Barnes Drops Vs. Republicans In New Rasmussen Poll.

Quite a change from the last Rasmussen poll showing Barnes within the margin of error with Dean, Handel, and Oxendine. Brace yourself for the barrage of campaign emails touting these results. 😉

Click here for Rasmussen’s analysis.

Georgia Survey of 500 Likey Voters
February 18, 2010

2010 Georgia Governor Election
John Oxendine (R) 45%
Roy Barnes (D) 37%
Some other candidate 7%
Not sure 10%

Nathan Deal (R) 43%
Roy Barnes (D) 37%
Some other candidate 7%
Not sure 14%

Karen Handel (R) 45%
Roy Barnes (D) 36%
Some other candidate 5%
Not sure 14%

Eric Johnson (R) 37%
Roy Barnes (D) 37%
Some other candidate 8%
Not sure 18%


  1. old political pro says:

    So ends the Eric Johnson campaign mantra that he’s the only one who can stand on a stage with Barnes and beat him.

    • PaulRevere says:

      Well, he’s really only competing with one of them. Ox and Deal have little chance of making out of the primary. But I agree, Eric the Roy Slayer always seemed like a bit of a stretch.

  2. Mayonnaise says:

    It is amazing to see Eric Johnson tied with Barnes with as little name recogniton as he has. Johnson is definately in the run-off.

    • Glen Ross says:

      I would say the same for Deal. Wouldn’t think he’d have the name rec to be out in front of Barnes at this point. Makes me think this is more of a referendum on Barnes than a measure of strength between the GOP candidates

    • SouthGAConservative says:

      Dark Horse Eric Johnson on the rise. Can’t wait to see him take the Governor’s Mansion in November.

    • They are all tied or beating Barnes, so maybe they will all make it into the runoff!

      Or maybe, more logically, you could put Vernon Jones up there with an (R) behind his name and he would be close to Barnes.

      We live in a red state, don’t have an orgasm over this.

    • Part-Time Atlanta says:

      I’m still undecided in the Gov’s race, but I do agree this shows more about Barnes’ weakness. Republicans should feel somewhat good about the poll overall.

      • Silent Outrage says:

        This looks really good for Handel. She’s the only one not part of the establishment showing legs right now.

        And I think we all agree that it’s time to take the turn from the status quo and go full throng into new leadership.

        Georgia would do well to have people like Handel, Purcell, MacGinnitie in positions of leadership versus the same old politics as usual…

    • IndyInjun says:



      Any Dem in this state in a remotely marginal district, including John Barrow and Jim Marshall, and this state is going to have a leaden weight called Barack Obama around his neck.

      Obama and the Dems are going to ram through that health care bill with the results that the Blue Dogs and conservative Dem officials are going to be blown out.

      A Democrat as governor???? In Georgia???????


      Ain’t gonna happen.

          • Yes, but when you have Republicans that vote the same way Democrats do on so many things, there’s a dime’s worth of difference between our elected officials anymore in a lot of peoples’ eyes. I don’t think people will care so much about what party Obama is in vs. trying to oust incumbents / incumbent parties.

          • IndyInjun says:

            I hope this is true.

            I am just remember ’92 when we thought much the same thing. Buchanan was charging and then the MSM came down like a ton of bricks and we were totally helpless to counter it.

            ’92 was also the year of Perot.

            Google youtube for “perot debate giant sucking”


            Now we are in the midst of what was foretold.

            We of the ‘brigades’ remember swing squashed.

            Worst was the sense of ABANDONMENT by the people.

            This country may very well have to totally collapse before there is any chance to restore the republic.

          • B Balz says:

            The would mean the Neo-Con plan worked, right? We rebuild without existing constraints.

            I believe their is a step in between where we are and a potential economic event horizon. Righteous indignation and peaceful public involvement?

  3. Mozart says:

    Fewer undecideds in the matchup between Ox and Barnes and any other candidate and Barnes. That’s kinds strange.

    Any idea of what the numbers are for a matchup of the GOP vs. Thurbert Baker?

    • Mayonnaise says:

      Fewer undecideds for OX because he has higher name recognition. What is scary for Barnes is that when the respondent doesn’t recognize the GOP candidate’s name, they chose undecided instead of going with Barnes.

  4. ZazaPachulia says:

    As a McCain conservative, I guess I’m in the minority…
    Outside of Scott (who I will likely vote for in the primary) I can’t see myself voting for any of these Republican buffoons over Barnes…

    There’s still a lot of time.

    • polisavvy says:

      Be careful saying that or you’ll be thrown under a moving semi. 🙂 Didn’t you know that everything is already written in stone? Of course, Ox was unbeatable several months ago. Time can change things.

  5. ByteMe says:

    Bummed that they haven’t posted the full survey and actual numbers (the link in the article goes to last month’s numbers).

    But it seems like their standard methodology is: 500 “likely voters” and calling land-line phones. Margin of error is nearly 5%. Land-line phones are much more common with older (often more conservative) people. No obvious adjustment made at this point for whether the “likely” voter they could reach by phone is actually going to be a more common voter come November. Lot of time between now and then to find out.

    • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

      Why do they still do phone polls? I remember as far back as 2002 how it was pointed out that cell phones have made these types of polls obsolete.

      • ByteMe says:

        The better firms will poll both in the proportion that reflects the regional breakdown between cell and land-line. This was more of a “getting a sense” poll than an actual predictive poll.

        • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

          ah I see. Forgive me if this sounds naive, but how do they get access to cell phone numbers? Or are cell phone numbers exempt under the Federal Do not call” list for political polling purposes? I’ve never received a campaign, robo, or polling phone call on my cell phone.

          • ByteMe says:

            I’m not 100% sure if there’s a specific science to it or just the general knowledge that certain phone exchanges (the middle three digits) are “owned” by certain cell providers (e.g., 404-667 is T-mobile). But with free phone number portability, that’s less certain now.

            Very few polling companies explicitly try to get cell phones. When I was watching the polls for the 2008 election, I think I saw only one or two polling firms that made the extra effort. The rest made assumptions about the land-line population vs. cell population and used those to jigger the final numbers.

            They do that anyway, just because a certain day of calling could yield too many self-identified Republicans or Democrats relative to the known population, so they adjust the final numbers to reflect what they “think” the final voting tally will be.

          • LoyaltyIsMyHonor says:

            Thanks BM for your response. That’s interesting and just reinforces my personal belief that phone polls are fairly useless. BTW, in reference to your post below, although you seem technologically savvy, you do realize that you can access 911 from a deactivated land line?

            Majick Jack is awesome too 😉

          • ByteMe says:

            LIMH: the security doesn’t have to do with calling 911. Cell phones tend to stay active in ice storms while land lines fail miserably in my neighborhood (along with the power). The security I need is “a clear line with no static, echo, delay issues without worry about battery going dead after 4+ hours of being on a support call with a client in Malta” kind of security. The other technologies are getting close, but not close enough for my taste.

            I also use Skype, but most of my customers do not.

          • At one time – and maybe now – political polling was exempt from the do not call list. Tom Murphy wanted it banned too, but fear of law suits (free speech) stopped that.

    • Republican Lady says:

      You make it sound like they are calling 80 year-old-people with nothing better to do than answer the phone. There are plenty of stay-at-home moms and people who run their businesses out of the home as well as college students. There are more people answering land-lines than 80 year-olds.

      • ByteMe says:

        As someone who has 5 businesses running out of my home, we have one land line, three VOIP lines, 2 cell lines. And the only reason for the land line is that I’m an old fart and want the “security” of a land line.

        I didn’t put an age on who gets a land line, but a little research will show you that the polling they were doing in 2008 was under-representing the under-25 demographic, because those people generally used their cell phones and not land lines.

        • Republican Lady says:

          Good point. I have both, a land line and a cell. When I’m out, I use the cell, but when I’m home, I turn off the cell and use the land-line. We must be from the same generation.

  6. NorthGAGOP says:

    Handel moves into first place vs. Barnes. Very interesting Fav/Unfav data. Handel almost 2-1 ratio. All the rest 1-1. Looks good for Handel.

    For Oxendine, very favorables are 12% and very unfavorables 11%.
    Deal is seen very favorably by eight percent (8%) and very unfavorably by the identical number (8%).
    Very favorables for Handel total 13%, and very unfavorables are seven percent (7%).
    Johnson is viewed very favorably by six percent (6%) and very unfavorably by five percent (5%).

  7. HowardRoark says:

    The dynamic of each of these races would be so different, it’s hard to read much into it. These polls are frustrating. I want them to matter, but they just don’t.

  8. John Konop says:

    In looking at this poll, one should think about the attack ads used by Barnes in the general election:

    1) Barnes will go after OX with scandal of the day. And that could move numbers!

    2) Barnes will go after Deal for a scandal and being part of Washington. And that could move numbers!

    3) Barnes could attack Handel on her education but that could backfire. And the voting machine issue is real tricky since a DEM set it up and he supported it, also in tough times I do not think this will be a hot issue.

    4) Barnes will attack Johnson on vouchers and after schools cuts this could also move numbers.

    If the GOP is smart they would back Karen Handel or Austin Scott if his numbers start rising. I would bet Barnes group is hoping for OX, Deal or Johnson.

    • polisavvy says:

      Excellent points! You know Barnes is sitting around licking his chops for the opportunity to go after the ones you mentioned. These would be some fairly brutal ads, in my opinion. (Liked your Ox de jour comment — very funny). We will wait and see how smart people are.

    • Silent Outrage says:

      I agree with your logic John. There is so much scandal on Ox and Deal that I just don’t know how they continue to make it in this race, nor for that matter do I understand why their supporters are continuing to stand by them.

      As for Johnson, there is a lot out there against him too. Remember, he was draped in the Confederate Flag. That won’t play well statewide. As well, he essentially wants to defund public education in this state. Not to mention, with the opposition research Barnes has done, who knows what else there is. I keep hearing about some state contracts that he steered toward the business he worked for or owned and such… That won’t look too good in the light of day…

  9. Bucky Plyler says:

    Barnes 23%
    Buddah 23%
    The Unknown Candidate: 54%

    This poll proves Barnes is a Buddah head and that Jeff Chapman will win.

  10. John Konop says:


    TO: Handel for Governor Finance Committee, County Chairs and interested parties

    FROM: Rob Simms
    Marty Ryall

    DATE: February 22, 2010

    RE: Rasmussen survey shows Handel strongest candidate against Roy Barnes thanks to 10 point swing in one month


    Last night National independent pollster Scott Rasmussen released his latest polling data for the Georgia Governor’s race. In his latest survey, Karen Handel runs stronger against former Governor Roy Barnes in a head-to-head match-up than any of the other GOP candidates for Governor, and she has the strongest favorable to unfavorable ratios than the rest of the field.

    The latest data shows a 10-point shift in support for Karen, going from one-point behind one month ago to 9 points ahead of former Governor Barnes (45% – 36%). The other candidates are currently leading Barnes as well, by slightly lesser margins, with the exception of Eric Johnson who just breaks even with the former Governor (37% – 37%).

    As you know, we pay particular attention to the Favorable and Unfavorable numbers for each candidate because they are a great indication of trends and potential growth in support. In this area, Karen is now lapping the GOP field. John Oxendine has taken a significant hit since the last survey, and Deal has seen erosion as well.

    Below are the numbers from this week.

    Candidate Very Favorable opinion Very unfavorable opinion

    Karen Handel 13% 7%

    John Oxendine 12% 11%

    Nathan Deal 8% 8%

    Eric Johnson 6% 5%

    However, even more significant is the trend from December to today.

    Candidate December January February 2 month fav change

    Fav/Unfav Fav/Unfav Fav/Unfav

    Karen Handel 8-4 8-7 13-7 +5

    John Oxendine 22-7 19-12 12-11 -9

    Nathan Deal 10-6 12-10 8-8 -2

    In just two months Oxendine has seen a drop from 22-7 to 12-11. This is a significant hit in public opinion. Deal has seen his numbers drop from 10-6 to 8-8. On the other hand, Karen’s numbers have improved from 8-4 in December to 13-7 this week.

    It’s clear after several surveys that the scandals involving Nathan Deal and John Oxendine have taken a toll on their standing with the voters, particularly those paying the most attention right now. Oxendine’s numbers, in particular, are trending rapidly in the wrong direction. Eric Johnson, thus far, has failed to get traction.

    It’s also very clear that Karen’s message of reform and taking on the ‘good ‘ol boy’ system in government is resonating with the voters as we’ve now seen appreciable growth in support for Karen over the past several months. As we’ve said all along, the more the voters hear from Karen the more likely they are to support her.

    The takeaway

    The latest polling again reinforces the trend line we began seeing late last fall. People are responding to Karen’s vision and leadership. Our path to victory in the Republican Primary (and/or run-off), as well as the General Election, is a clear one. If our fundraising is successful enough to allow the campaign to take Karen’s message to the voters, she’s going to win. And for the rest of the campaign, every dollar raised will be spent on voter contact (television advertising, direct mail).

    • Gaius Duilius says:

      “If our fundraising is successful enough to allow the campaign to take Karen’s message to the voters, she’s going to win”

      Says the campaign that everyone knows cannot raise any money.
      This is the whole reason she quit the SOS job, she could not raise enough money last year to “keep the lights on” for her campaign during the legislative session when she would have been prohibited from raising money.

      My prediction, we will never see a Handel ad on network TV in the Atlanta market!

      Also this polling shows nothing other than any of the four GOP candidates are “competetive” with Roy Barnes. The primary right now is about cash and who has it. The voters aren’t paying attention now but when they do it will be those that raise money that will be able to get their message out that will be “competetive”.

    • True Grit says:

      “Karen Handel runs stronger against former Governor Roy Barnes in a head-to-head match-up than any of the other GOP candidates for Governor.” Intersting…. 45% Handel-45% Ox 45 equals 45 doesn’t it?

      Looks like to me that her and Ox are running neck and neck on this…especially when you add that little thing called “margin of error” to the mix. Why isn’t Jeff Sexton splitting this hair with his Goldfinger-like laser beam?

      “The latest data shows a 10-point shift in support for Karen…”

      She really only shifted 3 points. Barnes lead her 43-42 in January and now she leads 45-36. Barnes is the major shifter, not Handel. It wasn’t that Handel had a major surge in the poll, it was that Barnes has the albatross known as Obama hanging around his neck.

      Nobody blames the Handel camp for putting a positive spin on poll results. But spin responsibly.

      • Silent Outrage says:

        Honest to goodness I can’t imagine coming on here and still supporting Oxendine anymore. I mean, seriously? How much corruption does it take to be exposed before some of you people wake up and smell reality?

  11. NorthGAGOP says:

    Wasn’t it just last month that the Ox said he was the only one who could beat Barnes? When he and Handel were both within the margin of error?
    Handel is now up by 9 on Barnes, the Ox 8.
    In June ’09 his very Favorable numbers were 26%, now 13%. Nice.
    TG – keep spinning

        • I think he’s referring to Oxendine. You could think of it like this… when you throw slime against the wall, it will only continue to slowly drip down. Oxendine might be a notch above slime… or he might be a notch below. Depends on who you talk to.

          • I suppose it could. However, I think you might want to look in the dictionary for how to properly use the words “drag down”. I’m certainly not trying to drag down your man the Ox. He’s certainly capable of doing that all by himself. I’m only helping to enlighten others as to his deeds and his position on such simple things as Sunday alcohol sales. And it only makes it that much easier that someone running for office not only refuses to answer questions that he doesn’t like on Facebook, but that he also de-friends people and has staffers threatening 15 year olds. I suppose you could certainly call me slime, though I guess if you consider me slime, I have no earthly idea why you’d support someone so much worse like Oxendine.

          • GOPGeorgia says:

            You can’t build your party up by tearing others down. You should state what your party believes in and then try to get candidates elected. If they don’t get elected, perhaps the voters just don’t buy what your party supposedly stands for. Once they are elected, you need to remind them of the platform of the party that they ran on. Just my 2 cents.

            • Totally ignoring party lines, can you honestly say you like John Oxendine and the policies he is proposing?

              When I’m posting anti-Oxendine type comments, I’m typically not posting them as a way to build up the Libertarian Party. All I’m saying is that if Republicans want to choose someone that really reflects what is in your platform, I don’t think Oxendine is someone you really want to pick. As a Georgia citizen, I believe I still have the right to criticize elected officials and candidates of any party that are running for office… regardless of their party affiliation.

              I really wish people would quit paying so much attention to the political party that someone is affiliated with and start focusing on the candidates themselves. But alas, that’s probably asking too much.

              • GOPGeorgia says:

                I don’t agree with everything the Ox says and does. That being said, I am a fan of some of his policies. Specifically, I like his plans to relieve traffic congestion that were tweaked from the Georgia Public Policy Foundation. I like Karen’s suggestions on the budget that is currently being discussed in another thread. I like Deal’s approach to talking with individual business owners. Every candidate running has some attraction and good ideas. All of them have a little baggage too. None of them are the Devil, regardless of what posters on PP say.

                • You see, if I was trying to push the LP here, I would say all three are bad choices. However, I’m not. If I had to choose among just those three candidates, I’d choose Karen any day over the other two. Yes, I agree that no candidate is perfect. But is it too much to ask that we limit candidates to one carry-on when we talk about baggage? Isn’t five carry-ons and ten checked bags a little bit much for this trip? I’m certainly not saying Ox is the Devil. I believe he’s a very misguided Christian man who would be better off running for state chaplain than Governor.

                  When it really comes down to it though, I ignore the letter beside the person’s name and look at their history and their proposed policies and action plans and choose whom I think would be best according to my limited government beliefs. I think it’s a shame that the Republican Party has somewhat of a limited government platform and can’t seem to fill the top spots with fiscally conservative candidates – instead opting for the socially conservative ones instead, while continuing to grow our government. Show me a REAL Republican and I’ll show you someone I might actually support.

                  • GOPGeorgia says:

                    If you think the GOP is getting it wrong, you have choices. You can do something or do nothing. If you choice to do something, that could be do something that will have an effect on the process, or do something that won’t have an effect on the process.

                    IMO, complaining won’t have much effect on the process. I invite you to come to your local GOP county party meeting and keep them straight on a county level. As far as our candidates for governor go, I urge you to pick one and get behind him (or her) and do your best to help him (or her.) win the primary. If you are unsatisfied with our current selection, you can recruit someone to run.

                    You are welcome to make difference in the GOP. If you think your time is better spent supporting someone who’s only role is to spark debate, provide a choice to the voters, and come in last but get enough votes to cause a run off, that’s your decision. Personally, I hope you come try to get candidates running in the GOP primaries who vote closer with our platform. We could use the help.

                    • ByteMe says:

                      We’re going to need to get you an acronym dictionary.

                      IMO = in my opinion.
                      IMHO = in my humble opinion

                      Anyone got a link to a good web acronym dictionary?

                    • As for coming to a GOP meeting, I really only make time for one Libertarian meeting as it is, and that’s the state party executive committee meeting. I don’t make time for my local county meeting due to time constraints. When I leave my day job, I typically have other things like my small business to attend to. I may just try and make it to a GOP meeting sometime though. Libertarians have certain things in common with both the major parties. There really just doesn’t seem to be much room in the GOP’s big tent for people that believe in such things as internet gambling, freedom from religion, marijuana legalization or decriminalization and ending government regulation of marriage. 🙂

                    • Note also, that I’m not a pot smoker, nor will I be if marijuana is legalized. I just think it’s ridiculous that we spend so many tax dollars on keeping a plant that grows naturally in the ground outlawed and imprisoning those who use and sell it. Just as I think it’s ridiculous that the bill was created to outlaw using Salvia Divornum as a drug. It’s a freakin’ plant people.

                    • GOPGeorgia says:

                      As far as room in the big tent goes, if you bring enough people with you (or change enough peoples minds), you can change the platform. Until then, you’ll have to realize you are in the minority on most of those issues. That’s how the system works.

                      As far as pot goes, I think we should either legalize it or outlaw tobacco. It just seems hypocritical to me, but I realize that I’m in a small minority so I don’t talk about that much.

              • GOPGeorgia says:

                That being said, the purpose of a primary is for a party to pick it’s nominee for office. It is supposed to replace a political convention where the nominee was selected. You may comment all you want on any candidate of any party.

                Just remember, if you vote in the GOP primary, you are claiming to be a Republican for at least one day. Welcome to the party if you decide to vote in our primary.

                • Being that ballot access laws (created by the Democrats and Republicans) currently exclude the Libertarian Party from the primaries, my first chance at having a say in who is elected as Governor is during the primaries. I go back and forth between the Democrats and the Republicans and choose who I think would be best for this state. Nobody gets my vote just because of the letter beside their name.

                  If it were up to me, I’d recommend doing away with the primaries altogether and go with the Instant Run-off Voting system.

                  • GOPGeorgia says:

                    Ballot access, ballot access…..if you ran a candidate who got more votes, then you wouldn’t have to jump through the extra hoops. As it stands, Georgians just aren’t buying what you are selling.

                    Run for state house and try to make that happen. Good luck. Qualifying is in April

                    • As it stands, I don’t think many Georgians hear the libertarian message. If they don’t know about it, they don’t buy it. If people would actually take the time to research the Libertarian Party platform instead of voting for whatever party they belong to because their grandpappy did… perhaps we’d see a different political climate in this state.

                    • GOPGeorgia says:

                      Then you don’t see it as a message problem, just your parties ability to deliver the message. Could it be that people just don’t agree with you on “internet gambling, freedom from religion, marijuana legalization or decriminalization and ending government regulation of marriage?” (and other issues.)

                    • Both of those things you mentioned are issues. The LP certainly has organizational issues that I’m hoping are currently being worked through. And yes, I’m sure plenty of people don’t agree with me on various issues. However, I don’t think a lot of people see the fallacy in their arguments against any of these either. Our nation, in my opinion, should be one of protecting even the most minority’s rights where another person’s rights are not compromised. “The right to swing my fist ends at the other peron’s nose.” so to speak. Allowing someone to bet on a football game via an internet website does not necessarily infringe upon any other person’s rights. Just as my choice of religion should have absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what my neighbor is allowed to do within the privacy of his or her own home.

                      When the government has the ability to take away one right, it effectively has the ability to take away any right.

                    • GOPGeorgia says:

                      Parts of the LP philosophy sound nice until you get into practical applications. For example, if people want a road…..the LP answer would be to have them build it themselves. The LP party has the advantage of talking about theory without having to try to govern or provide services.

                    • So noted. However, I don’t think road privatization is the first thing on many libertarians’ minds. I realize there’s not a whole lot of people / companies lined up eager to build private roads. I get that. But let’s start with the easy stuff…

                      Gambling – how difficult would it be to at least make it legal for a private company to build a horse track here in Georgia and legalize betting on the races? It’s already legal in other states. Whether it succeeds or fails isn’t the government’s job… it’s making the opportunity available. Additionally, if I want to bet on a sports game or wager my own money on a poker game over the Internet, that’s nobody’s business but my own.

                      Sunday alcohol sales – this is a basic issue of individual and business rights. What business does the government have regulating what day of the week a business is allowed to sell a product to an individual consumer? Plenty of other states allow this. This should be a no brainer for Georgia.

                      Education – why should one person subsidize another person’s childrens’ education? If someone sends their child to private school or decides to home school their children or decides not to have children, they shouldn’t be charged for educational costs for other peoples’ children through property taxes. Someone sending their child to private school or homeschooling their child is paying for their child’s education twice. (Unless the child receives a scholarship to the private school or something along those lines.)

                      Those are just a few basic issues… need I go on?

                    • GOPGeorgia says:

                      Gambling, If you are OK with a horse track, let’s just build casino’s. Texas hold ’em tournaments, pump in the oxygen, and bring on the show girls..whoo hoo!

                      Sunday sales, I’m with you, but tell me why the state says a mortgage broker can’t make more than 3.5% on a loan? Realtors can make up to 7%. The government regulates a lot. It’s funny like that.

                      Education – Let me start out by saying this is not exactly my personal stance, but it is close and it’s a counter to your stance. An educated community is a draw for employers as a work force. Having a cashier at the corner store who can give you correct change is a benefit as well. It is in societies interest to educate the people who will run their government when they are elderly. I don’t agree with property taxes as a means to do that, but I see it as a legitimate function of state and local government.

                    • See, I’m okay with casinos, Texas Hold ‘Em and showgirls. After all, apparently the GOP has Texas Hold ‘Em tourneys north of Atlanta, why not open a place that you can go play it any time you want? Why should one man’s religion have anything to do with how I’m able to spend the money that I earn? I can go to Vegas, Mississippi or international waters and gamble just fine. Why not make it illegal for people to travel to gamble as well if they want to curb those behaviors? (Or maybe I shouldn’t suggest that, as some legislator somewhere might think that’s a good idea…)

                      I don’t think the government should be able to say how much a mortgage broker should be able to make on a transaction. However, I have this funny feeling that those rates have absolutely nothing to do with religion, whereas Sunday sales of alcohol are totally based on religion.

                      Education – I see the value in an educated society. And while I would have no problem donating to local schools for scholarships for children whose parents can’t afford tuition, I do have a problem with forced donations. So long as my money is forcibly taken from me through property taxes the only donations that education will receive from me is through lottery ticket purchases. (Something I expect no return on.. just play for the heck of it from time to time.)

  12. NorthGAGOP says:

    My last post was incorrect. Ox’s Very Favorable number was 12% in the last poll. Don’t want Jeff or True Grit accusing me of getting the facts wrong.

  13. Republican Lady says:

    Karen is consistently going up, like the tortoise and the hare with Karen being the tortoise and Ox being the hare. As I recall, the tortoise won!

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