Real Legislators of Georgia

Courtesy of the AJC:

Paulding County voters elected Daniel Stout to fill the seat of former House Speaker Glenn Richardson, who resigned earlier this year after his ex-wife confirmed that he’d had an affair with a lobbyist.

Stout, a 29-year-old banker from Dallas, garnered 935 votes, or 59.5 percent of the votes cast Tuesday, to win the District 19 seat in the state House of Representatives.

With 99 percent of the precincts reporting, Ronny Sibley received 560 votes, while Jody Cash got 77 votes.

Stout had earlier confirmed that he also had an extra-marital affair, with his first wife’s mother, 10 years ago. He and his first wife divorced, and Stout remarried in 2005.

Consider this your Open Thread

112 comments

  1. polisavvy says:

    All I can say is “WOW” and what were the voters thinking? That was a very sick story I read yesterday — completely gross and disgusting!!

  2. B Balz says:

    This just in:

    To Those Mean People at Peach Pundit:

    You just leave my Danny alone. He is a very nice, nice young man. Just because you cannot understand how much I cared for him, does not make it wrong. You’re jealous he was only nineteen. We do things differently here in Paulding County and it works for us.

    Signed,

    Mrs. Robinson

    PS See how nice a fellow Daniel is:

    http://electdanielstout.com/issues.htm

  3. Part-Time Atlanta says:

    WOW…and the comments above are hilarious. But give the guy credit for being able to still get elected. How bad were his opponents?

  4. Diana says:

    BTW…was his first wife’s mother a lobbyist and was Mr. Stout somehow influenced by her while in public office?

    First off, I don’t know the guy but, ‘Let he who is without sin cast the first stone’ comes to mind.

    While bad behavior just that, we are all entitled to the atonement of Christ. Now, if the behavior develops a repeated pattern, I would say there is a problem.

    Why in the world was that even in the article if it happened 10 years ago and he wasn’t in office? I guess no one out there is entitled to redemption…EVER?

    • polisavvy says:

      It’s not that people are saying he’s not entitled to atonement, or that any of us are without sin, it’s just strange that the voters would elect someone who has had issues that are similar to the person he replaced (i.e., adultery). It’s like they are willing to have “more of the same.” Seems like ethics would have been a consideration before votes were cast. Appears as though ethics don’t matter there.

  5. Bucky Plyler says:

    I have met Daniel & talked with him at a Paulding restaurant. I don’t live in Paulding. I didn’t learn anything about this report from our conversation. Here’s what I think I know in light of it, though.

    * One of his opponents thought it would be a good idea to get Jim Galloway in on his past sin.
    *Daniel didn’t try to cover it up. He was quoted to say that he wasn’t proud of it, & that he hurt a lot of people.
    * He wasn’t in office when he did this nor did he betray any public trust.
    * Other folks in Paulding (voters) knew about this.
    * There’s something about his character & actions 10 years later that gave them the confidence to vote for him.
    * I don’t know when he was saved, but Daniel claimed to be a Christian in our conversation. If that is so, that means that he has trusted Jesus Christ to wash away his sin, including this one.
    * I know that Daniel reads PP.

    • The problem with Richardson for me wasn’t so much the affair but the abuse of power and that the affair was with someone trying to influence legislation. Richardson’s judgement was called into question by his actions.

      I hadn’t heard about Mr. Stout’s situation until yesterday and I thought “well, he’ll get creamed” but obviously I was wrong.

      He owes me no explanation nor an apology for something that happened ten years ago and obviously the people of his district didn’t hold it against him either. I hope he does a good job down there.

    • B Balz says:

      Awwww, c’mon now.

      A little fun being poked at a guy that did something pretty weird is not a reason to invoke Jesus Christ, atonement, or Christianity.

      Lighten up, folks, I am pretty sure Mr. Stout is aware these types of comments would occur upon his revelation.

    • The man’s got guts for getting out there…. I’m glad he had a conversion experience, but fortunately or unfortunately the residue lingers. I certainly hope he does well and represents his district with integrity.

      And, no wonder people hide behind an alias.

  6. Technocrat says:

    The Chinese had a great idea in only allowingmale eunuchs in Politics and Bureaucracy…………..my how that would thin the ranks.
    Anyone what to take the pledge and facebook the operation?

  7. jerbush91 says:

    I have a couple of quick thoughts on this… The mother just wanted to make sure that her daughter was getting a man who was worthy to be called her husband and also there is an old saying from West Virginia is there is kin like the next of kin during a hard time.

  8. jerbush91 says:

    Please forgive my rather sophomorish humor. In all honesty done is done play the hand you have and don’t look back.

  9. Painterman says:

    The people who came out to vote elected him and the vast majority was part of the RTL group he belongs to who could care less about his past, only his support of life issues, and their fellow church members who most did not know of the past indiscretion.
    The district has some 40K voters and less than 2K show up to vote is pathetic and as most told me, they really didn’t care for any of the candidates and will wait and see who qualifies in April for the full term and vote in July. This was such a waste of tax money.

    • Jeff says:

      Painterman,

      You bring up a great point. This guy is going to serve what, 20 days – including the two single hardest days on legislators – before having to qualify for the July primary?

      And seriously, an election on the LAST Tues of FEBRUARY? Can we really blame people for not knowing about it? Remember, the VAST majority of people are not as tuned into politics as the readers of this site – much less the commenters.

      And while the man and the Libertarian in me want to say “good job!” to this guy – twisted, but the fact that he managed to pull it off even temporarily says that he probably has a decent amount of game – the political commenter/pundit in me knows that like it or not, this WILL play into his election to the full term.

      IIRC, the 19th is quite full of Talibaptists, and I don’t know that his RTL connection will save him from their wrath now that this is more widely known. Of course, Talibaptists have been known to ignore far larger sins to get someone who will criminalize abortion under every circumstance, so we shall see.

  10. Tiberius says:

    He has to get renominated in July. Surely someone with some weight in eastern Pauldig will run. 1,572 people voted in this election. A lot more will show up in July.

    2008 HD 19 vote total: 2,322
    2006 HD 19 vote total: 2,639
    2004 HD 19 vote total: 5,042
    2002 HD 19 (as HD 26 then) vote total: 4,367–open Gubernatorial

  11. TalmadgeGhost says:

    I am happy if this guy has religion now – but give me a break. So all of you apologists and supporters would give Bernie Madoff or Alan Stanford all your money in 10 years if they found Jesus?

    Folks this was bizarre behavior, even for the deep south. Bizarre. You have to question any man that would have even put himself in that position with his mother in law. At least Tiger Woods went outside the Nordgren clan.

    • appachtrail70 says:

      Your analogy is terrible. If Bernie screwed me over, I’d be angry at him for the rest of my life, even if he had a come to Jesus moment. If Bernie screwed you over at age 19, then had a come to Jesus moment, ten years later I wouldn’t care. In short, his ex-wife should be livid, but it should be a non-issue for a political race.

      • heeheehee… The mother-in-law???? That ain’t right. Glad it’s North Georgia and not Macon. We’ve got enough troubles here.

        Lesson to be learned, if you’ve got weird baggage it probably is not the wisest move to get into politics. It will be all over the PP. But then again, he might get a lucrative book deal.

  12. fishtail says:

    perhaps Paulding County should have a County motto…a couple of suggestions….”Paulding County, where Incest is Best!!”…or…Paulding County, Home of the original Swinger Family Reunion…or…Paulding County, where the closer the kin, the deeper in”…all pretty tasteless, but Indy Injun from North Georgia will appreciate the ideas.

  13. Three Jack says:

    just imagine what kind of dirtbag he would have been if not for his christian upbringing. i thought the idea was to start replacing sanctimonious hypocrites with decent public officials…maybe next time.

  14. Mid Georgia Retiree says:

    This is politics at its dirtiest. The man made a mistake and he’s not alone. How many of you posters don’t have a little skeleton in your closet that you would just as soon stay there? At any rate, when he realized that the story was going to go public, he met it head on. He probably said more than he needed to say but at least he owned up to his mistakes. The person or persons who fed the media this story are about as morally low as I would rate anyone. I don’t know Mr. Stout, don’t vote in Paulding County, but hope that he makes that district a good, capable representative. If not, there’s always another election.

  15. Icarus says:

    Got to go with Indy and a few others here. He was 19. It was ten years ago. It’s not something he appears proud of, but has moved on from.

    We’ve got folks in the legislature dating lobbyists TODAY. We have a house memeber who has taken $100K of taxpayer money and won’t say what work he did for it. We have an Insurance Commissioner who is a shakedown artist. I’m not sure this is the guy we need to be going after with the ethics pitchforks.

    • polisavvy says:

      I know, right? What I find amusing is the people who are saying that he was young when he did this – trying to give him a pass. I would like to think that my sons, at that age, would have known better than to sleep around with their mother-in-law.

        • polisavvy says:

          I trust you are kidding, right? I think proper upbringing would keep them from sleeping with their mother-in-law.

          • Icarus says:

            According to what I’ve since learned, he didn’t sleep with her. He was a 19 year old that was persued by an oversexed mother in law with whom he and his wife were living. One incident happend which he confessed to his wife that did not involve sex. Then it got weird.

            The dude was 19. Let it rest.

              • Icarus says:

                Apparently, he went public with his story a while back, knowing it would come up eventually. I have it third hand at this point, so I’ll wait until we get closer to the source before I post any additional details.

  16. IndyInjun says:

    Since this is an open thread……..

    Doesn’t anyone on PP want to know or do they even care for an nonpartisan assessment of why America is going to collapse financially and economically?

    Yeah, I know it is boring and will probably make your head hurt, but this is the biggest theft in world history, nothing is being done to stop it and it is stealing FROM EVERY ONE OF US, yet all I get in my email stream is a bunch of partisan malarkey.

    Blindly falling for the party line on this subject might literally kill you so you better get over it being ‘boring’ and causing a headache.

    I am 100% serious.

    Now we are at an even more precarious juncture and too many are in denial.

    If thinking, sane folks don’t start asserting themselves and finding out why the meltdown came and why it is going to get worse we are all in more danger than during the Cuban Missile Crisis or any other time in US history.

    We are a nation of 300 million incredibly heavily-armed people and the wheels are about to come off.

    We are headed straight at killing each other and I mean that quite literally.

    100% of the people have one or more ENTITLEMENTS and every one of us won’t give them up without a fight.

    We are going to have to. The money is GONE.

    Are there enough sane, decent, caring people to stop the carnage?

    My take is that we have, at best, a 20% chance of heading off a cataclysm and those are dwindling awfully fast. Our only hope is to come together, forget the partisan idiocy, restore the constitution, and figure out how on earth we can share the pain and the sacrifices to come.

    It won’t be easy, but we can pull out it. This remains the greatest nation on earth, with many resources, much promise and opportunity.

    Time grows short to set things back on the right course.

    Very short.

    We have the brightest people on the planet on the sidelines while some of the very worst are running our country.

    They Died on the Sidelines – will that be our epitaph?

    • Donna Locke says:

      Indy, I’m politically independent. I categorize myself as conservative, truly conservative. I have no, or few, illusions, but I see our one hope as a nation in a new alliance/coalition of which the Tea Party movement is a part. Tea Party was preceded and fueled by other grass-roots efforts — immigration control, Minuteman, and a number of others not focused on immigration.

      I think a sense of urgency, to which you alluded, is the driving force for this growing alliance, unstructured as it is. We sense our nation is on the wrong track and there is a shrinking window of opportunity to change it.

      Of particular political concern to many of us is that we soon may lose the check-balance-counterblock, imperfect as it has shown itself, we’ve had in the GOP. The GOP is in demographic trouble:

      http://cis.org/republican-demise

      Numbers. Math. The GOP helped orchestrate its own demise, and I know many in the GOP believe the answer to this situation is to become even more like the Democrats. I don’t think many of us who are and will be getting the bill for this mess will be going along with that.

    • ByteMe says:

      There’s an old axiom: that which cannot be allowed to happen won’t happen.

      Dire comments in an obscure “inside baseball” political blog won’t change a thing, Indy. Yelling that the sky is falling isn’t going to change a thing. When there’s a problem, we fix it. Until then, we let the problem get bigger because the status quo forces are politically stronger than the forces for change… until change is absolutely required. Always been that way.

      • Mozart says:

        If you want to invest in something that will hold (or increase in) value, buy guns and bullets. They will hold higher value than a Mercedes Benz.

      • B Balz says:

        Thank you, Byte. In Econ we say, an unsustainable trend won’t continue. Indy’s dire predictions are scary, potentially correct, but IMHO will not be the end game in our history.

        I do believe the current economic crisis is Part One. Stay tuned for Part Two, huge inflation and continued erosion of the US dollar value and position as a sole primary world currency. Look for US re-positioning as world cop/power shared with China, perhaps former Soviet Union..

        Part Three will be our pensioners, trying to get by on ever smaller doles. Anger, discord, but not like Greece. Perhaps an ill advised attack by internal or external extremists will provide the catalyst to galvanize American resolve.

        Part Four, reliance on new technologies, i.e. bio-medical advances, pollution control/cleanup, nanotech, etc. Reliance on a foreign oil based economy will change. Thus, creating a huge new positive balance of trade.

        Part Five, smaller, wiser, and perhaps ‘kinder and more gentle’ US emerging. Freedom is a universal passion, and we are the freedom people.

        America can feed, defend, shelter her people during all of this. It may mean people are eating beans and rice for awhile, but the national trend on obesity will be a memory. So too will be silly, narcissistic diversions. Maybe we will all rejoice in not hearing some suburban dweller whining about potholes.

        That is as long as the moral fiber, conviction, and will of its’ citizens remains unbroken.

        • ByteMe says:

          Was reading an interesting article this morning at breakfast. Talked about how running up debt doesn’t matter until it does. The moment it does is a crisis of confidence and causes the debt’s value to suddenly be worth a lot less, forcing everyone to deleverage at the same time. We — as a government and as consumers — have run our debt through the roof since 1981. The crisis of confidence is here and will take 6-8 or so years to fully normalize (it’s normalizing now at the consumer level, but not at the government level).

          Inflation? Not going to happen while the debt is deleveraging. There’s not enough money chasing too much supply until then. Means unemployment will remain stubbornly higher than we want and factory utilization will remain lower than we want. While those conditions are in place, there’s no systemic inflation possible. In fact, deflation is the bigger worry right now and for the foreseeable future.

          I agree that the next leg up for our economy is going to come from biomedical and energy advances. But I don’t think they come for another 8 years or so. And they’ll skew the demographics in a bad way, so Social Security and Medicare will then become a problem big enough that they’ll have to be solved.

          • B Balz says:

            Good points.

            We saw it go up, now we get to suffer it going down. Just in time for the ‘baby boom’ to collect. D’ya think that is an accident?

          • Republican Lady says:

            Byte, how much impact do you think financial identity fraud is contributing to the mix? Depending on what article one reads, it is a billon dollar industry world wide.

            The FBI said recently they can’t begin to get a handle on the problem with a large portion of the fraud coming from Nigeria but most of it is coming from the USA hacking into allegedly secure credit card sites and stealing the cc numbers to sell to others.

            What say you?

          • ByteMe says:

            Chris: the article I was reading can be found at http://www.frontlinethoughts.com/article.asp?id=mwo012910, but you’ll need to give your e-mail address to see it, but it’s worth doing that to get his free weekly letter. He does an excellent job bringing the different macro-economic pieces together in a readable letter. Not everything I wrote was in that one letter, but distills several of his writings along with my own thoughts on where we’re going from here.

            RL: I think fraud is currently a “rounding error” for the financial institutions, so they don’t have a strong incentive to fight it. Mostly, they’re just making it an individual problem (for us).

            BB: Check out http://www.amazon.com/Fourth-Turning-William-Strauss/dp/0767900464

          • IndyInjun says:

            Byte, where that article falls short is how what Wall Street and the banksters created WMD, weapons of monetary destruction FAR beyond the bounds of irresponsible borrowing by the public.

            This is what folks on PP are missing.

          • ByteMe says:

            Indy, you’ll find that as you go back through the archives. You’ll also see him call to get out of a buy-and-hold mindset 10 years back and to get away from the financials in 2006.

            • B Balz says:

              @Byte and Indy:

              Byte thanks for the book reference, I am getting it. Indy, thanks for the synopsis until I do.

              Nobody can really ever say, “We didn’t know, or were never told.”

              Hope this is all a crisis that can be averted, otherwise, the ‘Buy Guns and Ammo crowd” might just be right.

        • IndyInjun says:

          BB, that was a great post and I agree with most of it, with two exceptions.

          The inflation to come will be of Zimbabwe or Weimar proportions, not the merely ‘bad’ variety circa 1980. There is no capacity to raise rates as was done then. This inflation will incinerate the middle class.

          That is as long as the moral fiber, conviction, and will of its’ citizens remains unbroken.

          I think these things are badly frayed but reparable. The problem is that FRAUD has been adopted as official policy with the frugal and responsible getting their teeth kicked in by the criminals.

          The combination of hyperinflation and government at war with all that is moral and financially sound is the crux of the danger we face.

        • B Balz and ByteMe,

          Well-stated stuff. Both of you are perhaps a little more optimistic than I am.

          A “crisis of confidence” would pretty much make Indy’s predictions much closer. People will start to feel that the old rules don’t apply and then you have more serious problems than those related to fiscal and monetary matters.

          At this point I don’t see us headed there even after today’s health care summit (or photo-op) and the amazing amount of arrogance on display. It was almost blinding.

          • ByteMe says:

            If you mean the arrogance of the minority Republicans claiming everyone had to play by their rules and scrap a year’s worth of work just so that they can delay health care reform longer, then sure there was a lot of arrogance on display.

            Seriously, though, all three sides made their talking points in a mostly reasonable way and I think both sides came out winners on a day where everyone was out there without a net on the high wire. It’s not an open thread or I’d go further on that.

            As to “crisis of confidence” that happens when your creditors are not 100% positive you can repay your debt. The more debt you load up, the more often you get a crisis (because when you owe $100 to me it’s your problem, but when you owe me $1,000,000, it’s my problem). Back in 2008, no one was sure whether banks were going to be able to pay back the leverage (debt) they had built up, so there was a crisis in confidence in the banking systems across the globe. But the sovereigns stepped up and guaranteed much of the debt before it turned into a full-scale worldwide debt-deleveraging depression. Confidence in the banks is starting to return, but they still have to work through the debt issue, and that takes several years to do it in an orderly fashion.

            As to our government debt… Cheney famously said “deficits don’t matter” to which anyone who knew better would add “until they do.” Right now, people do not have a crisis of confidence in the USA’s ability to pay off their debt. The PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Iceland, Greece, Spain) are first in line for that distinction. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen, of course, just that the day is not here yet or even on the horizon, given how low our interest rates currently are. Greece’s debt is going at 7% right now, which tells you about the relative risk premium people want for their debt relative to ours.

            I’m optimistic that a politician will come along and explain that the overzealous tax cuts since 1981 just caused us to finance our government on debt instead of revenue and that it’s time for the government to start raising revenue in excess of spending and using the excess to pay down the debt regardless of whether that causes a short-term hit on the economy. I doubt it’ll be a Republican telling us that, though, since that Republican would never make it out of the primaries.

          • ByteMe says:

            Oops… it IS an open thread, so let me expand on the “winner” comment.

            Each side had several goals. All sides shared the goal of “sounding reasonable” and I think they all got there. The Obama goal was to seem engaged in the process and to play referee and he did that well by there not being any food fights.

            The (D) goal was to make it seem like the (R)’s were being unreasonable in obstructing because the two sides shared so many of the same goals and I think that except for a couple of points where clear distinction was made that they reached their goal.

            The (R) goal was to publicly clarify their specific objections to the bill (other than “it’s 2400 pages long”, which is a stupid argument for stupid people) and make it clear they had reasonable ideas that might work in context of a health care economy overhaul. They got there for the most part, although the issue of 3 million more covered at a higher cost vs. 30 million covered at a lower cost is going to still hurt them with the bulk of the population.

            A few on both sides got past the talking points and made very specific recommendations and regardless of which side, that was good meat that the media will largely ignore.

            So my view is that both parties came off as a bunch of reasonable windbags.

            My only other conclusion is that John McCain should never again be put in that position.

  17. IndyInjun says:

    that which cannot be allowed to happen won’t happen.

    The mathematics of the situation are insurmountable and there is no longer any capacity to “disallow” the result.

    Dire comments in an obscure “inside baseball” political blog won’t change a thing, Indy. Yelling that the sky is falling isn’t going to change a thing.

    I see, so Mozart’s “buy guns and ammo” is the way to go.

    Nobody believed me 4 years ago and I caught all manner of flak all the way up to September 2008, when only days after cabinet secretaries and Fed chief said everything was fine, the President came on one day and said the USA was on the verge of financial collapse.

    The situation is infinitely worse now.

    You might have noticed that I feel the survivalists are wrong, which ought to have precluded the Chicken Little reference. Mozart said buys guns and ammo for resale. I was glad that he didn’t suggest loading up for self defense. This problem will overwhelm survivalists living anywhere within driving distance of a major US city.

    My value to the major corporations I served was rapid assessment of dire risks, deployment of remedies, and follow up to completion. I never let what the client wanted to hear get in the way. More than a few times they went ballistic on me, but the reasons became manifest. When going out on a limb one best be damned certain it will hold up.

    This one I have been analyzing quite a while to a depth nobody on PP is going to do. This time it is literally my survival on the line, not $tens of millions of some client’s money.

    I don’t come on here with ‘dire’ statements that are unfounded any more than I went to CEO’s and CFO’s with dire statements.

    I asked these questions because I want to know whether I need to go ‘Mozart’ buying firepower despite knowing that isn’t the answer.

    My inquiries have been to recipients of various of entitlements. To a man or woman they turn ferocious at any suggestion that the things be curtailed or that they take any losses.

    There will be blood and we will kill each other.

    You proved my point. We agree.

    I won’t thank you for it.

    • Republican Lady says:

      I am not sure what you mean by entitlements in the sense of your post, although I know what the term means. Are you talking about Social Security payments to the retirees who spent 40+ years paying into the system wanting to get their money back at retirement?

      That money would be there had not the federal government borrowed against it, then got upset when it was time to pay it back. Their answer was to raise the retirement age as to when full benefits can be drawn.

      People are living longer, they can’t draw out the money they paid in to Social Security, most anyone over 50 who has been laid off or lost their jobs due to the economy, can’t get jobs, the economy has tanked, and people are going hungry in this country. How do we fix it and where does it end?

      • IndyInjun says:

        Military Retirement
        Government pensions – federal, state, and local
        Social Security
        Pension payments by the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation
        Medicare
        FDIC insurance

        All of the above have been looted and there is no money to pay. All of the above are going to have to take huge cuts, probably on the order of 50%.

        Everybody reading this has one or more entitlements.

        Everyone reading this let this happen by paying more attention to Tiger’s sex life and American Idol than to Wall Street and government theft.

        We either come to grips with the situation or many of us will die very violently.

      • ByteMe says:

        Let me fill in a few blanks here.

        Social Security is a social contract that if we all pay into the system, we will get a minimum level of income back when we retire or get permanently disabled.

        It’s a pay-as-we-go system. Today’s workers are supposed to pay for today’s retirees. We aren’t paying into a bank account that can rise or fall with the market. This is a demographically oriented shift from those who work to those who can no longer work. It’s created a geriatric middle class that has been an immense boom to the country.

        However, the demographics are no longer matching what we set up 70 years ago. People are living a lot longer, so the money funding social security (and Medicare) is insufficient going forward as more people are reaching 65 relative to the number of workers earning an income and paying their payroll taxes.

        So a change will come. The demographics require it here, just as it requires it in Europe (which is worse off than we are on the demographics). One possible change could be to welcome all immigrants, which then increases the pool of working taxable people relative to the pool of retirees. Another is to increase the retirement age — hard to do with so much unemployment — or to decrease the payout or apply means-testing to it.

        Indy believes there will be blood. I think it’ll just be an adjustment that happens over 10-20 years.

        • Republican Lady says:

          So how do we address getting the 50 and over re-employed when most employers don’t want to hire 50 and older?

          • IndyInjun says:

            Part of that will be addressed by the coming reindustrialization and the fact that the knowledge and ability to get there resides almost totally with this age group.

          • polisavvy says:

            This is very interesting. So you are basically saying that the success or failure of the country’s economy will lie with the older people? How would that be accomplished, in your opinion?

          • ByteMe says:

            Right now, employers don’t want most anyone. That will change in about 10 years. And Indy is correct: by necessity of needing to keep that knowledgebase around, older employees will be more valued as we have the next technological revolution.

            For today, old (and middle-age) folks are not going to have a good time as they worry about their retirement.

          • IndyInjun says:

            Oh, that is one bright spot in a pretty dismal outlook for boomers.

            Being the paranoid person I am, I looked at the demographics 25 years ago and declared that we boomers would face a dismal end-of-life.

            We overwhelm medical capabilities.

            Those of use physically able to work in support of those who cannot will be in pretty high demand, because of that.

            For every rose there are thorns, more thorns than roses……but there are a few roses.

            Politically, those on the sidelines have to jump into the fray and the people have to unite behind reformers like a battering ram.

            The global financial fraud has wiped out even the boomers who saved. All must hang onto work, which angers the 20 somethings.

            The good news is that rebuilding America will require all hands on deck. Heaven help those who fall ill.

          • polisavvy says:

            Very interesting and thanks for your explanation. As far as a good time, well we aren’t having that much fun right now. Things just plain suck regarding our retirement since the economy went south. My husband owns his own construction business and has customers wanting work done on their homes or to build new homes, but can’t get any financing. A few of these people are medical professionals with very good credit. Until that part of the economy improves, we are screwed.

        • IndyInjun says:

          As noted, SS is just one entitlement. There are many.

          Closer to home, there is Georgia teacher retirement and health care.

          More recently, there is unemployment insurance to infinity.

          Beyond entitlements, there is the fact that 401k’s have been looted, but fund managers use mark to whatever-they-wish accounting to show otherwise.

          There are 2 ways out – debt and entitlement default OR hyperinflation. Either way out means destitution.

      • IndyInjun says:

        How do we fix it and where does it end?

        That depends on whether we can tear away our attachment to entitlements that are going away, anyhow, and regain the spirit of 1776.

        I have a list of steps, but they are utterly outside the disastrous established economic and political theory that got us here.

        They all involved excruciating pain.

        Living through the pain is one thing, doing it for a decade is another. Many of us won’t see the other side and see that we restored America….or NOT.

        There is only a small chance of success.

            • Mozart says:

              What are we waiting for? Why, the lawyers to review the battle plan to make sure we have crossed our t’s and dotted our i’s properly.

              Of course, the prospect of requiring a lawyer to fix problems caused by so many before them could be construed as involving “excruciating pain” in and of itself.

              • IndyInjun says:

                Ah yes, the orc lawyers of Mordor stand in our way….too bad Frodo, the judge has you under a restraining order…you just THOUGHT that spider had you under wraps…….

                The battle plan will cause great consternation, but it isn’t a Tolkien novel.

        • polisavvy says:

          Why not share your list of steps so we can prepare for the excruciating pain? I’d truly love to know what your ideas are. Thanks in advance.

  18. GOPGeorgia says:

    I don’t think it is fair to compare Mr. Stout to Mr. Richardson. Mr. Stout was 19 at the time and acting like a teenager. There is a world of difference in the way I behaved at 19 and 29, but I’m not confessing anything (not that’s there’s anything to confess.) In short, I matured. According to Icarus, sex didn’t occur. I don’t know. Mr. Richardson should have known better because he was more mature. Mr. Stout’s mother-in-law should have known better too.

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