He should drop out. But he won’t. You know, it is a conspiracy by all the big, bad lefties.
Gandee said her relationship with McBerry took place eight years ago, over a period of several months. At the time, Gandee was 16-years-old.
“I guess it was like any relationship when you first start off you know, [kind of] kissing, a little bit of this, a little bit of that. It just [kind of] grew from there to what eventually happens,” Gandee recalled.
Gandee said she and McBerry had sex one time.
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Isn’t he suing her family? What a nutjob..He should drop out, but we all know that he will not do that.
You just made the list, Erick.
How about everyone who posts in the comments?
Pretty sure Al Gore will be getting a summons for inventing the internet.
+ Y2K
I’m replying because I want to be part of the conspiracy.
I’ll join that whole part of the conspiracy thing, too. He’s lower than pond scum!
I agree he is lower than pond scum. There is only one person in the governor’s race who had the guts to call him out on it – Handel
And that is why that even though I had to change from Republican Lady because of computer problems, I still STRONGLY support Karen Handel for Georgia’s Governor.
From Ray’s press release (http://www.georgiafirst.org/candidate/pr_ray_mcberry_responds_to_recent_attacks.shtml):
“As for my lone opponent who has said that if I do not withdraw from the race, she will no longer attend any debates or forums that I attend… I can only say that I completely understand why Karen Handel would say that. If I were Karen, I would not wish to debate Ray McBerry either… but not for the reasons that she has implied… but, rather, because she loses so badly each time that we debate. She simply cannot keep up with myself or any of the other candidates in this race and has been looking for an excuse to exempt herself from debating me for some time. As she read the words prepared for her by someone else Saturday in Dunwoody, she was visibly shaken and trembled at the podium. She betrayed her own conscience in reading that statement, just two days after laughing and joking with me in LaGrange and playing with my son with his Hotwheels car. Karen has demonstrated that when important issues arise, she can only follow the orders given to her by handlers behind the scenes. That is NOT the kind of leadership that is needed from Georgia’s next governor. We already have that kind. “
This is so full of lies and delusions that it is not even worth addressing.
What catchy conspiracy name will the campaign come up with?
Vast RINO-Wing Conspiracy….Vast Squishy Moderate Conspiracy….Big Government Lover Conspiracy……Lib’ral AJC/SWGA Politics Conspiracy Against the Consitution….others?
did the gop let mcberry sign the pledge of allegiance to the party? if yes, what is the punishment for failing to be a sane, decent human being?
where is sue everhart?
Answer is yes, he did sign. Any applicable punishment is going on now and you are reading it. She’s probably in Cobb County reading this too.
thanks doug. this is punishment? getting blasted on a blog? where is sue everhart standing up in support of karen’s call to keep mcberry out of any gop sponsored debate?
the georgia gop bans a conservative businessman who has created many jobs in our state while allowing a child molesting dirtbag to run for governor under its’ banner. sue everhart should resign for dereliction of duty along with all other members of the ga gop executive committee.
Three jack,
Ray Boyd banned himself. I don’t want to speak for Sue, but I believe in the primary system and letting the voters in the Republican primary decide who our nominees will be. Ten people in a smoke filled room deciding whose turn it is to hold office isn’t done by the GOP in 2010. As a member of the state EC, I’m not resigning. I trust the voters.
Perhaps the situation is overblown and voters will dismiss Mr. McBerry summarily, based on the whatever bits of information they assimilate prior to an election.
This mini-mini-saga reminds me of a buffet where the Chef has put out food that may be contaminated, and feels his guests are safe if they smell everything prior to eating. Most of the time, guests will reject tainted food. If they don’t, is it their fault for getting sick???
Putting the onus on the voter to vet a candidate, seems like a good idea –Until it’s not. Then the ‘brand’ suffers.
You’re assuming this is the only place this information is being published. The AJC just had a pretty extensive piece this past weekend on his teenage girl issues and it wasn’t any better than the treatment he gets here.
And people wonder why they a hard when they say they are frum heah…
Fox 5 is on the list to get sued. Obviously, us as SWGAPolitics are on the list (Jeff was a given, but I’ve been angling to get my name on the suit. I don’t want to get left out). Jim Galloway at the Atlanta Journal is most likely on the list.
Oh yes. McBerry should drop out, but he won’t. He’s gonna grandstand and pretend that he’s going to get us because we said something he doesn’t like.
So how long before this whole thing ends in a blaze of gunfire and spiked kook-aid in South America?
BTW, I am Republican Lady but had to change my name because of computer IP Address problems.
I think McBerry is trying to bully everyone into not talking about him but I guess he forgot about the First Amendment. Bullies are basically cowards to anyone willing to stand up to them.
I am sure many PP readers appreciate reading your comments. I am glad you are back posting!
Thanks for letting us know your change. Shows a lot of integrity on your part.
Ray believes in upholding the Rule of Law. Libel is against the law, and those who commit it proudly and blatantly are not lovers of this country or state. Not only do they show a disregard for the Rule of Law by their libel, but they also show it by ignoring that Ray was cleared by the Rule of Law of all allegations 8 years ago. Period.
Karen Handel bases her reckless attacks against Ray’s character on hearsay rather than the Rule of Law, which shows her blatant disregard for the due process of law.
I want a Governor who respects and upholds the Constitution and the Rule of Law with every fiber of his being. Right now, ray is showing more than ever the strength, character & backbone he has by not backing down and by ensuring that those who break the law in GA will face consequences.
Is that the same rule of law that had him file his disclosures late?
As to your question about disclosure filings being late by Ray McBerry — It is true that Ray was late in filing his campaign disclosure statement, which in and of itself is not illegal. Due to some delays by his staff in getting contributions recorded, Ray delayed filing to make sure everything being filed was accurate. He was either one or two months late and filed his disclosure statement along with paying the late fee to the proper authorities.
I don’t know about anyone else, but Margarita sounds like either he has had a few too many Margaritas or he is Ray McBerry himself. Complete speculation there, zero proof on either.
But dang… if you’re NOT drunk and/or McBerry, PLEASE, seek emergency psychological counseling. Clearly, you need it.
or the blogger known as ‘apacheangel’
ApacheAngel gave McBerry $1200 literally about a week before this story broke.
Bless her heart!
Doug, didn’t you know that there are “rules of law” and then there are “McBerry’s rules of law.” Our “rules of law” don’t apply to him.
Well, not the 14th amendment anyway. His supporters claim it isn’t valid.
Oh, yeah. That’s right. It is non-existent in their eyes. LOL!!
So are you saying the girl is lying?
OJ may be “innocent”, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t guilty.
I find it helpful to put myself in another’s position (only in terms of assessing it, not actually doing what he is alleged to have done).
If I were McBerry, and I knew the allegations of an improper relationship with a 16 year old were untrue, the first thing I would do is go to a State certified sex offender polygrapher, and take a polygraph on whether I did it or not. These people are specifically trained for such polygraphs, and done correctly, McBerry can’t fool the polygraph. When I passed, I’d make the questions and results known publicly, then dare the accuser and her family to do the same at my expense (~$250 per polygraph).
You see, a person who knows he is innocent goes for the best evidence of innocence. I don’t know enough facts to pass judgment, but if it were me being accused – I’d have my polygraph appointment set within 24 hours. And I would address every single accusation down to the finest point to show how it is false.
So, where is McBerry taking real steps to get reliable, third-party affirmation of his innocence? “Innocent until proven guilty” is what is supposed to happen in our courts – the public is not so restrained. When a man’s honor and reputation is publicly challenged, the right thing to do is to stand up to false accusers, or to admit wrongdoing. Flopping around with Clinton-like denials only makes McBerry look guilty.
McBerry supporters are accusing the media and Ms. Gandee of lying. If Rachel Gandee and the media aren’t lying, doesn’t that mean McBerry defenders are guilty of libel and/or slander?
But, of course, the Rule of Law only applies to everyone except McBerry.
Please read New York Times v. Sullivan. He has no leg to stand on legally.
How about
Lib’ral AJC/SWGA Politics, Peach Pundit, Teenage Girls, and Puppies Conspiracy Against Me as the Only Top Candidate for Governor Against Barnes and Trying to keep me from Winning the Governorship in November with my 2300 supporters.
A little long, I admit, but it includes all angles, I think.
You left out that he claims he’s the only secessionist, I mean constitutionalist in the race
It’s good to see you choose sides on this one even though McBerry is an active Republican candidate.
I’m not calling for him to drop out. I’m presenting both sides as to why he gave the cell phone (she might commit suicide/he wanted to talk without her parents knowing.) I haven’t said he’s guilty of anything, but I will comment on things like restraining orders and 7 page apology letters. I leave it up to the voters to decide what he is apologizing for. I don’t care for him telling a YR club what they have to do, and I am perplexed as to why he won’t pledge to the flag. I am committed to see the truth come out, for the truth will make us all better voters. I am trying to be just as fair with him as I would with any other candidate.
Does that mean I have taken sides? I don’t want to have to deal with calls for my impeachment. I also don’t want to tick off whatever portion of his 2300 supporters that may live in the Ninth. They are hard workers and I want to keep some of them open to the idea of supporting other GOP candidates in the future.
Such is the tightrope I walk. Doesn’t keep me from making a joke every once in a while though.
Haha! You are so very correct, Doug.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3JhbMg0K2k
The bottom line is that public figures have to prove a higher standard of libel and slander. See Falwell vs. Flynt decision. Also, if he actually inteds to sue, then why wait until November? Why not sue now? I think he is just puffing smoke and bluffing and his supporters are dumb enough to fall for it.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=485&invol=46
Thanks for that link. Interesting read. I agree with you. He should go ahead and sue (and we’ll all just sit back and sees where it leads him).
I’d like to put in a request to Mr. McBerry for That’s Just Peachy to be named in his no doubt upcoming lawsuit. That’s got to be fabulous publicity.
I think you’ve linked to us, so that’s probably enough based on what his followers have claimed on Facebook.
Not soon enough to suit me.
A real sad part about this story is the abusers tend to seek out victims that are seeking help and or very venerable. And that is why it is even more troubling knowing the background of this story.
Pretty sure you meant “vulnerable”.
YES MY BAD!!!!!
So what does Karen do now, will she actually not show up for debates?
I am wondering the same thing. I still haven’t figured out if this was a good move or not. Could have painted herself into a corner.
why is he even invited to the debates? He is not a serious candidate. He wont break double digit percentage points so why is he invited?
I totally agree with you, Romegaguy. Why is he ever considered? He’s just a small blip on the radar — a small, insignificant blip.
Ray has over 2000 supporters across GA – in fact close to 2,3000, which is more than all his opponents combined.
From a press release April 30th, 2010:
Ray McBerry was the clear winner in last night’s gubernatorial debate in west Georgia hosted by the LaGrange Patriots!
In spite of requests from the moderator for the audience to refrain from applause, it was impossible to stop the numerous outbursts of applause time and time again when it came Ray’s turn to answer the questions posed by the moderator.
In one question after another, it was obvious to everyone present that the only constitutionalist on the platform was Ray.
At the end of the debate, nearly 300 of the attendees cast their vote in a straw poll with the following results:
Ray McBerry 152 (57%)
Eric Johnson 47 (18%)
Nathan Deal 29 (11%)
Karen Handel 20 (7%)
John Oxendine 19 (7%)
Correction to typo: that’s 2,300
And when convicted child molesters in prison get the right to vote that will open up a whole new constituency for Ray.
Sorry, but I couldn’t help but laugh at this one. Very clever, AthensRepublican.
Please tell me that you don’t base everything on a straw poll? You are aware of the fact that they can be manipulated. Straw polls mean jack. What counts will be on July 20th. As I said before, he will be a small, insignificant blip on the radar (just like the last time). In other words, he shouldn’t contact the moving van.
Wow!! 2,300 supporters….. your joking right? That’s the best you can come up with?
And that HUGE number of supporters is going to help him win the election. Wow!! Talk about dazed and confused!
I was thinking the same thing. 2300 supporters and apparently 157 of them showed up at a debate and casts a meaningless straw poll.
Next you’ll tell us how popular he is by all the web hits you’re getting by telling people that McBerry’s side of the story is on his web site.
McBerryNuts™ – not just for when you’re parked alone with your underage girlfriend.
Add one more name to the lawsuit.
I can live with that. I found out years ago that it’s cheaper to play defense than to play offense in a courtroom.
From what I’ve been told, McBerry counts everyone who sends him any form of email as a volunteer…
As I recall, and I may be off some on the numbers, it takes around 15o,000 votes to win the Primary. 150,000-2300 = not enough to elect McVerry bad man.
She has already been invited to an event this Saturday sans McBerry.
I want to be sued by McBerry so I am posting in this thread.
i know handel has said she does not want to appear with him anymore, my question is will sponsoring bodies now step up and not invite him to their forums, or uninvite him to already scheduled events?
That’s the million dollar question.
I think the big sponsors will leave him out because they know he is not part of the front runners and that want a true debate(like the Atlanta Press Club), but some will undoubtedly invite him because now they know it will get instant media attention because of the Handel factor and the issues from his past.
Galloway at the AJC P/I answers “What will Karen do now?” in the short term.
The YRs of Columbia County has un-invited or not invited McDingleberry to the Columbia County event.
My question is what will happen in one of the forums in a large media outlet that films for news at 11 Karen sitting off stage and the rest on stage with McDinglebutt.
After all Handel read her statement “I will not SHARE THE STAGE….” Plenty of wiggle room there.
GOP Gubernatorial debate this Friday in Statesboro (at SHS, hosted by Statesboro Herald) currently lists these 5 as committed to attending…..
Deal
Handel
Johnson
Oxendine
Chapman
http://www.facebook.com/?=ref=home#!/event.php?eid=110625995633442&ref=mf
(thanks to Lawton for posting the link on his FB)
MacBerry might be there….I’m sure he will have most of the paparazi and media wanting to give him free publicity……
….terrible to have all the free sound bites and press…..wanting to talk to YOU…………. but for all the WRONG reasons…..
…..then again would be a good time to make an appearance…an announcement……something like…I’m gonna pull up anchor….and drift slowly back into obscurity…if at all possible…….see ya’ll later…..
Is he demanding to be invited there as well?
Yes!
Well more like bullying his way into being there.
I move to rename this blog “McBerry Media”
If he drops out, then that is a de facto admission that the charges are true. Not enough for criminal prosecution, but would be mighty interesting to a potential civil suit. The fellow won’t do anything that allows him to give up the maximum amount of plausible deniability to the various criminal and civil complaints that he might face. Plus, so long as he keeps denying it, it gives those in his circle the ability to continue believing him, or conveniently pretending that they do. In other words, pretty much the same playbook that all of the other “deny, deny, deny until proven otherwise” public figures have followed.
Isn’t it past the limit of statutaions?
statutations*
This thread, and all other McBerry related posts are way past the point of saturation…
Uh, statute of limitations? You must be a McBerry-ite – he can’t spell either. One has to wonder if he had the date the statute ran out, circled on his calendar.
Here’s an example of responsible reporting about this story:
http://www.liberty-talk.com/2010/05/georgia-rino-alert-black-gold-and-more.html
Meanwhile, Margarita, you continue to ignore the question I asked you on the other thread.
What is your explanation of Ray admitting he wrote the letter posted by SWGA politics where he admits to the girl’s father he put up a poster trying to get her to talk to him using puppies? He admitted on his website that he wrote the letter (just that he wasn’t apologizing for wrongdoing.) So, no one in his campaign finds the puppy thing at least a little off?
I am waiting for a plausible defense from you or any of his other supporters…
And I mean actually believable. Mature adults don’t put posters where young girls can see them trying to get their attention by using puppies, especially after they have been told multiple times to stay away. Friendship with the family? Please. Stop drinking the kool-aid. What would you think if that was your daughter?
I responded to you and the others on the other thread (about 45 minutes or so ago)
With “go to his web site, let’s all drive up traffic there!” instead of an actual answer. As Doug Grammar pointed out: no mention of the cell phone, no mention of whether the handwritten letter where he asks forgiveness is actually his handwriting.
#McBerryFAIL
Great post, Byte!
See my reply to Doug about that on the other thread. All this is answered best in Ray’s own words – you have to click on “more” at the bottom of each page of his press release to get to his point-by-point replies. I choose to refer people to Ray’s website because people should read his answers in his words first.
Margarita,
“Answered”, yes. “Answered” as in successfully rebutted, not so much. I’ve read his letter. You should his hand-written letter as well. It’s all about him admitting interactions with her. He’s delusional in his response; you are drinking Kool-Aide if you think his press release response reconciles his own letter.
in Ray’s own words… like the handwritten note?
Margarita,
That wasn’t a response to the asked questions, it was an avoidance of the our asked questions.
Please tell me you’re not serious in citing Liberty Talk as a legitimate news source. The lengths that these McBerry supporters will go to try to prove this guys innocence is beyond me.
After reading the comments of Margarita, one can only conclude that the dozens and dozens of McBerry-ites have completely lost their grip on reality.
Margarita notes that “it was impossible to stop the numerous outbursts of applause time and time again when it came Ray’s turn to answer the questions posed by the moderator.” While that may be true, I’d point out that the sheeple of People’s Temple also broke out in “numerous outbursts of applause” each time Rev. Jim Jones took the pulpit. In fact, before Congressman Ryan was assassinated by People’s Temple, he too received a loud and sustained round of applause as evidenced by this video.
Margarita, I think it is quite safe to say that your blind loyalty to Ray McBerry has led you to place that shall henceforth be known as “McBerryTown.”
Be wary of McBerry’s “white night,” lest you be led to a pavilion where barrels of purple Flavor Aid laced with poison awaits your consumption.
Great post, Andre! Very clever indeed.
Ray was never “cleared” of charges, because the case never went to trial. I imagine the parents wanted to spare her from the horror of facing the pedophile, furthere traumatizing her. Ray needs to answer WHY he never taught again after this incident….daddy makes deals.
That being said…Ray’s traveling circus needs to leave town, we’re just feeding the animals with our posts.
I bet none of his followers have bothered to research his story at all. Anyone, Anyone, Margarita? See you all in court!!!!
Great post Andre. I think I saw a pickup truck loaded with kool aid headed to Henry County…
RealityChic, the victim is usually drug through the mud in cases like this. I am sure they wanted to save their daughter the trauma and they had obtained a restraining order.
I am anxiously awaiting for details to immerge about his first wife.
Georgia FreedomWorks is sponsoring a gubernatorial debate May 22. We are torn between inviting Ray’s victims and allowing them a chance to address the crowd on stage or just rescinding the invitation. What do you Peach Pundit posters think we should do?
Poll on McBerry
http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/484070/
I like your poll but do you think that your second question should be split so that you have four questions instead of three questions. Just wondering.
Debbie,
Haven’t the victims already suffered enough? Fox5 has given her a chance to address the situation. I would vote for rescinding the invitation.
Someone may have already said this, but who has sex only one time?
For all those who wonder about Rachel Gandee’s veracity….just ask yourself, what does she have to gain? Money, no. Fame – she doesn’t want it. All she has to gain is a big fat lawsuit by Good Ole Ray. Yet she still came forward. Check your facts – her mom came forward in 2006 but no one would pick up the story.
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