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	<title>Comments on: Ox, Towery, And The Rest Of The Story</title>
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		<title>By: Mozart</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/22/ox-towery-and-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-215415</link>
		<dc:creator>Mozart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think one needs to be registered as a lobbyist in order to represent a client.  Based on what I got from Icarus&#039;s info above, he represented Clark Fain, not SEUS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think one needs to be registered as a lobbyist in order to represent a client.  Based on what I got from Icarus&#8217;s info above, he represented Clark Fain, not SEUS.</p>
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		<title>By: Romegaguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romegaguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Towery a registered lobbyist for SEUS? just curious</description>
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		<title>By: John Konop</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/22/ox-towery-and-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-215331</link>
		<dc:creator>John Konop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First creditors usually would rather see a re-organization or sell of the company because they would come up ahead over a chapter 7 liquidation. In liquidation it is vultures looking for cheap hard assets and no real value for customer relations.

Second in a liquidation of a company it is all about who has lien position less legal fees. By forcing liquidation the customer value is worthless once they go out of business. So now what is left is hard assets ie land, buildings, cars…. which in this environment is especially tough. 

Finally that is why liquidation should be a last resort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First creditors usually would rather see a re-organization or sell of the company because they would come up ahead over a chapter 7 liquidation. In liquidation it is vultures looking for cheap hard assets and no real value for customer relations.</p>
<p>Second in a liquidation of a company it is all about who has lien position less legal fees. By forcing liquidation the customer value is worthless once they go out of business. So now what is left is hard assets ie land, buildings, cars…. which in this environment is especially tough. </p>
<p>Finally that is why liquidation should be a last resort.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this case Oxendine is the judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this case Oxendine is the judge.</p>
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		<title>By: ByteMe</title>
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		<dc:creator>ByteMe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The creditors of the company get dibs on it in order of secured creditors first (they get the assets that secured their credit), then unsecured creditors in the order and amounts as deemed correct by the judge administering the bankruptcy case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The creditors of the company get dibs on it in order of secured creditors first (they get the assets that secured their credit), then unsecured creditors in the order and amounts as deemed correct by the judge administering the bankruptcy case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mozart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mozart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 23:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens when a company that has cash in the bank is &quot;liquidated?&quot;  Who gets that cash?  Does it become the property of the state?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when a company that has cash in the bank is &#8220;liquidated?&#8221;  Who gets that cash?  Does it become the property of the state?</p>
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		<title>By: polisavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>polisavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you see it the same way I do.  I don&#039;t understand why people have just adopted the  &quot;well, it&#039;s okay, because Towery is such a great guy and has admitted he shouldn&#039;t have made the call&quot; attitude.  There was a reason for the call in the first place.  Ox&#039;s agitation alone says a lot.  The story is not over, in my opinion; there is still more than meets the eye.  I certainly hope Mr. Russell will see to it that we all eventually get the truth of the matter.  Not to satisfy our own curiosity as much as to get to the truth and to help the innocent victims of this whole ordeal (the insureds and the insurance companies) affected so detrimentally because of this.  If there is any way to help the victims, then everything should be exhausted to accomplish that.  The bigger picture of what we all should be wanting is the truth and if, as Fain&#039;s attorney says, it was all politically motivate, then something needs to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you see it the same way I do.  I don&#8217;t understand why people have just adopted the  &#8220;well, it&#8217;s okay, because Towery is such a great guy and has admitted he shouldn&#8217;t have made the call&#8221; attitude.  There was a reason for the call in the first place.  Ox&#8217;s agitation alone says a lot.  The story is not over, in my opinion; there is still more than meets the eye.  I certainly hope Mr. Russell will see to it that we all eventually get the truth of the matter.  Not to satisfy our own curiosity as much as to get to the truth and to help the innocent victims of this whole ordeal (the insureds and the insurance companies) affected so detrimentally because of this.  If there is any way to help the victims, then everything should be exhausted to accomplish that.  The bigger picture of what we all should be wanting is the truth and if, as Fain&#8217;s attorney says, it was all politically motivate, then something needs to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: John Konop</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/22/ox-towery-and-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-215249</link>
		<dc:creator>John Konop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree!</description>
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		<title>By: polisavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>polisavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I&#039;m thinking and wondering about, too -- about the book value issue.  That raises even more questions as to why Ox was so freaked out and agitated, and that the call was made in the first place.  There are still many unanswered questions.  My only hope is that the answers come sooner as opposed to later -- hence, the whole &quot;hold off a while&quot; call placed to Westmoreland in the first place.  My heart breaks for those who have been affected by this -- those poor innocent victims.  If we ever find out that there was anything political involved in this, we will all feel even worse for the victims, all of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m thinking and wondering about, too &#8212; about the book value issue.  That raises even more questions as to why Ox was so freaked out and agitated, and that the call was made in the first place.  There are still many unanswered questions.  My only hope is that the answers come sooner as opposed to later &#8212; hence, the whole &#8220;hold off a while&#8221; call placed to Westmoreland in the first place.  My heart breaks for those who have been affected by this &#8212; those poor innocent victims.  If we ever find out that there was anything political involved in this, we will all feel even worse for the victims, all of them.</p>
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		<title>By: John Konop</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/22/ox-towery-and-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-215228</link>
		<dc:creator>John Konop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a few more questions after seeing the video. 

Did the company have cash flow to pay claims while looking for a buyer and or new investors? 


If the company had cash flow how did this help the victims? It looks like the only winners will be the lawyers. 

And if the company passed on over 99% good audit of clients it would seem that a buyer would want the company and to take over the insurance clients which would have helped the policy holders. 

Liquidation should be done if the book of clients has no value. It seems like this book had value. 

And it even looks worse that OX called Westmoreland if OX thinks this is an criminal issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a few more questions after seeing the video. </p>
<p>Did the company have cash flow to pay claims while looking for a buyer and or new investors? </p>
<p>If the company had cash flow how did this help the victims? It looks like the only winners will be the lawyers. </p>
<p>And if the company passed on over 99% good audit of clients it would seem that a buyer would want the company and to take over the insurance clients which would have helped the policy holders. </p>
<p>Liquidation should be done if the book of clients has no value. It seems like this book had value. </p>
<p>And it even looks worse that OX called Westmoreland if OX thinks this is an criminal issue.</p>
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		<title>By: polisavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>polisavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, let me tell you that I enjoy for work.  Thanks for the link.  As for this story, it&#039;s a &quot;he said, he said&quot; situation with so many lives being affected.  There are still numerous questions I have regarding all of this, as well as the timing and true intent.  If what the attorney for Fain is saying is accurate, and that the company could have sustained itself for several years, then your piece raises many more questions.  If it can be proven that this was strictly for political gain, then Oxendine should be in deep trouble -- abuse of power should never be tolerated.  I have read many of the documents on this case, and feel that something is just not adding up (from both sides of the coin).  Do you believe there is still more than meets the eye?  If so, are you still digging?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, let me tell you that I enjoy for work.  Thanks for the link.  As for this story, it&#8217;s a &#8220;he said, he said&#8221; situation with so many lives being affected.  There are still numerous questions I have regarding all of this, as well as the timing and true intent.  If what the attorney for Fain is saying is accurate, and that the company could have sustained itself for several years, then your piece raises many more questions.  If it can be proven that this was strictly for political gain, then Oxendine should be in deep trouble &#8212; abuse of power should never be tolerated.  I have read many of the documents on this case, and feel that something is just not adding up (from both sides of the coin).  Do you believe there is still more than meets the eye?  If so, are you still digging?</p>
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		<title>By: polisavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>polisavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, I was just wondering your take on this and if you think that there is still more to come or that the story&#039;s over.  I agree with you about Ox and the State having some explaining.  To date, from what I&#039;ve read, there are still many unanswered questions.  If everything you have said is accurate, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then I have questions about some of the allegations in the complaint filed by the State.  Something is just not adding up here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, I was just wondering your take on this and if you think that there is still more to come or that the story&#8217;s over.  I agree with you about Ox and the State having some explaining.  To date, from what I&#8217;ve read, there are still many unanswered questions.  If everything you have said is accurate, and I have no reason to believe otherwise, then I have questions about some of the allegations in the complaint filed by the State.  Something is just not adding up here.</p>
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		<title>By: DaleRussell</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaleRussell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, if you want to see who was hurt by the collapse of SEUS and hear Fain&#039;s lawyer blame it on Oxendine.

One more.....

http://tinyurl.com/FainandOx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, if you want to see who was hurt by the collapse of SEUS and hear Fain&#8217;s lawyer blame it on Oxendine.</p>
<p>One more&#8230;..</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/FainandOx" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/FainandOx</a></p>
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		<title>By: DaleRussell</title>
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		<dc:creator>DaleRussell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what we were running around the time Matt met with Oxendine. 
Since the local newspaper hasn&#039;t mentioned it in its news coverage, thought I&#039;d pass it along.

Fain took  Governor and top legislators on free hunting trips.

 http://tinyurl.com/freetrips</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what we were running around the time Matt met with Oxendine.<br />
Since the local newspaper hasn&#8217;t mentioned it in its news coverage, thought I&#8217;d pass it along.</p>
<p>Fain took  Governor and top legislators on free hunting trips.</p>
<p> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/freetrips" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/freetrips</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Konop</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Konop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my opinion on only the facts I have read.

1)	SEUS only had less than 1% problem with claims on their audit and that is really good ratio. 

2)	Buying property in this market is probably smart to use as an asset since prices are low. And under the new mark to market rules many banks and insurance companies are using assets that have not been mark down via the long hold rule. I would trust an asset bought recently over an older one in most cases. 

I am no lawyer but I do wonder if insurance companies that gave money to OX were held to the same standard especially competitors? And if not, I would think the state of Georgia and OX have a lot of explaining to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my opinion on only the facts I have read.</p>
<p>1)	SEUS only had less than 1% problem with claims on their audit and that is really good ratio. </p>
<p>2)	Buying property in this market is probably smart to use as an asset since prices are low. And under the new mark to market rules many banks and insurance companies are using assets that have not been mark down via the long hold rule. I would trust an asset bought recently over an older one in most cases. </p>
<p>I am no lawyer but I do wonder if insurance companies that gave money to OX were held to the same standard especially competitors? And if not, I would think the state of Georgia and OX have a lot of explaining to do.</p>
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		<title>By: polisavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>polisavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Konop, what is your bottom line assessment of this whole debacle, if you don&#039;t mind sharing that with me.  I would appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Konop, what is your bottom line assessment of this whole debacle, if you don&#8217;t mind sharing that with me.  I would appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: John Konop</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Konop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OX claims he was on a hot trail of a criminal investigation. Can anyone explain why the call to Westmorland did not violate his oath of office? And if not we have a real problem in Georgia!  



AJC…….Oxendine, a Republican candidate for governor, is investigating whether Fain hid the extent of the company’s problems on its financial reports by using fraudulent, Enron-style accounting.

“We believe this was intentional,” Oxendine said, “and that’s a crime.”…….

AJC…Meanwhile, Oxendine’s office is continuing the investigation which began last year.

“When we started the case, we were looking at, OK, Clark really did some incompetent things,” Oxendine said. “As we got further, we said we believe this is beyond incompetence and mismanagement.”
If the investigation strongly documents criminal intent, he said, “We hope to see handcuffs on Mr. Fain someday.”…

http://www.ajc.com/business/insolvent-insurer-is-focus-319843.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OX claims he was on a hot trail of a criminal investigation. Can anyone explain why the call to Westmorland did not violate his oath of office? And if not we have a real problem in Georgia!  </p>
<p>AJC…….Oxendine, a Republican candidate for governor, is investigating whether Fain hid the extent of the company’s problems on its financial reports by using fraudulent, Enron-style accounting.</p>
<p>“We believe this was intentional,” Oxendine said, “and that’s a crime.”…….</p>
<p>AJC…Meanwhile, Oxendine’s office is continuing the investigation which began last year.</p>
<p>“When we started the case, we were looking at, OK, Clark really did some incompetent things,” Oxendine said. “As we got further, we said we believe this is beyond incompetence and mismanagement.”<br />
If the investigation strongly documents criminal intent, he said, “We hope to see handcuffs on Mr. Fain someday.”…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ajc.com/business/insolvent-insurer-is-focus-319843.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ajc.com/business/insolvent-insurer-is-focus-319843.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: polisavvy</title>
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		<dc:creator>polisavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 01:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree with you both; however, I personally do not like to mix religion with politics.  As a matter of fact, I try to always avoid getting into discussions regarding religion.  I feel that religion is very personnel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree with you both; however, I personally do not like to mix religion with politics.  As a matter of fact, I try to always avoid getting into discussions regarding religion.  I feel that religion is very personnel.</p>
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		<title>By: Republican Lady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republican Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Staples has a point, we can&#039;t totally separate religion from the way some men and women interact. Some people change attitudes and some don&#039;t. Some women are heads of households and need to be able to have the same promotional opportunities and salaries as do men.

Oxendine, by making sexists remarks never evolved in many respects and that is what he brings to the table, a narrow-minded view of women and unethical behavior that is self-serving. Approximately half of the state is female, many of whom are active voters, so Ox tell us how sexy and hot we are and see how many of us vote you right on out the door. We have brain power too and many of us have concluded our brain power doesn&#039;t want you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Staples has a point, we can&#8217;t totally separate religion from the way some men and women interact. Some people change attitudes and some don&#8217;t. Some women are heads of households and need to be able to have the same promotional opportunities and salaries as do men.</p>
<p>Oxendine, by making sexists remarks never evolved in many respects and that is what he brings to the table, a narrow-minded view of women and unethical behavior that is self-serving. Approximately half of the state is female, many of whom are active voters, so Ox tell us how sexy and hot we are and see how many of us vote you right on out the door. We have brain power too and many of us have concluded our brain power doesn&#8217;t want you!</p>
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		<title>By: polisavvy</title>
		<link>http://www.peachpundit.com/2010/02/22/ox-towery-and-the-rest-of-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-215018</link>
		<dc:creator>polisavvy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No apologies needed, David Staples.  I&#039;m not that kind of poster. :)  I have a pretty hard outer shell.  I just don&#039;t like mixing politics with religion too much.  Not my style.  I, like you, grew up in church every Sunday (Methodist); and, I have chosen to believe and follow certain aspects thereof; and others, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No apologies needed, David Staples.  I&#8217;m not that kind of poster. <img src='http://www.peachpundit.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   I have a pretty hard outer shell.  I just don&#8217;t like mixing politics with religion too much.  Not my style.  I, like you, grew up in church every Sunday (Methodist); and, I have chosen to believe and follow certain aspects thereof; and others, not so much.</p>
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