”

    • Capt. Jack Sparrow says:

      Apologies to Billy Joel…

      It’s 9 o’clock on a Saturday,
      The regular crowd shuffles in
      There’s an old man sitting next to me
      Makin love to his contracts with no bids

      He says, Son, can you play me a auto inspection memory
      I’m not really sure how it goes
      But it began years ago and it made me very rich
      When I wore a congressman’s clothes

      Give us some numbers, you’re the Insider Advantage Man
      Give us some poll numbers tonight
      Well were all in the mood for a primary
      And you’ve got us feeling alright

      Now John at the bar is a friend of mine
      He gets me my PAC checks for free
      And he’s quick with a joke or to get you to buy wine
      But there’s some place he’d rather be.

      He says Bill I believe this is killing me
      As he remembered his Oscar trip last year
      I’m sure that I could be a movie star
      If I could just get out potential indictments here

      Now Ray is a state’s rights novelist
      Who never had time for a wife (to properly age)
      And he’s talking with Jeff, who’s still in the margin of error
      Will I get sued for making a joke about his life

      The former Pro Tem is practicing politics
      As the former SOS gets momentum
      Yes they are sharing a drink called decent-itus
      But it’s better than drinking alone

      Give us some numbers, you’re the Insider Advantage Man
      Give us some poll numbers tonight
      Well were all in the mood for a primary
      And you’ve got us feeling alright

      It’s a pretty good crowd for the primary
      And the TV Station gives me a smile
      Cause he knows it’s me I love to see on camera
      To talk about myself for a while

      And the election, it seems like a carnival
      And the car smells like BBQ, BO & Beer
      And they sit at the bar and put bread in my jar
      And say, “Matt, we thought you died last year?”

            • Ambernappe says:

              SF,
              re: Proverbs 31 – It is my hope that you are not libelling Karen Handel with an insidious accusation that she violates the description of “industrious and faithful to her husband”.

            • The sayings of King Lemuel is the model for Christian women to follow?

              I’m assuming then that you also go by the more recent 1 Corinthians 11…

              5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off;

              So which is it? Do you cover your head when you pray or should we have a Peach Pundit head shaving party for all the women in Georgia who don’t cover their heads when they pray? 🙂

              • Ambernappe says:

                I did not bring up Proverbs 31, however, the attributes of being industrious and faithful are universal and timeless, and should apply to husbands as well ! My preferred reference in this area is in Titus.

            • John Konop says:

              SFrazier,

              You guys are sick for attacking Karen for having a medical reason for not having kids. Many woman are happily married and do not have kids because of similar reasons. For social conservatives like you to use gay bashing on a woman with this very sensitive issue to promote Nathan Deal only showed you are sick and need help ASAP. I will pray you seek help immediately.

              • SFrazier says:

                The bible teaches me to be alert to dangerous people like you. I may have lost my earthly father at a very young age but my heavenly Father will never leave me. You use a variety of deceitful tactics to alienate Christians. You take twisted pleasure in trying to divide Christians, especially if it draws a following for your evil agenda. Everyone sees through your subtle accusations and your deceitful innuendo. Grow up JK….

                • Lady Thinker says:

                  The Bible also says there are wolves in sheeps clothing so the Bible warns us about people like you. I believe you are one of those wolves as along with the pedophiles who violate children and want the church to work with them and forgive them so they don’t do jail time. Then there is no legal record when these so called Christians give in to their pedophile cravings to go out and violate kids again.

                  Your group use deceitful tactics to smear Christians who don’t believe the same as you. I am a Christian but not like you and for that, I am thankful.

  19. Silent Outrage says:

    I hate being the 95th comment… I’m down here where you REALLY have to want to read the comments to see what I have to say… So, here goes…

    Both Oxendine and Deal are damaged goods in a General Election. They are unelectable in a General Election in which all of Georgia’s voters will decide who actually is the next Governor of Georgia. Their problems aren’t a creation of make believe or spin, but rather their own personal ethical shortcomings that walk the line of legality and both could possibly face criminal indictment at any given moment for the web of lies and misdeeds that they have caused.

    John Oxendine would like for you to forget the current ethics investigation that he is facing. He would like for you to forget the hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal contributions he has had to return. He’d like you to forget the insurance executives that he “doesn’t know really well” that he goes hunting with. He’d prefer you not look into his past and see that he was investigated by the state for outlandish spending on multiple vehicles as Commissioner. He’d like for you to not know about how he practically shakes down the insurance executives for campaign contributions to prop up his campaign.

    Then there is Nathan Deal. Until this race, Nathan Deal was one of the mos boring Members of Congress from Georgia. There is a funny thing about those boring quiet types – they are usually hiding something! In fact, Nathan was hiding the fact that he had a kick-back n0 bid contract with the State of Georgia that made him a millionare. We’re all entitled to our own opinion, but not to our own facts and the facts speak for themself about how corrupt and ethically challenged this man from Washington is. What’s worse, there is a fully documented report with all the facts to go with the accusations and still, some people are turning a blind eye to the open out right corruption. Top it off with his inherent racism and you’d think he was a candidate out of the 50’s. Ghetto Grandmothers and asking for the President’s birth certificate – seriously? It would be funny if the stakes weren’t so high. Nathan Deal’s no-bid make me rich contract reminds me of the actions of Charles Walker and his son Champ. If you recall, Champ had a state contract that paid him well, all along no one knew about it until you started digging a little bit. Who else in our government, who is serving or wants to serve, is double dipping?

    Georgia has the opportunity to elect a Governor who can really turn the corner in terms of Conservative Government. I personally submit that Karen Handel is the only logical conservative alternative, if you truly want someone to clean up government and make it work effectively and efficiently. She hasn’t been part of the problem for the past 10+ years. She hasn’t been part of the get along crowd that funds pet projects over Georgia priorities that has let run away budgets grow unchecked at the expense of Georgia’s families.

    If we are stupid and nominate Oxendine or Deal – or for that matter someone who has been part of the status quo for the past 10+ years – most logically thinking people with common sense will draw the conclusion when all is said and done that all are corrupt politicians as usual who cannot be trusted and thus will go with the devil they know over the devil they don’t and by that I mean returning Roy Barnes to the Governor’s Mansion.

    • Mayonnaise says:

      I tune out anyone who uses the phrase “status quo”. It’s a crappy liberal phrase that means nothing. Hillary Handel is running a campaign based on her genitalia. That is no different than running based on the color of your skin. Let’s see….Marilyn Quayle’s staff ….. Fulton County Commission … Secretary of State ….. running for Governor …… ya, definitely not a career politician or part of the “status quo” …. give me break.

    • B Balz says:

      With GOP division trending upwards in polling numbers, it will be interesting to see what the Dem poll digits show.

      If the Dem numbers indicate consolidated support of Mr. Barnes, I’d have to say, with the utmost regret, ‘bartsimpsonisright’.

      • Silent Outrage says:

        Was never not pro-bono — they pay supporters? I’m also just tired of the BS of politics and the lack of common sense. That goes for the state level as well as the national level of the Republican Party.

    • Will Harrison says:

      “In fact, Nathan was hiding the fact that he had a kick-back (sic) n0 bid (sic) contract with the State of Georgia that made him a millionare (sic).” -Silent Outrage

      If by “hiding,” you mean publicly disclosing on his annual Congressional financial disclosure forms all of his investments, then I guess you could be considered correct.

      If by “he had a kick-back no bid contract,” you mean he was an investor in one of the nine companies that used to (among other lines of business) provide safety inspections for vehicles for a user fee under a pilot program that was created by the State of Georgia, then I guess you could be correct.

      However, if you want to claim that Nathan Deal, a man with a thirty-year record of honorable public service, is corrupt, then maybe you want to start by getting your basic facts correct, and you should probably find something other than a claim that was so clearly without merit that the House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct (a Committee chaired by a Democrat) CHOSE NOT to even have a preliminary hearing on it.

      • Will Harrison says:

        And by the way, if this vehicle inspection program was so inefficient and corrupt, then why did Karen Handel choose to do NOTHING about it when she was Deputy Chief of Staff for the Governor of Georgia??? An administrative program of the State of Georgia is ultimately the responsibility of the Office of Governor, and as a senior staffer in the Office of Governor, Karen Handel seemed to think the program was working fine because, as far as I can tell, she never did anything to alter any part of it when she had the power to do so.

        Of course, now that she is running for Governor, she seems to think a program that she used to oversee was corrupt.

        • Will Harrison says:

          It certainly does seem that the Handelistas want to have their cake and eat it too on this topic.

            • Henry Waxman says:

              Let me help clarify:

              1. Karen Handel had oversight authority over the auto inspection program and did absolutely nothing about it.

              2. Now, Handel’s supporters are claiming that there was something unethical about the auto inspection program.

              3. Some people think it is intellectually dishonest to question the auto inspection program without questioning why Handel did absolutely nothing about the program when she had the power to do so.

              Hopefully, that is something that could be read for comprehension during an elevator ride.

                • Henry Waxman says:

                  When she was Deputy Chief of Staff of the Office of Governor, which is when “she oversaw operations in the Capitol” as she claims in her biography.

        • Lady Thinker says:

          You got proof she knew what was going on in the six months or so that she worked there?

          • Henry Waxman says:

            I hope someone has some “proof that she knew what was going on” since she is running for governor based on her experience.

            The biography on Handel’s official campaign website has a paragraph dedicated to her experience as Governor Perdue’s Deputy Chief of Staff, “where she oversaw operations in the Capitol.”

            If she was only there for six months and didn’t know what was going on, then she really should not be claiming that she “oversaw operations in the Capitol” and touting this experience as one of her primary qualifications for the Office of Governor.

    • Lady Thinker says:

      Excellent post Silent Outrage and worth going to the bottom of the page to read.

  20. ReaganRepublican says:

    The only unethical going on is Karen Handel’s lies about her career accoplishments. Not to mention all her shady deals:

    “On September 27, 2005, Handel received a contribution from Hamid Alaee. Four months later, Mr. Alaee’s company, Unique Design and Construction, received approval for a zoning modification from Handel and the Commission. Many other beneficiaries of Handel’s actions on the Fulton County Commission gave campaign contributions of up to $10,000, including Roberts Properties, Archer Western Contractors, Brown and Caldwell, Gresham Smith and Partners, John Controls, and others. In 2006, Handel received $10,000 from Fourth Quarter Properties, the real estate company involved in a notoriously shady land deal with Karen Handel’s old boss, Sonny Perdue.”

      • Capt. Jack Sparrow says:

        Let’s try and guess…

        in a meeting at the Reynolds Plantation? Nope.

        in a meeting at Goober’s No-Bid Auto Inspections? Nah.

        or maybe at a State Mutual Insurance Company briefing? Nada.

        Who knows! 🙂

    • ready2rumble says:

      There were 3 republicans on the Fulton County Commission when Handel was Chair, there were 4 democrats. She was out voted 4-3. Help me understand how she ensured any zoning was passed?

      • Lady Thinker says:

        They are not interested in facts, just lies, hate, and innuendo. They think they are top-notch Christians but they don’t even follow the teachings of the Bible. Real Christians are known by their acts, not by what the deal people do.

        • Doug Grammer says:

          “Real Christians are known by their acts, not by what the deal people do.”

          Really? That’s a comment you want by your name?? Really?

          • Lady Thinker says:

            Doug,

            I don’t need, want, crave, or desire your approval. Just so you are clear on this or any other matter.

            • Doug Grammer says:

              “Lady”

              What makes you think my approval was something you could obtain, or was that it was ever offered? I don’t know you well enough to endorse you. Occasionally, I agree with your comments, and sometimes, such as this, I think you are on a thin limb. I am asking if you approve of what you had to say to yourself. If you are fine with it, that’s your prerogative. If you like the broad brush that condemns anyone who supports Congressman Deal as non-Christian, one might question your title of “thinker.”

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