Your Daily Deal

March 30, 2010 14:38 pm

by Icarus · 72 comments

1) Nathan Deal has called a press conference in Gainesville at 3:30. I don’t think he can resign again, so hopefully he can tell us what’s his deal with ethics charges. He can refer here for the number of people he has already blamed for his issues. No wagering if he choses one of those, or a totally new boogey-man, please.

2) CREW has asked the Justice Department to begin a criminal investigation of Deal. As I have stated all along, I believe CREW is biased, and they are over-playing their hand here. I think the case has been reasonably made that ethical violations have occurred. But as I have also cautioned here many times, ethics and legalities are not the same thing. Every time someone is accused of wrong-doing, the fans/sycophants usually respond with “he hasn’t been indicted yet”.

Ethical issues are defined much differently than legalities, and generally can be summed up around the appearance of impropriety. Indictments and criminal activity are an entirely different bar. It is entirely possible and plausible to conduct yourself legally while making a mockery of ethics.

I’m no attorney, and don’t pretend to be, but I have yet to see a legal code offered that anyone claims Deal violated. CREW is now just giving aid and comfort to the perpetual Deal apologists who want to ignore the 138 pages of documents now public, and instead claim this is a partisan witch hunt.

3) On the subject of this being a partisan witch hunt, the OCE has released another finding in Roll Call. This one was a case referred to them about a charity and its affiliation with Representative Steve Buyer (R-Indiana). Rep Buyer announced yesterday that the probe into his affiliation with the charity has been closed, without recommending further investigation. I guess he was no threat to Roy Barnes, so the partisan OCE let him slide.

But back to the press conference. Please feel free to add questions you would like asked this afternoon below. I never get tired of “please tell us the proper context to use the term ‘ghetto grandmother’”, but I believe the tone needs to be a bit more serious at today’s event.

I also believe Deal’s answers need to be far more serious than the tripe the campaign has put out on this and other issues to date. The questions need to be hard questons. The answers better be real, Deal.

drjay March 30, 2010 at 2:51 pm

he hasn’t been indicted yet!!!

ZazaPachulia March 30, 2010 at 3:10 pm

Hey, since Miss Manners over at Washington Post reminds us that the proper way to address a U.S. Representative is “The Honorable [insert name],” what is the proper salutation for the man who recently vacated Georgia’s Ninth Congressional District?

Is it “The Formerly Honorable Nathan Deal”?
or how about, “The Once Honorable Nathan Deal”

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 3:18 pm

Hysterically funny and very clever! :) The latter might be appropriate.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 3:19 pm

Do we know what station will carry the presser?

John Konop March 30, 2010 at 3:26 pm

I hope no one who post on his site takes offence on this comment, but I think Icarus should be front page poster of the year. In all seriousness he has broken stories that have been picked up by major news sources. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!!

drjay March 30, 2010 at 3:30 pm

i am pretty sure bill greene was going to express a similar thought, but i guess you beat him to it…

HowardRoark March 30, 2010 at 3:38 pm

The value of Icarus’ posts is overstated because his words aren’t backed by any commodity. Fiat post.

benevolus March 30, 2010 at 4:12 pm

+80

John Konop March 30, 2010 at 3:46 pm

drjay,

THAT WAS FUNNY!

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 3:30 pm

Yes, he most certainly has John. I hope he keeps up the great work as well.

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 3:59 pm

Totally agree!

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 3:54 pm

Any word on what Deal said? Anyone?

B Balz March 30, 2010 at 4:00 pm

Yes…..yes….BREAKING NEWS

……sounds……like….

yep, he is still resigned alright.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:02 pm

LOL!! :) But seriously, I wonder what was said. I have checked the AJC for an update and there is nothing there. I channel surfed the local stations and there was nothing there. I know curiosity killed the cat, but I would really like to know what he said.

Andre March 30, 2010 at 4:11 pm

Here’s exclusive footage of the Deal press conference.

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 4:03 pm

I haven’t found or seen anything, have you?

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:11 pm

Nope. I haven’t been able to come up with a thing. If you hear something, let me know, okay?

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:13 pm
B Balz March 30, 2010 at 4:26 pm

Good find, Polly!

benevolus March 30, 2010 at 4:13 pm

If a politician has a press conference and nobody shows up, is it still hot air?

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:17 pm

Uh, yup! It’s like a tree falling in the forest.

chefdavid March 30, 2010 at 4:16 pm
B Balz March 30, 2010 at 4:24 pm

Thanks, Chef.

Once again, despite a myriad of PP comments, reports, and other news. Here is a tough, savvy, veteran pol that will be able to essentially defend himself from the OCE reports. He has a long career and many friends, who will vouch for him.

Yet, facts are a stubborn thing.

Y’all better bring your “A” game if you want to do battle with the Hon. Nathan Deal.

I personally hate to see anyone in this position, it is what makes the ‘great game’ unpalatable for most people.

Icarus March 30, 2010 at 4:21 pm

For anyone that broke the rules and wagered on “totally new boogey-man”, please step forward and collect your prize.

Today, it’s the partisan staff of the OCE’s fault.

macho March 30, 2010 at 6:16 pm

Payback for being a Great American.

SFrazier March 30, 2010 at 4:24 pm

Lets get in on… Go Nathan Deal, thank you for fighting. Georgia conservatives, the 9th district, and military veterans will deliver the governors mansion to you.

B Balz March 30, 2010 at 4:25 pm

G’d help us all…

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:33 pm

In your wildest dreams!! Not happening!

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 4:38 pm

You still haven’t answered my question, what branch of military was Deal in?

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 4:51 pm

SFrazier,

Your posts are meaningless if you refuse to answer our questions. What branch was Nathan allegedly in and did he serve stateside or in Vietnam, or on the beach in California or Hawaii?

macho March 30, 2010 at 6:17 pm

Please provide a certificate of his service.

KariDee March 30, 2010 at 6:52 pm

He was in the United States Army.

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 11:44 pm

Thanks! Do you know where he served?

ZazaPachulia March 30, 2010 at 4:24 pm

I mean, seriously, what else was he going to say.

Deal’s sense of entitlement is sickening.

He is a nightmare candidate.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 6:16 pm

A nightmare is a great descriptive phrase for him — you know, the nightmare that won’t go away (and take his wide-eyed followers with him).

SFrazier March 30, 2010 at 4:32 pm

Fiery, love it… go Nathan Deal. You want passion, we will give you passion!!!
Nathan has the strongest record of any candidate on all issues, now more than ever Georgia needs someone of his experience and capability…

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:36 pm

Puleeeeze! Get real. Do you really think that him denying makes the matter go away? He might have a strong record; however, ethics is something he appears to be lacking. It is going to take more than a “strongest record of any candidates on all issues” mentality to try to erase what people have already heard. Georgia doesn’t need Deal. Remember, you can’t unring a bell!

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 11:45 pm

Poli,

Any idea of how a manic-depressive espisode comes across? Just curious.

polisavvy March 31, 2010 at 9:35 am

I won’t touch that one with a ten foot pole. Funny!! :)

macho March 30, 2010 at 6:18 pm

A strong record of voting for out-of-control budgets.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 6:49 pm

Good point, macho. He did that, didn’t he?

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 11:19 pm

Are you on medications that maybe you forgot to take?

AubieTurtle March 30, 2010 at 11:24 pm

Well, he certain does “have issues”.

AubieTurtle March 30, 2010 at 11:24 pm

Sigh… certainly.

Technocrat March 30, 2010 at 4:40 pm

Now if he will only turn his full righteous anger against Karen Handel:
“Not surprisingly, each has support among various groups, with one of Congressman Deal’s primary opponents enjoying the support of many of the current GOP governor’s appointees.”
Ahem………. who did he single out as the foul leaker toAJC and CREW……. Johnson and the OX were just smoke on the list.
Hope Karen is careful and calming with The Republican Militant Wing – Deal may send a hit, after all the only way he can clear his name is to win the Primary.

Georgia is such an interesting political place almost as much fun as New Jersey.

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 4:54 pm

I’d be careful, very very careful, before slandering anyone, especially Karen, when there are no facts to support your outlandish statements.

In fact, go ahead and attack because that will just send more votes her way and make it easy for her to win. You may be her best agent yet!

Technocrat March 30, 2010 at 7:33 pm

It’s not who actually leaked the story to the AJC but who Deal thinks leaked the story that is important in this case. What’s done is done.

Which candidate [while SOS] went to all of Purdue’s appointees and promised a status quo [many get to keep their jobs] if She where elected Governor.
It sure wsn’t the OX who plans on making them all reapply at minimum.

Who would Bart go to for advice when confronted by Casey and a sitting Congress person………….Sonny that’s who and who got on the phone immediately to his chosen one.

Republican Lady March 30, 2010 at 11:23 pm

Where can I find a legitimate site for the information you included on the second paragraph of your post?

Pine Knot March 30, 2010 at 4:41 pm

The Office of Congressional Ethics is about as non partison as the CBO. They are both under the watch of the president and Nancy Pelosi. Notice how they whipped the CBO into getting giving us the “facts”about the healthcare bill. This report is just political payback that is brought upon an honerable man, out of fear, to try to deter his campaign for Governor, as the strongest canidate to defeat Roy Barnes.

Icarus March 30, 2010 at 4:46 pm

Look Shill, you tried that yesterday. At least be creative here.

OCE has 4 Democrats, and 4 Republicans.

The 4 Republicans were selected by..,..fellow Republicans.

Cry partisanship all you want, the facts don’t add up.

Nor do your cries eliminate the 138 pages of facts that were released yesterday.

A smart campaign would start talking about the things actually in there, specifically the document on page 138.

Instead, sophomoric cries of “witchhunt”. Sad.

Pine Knot March 30, 2010 at 4:54 pm

I’m not trying to lead anyone into some swindle or deciet anyone, but there are two sides of a story, and frequently only one side gets discussed with balence.

In The Arena March 30, 2010 at 4:59 pm

How did Nancy Pelosi get so rich off of $25,000 a year earned income?

benevolus March 30, 2010 at 5:02 pm

I’m getting the impression that investment income is OK, it’s only earned income? I don’t know why that would be the case though. This seems like a weird rule.

macho March 30, 2010 at 6:19 pm

I think her husband is in finance.

Jason Pye March 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm

That is not true. The six members of the OCE are appointed, three by Speaker Pelosi and three by Minority Leader Boehner. Both Pelosi and Boehner each get an alternate as well.

Nice try.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:48 pm

Good luck trying to convince the die-hard supporters of this. They are apparently going to continue through this election with blinders on each eye. Let’s hope the voters make the smart choice. Deal’s not it.

AubieTurtle March 30, 2010 at 11:28 pm

Or they know the truth but figure if they repeat the lie over and over enough and to enough people, that a certain percentage will not check the facts, especially when the lie confirms a preheld notion of a group they don’t like being out to get someone from a group they do like.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:52 pm

I’m sure that Porter Goss would be interested in hearing this, right?

B Balz March 30, 2010 at 5:00 pm

Shush, he’s listening.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 5:22 pm

I know, he’s probably listening to it all. LOL!! :)

macho March 30, 2010 at 6:20 pm

It’s still evenly divided between Repubs and Dems.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm

So, who exactly is fearing former Congressman Deal? I haven’t heard anyone say that they fear him. Please enlighten us.

Pine Knot March 30, 2010 at 4:51 pm

2010 Georgia Governor Election

John Oxendine (R)
41%

Roy Barnes (D)
41%

Some other candidate
6%

Not sure
11%

2010 Georgia Governor Election

Nathan Deal (R)
43%

Roy Barnes (D)
40%

Some other candidate
5%

Not sure
13%

2010 Georgia Governor Election

Karen Handel (R)
42%

Roy Barnes (D)
39%

Some other candidate
5%

Not sure
14%

2010 Georgia Governor Election

Eric Johnson (R)
38%

Roy Barnes (D)
40%

Some other candidate
6%

Not sure
16%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2010/election_2010_governor_elections/georgia/election_2010_georgia_governor

Deal’s message is resonating with the voters. As more time passes, and this report that is admitted to be incomplete by its authors is cleared up, gaps will widen.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 4:55 pm

That poll was released on March19th. A lot has happened in two weeks. This was taken before the findings of the Ethics report and before CREW asked the DOJ to do an investigation. Let’s see how things look on the next poll.

Icarus March 30, 2010 at 4:58 pm

And the point that you’re inadvertantly making, is that the top four candidates do within the same margin of error against Barnes today, before the swing voters “tune in”.

When they tune in, they will see huge ethical lapses by Oxendine, a pretty decent screw up by Deal, and then two other candidates.

Why bet on the damaged goods when there are three competitive others (including Scott) that aren’t carrying such heavy baggage?

Thanks Pine Knot. I’m glad we had this talk.

In The Arena March 30, 2010 at 5:03 pm

Is there any word on the investigation of Oxendine? Last I heard the insurance companies over in Alabama refused a subpoena from the Georgia State Ethics Commission. Will these ever be served and how might they be? Or is our whole state SOL?

macho March 30, 2010 at 6:23 pm

I think you’ve got a jurisdictional issue, when the State of GA is trying to subject the citizens of Alabama to its campaign finance laws. I’m not lawyer, but I’m pretty sure the folks in Alabama can tell the State Ethics Commission to go pound sand.

B Balz March 30, 2010 at 5:39 pm

h/t AJC aka Ministry of Truth and Knowledge:

“…Deal said he has done nothing wrong, has no intention to exit the race for governor and renewed his effort to paint his recent troubles as a scheme by Democrats to damage his campaign.

“Sometimes in the world of politics there’s a price for doing what’s right,” Deal said.

AS to Arena’s question, the same Ministry would say, “He gave the money back, all of it, it was an accounting error.”

To my sadness, I continue to doubt if either of these ‘issues’ will matter much to Joe the Voter. They are inured to salacious rumor, gossip, and inconvenient truths.

Rep. Scott is the only candidate that offers me a fresh view.

polisavvy March 30, 2010 at 5:45 pm

Let’s hope that the voters actually wake up and smell the coffee. Can you imagine how interesting the political ads are going to be? I think that’s the way that Joe the Voter will become enlightened.

In The Arena March 30, 2010 at 6:37 pm

A fresh view on the distinction between taxes and fees

appachtrail70 March 30, 2010 at 9:50 pm

Pretty fair post by Icarus. Deal has a lot to answer for, but he didn’t do anything criminal.

ByteMe March 30, 2010 at 9:57 pm

I’m also pretty sure he didn’t do anything “criminal”, but I think he did use his political position for personal gain, which can seem just as bad.

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