Making Georgia Proud

March 31, 2010 21:38 pm

by Chris · 131 comments

Congressman Hank Johnson (D-GA), inquires of a US Admiral, whether or not Guam, an island that is 24 miles by 7 miles, might capsize if we deploy 8000 Marines. Epic Stupidity begins at the 1:15 mark.

H/t to Joe at the Tax Foundation.

TheGOPman March 31, 2010 at 9:48 pm

Holy flap jacks Batman, the island may capsize!

Pine Knot March 31, 2010 at 9:53 pm

Embarrassing to the state of Georgia.

Buzzfan March 31, 2010 at 9:56 pm

I think my brain just shivered.

fishtail March 31, 2010 at 10:16 pm

Mayday! Mayday!…this is Hank Johnson=, could someone please come save my drown’ng ass!!!

macho March 31, 2010 at 10:20 pm

Vernon is on his way.

Dave March 31, 2010 at 10:21 pm

LOL! Un-freaking-believable! Where is Cynthia McKinney when we need her!

Henry Waxman March 31, 2010 at 10:33 pm

The admiral should have just promised to train all base personnel to run to the opposite side of the island in the event the island started to tip over…

NorthGeorgiaGirl March 31, 2010 at 10:34 pm

Because, as every intelligent environmentalist knows, all islands are just giant rafts that must always be kept in balance.

GOPGeorgia March 31, 2010 at 10:40 pm

Don’t rock the boat congressman…You might hit a coral reef or those kinds of things.

DMZDave March 31, 2010 at 10:42 pm

I am always ready to take shots at Democrats but this is out of context. I believe he was making a satirical point about the overall impact of 8000 Marines in addition to thousands of Navy and Air Force personnel on the culture, resources and infrastructure of the island. The Japanese want the Marines out of Okinawa because every 6 months or so, some lonely Marine rapes a local and that tends to make the locals testy just as it would outside Camp Lejune. The Marines are looking for some place, any place in the Pacific because in the days before C-17s and roll-on, roll-off and pre-positioned equipment ships, it made good strategic sense to be forward deployed in the Pacific. The problem with Guam is there are no training areas, ranges, maneuver areas anywhere on Guam or nearby so those forward deployed troops cannot train and if thrown into combat, will not be combat ready on day one. The Administration is asking for $10B for construction for just this year in Guam and for what? When the Philippines were suggesting we needed to get out of Subic Bay, the Marines and the Navy said repeatedly that Guam was a bad idea and resisted any suggestion they should deploy there. Now suddenly it’s a great idea. It’s not.

It is beyond crazy and someone needs to pull the plug on this Guamanian pork project. (The Guam Governor says he needs $3B for infrastructure in addition to the $10B). If the Japanese persist in tossing the Marines out of Okinawa, we need to bring the Marines back to the US, spend the money here where the Marines can train and have access to quality training resources and ranges, deploy them in theater for quality interoperability training with our allies and stop this crazy and ridiculously wasteful plan. The Marines won’t “capsize” Guam but I think I know where the Congressman was headed with his question and why and he’s right. We are about to find ourselves having to hitch a ride into space with the Russians and ceding the last frontier to the Chinese and the Russians. I’d rather spend that $10B where it matters and where we really must maintain our strategic advantages.

Harry March 31, 2010 at 10:52 pm

Good comment. Another day, another $10 billion wasted.

GOPGeorgia March 31, 2010 at 10:53 pm

Uh DMZDave,

You realize that Guan is part of the U.S. just like Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and the Northern Mariana Islands? They are called territories.

In the video, it doesn’t look like the Navy said repeatedly that Guam was a bad idea.

Rick Day March 31, 2010 at 11:19 pm

Have you ever known the military to ever want to give up ANYTHING?

DMZDave April 1, 2010 at 2:30 pm

Uh, GOP, it’s Guam not Guan. I am aware that Guam is a territory represented and represented in the Congress. I have visited the island and the military bases there a number of times. Once in 1991 when the Navy Admiral who commanded the naval station at the time argued that it would be a bad idea to increase the military population. When I suggested the Marines be returned “back to the US,” I meant CONUS where they would have access to the kinds of ranges and maneuver areas the military needs to maintain their readiness. Hawaii and Alaska, however, might offer a better alternative than Guam and would have the advantage of keeping the Marines somewhat forward stationed.

TheGOPman March 31, 2010 at 10:58 pm

OMG Do you work for Hank Johnson? Only someone that is trying to cover for such a stupid statement would vomit the crap you just did above. Nice spin…try helping him out on his anatomy lesson on don’t ask don’t tell from last week…it was just as stupid!

DMZDave April 1, 2010 at 2:41 pm

To TheGOPman: How does someone vomit crap? Didn’t your 10th grade English teacher explain why you should never mix your metaphors? I thought I was providing an informed explanation of the issues on Guam and why fiscally responsible Republicans might want to examine the military’s decision to sink $10B in military construction and $3B in infrastructure with billions more required in the out years into Guam where the payoff is simply not worth the investment.

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 3:07 pm

DNZDave I don’t have a problem with the money issue that you laid out here at all…I have a problem with you wrapping your common sense and intelligence into defending an idiot! Some if not most of your comments make good sense, but you weren’t on the panel talking to the Admiral. Hank Johnson was and should have brought these subjects up for himself. I hardly doubt you would have made the comments and the mistakes he did.

And as for learning metaphors, it was the 8th grade. The same place I learned that the word crap, doesn’t only have one meaning… that being a substance that only comes out of one place.

Game Fan April 3, 2010 at 11:24 pm

I like DMZDave’s comments. Seems like an “average Joe” who addresses the issues that he knows about first, before considering this or that politician who probably doesn’t know as much about the issue.

Henry Waxman March 31, 2010 at 11:04 pm

Actually, I’m pretty sure he thinks that islands float…

John Konop April 1, 2010 at 5:53 am

DMZDAVE

Good post all should read!

aquaman April 1, 2010 at 7:27 am

With the exception of the defense of Johnson and the gratuitous rape remark perhaps. Johnson wasn’t referring to the impact of the additional personnel on the “culture, resources and infrastructure of the island”. He was concerned about its size. My only question is; why worry about global warming if islands float?

John Konop April 1, 2010 at 9:10 am

You might find this interesting from the military. The military does think GW is an issue with islands.

….U.S. intelligence officials are drafting a national intelligence assessment that will list those countries thought to be most vulnerable to sea-level rises and political instability resulting from global warming, said Michele Brunngraber, an intelligence official in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

The assessment, which is expected to be finished by late spring or early summer, will take a more detailed, geographic look at the national security implications of global warming than a report released in May 2007 by a panel of retired U.S. three- and four-star generals and admirals, Brunngraber said April 9 during a panel discussion at the National Space Symposium in Colorado Springs, Colo. National intelligence assessments tend to be less quantitative than the better known national intelligence estimates, she said after her talk.

It is not just low-lying, developing countries that need to be thinking about the possible physical implications of rising sea levels, said former Army official Ray Clark, who as an assistant Army secretary from 1999 through 2001 was responsible for caring for the Army’s 2,000 installations around the world.

“If we don’t find some ways to mitigate [the effects of global warming] … this next round of base closures is going to be really a terror,” Clark said.

For instance, suppose U.S. officials decide to consolidate facilities at Guam, he said. “Do we have a clue as to how many years we have until rising sea water affects that?” Clark said.

Clark said the next U.S. presidential administration should create a new secretary of environment and energy to get those agencies working together to curb global warming instead of at cross purposes. But he said military officials will need to adapt to warming because its effects are coming faster than efforts to curb warming…..

http://www.c4isrjournal.com/story.php?F=3473887

GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 9:23 am

JK.

Now show us the study that proves the island will tip over.

John Konop April 1, 2010 at 9:32 am

GOP,

Do you disagree with the military and if so why?

GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 10:04 am

JK,

I’ll answer your question when you can prove the island will tip over.

On second thought, I’ll answer it now. I’ll just say that you owe me proof that the island will tip over.

“The military” has about 1.5 million active and another 1.5 million in reserve. I’ll agree that the best use of the military is to destroy (and possibly capture) our enemies and to break things. I’ll say that I believe in a strong, trained, and prepared military. I agree with the military in those broad sweeping terms.

Asking me if I agree with an article from C4ISR Journal.com is another matter. I had never heard of them until today and don’t know that I should trust them.

Please don’t ask me another question on this thread without showing that the island will tip over.

John Konop April 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm

GOP,

BOTTOM LINE, you do not trust the military.

GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 8:04 pm

Bottom line, you don’t speak for me. EVER.

John Konop April 1, 2010 at 8:07 pm

GOP

What was your point?

…“The military” has about 1.5 million active and another 1.5 million in reserve. I’ll agree that the best use of the military is to destroy (and possibly capture) our enemies and to break things. I’ll say that I believe in a strong, trained, and prepared military. I agree with the military in those broad sweeping terms….

GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 8:19 pm

My first point is you asked if I trusted the military and it was a trap to see if agreed with your link you post that WAS NOT DONE BY THE MILITARY. I trust the military to defeat our enemies and break things.

My most current point is that you will never be able to say what I think or how I feel with my blessings. First, it’s none of your XXXX business. Second, I don’t think you can communicate your own message clearly, let alone mine. I wish you’d take that “I told you so crap” and get rid of it. You have a habit of thread jacking and bringing up topics that have nothing to do with the thread. This thread is about Congressman Hank Johnson saying something stupid. By trying to bring up that the military believes in global warming, I think that makes you less credible than Congressman Johnson.

John Konop April 2, 2010 at 4:21 pm

GOPGeorgia,

Johnson was talking about global warming issues via his comment. The truth is the military agrees with Johnson. And if you disagree with the point Johnson was making than you disagree with the military.

GOPGeorgia April 2, 2010 at 4:51 pm

JK,

Do YOU think the island will tip over? By your logic, either you agree with the Congressman or you don’t. Which is it?

John Konop April 4, 2010 at 8:03 am

GOP

The Military does think the island Johnson was referring to is at a tipping point of an environmental disaster. Why do you disagree with the military?

…..“If we don’t find some ways to mitigate [the effects of global warming] this next round of base closures is going to be really a terror,” Clark said.

For instance, suppose U.S. officials decide to consolidate facilities at Guam, he said. “Do we have a clue as to how many years we have until rising sea water affects that?” Clark said.

Clark said the next U.S. presidential administration should create a new secretary of environment and energy to get those agencies working together to curb global warming instead of at cross purposes. But he said military officials will need to adapt to warming because its effects are coming faster than efforts to curb warming…..

John Konop April 4, 2010 at 8:08 am

GOP,

Why do you think the military is wrong?

…. The scientists and military leaders held out hope that dramatic cuts in fossil fuel emissions could prevent much of the harm they are predicting. But they said the U.S. government – and the rest of the world – has to act now…..

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,132519,00.html

GOPGeorgia April 5, 2010 at 9:17 am

JK,

Do YOU think the island will tip over?
Answer the question if you want any reply from me.

benevolus April 1, 2010 at 9:31 am

Disputed isle in Bay of Bengal disappears into sea

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_sc/as_india_disappearing_island

GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 10:06 am

Hi Benev,

I looked at the names of the islands in your link. Aren’t Lohachara and Ghoramara Godzilla foes?

benevolus April 1, 2010 at 12:30 pm

I think you may be right! And if they’re not they should be!

B Balz April 1, 2010 at 9:38 am

Good post John.

What I find interesting is the US military has such a strong interest and stated opinion on global warming. Given DoD has some of the best scientists at its’ disposal, their concern about global warming should make everyone sit up and pay attention to this issue.

Global Warming: It’s not just for Liberals anymore.

aquaman April 1, 2010 at 2:07 pm

JK,

The military should be prepared for any eventuality so them having a “position” on global warming/climate change isn’t surprising. But one article from a “trade” publication isn’t exactly proof of anything more.

John Konop April 1, 2010 at 2:18 pm

This is not just any trade publication!

…..C4ISR Journal and its Web site, C4ISRJournal.com, are published by Army Times Publishing Company, a part of Gannett Company, Inc., and the world’s largest publisher of professional military and defense periodicals, with a strong heritage and tradition of meeting the highest standards of independent journalism. Since its inception in 1940, the company has expanded with distinct publications serving all branches of the U.S. military, the global defense community, the U.S. federal government, and several special-interest defense-oriented industry sectors.

Army Times Publishing Company is organized into three market sector groups to effectively cover the needs of the consumer and business-to-business communities served by its publications:

1. The Military Times Media Group, which publishes the Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times newsweeklies;
2. the Defense News Media Group, which publishes Defense News, Armed Forces Journal, Training & Simulation Journal, and C4ISR Journal (Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance); and
3. the Federal Times newsweekly.

About The Defense News Media Group
Defense News Media Group is the world’s leading group of professional defense trade periodicals. Publications in the Defense News Media Group include Armed Forces Journal, Defense News, Training & Simulation Journal and Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Journal. Each publication is the leader in its particular market segment…..

http://www.c4isrjournal.com/index.php?S=aboutus

aquaman April 1, 2010 at 3:40 pm

Yeah I know. I can read their PR material too. The point is you reference an article about a publication that isn’t out yet and jump to the conclusion that the DOD believes global warming is a real threat. It may be that they do but I’m not willing to make that leap on the strength of a 300 word article in a trade magazine.

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 3:46 pm

Aquaman, I’ve seen in a number of other places where they are VERY concerned about it. Our biggest military strength is our ability to project our strength via the oceans and with the polar caps melting and creating additional sea lanes as well as the possibility that several of our island bases might be hit by additional hurricanes or rising tides, they are already doing contingency planning. It’s not about “warming vs. not warming”, but what happens with an unprecedented warming of the oceans that might create situations for which they might not be prepared. And preparation is very important when trying to manage a huge and broadly dispersed military footprint.

aquaman April 1, 2010 at 3:56 pm

Byte,
As I said before the military has to prepare for every eventuality. I’m glad they do. I guess I’m just a little tired of what passes as proof, evidence, substantiation, etc.

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 4:05 pm

I agree with you on that, as you’d expect. :)

Do a Google on “global warming military planning” to get some articles on the topic.

Does this mean “global warming is real?” Well, either way, you’re paying for a large part of our economy to pay attention to it. ;)

John Konop April 1, 2010 at 3:59 pm

FYI

FROM MILITARY.COM

Military: Global Warming may Cause War

As the world warms, water – either too little or too much of it – is going to be the major problem for the United States, scientists and military experts said Monday. It will be a domestic problem, with states clashing over controls of rivers, and a national security problem as water shortages and floods worsen conflicts and terrorism elsewhere in the world, they said.

At home, especially in the Southwest, regions will need to find new sources of drinking water, the Great Lakes will shrink, fish and other species will be left high and dry, and coastal areas will on occasion be inundated because of sea-level rises and souped-up storms, U.S. scientists said.

The scientists released a 67-page chapter on North American climate effects, which is part of an international report on climate change impact.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,132519,00.html

B Balz April 1, 2010 at 8:39 am

This sounds like a DoD black op funding source.

I have always maintained that the US needs to have an unfair advantage when it comes to military strength; fair fights are great in the Olympics, but overrated in warfare.

Having said that, our US Federal budget is incredibly lopsided toward DoD and State Department funding. The F-35 program is the latest example of a good idea morphed into a Godzilla of cost overruns.

To some, thinking like that is tantamount to heresy. Since the F-35 is in built in Marietta, I would be mighty curious to hear how others feel.

Dave April 1, 2010 at 12:35 pm

Great history lesson, DMZ …and also totally irrelevant to the topic of this congressman being a blithering fool and state embarrassment!

Rick Day March 31, 2010 at 11:16 pm

D’awwwwwwwww

He is just worried about The Children™

*faceplam*

Epicurean March 31, 2010 at 11:32 pm

If they start serving Columbian Coffee on the western side of the island, Guam is screwed.

Lone Star Georgian April 1, 2010 at 12:05 am

Yikes. I’m just worried he doesn’t know how to calculate a rough area of the island given its dimensions.

Jeremy Jones April 1, 2010 at 7:14 am

I thought that was the odd part of the video as well, until the tipping over came to be.

Phil McCracken April 1, 2010 at 12:33 am

It’s not often calling someone Semi-retarded is a compliment. And to think he’s smarter than the swamp thing he replaced; Cynthia McKinney

eschristian April 1, 2010 at 12:43 am

Okay going to make a donation to Liz Carter right now to help her “Yank Hank”!!!

I have an idea – have the Admiral go and retrieve all of the people in Guam and bring them to DC and then fill those planes up with ALL statists in DC and take them to Guam and drop them off on ONE end of the island and hope Hank’s stupid theory is correct ; )

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 11:09 am

Yank Hank…Ha!

Joshua Morris April 1, 2010 at 2:27 pm

Wow. Maybe a slogan change should be in order.

Henry Waxman April 3, 2010 at 3:04 am

Hank might disagree

Maurice Atkinson April 1, 2010 at 1:35 am

What an idiot! Is the dude on drugs?

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 6:02 am
TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 11:10 am

Oh please…now it will be blamed on him being sick or on medicine? If that is the case than step down!

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 11:24 am

Did you remember to ask the same of Strom Thurmond after he turned 100 and was unable to hear or handle the rigors of office?

Thought not.

Dave April 1, 2010 at 12:37 pm

Well, Byte, Hank ain’t 100 and he’s still too freaking stupid to handle the “rigors” of his office!

Bill30097 April 1, 2010 at 1:19 pm

Then you support the incontinent and incomprhensible Frank Lautenberg leaving office? Not to mention Byrd.

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 1:29 pm

It ain’t about me. It’s about TheGOPman’s attempt to claim that being sick was a reason to step down… but only if you’re a Democrat. So I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of the statement.

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 2:20 pm

Actually ByteMe I did!
I was panic stricken with the thought that Strom Thurman could be our president, through a calamity of events in the Clinton Administration! Strom should not have been in Congress, 20 years before he left, he was an embarrassment to the party and to the people actually trying to do a good job in Congress. I may be TheGOPman, however, if you are not doing your job and you are an embarrassment to anything that you are trying to do, I will call you out, Republican, Democrat, Independent…or whatever group or club you belong too. But it does seem strange that you, however, can’t see an idiot when he is in your party, and feel the need to make excuses for Hank because he is sick. Hep C didn’t make him stupid. He was that way long before the virus attacked him.

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 2:28 pm

And it was not a ridiculous statement…in any industry it takes a strong, moral, courageous, and honest person to step down when you are not capable of continuing the job. Do the right thing.

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 2:35 pm

If you were honestly publicly calling for his removal back then, then I apologize sincerely for assuming otherwise.

And, of course, I’ll await your publicly calling out Rep Westmoreland for being a complete idiot and saying that the Ten Commandments should be posted in courthouses even if can’t remember more than 3 of them when asked. And SC Lt. Gov Andre Bauer who compared helping the poor to feeding stray animals. See? If you look not-so-hard, you’ll find lots of stupid politicians.

As for your attack on me, please be assured that I don’t have a party, contrary to your assertions, because none of the parties represents my best interests.

On the other hand, I believe that a district is responsible for the legislator they pick, so if Hank is who his constituents want, then I’m not one to say they’re wrong. I’m stuck with Tom Price who is an embarrassment to skin.

Taft Republican April 1, 2010 at 3:08 pm

You don’t seem to understand. Westmoreland wanted them posted SO he could remember more than three.

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 3:15 pm

I actually considered that it was a genius move to help educate himself, but it seemed like that was giving him too much credit.

David Staples April 6, 2010 at 8:48 am

Haha, I thought the same thing. I wonder if they’re hung in his office or at his house?

ByteMe April 6, 2010 at 9:12 am

If it was eye-level over the toilet in his house, he might have a better chance remembering them.

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 3:29 pm

I accept your apology…Thank you.

But dude…be real.
A) I didn’t attack you, unless you are really sensitive.
B) You don’t have a party, yet the only rocks that you have thrown above are against Republicans. Sure seems you have an alliance, if not a party. Pick some democrats to get made at and then I’ll believe you.
C) Refer back to A) Democrats are typically really sensitive.

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 3:41 pm

We already have a prime example of a stupid Democratic statement above and in another (and many other) PP threads. And the worse cover-up statement, which defies credulousness. He was better off blaming it on a medication-induced lapse and saying he’s gone back to his doctor for a dosage adjustment. At least that would get him the sympathy factor.

Out here, it’s mostly Republicans throwing rocks at Democrats, so not much reason for me to pile on. That’s like going to the beach expecting to get wet. Anyone can do that.

Of course, you still haven’t shown you can really throw rocks at Republicans. You just claimed you did in an earlier time.

So… time for you to be real.

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 5:00 pm

See…you are very sensitive ByteMe. Got other things to do today, than to convince you that you are a Democrat.

Cya

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 6:12 pm

Or that you actually ever publicly called for the resignation of a sitting GOP legislator because he said something stupid.

As I suspected. All hat, no cattle.

In The Arena April 1, 2010 at 10:17 am

Clearly Hank’s background is not in physics, as his understanding of buoyant forces is slightly misguided.

Sad thing is he seems to have a firmer grasp on physics than he does on government and/or reality.

YANK HANK

Bill30097 April 1, 2010 at 1:21 pm

Well you could offset the 8000 Marines by the use of extra ping pong balls released under the island by submarines whose nukes have been removed by Comrade Obama.

RuralDem April 1, 2010 at 10:45 am

Now that’s real classy…

macho April 1, 2010 at 7:11 am

What really concerns me is the morons we have that just voted to change the course of this country.

Kellie April 1, 2010 at 7:52 am

Dear Mr. Johnson,

To prevent capsizing of the island we will be sending all 8,000 Marines to the middle. This should assure a perfect balance. Thank goodness it is an even number. ;-)

GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 9:24 am

+ 8000

GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 9:25 am

or maybe + 25,000

NorthGeorgiaGirl April 1, 2010 at 8:45 am

I keep hoping this is just a really good April Fool’s Joke…

micah4 April 1, 2010 at 8:50 am

Somebody call and tell him to do something about all those illegal immigrants, they’re shifting our weight dangerously to the starboard bow!

B Balz April 1, 2010 at 9:18 am

Clever!

Kellie April 1, 2010 at 8:51 am

I am thinking Mr. Johnson should be more concerned that the wave from the ship might push Guam into another island. ;-)

Chris April 1, 2010 at 9:17 am

I’m pretty sure Guam is anchored pretty good. Otherwise El Nino would have blown it into Chile a long time ago

Henry Waxman April 4, 2010 at 12:51 am

Speaking of getting blown by El Nino, how is Ray McBerry’s campaign doing?

Kellie April 4, 2010 at 8:12 am

Ray is out there just past Ox, Deal and Johnson.
Good thing Karen Handle is running!

Henry Waxman April 4, 2010 at 10:45 pm

Yeah, she gives the high school drop outs from Maryland someone to vote for…

Republican Lady April 4, 2010 at 11:30 pm

Henry,

Where is it in writing that Karen is a high school drop-out? She has stated several times she graduated from high school and paid for some college so unless you can show me a legitimate source, you are spreading mis-information.

You are more intelligent than that! Here is her post with the site I accessed to find it.

http://www.karenhandel.com/site/c.nmL0KhN0LxH/b.5155895/k.ED40/Biography.htm

A deteriorating family situation caused Karen to leave home at 17. She got a job and finished high school. She also put herself through as much college as she could afford before starting a career that would see her rise rapidly through corporate America (including CIBA Vision and accounting firm KPMG) and Republican politics.

From a job at Hallmark Cards corporate offices in Washington, D.C., Karen was recruited to work in the Bush-Quayle White House, eventually becoming Deputy Chief of Staff. In that capacity, she managed office operations and spearheaded Mrs. Quayle’s breast cancer awareness and research campaign, which ultimately led to the founding of the Susan G. Komen Washington ‘Race for the Cure.’

I showed you mine, now show me yours!

Henry Waxman April 4, 2010 at 11:49 pm

I will correct my statement.

She gives college dropouts from Maryland someone to vote for.

Henry Waxman April 4, 2010 at 11:57 pm

However, as someone who financed 100% of his own college education (undergraduate and graduate degrees, including housing and all other living expenses), I find it VERY hard to believe that she could not afford to continue her college education. Maybe she found it inconvenient, too difficult, or not worthwhile to complete her degree, but I cannot accept it was not affordable to complete a degree.

Henry Waxman April 5, 2010 at 12:01 am

As a college professor, I assume that you see students every day who are overcoming worse odds. It’s not like she had a family to support, and I know that she has had the financial resources to complete her degree in the decades after she discontinued her education.

Kellie April 5, 2010 at 6:23 am

HW –
So, you would choose unethical over under-educated?

Republican Lady April 5, 2010 at 7:50 am

I don’t have my professorship yet, I am allowed to teach with my master’s, my other three degrees, and over 20 years experience in my field.

ByteMe April 5, 2010 at 6:25 am

Most of (All of?) the founding fathers did not have college degrees.

Just sayin’.

Henry Waxman April 5, 2010 at 4:04 pm

49 of the 50 governors have completed at least undergraduate degrees. The only non-college graduate, Jodi Rell of Connecticut, became governor when Governor Rowland resigned while she was Lt. Governor. Governor Rell has also announced that she will not seek reelection this year.

Of the 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 30 of them were college graduates.

John Adams attended Harvard

Thomas Jefferson attended the College of William & Mary

Alexander Hamilton attended King’s College (now Columbia University)

James Madison and Aaron Burr attended the College of New Jersey (now Princeton)

Abraham Baldwin attended Yale, and Georgia’s other signer of the Constitution, William Few, had a private tutor and read law to become an attorney (a common practice since the first and only law school in the U.S. before the Revolutionary War was founded in Litchfield, Connecticut, in 1773).

ByteMe April 5, 2010 at 4:12 pm

I’ll stand corrected that only some of them had college degrees. But clearly many did not and it didn’t affect their ability to lead or protect the interests of their constituents.

Henry Waxman April 5, 2010 at 4:57 pm

I don’t think a college degree is even in the top five of the most important things for a good governor to possess. However, it does say something when you are unwilling to put in the hard work necessary to complete your degree when you clearly have the time and financial resources available to do so. How many colleges are in driving distance to Fulton County? I know Georgia State and Georgia Tech are within walking distance from the Gold Dome.

There are thousands of people attending law school after work on a four-year night program, and I know several of them who have very demanding full-time jobs, spouses who also work full time, and children.

Republican Lady April 5, 2010 at 7:47 am

You are a good man and my faith is restored. As for your other statements below, I don’t know the answer but I can say that Bill Gates dropped out and he revolutionized computers as we know them. I could name others equally successful.

The other point is look at what the highly educated have done to this country. Oxendine and Deal, as Georgia examples, and Nixon on a federal level.

Henry Waxman April 5, 2010 at 4:59 pm

I really don’t think Mr. Deal he has done anything unethical. Obviously, some other people who participate on this site disagree.

I read all 138 pages of the OCE staff report, and I don’t see anything wrong with a member of Congress attending group meetings with the Georgia Revenue Commissioner, especially when the Member of Congress has knowledge that could be beneficial to the office of the Revenue Commissioner. Feel free to correct me if you think I am wrong, but I don’t see how a Member of Congress can possibly abuse his or her power over the Georgia Revenue Commissioner when, as a Members of the U.S. Congress, he or she has absolutely NO power over the Revenue Commissioner.

From reading the OCE report, it appears the person acting in contrast to his role as a public servant was in fact the Georgia Revenue Commissioner who – according to the report – was refusing to take meetings with any of the stakeholders who were participating in the pilot program. Why even have a pilot program if the person in charge of the program refuses to take input from the people implementing the program before making major changes?

According to summaries in the OCE report, the company Mr. Deal had invested in, GSD, could have made MORE money under the Revenue Commissioner’s proposed privatization plan since it did not include any of the limits on fees that were included in the pilot program under which GSD was previously operating. If this is true, how is it unethical to be OPPOSED to something that could make you MORE money but lessen public safety?

Further, GSD decided to stop participating in the vehicle inspection program long before George Soros’s group, CREW, decided to report the issue to the OCE. In his press conference, Mr. Deal said they decided to stop participating in the inspection program because the new, privatized program had removed the passenger safety inspection portion from the overall inspection process.

However, while I don’t see anything unethical in what happened with the Revenue Commissioner, I really wish none of this had happened because I know it has damaged the image of Mr. Deal’s 30 years of public service, and that’s a shame.

Icarus April 5, 2010 at 5:37 pm

I agree with the last half of your last paragraph. I’ll circle back to the rest when I have time.

Henry Waxman April 5, 2010 at 5:58 pm

Any comments on the possibility that Georgia could be the only state with a governor without a college degree in 2011, since Connecticut Governor Jodi Rell isn’t running for re-election this year?

Icarus April 5, 2010 at 6:10 pm

I much more concerned about the possibility of Georgia being the first to elect a Governor with open ethics issues since LA chose Edwin Edwards.

Henry Waxman April 5, 2010 at 7:06 pm

When would it stop being an “open” ethical issue? The Committee on Standards of Official Conduct decided not to take up the case the OCE referred to them on 1/28/10, and the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct had from 1/28 until 3/22. The OCE doesn’t ever “close” a case.

Henry Waxman April 5, 2010 at 7:22 pm

In a court of law, a case could be “closed” because the Fifth Amendment prohibits one from being “subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb,” and a case could be “closed” with the expiration of the statute of limitations. In contrast, the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct cannot “close” a complaint against a Member of the U.S. House. The Committee can choose to never take up the complaint or they can review the facts and decide to take no action.

Icarus April 5, 2010 at 10:46 pm

“When would it stop being an “open” ethical issue? ”

Well, it could have stopped had Deal done what he originally told us, which was to fight to clear his name. Instead, he left office after the committee voted to continue the investigation.

Now, my guess is that it will only stop being an issue once he’s a failed candidate and no one any longer cares.

GOPGeorgia April 5, 2010 at 11:32 pm

It appears that the solution by some was for Deal to stay in congress and not campaign in Georgia in a very hotly contested race for Governor.

Congressman Deal’s name is clear. There are no findings that he did anything wrong. Some would only be satisfied if he had stayed in DC and given up his run for Governor. Some are basically slinging mud and innuendo because the report didn’t find any fault and do enough damage to their satisfaction.

Icarus April 5, 2010 at 11:46 pm

And some continue to do the bidding of the 9th District instead of any attempt at an objective read of the situation.

Seems to me you’re trying to define what the meaning of “is” is.

There was no finding of fact because he quit. Period.

There’s nothing you can say, no matter how many times you say “read the report” (FYI: I have) that will change that.

I’ll have more to say on this over the next few days. And I promise, I’ll be thorough.

Chris April 6, 2010 at 8:33 am

Deal was not found guilty for the same reason a murder who feels to Paraguay is not found guilty. They both fled the jurisdiction of the inquiry.

GOPGeorgia April 6, 2010 at 9:50 am

Icarus,

I didn’t ask you to read the report because I have confidence that you would take the time to read it by now. Sadly, you are reading what you want to out of it and can find no FACTS or conclusions to support your opinion. If you can find FACTS to support you allegations, please provide them. If you can’t, just admit you are throwing mud.

If you are being thorough with your responses and still providing no proven FACTS, I will still point out that you are throwing mud.

If you were running for office and you were named in a civil law suit, that doesn’t mean you are guilty. It would put a cloud over your head that you could not escape from unless you had the case thrown out. However, in this type court you didn’t get to testify on your own behalf at a hearing and they would not change their schedule to allow your attorney to be present. You are not allowed to make an opening case nor a summary. You did not get to see any person make an accusation because the staff of the committee was the group running the show. You are not allowed to ask to have the case dismissed for a lack of evidence. All of the work is done behind closed doors and they won’t even admit that you are being looked at to the public until the “incomplete” report that says it warrants further investigation is complete. Does this seem like a fair venue to you?

I know what the word “is” means. Do you know what the words “does not take a position” mean? They do not mean guilty or innocent. They mean keep that umbrella handy because they want to keep that cloud hanging. If I am off on my FACTS, please let me know. I intend to do the same for you.

Btw, I am not speaking on behalf of the Ninth in an official capacity on this. Bringing that up is just another attempt to keep people from looking at the FACTS and start looking at the messengers. I am just a concerned citizen who does like people unfairly trashed. You want to hammer him on the use of “ghetto grandmothers?” Run with it. I am appalled by it and he deserves it.

Chris,

You reply is exactly are I stated. The only way that would be satisfactory to you for Deal to get rid of these charges would be to stay in congress another three or four months until the report is complete. Did you miss the part where the primary would be over by then? What if you were Deal? You aren’t charged with murder. One of the charges is which column you file your income under. It’s silly and your are convinced you have done nothing wrong. Would you stay in congress just to prove a point or would you try to win the race you are running in? Those are rhetorical questions by the way, not so much for you, but for the average reader.

drjay April 1, 2010 at 9:24 am

i know he sounded pretty “serious” but i have a hard time believing that he was not speaking figuratively with this comment…

Pete Randall April 1, 2010 at 9:49 am

There is nothing figurative about expressing concerns that an island would ‘tip over’ because of people on it.

drjay April 1, 2010 at 10:20 am

there certainly can be, pete, one could say, “good grief if they put that many people on that island it might tip over”–and actually mean “wow that sure is a lot of people to put on such a small island” and be aware of the fact that it won’t actually tip over…

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 10:35 am

It’s called “hyperbole”, something about which Pete and most of the posters in this thread know absolutely nothing.

And, yes, the above was more hyperbole. Get it now?

drjay April 1, 2010 at 12:54 pm

i think that is the absolute worst example of hyperbole that i have ever seen in my whole life!!!

Daniel N. Adams April 1, 2010 at 9:58 am

The Libertarian Party of Georgia is now collecting donations in order to send life preservers to every man, woman and child in Guam… The first one will be for Rep Johnson, so he’ll feel safe and can leave GA and visit Guam soon… real soon…. PLEASE GO, SOON!

btw. Our state convention is April 24th. I’ve been assured by the good folks at the Airport Westin, that no matter how many attend, the Hotel will not “tip over and..and capsize.”

Pete Randall April 1, 2010 at 9:49 am

I also enjoy how the Admiral, after that first question from Johnson, felt it was necessary to educate the Congressman that Guam is part of the United States and that “we own it.” Got to make sure the Congressman didn’t think we were invading a foreign land!

Bucky Plyler April 1, 2010 at 10:19 am

Personally, I have the same fear about the metro Atlanta area. There are so many vehicles traveling in & out of ATL every day!! (maybe a trillion, Byte) Suppose that my car is one too many & ATL tilts or I turn it inside out or something.

ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 10:36 am

I thought you said before that ATL tilts left already.

NorthGeorgiaGirl April 1, 2010 at 10:29 am
TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 11:14 am

Too funny!

drjay April 1, 2010 at 10:38 am
ByteMe April 1, 2010 at 10:43 am

To quote:

With the proposed increased military presence stemming from the upcoming preparation efforts and relocation efforts of U.S. Marines from Okinawa, Japan to Guam slated to begin in 2010 and last for the next several years thereafter, the amounts of total land that the military will control or tenant may grow to or surpass 40% of the entire landmass of Guam. This uptick in personnel has led to some concerns about the island’s stability and the possibility that it may capsize if it is overloaded with new troops.

Except if you look at the history log, you’ll see that last sentence was added today.

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 11:08 am
GOPGeorgia April 1, 2010 at 11:11 am

Way too funny for words.

TheGOPman April 1, 2010 at 11:18 am

Ha…Neal Boortz is trying to get Hank Johnson on his show right now! That would be a hoot!

Andisheh Nouraee April 1, 2010 at 11:25 am

This is awesome. Now I know which Congressman to lobby for money for my Lunar Cheese Recovery Rocket.

Conservative Brawler April 6, 2010 at 11:57 am

The best part is clearly when he runs down the dimensions and then asks how many square feet that makes…

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