Political Ad Of The Year?

Taegan Goddard of the Political Wire says this is the best political tv ad this year. I agree. If I lived in Alabama I’d vote for this guy.

Consider this as Open Thread.

82 comments

  1. ByteMe says:

    I’d vote for his hat.

    Did the video editor have ADHD or was this guy really incapable of delivering his lines more than one sentence at a time without screwing it up?

  2. DMZDave says:

    Loved it, that ad is about the best thing to come out of Alabama since I-20. The rifle was probably a bridge too far but the message about the importance of agriculture to Alabama, the loss of the family farms, illegal immigration and not taking money from people you regulate would be a welcome message in Georgia as well.

    • ByteMe says:

      The illegal immigration was also probably a pander too far, considering who picks most of the crops in Alabama.

      • seekingtounderstand says:

        keep telling yourself those lies as justification for illegals
        the costs of illegal far outways the benefits, unless your taking advantage of cheap labor

        • ByteMe says:

          Turns out the benefits outweigh the costs. Go check the academic studies instead of the talking points.

          And we all take advantage of cheap labor, because no one in this country wants to pay more for food or building construction or … And we sure as heck don’t want to have more of our crop growing to move to countries where it’s cheaper and less regulated. So the same politicians who rail against it also secretly want it to continue because the alternatives are worse and they know it.

          • AlanR says:

            All of which is an indictment of the lack of immigration policy over the last 25 years. The federal government should have figured out a guest worker program and made it work. Its purely greed and a lack of will.

            ByteMe — do the benefits outweigh the costs when the cost of public services is included? I understand cheap labor and price, but there is also the tax burden we all pay in medical, education — I’d be interested if you recall.

            • ByteMe says:

              What I saw was that the person who comes over ends up creating their job (since it’s so cheap) and then helps employ several other people by spending money on food, clothes, etc., all the while paying sales taxes and often income withholding for taxes. And, because they aren’t documented, they pay cash for everything. It’s not just a “I’m here and take from you” situation; it’s more symbiotic.

          • macho says:

            I’ve seen studies on this issue go in any direction the funding is coming from. If you look at the border states, and how their governments are getting smothered by healthcare, welfare and education costs, it’s hard to argue the benefits of cheap labor outweigh the costs.

            I agree with you that we are all taking advantage of cheap labor for the reasons you stated. I just don’t know how we can continue with open boarders and supports and have a welfare state. We send huge mixed signals to our neighbors in the south – come to America and we’ll give you a job, deliver your babies for free, give you money to feed your kids, educate your kids, give you state of the art healthcare and make your babies citizens, but we’ll send you back if we catch you fishing without a license

            • ByteMe says:

              My understanding is that the average illegal takes less advantage of “free” things in this country than the rhetoric entails, just because they don’t want to be detected.

              The latest stories out of places like Arizona is that drug-oriented crime is way up, just because of all the illegals running drugs over the border there. Except the FBI says that violent crime there is actually going down. Hard to reconcile the two unless you accept that anecdotal evidence is not really evidence of anything other than a good anecdote.

              The interesting thing about the welfare state is that it takes a certain number of people to support the people who are not working. We are down to 3:1 I think right now and as people live longer, the numbers don’t get better. So how do we reverse that trend? Immigration is one logical answer.

              I think building a 2000-mile long wall might be the best answer to securing the borders, but we still have to accept that we have about 12 million here without papers who need to come out of the shadows and either go back home or get on the path to being a citizen with no real penalty either way as long as they come out of the shadows. But the wall needs to come first.

              • TheEiger says:

                I think your “understanding” may be off on the topic of health care. Please explain to me how an illegal alien going to the hospital and getting “free” care is not a burden on our nation’s health care system. When millions of people are getting something for free I would call that taking advantage of the situation.

                • ByteMe says:

                  Absolutely, in some places, illegals are receiving emergency care. No doubt. Did you also know that the South is where the highest number of uninsured people live? Where do they get their health care — and they’re citizens — and who pays for it? If you say “well, they pay for themselves”, isn’t it possible that some illegals do as well?

                  But also understand that illegals aren’t going to wander into an emergency room — or the DMV — unless it’s an emergency, just because it’s another opportunity for someone to notice that they don’t have documentation.

                  • Doug Grammer says:

                    Perhaps they should stop breaking the law and go home…..then they wouldn’t be worried about getting caught breaking the law.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      No problem. Let me know when you have any other criminals you want to make excuses for.

                    • B Balz says:

                      Hey Doug,

                      The US has a national security asset that money cannot buy with Latino’s. They are naturally against muslim extremists because of the way they treat women. Latino’s have reverence toward women, deeply ingrained in their culture.

                      For example, their language is based on male/female tenses. The US must get past ‘stop breaking the law and go home…’ mindset and resolve the economic reasons (cheap labor) that drive the issue.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      The excuse was that illegal aliens won’t use tax dollars in the ER because they don’t want to be shipped home. How much does it cost us to educate illegal aliens? The drain on school systems is higher than visits to the ER.

                      B Balz,
                      I am not discussing Latino’s. I am discussing criminals who could be any ethnicity. Do you take into account that a bank robber may have a reverence towards women? Do you really think that with 10% (real numbers closer to 20%) unemployment that there are legal jobs that will only be done by criminals?

                    • ByteMe says:

                      What I view as reality, you think of as an excuse. Ok, I understand your comprehension issue now.

                      I am actually aware of the drain on some schools — specifically the one my kids are about to enter — by the ESOL crowd. But that’s also true of pretty much any immigrants and not just illegal ones. Asian kids are also ESOL until they catch on. On the other hand, wouldn’t you rather they be in school learning how to read and write and do something to better their life and to better appreciate this country than staying at home hidden away or to have stayed in their own home country and continued their cycle of abject poverty? Of course you wouldn’t.

                      Do you have actual numbers of how much it costs the schools for illegal immigrant kids? Truly curious whether this is a huge ACTUAL problem or just a huge perception problem, as is often the case with emotionally charged issues.

                      And you want to try to equate “bank robbery” with illegal immigration. How ridiculous. You want a sub-minimum-wage job to stand in the fields picking peanuts or climbing trees to pick peaches? No?? Why not? You know anyone who does? No? Oh, you think the farmers should pay more for people to do that? You ready to pay for that at the grocery store or in the way the free market will change so that more of our food is imported?

                      Really, it’s nice to have principles that exist in a vacuum. But reality isn’t so clean.

                    • B Balz says:

                      Doug has a good point, a scan of the DeKalb or Gwinnett County jail intake clearly shows why our Police shake their heads over the term ‘profiling.’ Many of the illegals that were working are now idle; liquor, drugs, and boredom are not good for law enforcement.

                      1.) Immigration reform MUST address the 12MM people living in the US, ILLEGALLY. My point is, sending them back is a bad idea because we will alienate a group of folks that for the most part, are allies to the US. They do love us!

                      2.) Reform must change the economic incentive for people to come to the US illegally. Until we remove the root cause for illegal immigration, jobs, walls are made to be climbed. A wall will help, but if we eliminate the reasons to come here, they become less important.

                      Doug, my point is that we have a group of people, specifically Latinos that share many of our core values. Nobody seems to understand that most illegals are criminals due to poorly written, antiquated immigration law, and not malevolent people.

                      I am speaking specifically about Latino’s, BTW. That is the largest group of illegals.

                      What we have is an unregistered, undocumented, ILLEGAL group of 12MM or more people, some of whom are flat out criminals or mentally unstable, we just don’t know.

                      The majority of them simply want to work, and work they do. Register them, get them paying taxes, and put them on a plan to gain ‘registered worker’ status, not citizenship. Change immigration law to allow educated folks into the US; the current H-1 program is absurd.

                      This is an issue the GOP could make a centerpiece plank of reform. Or we can rally up an indignant mob and blow an opportunity that will only present itself once.

                    • Doug Grammer says:

                      If there are legal immigrants coming to the US and applying for citizenship, they should learn English before being granted citizenship. As parents, they bear the responsibility of teaching their children the language of whatever country they decide to live in.

                      The problem of illegal immigrants is not a new one. It has been here for 25 years or more, and it is just compounding. We are better off than the vast majority of the countries of the world. We just don’t have room for everyone in poverty across the world.

                      It’s hard to come up with actual costs for a group of people who don’t want to be found. Common sense just tells us the number of illegal aliens in the country costs us money in terms of education, health care, infrastructure, identity theft, lack of insurance in auto accidents, drug dealing, and other government provided services and that would cost more than whatever they do to improve then economy by working for compensation below minimum wage. (breaking yet another law.) I’d pay more for food if I knew that I was not subsidizing an illegal activity. If you are OK with paying below minimum wage, why aren’t you OK with slavery?

                      I am 100% fine with sending all of them back, but I understand the logistics of that are very challenging. I am fine with alienating a bunch of criminals. Of course they love us. The standard of living here is much higher than where they are from. As I said before, we don’t have room for everyone across the world.

                      We need to change the law about people born in the US are automatically citizens. That is an antiquated law from when it took 3 months to get here by ship. I am OK with a “registered worker status” provided it is enacted quickly, so it doesn’t provide incentive for more to cross the border. I liked the idea of a $5,000 fine that could be spread out over a 3 year period.
                      12,000,000 X $5,000 = 60,000,000,000. I like the idea of jail to for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. There needs to be huge fines or jail time for paying illegal immigrants below minimum wage. The real challenge is to help get other nations to raise their standard of living so they won’t have as much motivation to come here. If I knew how to do that with no problems, I would have really ran for congress.

              • B Balz says:

                The health care aspect of illegal aliens is a big problem that is growing fast. Byte’s other comments are spot-on.

                I suggest an open thread on the issue, here is one quick point often overlooked:

                Most of our Latino neighbors are the best sort of immigrants we could encourage. Everyone would agree they men work hard and are generally decent employees. Latinos are socially conservative, they want lots of kids, and they really believe in America.

                Making sure our Latino neighbors continue to cherish America is a matter of National Security. How we handle this issue could determine the welfare of the US.

      • Game Fan says:

        For the most part illegals are more closely associated with agribusiness and the factory farm rather than the mom and pop operation. Yeah, I know. There’s the horror stories of how some guy can’t get nobody to pick his ‘maters.

  3. Chris says:

    We should be, but given no one challenged Cagle, the drunk driver Harbin is still head of appropriations, the ethics reform was pitiful at best, and legislators are touting their access to the halls of power as lobbyists, we sadly, are not.

    • forthepeople says:

      Alabama thinks they have problems in agriculture commissioners race. Gary Black is a lobbyist and all of his money is coming from the people he would regulate, if elected.

    • ByteMe says:

      The political consultants would have to dub in the audio using someone with a deeper voice.

      • Technocrat says:

        As a fellow squeeker I consider that racial profiling. All males don’t have the same amount of vile testosterone just as many women have too much.

          • Technocrat says:

            4.7% of males suffer from high voices after puberty.
            Discrimination against a known protected minority – white men!
            I have always wondered if you don’t have PUBERPHOBIA?
            A specific sign of and concern for your obvious discrimination of voices.

            Maybe we should require all candidates to inhale a suitable amount of helium to normalize debates.
            Not to be confused with Silly voice phobia as outline in Monty Python

            • ByteMe says:

              I have always wondered if you don’t have PUBERPHOBIA?

              Then you spend a little too much time wondering about me.

    • Clint Austin says:

      No doubt. He did it in three takes, and swung the rifle around at the cameraman in one of the takes, so he’s a little lacking in the muzzle control department too – but this is an hysterical spot!

      • BuckheadConservative says:

        He’s not running for Attorney General, so hopefully it won’t be an issue. I’ve won 5 votes for him with my friends in Alabama already today. One e-mail.

  4. iamnotasocialist says:

    Dude, I’m a freaking Democrat, and my testosterone just told me that the yelling and the gun means I should vote for him.

  5. Icarus says:

    A couple of the folks behind the ad were at our Sine Die roadshow event at Max Lagers. I met them via Jason Pye and Daniel Adams. That night was when their earlier ad for AL Gov candidate Tim James, “we speak English”, produced by Fred Davis, was discussed on the O’Riley factor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9ohsvJHkbY&sns=em

    While a relatively new company, they seem to be able to generate significant earned media for their clients.

    The consultants involved are at ForwardFocusMedia.com and iCaucus.com, and the producer of the Peterson ad is FilmLadd.com.

    • The General says:

      So this is coming from the same folks as the Tim “We’re Americans, We speak American” James ad? God Bless Alabama.

  6. In The Arena says:

    And to think that north metro Atlanta might be competing against this guy for water.

      • polisavvy says:

        Bahahaha!! That was a funny comeback, Byte! That was a hysterical ad. I would have a hard time taking any candidate seriously if they appeared in an ad like that. Did like the look on the horse’s face though, it was like WTF?

  7. seekingtounderstand says:

    Damn!!! where are the real men in Georgia…..
    We only have boys who whine

  8. BuckheadConservative says:

    Man, I like this guy. You better believe when Joe Sixpack walks into the voting booth he’s going to remember Dale Patterson and his .3030 lever action rifle.

    • benevolus says:

      And that is an unfortunate thing, because I’m not sure that imagery is any indication of what makes for a good Ag Commissioner.

      • I think most farmers would probably disagree. He’s comfortable on a horse. Farmers have guns. He appears to be tough. I think he’d be exactly the kind of person most people in the Ag field would want on the job.

        Alternatively, what do you think would make a good Ag Commissioner?

        • ByteMe says:

          Did you see the horse gallop with him on it? He could be as comfortable on that horse as I am… which is to say, not very, but know how to fake it.

        • benevolus says:

          What, is he going to strengthen the law for varmint shootin’ or something?
          He’s such a tough guy, there’s a good chance many of the people he would regulate are employing illegal workers. Is he going to be tough on those farmers?

          • ByteMe says:

            If anyone knows an easy way to get rid of chipmunks that doesn’t involve a gun or a Rube Goldberg contraption, let us know…..

                • B Balz says:

                  My wife hates the little critters, she gardens, big time. I eat what they don’t get…

                  Pellet guns are OK, air guns and the like. But they are just trying to live, man…

            • Byte – there are two other options that I know of. Option 1 – Dachshund. Option 2 – cat. I walked out the door this morning to find a dead chipmunk, which I’m assuming had to have been the cat, as the dogs only go outside to play and do their business. The cat also occasionally brings us moles, mice and other rodents. If only it would get the squirrels (overgrown rats).

              But yes, we bought a pellet gun specifically for it’s “pest control” abilities.

              • ByteMe says:

                Dachshund’s funny. Cat’s problematic (Mrs. ByteMe’s allergies). Can I really kill them with a pellet gun?? I thought that was a no-no…?

                • The Dachshunds have killed quite a list of rodents around our place – chipmunks, moles, birds, rabbits. Our cat stays outside probably 75 percent of the time. We used to hate him and suspect that he was feral. (We rescued him from behind an ice machine at a convenience store that he crawled behind and got stuck.) He’s gotten better over the years, but can still be a menace at times.

                  The pellet gun I bought at Walmart specifically said it would work on rodents and pests. I’ve never heard that it’s a no-no.

                  • Lady Thinker says:

                    Here is a news link to the Gainesville Times regarding discharging firearms that I think best reflects the municiple codes across the entire state.

                    http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/archive/9154/

                    Basically, firing any weapon from a pellet rifle to an AK-47 is based on common sense. The law doesn’t mean a person has to contact a lawyer for advice when one has a rabid dog charging him/her/or someone’s children or a ten-foot long snake slithering around the outside of one’s city residence.

                    The Alabama ad showed the candidate with a rifle and I bet the majority of Georgia farmers have a rifle or shotgun for a variety of rodents in their fields.

                    I don’t believe one can shoot a deer eating up the garden out of deer season so I defer that quesiton to the DNR.

  9. Lady Thinker says:

    I liked the ad and the guy although he came across as a combination of drill sergeant and a no-nonsense state trooper. He said he had been a cop and a Marine and it shows. He obviously supports the Second Amendment.

  10. Doug Grammer says:

    I’d vote for both of them if I lived in Alabama. I might vote for the horse as a (ride-in) write-in.

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